The (Once) Horrid Defensive Line

May 1st, 2018

Video style!

Want to know why the Bucs drafted Vita Vea?

Well, Brian Baldinger has the evidence.

Any Bucs fan knows how horrible the defense was last year. Last in the NFL in too many categories to count.

Of course, a lot of folks point fingers to corners not named “Brent Grimes” for the defense getting roasted like marinated chicken on a backyard grill. It wasn’t just the secondary.

Baldinger, in the video below, shows a clip of the Bucs-Dixie Chicks game at Atlanta that might just make you Frisbee your bowl of Cheerios across the kitchen. The Bucs defensive line highlighted below gets totally blown off the line of scrimmage like it was a high school team.

It was so bad Atlanta left tackle Jake Matthews had a free path to Bucs safety weed-whacked T.J. Ward and Matthews completely manhandles Ward. In the words of Dick Vitale, “That’s an M&Mer, baby!”

After watching this clip, it’s no wonder Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht gutted the defensive line other than No. 93, and ran off defensive line coach Jay Hayes.

91 Responses to “The (Once) Horrid Defensive Line”

  1. MadMax Says:

    Yep! Big V, JPP, Curry, Allen….and right there with GMC! This will take some heat off of GMC because you cant double team everyone. And our O line gets better too practicing against this D.

    I had a vision of the middle of O lines getting blown up by Big V….now we’ll see.

  2. Buccaneer scotty Says:

    The whole line and secondary just got better! If you have to cover receivers for 7 Seconds all your corners and safeties are going to look stupid if you only have to cover up for a two and a half to three seconds you look a lot better just my opinion….

  3. Defense Rules Says:

    What an awesome clip Joe! Watched it about 10 times, keying on Kwon Alexander. He bit BIG TIME on the misdirection & literally took himself out of the play. Yes the DLine got manhandled on that play, but our MLB should’ve been waiting in that GAPING HOLE (would’ve forced Matthews to take him on instead of the Safety). Seen plays like that out of Kwon far too many times. Still in favor of moving Beckwith to the middle.

  4. Realbucfan941 Says:


    Agreed on Kwon, I like his energy but his hair on fire playing style takes him out of plays far too often. Fans love his attitude and occasional great plays like that Atlanta game a couple years ago but we need need more consistency and if duffner is really that good he should be helping with that.

  5. Tnew Says:

    This is why I have issues with the way gmc is either playing or being coached. He is single teamed here, crashes to the inside and the play is going directly where he vacated. Yes he penetrated, but it looks like he is allowed to do this. This also highlights the issues I have with Alexander, that should be his responsibility first I imagine. To me this represents a total defensive failure and it happened multiple times every game.

  6. Tnew Says:

    Beckwith plays this type of play way better

  7. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Re “Vita” lized defensive line…..with new coach should make a huge difference.

    Several new pieces for the defensive backfield….we will see.

  8. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    No matter what his damn assigment was on that play.
    Kwon, didn’t keep gap integrity.

    Game In, Game Out, its the same damn thing over and over again.

  9. Eric Says:

    Hopefully the “monsters of May” can do something in September.

  10. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    One thing about Vita is…

    Once the ball is snapped, he quickly diagnose the direction of the play. And flows toward the ball carrier. Always keeping his eyes in the backfield.

    This kid can hunt.

  11. Skywalker Says:

    See you can’t assume that Kwon ran himself out of the play. It matters what his assignment was when the line blocks down to the week side. To me it looks like his responsibly is to read the running back and react to the flow of the play. Mccoy read the play perfect and made the RB cut back to the strong side A gap. The freakin backside LB is playing hugging games with the TE! He is supposed to fill that gap or at least take on the tackle that made it all the way to the safety.

  12. Joeypoppems Says:

    Im still worried about the DE position. We have Curry, JPP, and then 2 guys who shouldnt be relied on in Spence and Gholston.

  13. Bucsfanman Says:

    I can’t see the clip but I don’t need to. It was horrible to watch live! Some will point to specific players or units. The whole defense was awful.
    I’m stoked about Vea because he’s not just a tree-trunk, he can move. Like LUV indicated he appears to manage to keep himself in plays. That’s good for LBs, freeing them to go get the ball-carrier. Um, so, about those missed tackles guys! Clean it up.

  14. The Buc Realist Says:

    But Joe!!!!!! Derwin James would have been 1 yard closer before he got pancaked and driven out of the play by the tackle Matthews!!!!!!! Some sheep and so called fan are mad that we did not take a safety at 7!!!!! The Buc Realist is Mad that we have some dummies for fans!!!!!!!!!!

    GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!

  15. The Buc Realist Says:

    And Joe, did you hear what he said at the end!!!!!! A player on the D-line that will make everyone better!!!!!!! The Bucs have not had that in how many years????????? 13 years??????? I wish someone would have told everyone this a while back!!!!!! Oh wait!!!!!!! Its another “Realist Repost”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The Buc Realist Says:
    January 20th, 2018 at 12:42 pm
    If the top DE does not fall,,,,,,

    Please free up the LB’s by selecting Mount Vea!!!!!!! trade down and/or pick up a “Man among boys” Vita Vea!!!!!!!! switch to a 3-4 for a point of difference in the division!!!!!!!!!

    GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!

  16. Doolnutts Says:

    Great clip!! Personally, I’m excited. If our DL can dominate it will change everything. I’m in giants country and those super bowl giants teams won because of their DL’S. JPP is probably looking around thinking he is taking a walk through memory lane. If Spence can stay healthy and we get a rotation going watch out!!!!! No one’s going to complain about DB play if the QB is regularly on his back.

  17. Bird Says:

    I said this before but for defensive end on some downs 3rd and long.

    If the bucs are playing a team with average to below average right tackle (which are more than a few teams), line up vea at left defensive end and left him maul his guy and collapse the left side of the line. Jail break.

    However. They should will be fine at defensive end. Jpp will play left defensive end and Spence on right defensive end on passing downs. Spence wearing his brace of course.

  18. feelthepewterpower Says:

    Man, if we have a rookie offensive and defensive player of the year, it means we are in the playoffs this season!!!!

  19. PanthersSuck! Says:

    That video clip is very telling.

  20. gotbbucs Says:

    @ Skywalker

    McCoy read the play perfectly? You have to be kidding. He never picked his head up and even attempted to read the play. He never got his hands on the guard and read the play, he went straight for the rip move and got ridden directly into the ground. He single handedly opened that hole up.
    The nose was taking on a double team, not very well, but he would have kept the play in front of him. Left end had outside leverage, all McCoy had to do was hold his gap and continue to force the play to the outside and all the help was there to make the play. Instead he thinks he’s a super star and above actually doing his job and it leaves everybody else hangging out to dry.

    Should Kwon have bailed that fast? No, but he knew where that play was supposed to be forced to and would have been right there to make the tackle for a loss.

  21. gotbbucs Says:

    Vea won’t fix that problem if McCoy continues to do that kind of sh!t. That should have been an easy play for him to make, but he never actually gets hands on and sheds blocks, he just barrels full speed ahead and hopes he ends up in the right place.

    I’ve watched this play enough times now to thoroughly piss myself off for the day, thanks Joe.

  22. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Realist

    You have tooted your horn enough on the Bucs draft pick of your choice….congrats, good job….please move on. You are not endearing yourself to the rest of us….I have started to become in more agreement with your posts but had to call you out on this one.

    Now….join me by calling out Joe on his “rather draft a punter” stance.

  23. Joe Says:


    “monsters of May”

    LOL Joe would like to steal that but doesn’t want to get sued. 🙂


    LOL on James.

  24. Clodhopper Says:

    Vita beat a double team and sacked the QB?

    If he can do that in the pros, it’ll make him the best damn Dlineman on the team!!

  25. 2Anglican1609 Says:

    Well Jason should not be surprised, after all he was the one making the call on FA’s and the through the draft that resembled the dumpster fire over the years

  26. The Buc Realist Says:


    You and I both know that will not happen!!!!!!!! In fact, many sheep and so-called fans are already asking who the Bucs will take next year, to see if The Buc Realist can make it three in a row!!!!!!!!!!!

    But I am not a man above compromise!!!!!!!!! I will join you in calling out Joe and his ignorant claims of “rather draft a punter”, ” coaches can’t develop” and my personal favorite, ” give up the deep ball play, because JW3 is inaccurate”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!

  27. Joe Says:


    Love the Bucco Bruce graphic.

  28. Defense Rules Says:

    @gotbbucs … “Should Kwon have bailed that fast? No, but he knew where that play was supposed to be forced to and would have been right there to make the tackle for a loss.” Seriously? Look at Kwon’s movement in the time period from 14-21 secs. He started out in perfect position then took HIMSELF out of the play (wasn’t blocked out of the play). And all that time, he had eyes on the RB.

  29. Horse Liver Says:

    Baldy makes me laugh. He is totally right but such a dumb jock persona.

  30. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    McCoy didnt read that play unless he was on a mike smith slant only for mccoy, he played that horribly as did Kwon, both guards block down, beckwith filled and took on FB, then either kown or ward should have been backside for the cutback, the only defense for kwon is it seemed like its a zone run that gives tevin coleman 3 reads and he did the best read due to the bucs backside sucking, the 1 tech for the bucs didnt do horrible nor did the playside end, the players that sucked were mccoy and kown and ward, starting with mccoy who should have realized he is getting blocked down but he just rode it like it was sheikra at busch gardens, not really all pro effort there

  31. Guzzie Says:

    Licht has drafted 1 DE, who is the size of a 3-4 OLB, in 5 drafts, always trying to use older free agents or UDFAs to fill these critical positions, he is solely responsible for the lack of talent this team has at DE, this year he’s dipping back into the 29+ DE pool, hoping it works out, he left no room for error, instead of using draft capital on the position he choose 3rd round guard, 5th round WR, 6th round injured LB, 2 of those picks should’ve been DE that need time to develop and can at worse be rotational, Licht really tries to be the smartest guy in the room, Isiah Oliver is a better corner than MJ Stewart, Vonn Bell would be a 3 year starter while Aguayo isn’t in the NFL, top 3 rounds are expected to be good players, what’s his hit rate after the 4th, Benenoch is the only guy a possible start, Bond and Steve T are camp meat, sure Dominick and Lovie put Licht behind the 8 ball, but he needs to start drafting DEs early or late

  32. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Guzzie 100% on your take

  33. Clodhopper Says:

    Thanks, Joe!! I wish i could take credit for it, but I cant. Like chocolate covered bacon, it’s a combo two of the best things in the nation right now. Winners like it. Dopey lightweights don’t.

  34. Guzzie Says:

    Licht has drafted more FULLBACKS than DEs or DTs before this year, Spence (248 pounds) and Steve T (7th rounder), and the same amount of kickers in 5 freaking drafts, no wonder our defense was the worst in the league, if that doesn’t scream get your head out your a$$

  35. AlteredEgo Says:

    This team is loaded with talent now….all you complainers simply can not see it…

  36. Lou. Says:


    Many years ago during the heyday of Mr. October Reggie Jackson, John MacKay called out a certain running back (Morton, IIRC) as “Mr. August.”

    You can steal that line from Bucs lore.

  37. Not there yet Says:

    This is why people say gmc sucks. Baldy of course couldn’t call out the actual player who thought it would be ok to rush clear across the field and end up getting pancaked. After all these years he still has no concept of rushing Lanes.

    If the bucs want to be better McCoy has no business doing anything but pass rushing, he’s useless on run downs and it’s scary because I’m sure he’ll want to take Vea under his wing.

  38. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Loaded with paper talent. Hear the same thing every year, since Lovie first year aand the bucs were gonna be the towers or whatever, that worked out well, until the bucs win, they will be cleveland south….

  39. Defense Rules Says:

    @Dusthty … “mccoy who should have realized he is getting blocked down but he just rode it like it was sheikra at busch gardens.” Best visual of the morning Dusthty … Kudos.

  40. Joe Says:

    I will join you in calling out Joe and his ignorant claims of “rather draft a punter”, ” coaches can’t develop” and my personal favorite, ” give up the deep ball play, because JW3 is inaccurate”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    1. If one is convinced a rookie who plays a specific position will be ruined by rotten coaching — which Joe based has based this premise on a couple of ugly things called “facts” and “results” — than why in God’s name would you wad up a No. 7 overall pick and throw it in the trash to go back to that same doomed well? That’s like buying a house at market value that has been burned to the ground. Exactly what evidence do you have that the current Bucs coaches can and/or have developed rookie corners? Please, in great detail, explain how Javian Elliott, Ryan Smith and Vernon Hargreaves have improved — which is the core value of a coach, improve your players or put them in position to succeed. Unless you are so stoned that you think the Jags are the Bucs and you were watching Jacksonville by accident all last season, this simply has not happened. Now! No words — just facts, video and evidence. Go ahead, explain how Joe is wrong about this. Spell it out, Bud Grant. Where have those three improved? If you are trying to suggest those three were hosed by the NFL in not getting on a Pro Bowl roster, PLEASE give Joe the number of the person who supplies you with narcotics. This is a fantasy land Joe wants to visit.

    “give up the deep ball play, because JW3 is inaccurate”!”

    2. YAY!!! Dirk Koetter should call more plays that don’t work. Yeah, that’s the answer to fix the offense and make the playoffs, constantly call plays that don’t work! This is like saying, “I don’t care that Doug Martin had the worst yards-per-carry in consecutive years since 1940 — let’s give him the ball MORE!” What next, the Bucs should re-sign Michael Clayton and target him no less than 20 times a game? “So what that he can’t catch, he needs to be thrown the ball MORE!”

    Dude, angel dust was a 70s thing.

  41. gotbbucs Says:

    @ Defense Rules

    I agree, Kwon bailed way too fast and it was a terrible read on his part. He also had the “best” Pro-Bowl 3-tech in the game playing right in front of him so I’m sure in his mind he thought he could get away with it. Kwon isn’t a great MLB, he’s too undisciplined, but he’s a play maker on a team that doesn’t have many, and that mindset will lead to some of this stuff.
    The problem with this defense is there are a few guys doing their assignments, a few guys that aren’t good enough to be on the field, and a few guys that freelance and leave others out to dry because they want to overcompensate.

  42. Joe Says:


    LOL Gotta give credit where credit is due.

  43. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    MadMax Says
    “Yep! Big V, JPP, Curry, Allen….and right there with GMC! This will take some heat off of GMC because you cant double team everyone.”

    Yep. This if finally going to be good. Poor McCoy has been practically working alone out there his entire career. Now? He has a chance of getting 10+ sacks this year, for the first time.

    Teams have no choice but to fear this line now…

  44. Defense Rules Says:

    @AlteredEgo … “This team is loaded with talent now.” Agree 100%, but at this point it’s simply P-O-T-E-N-T-I-A-L. You & I both know that in May every NFL team has great potential. Molding that talent into a T-E-A-M between now & September is what it’s all about. Far as I’m concerned, Bucs still have multiple starting holes at this point. It’s gonna be fun to see who puts on their big-boy pants, steps up & claims a starting role. Gut feel is that there’ll be more than one ‘surprises’ in there by the start of the season.

  45. Trench War Says:

    So, did anyone notice in the Vea clips that their secondary didn’t get picked on? This is why solidifying our D-line is important. Josh Rosen never had a chance to survey the field, and pick on Washington’s secondary. I’m stoke we got the big man to play alongside GMAC93

  46. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Joeypoppems Says
    “Im still worried about the DE position. We have Curry, JPP, and then 2 guys who shouldnt be relied on in Spence and Gholston.”

    It will happen. Jason Licht did a heck of a lot this off season, if you think about it. I agree, we still need a stud DE at Curry’s position, but Curry isn’t that bad.

    Maybe they will try converting a big LB as a project.

  47. Defense Rules Says:

    @gotbbucs … You nailed it!

  48. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Trench War Says
    “So, did anyone notice in the Vea clips that their secondary didn’t get picked on? This is why solidifying our D-line is important.”

    Which is why I think VHIII has a strong chance of a comeback.

  49. passthebuc Says:

    for all the Nay Sayers, It was always the trenches. They line surge will be better, it will make the back end better.
    The D will finish in the top 15.

  50. Mike Johnson Says:

    Soence and Gloulson gotta step it way up. Spence has really ben a disappointment. Why he’s still here is a mystery. But then again DC Smith is still here so…You better hope JPP stays healthy. Thats why I said we should have went after another DE. Curry plays Spots. Bucs may think they are thick at DE But they are..WRONG!!

  51. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    I grow weary of unimaginative posters claiming Vita is only good for a 3-4 defense…or that he’s a pure NT like Ngota…they’ve already typecast Vea.

    He has more athleticism than Ngota! Go back and play the video and listen to all the different DL positions Vita is capable of playing according to Baldinger.

    I’ve read this on draft sites as well. Vita can certainly play NT and collapse pockets but he has more skill sets if Smitty wishes to use them and line him up in different spots.

  52. Trench War Says:


    You nailed it. I totally agree and because of Vea’s versatility Smith will be able to move him around and produce the matchups against their weakness. Good comment.

    …and thanks Bonsai for the shout out!

  53. The Buc Realist Says:


    I want to see Mount Vea as a goal line back at times!!!!!!! When you want to be a Badazz, then you need to line up inside the 2 and push everyone out of the way at the goal line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  54. Trench War Says:

    The Buc Realist

    That would be a thing of beauty!

  55. Joeypoppems Says:

    Vea as a goal line back isnt a good idea. Vea as a FB blocking for whoever the RB is I can see happening. Like how the Bengals used Domata Peko.

  56. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    I dont know as not using him as a goaline back, the guy was like christian okoye in high school go watch some of those tapes, helloked like okoye or hershal destroying chumps as a tailback

  57. The Buc Realist Says:


    It is a good idea!!!!! Go watch his high school tape when he was a RB!!!!!!!!!!! And stop posting uninformed posts!!!!!!!!

    GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!

  58. Reality_43 Says:

    I think he should at least be used on the line in goal line situations. Fake to the fullback and pitch it to Jones for an easy outside score, or just follow him in.

    With RoJo’s speed it will certainly help the closer we get to the goal line to stretch the field.

    Also with your earlier comment on a 3-4 defense, I actually give Smitty a pass last year. We are all real good at blaming him for this horrid defense, but I think his plan was to run a 3-4 defense last year at least partially, but injuries forced a plan B. Getting “Swaggy” was for that purpose I believe and he didn’t work out in a 4-3. We also drafted Beckwith who came from a 3-4 defense.

    Now insert Vita Vea and I am 95% positive we will at least incorporate a switch to 3-4 on the fly. He is the prototypical Nose Tackle in a 3-4.

    Imagine Drew Bree’s surprise to come out of the huddle at see that!!!

  59. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Drew Brees is not coming up to the line and calling a timeout against the bucs because he is confused, the bucs could run the 8-3 radar defense and drew brees isnt pausing….if you watch bucs games past few years they do run some 3-4,4-1, etc defenses, I just have not seen the exotic blitzes that accompany these defenses and I am guessing it is because the back end has been terrible

  60. grafikdetail Says:

    reserve the judgement! none of us know what the defensive calls or players’ assignment on the play was… looks like the Bucs got outcoached — as usual — slanting/stunting linemen away from or out of the play & Atlanta called a perfectly timed play… until these coaches improve it doesn’t matter if Licht drafts & signs 22 pro bowlers this team will struggle to finish 8-8 year after year

  61. Trench War Says:


    ….boy, aren’t you a bundle of enthusiasm? …there’s nothing like a good “prick” to pop our balloon.

  62. Bucsfanman Says:

    @Joe- Standing ovation for that reply! Realist seems to think that coaching was not the issue and only injuries and talent kept us from winning football games. Yet, during another coach’s tenure, it was ALL coaching.
    This team failed as a TEAM. That TEAM includes the coaches. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. A few things come to mind:
    Insistence on DM up the middle.
    Deep ball to DJax
    Screen to Hump
    Screen to Sims
    7 step drops
    ZERO creativity
    Don’t even get me started on defense!
    And this is a result of injuries? Talent? No sir. That’s only PART of the problem. The rest sits squarely on coaching.
    I digress!

  63. Joe Says:


    Joe is a big coaches guy — that’s both good and bad. Joe was once a product of excellent coaching and learned first-hand what a good coach can do for a player, a unit a team. Joe has seen enough bad coaching to know how bad coaching can drag down a team no matter how talented the team is.

    If a coach is doing his job, a player should at least remain status-quo. Elliott, Smith and Hargreaves got worse, in Hargreaves’ case, significantly worse. That’s on coaching — unless one wants to suggest Hargreaves has some major off-the-field issue.

    Once (Elliott) is a mistake. Twice (Smith) is a pattern. Three times (Hargreaves)? That’s a major problem.

  64. BringBucsBack Says:

    NotThereYet & GotBucs!!!
    In addition to Gerald running himself out of the play (as he often does) prior to being pancaked, did anyone notice him reaching to tackle the lead blocker who does not have the ball? This shows how truly unaware and lost he was on the play! He Would have been more effective on this, and many run plays, had he just stayed in his 3point stance!

    Blocked by only one man, Gerald is the first player to hit the ground on the entire field !?!?

    Matthews ran down the field to block Kwon, who ran away from him, then Jake turns to Ward. our two stars McCoy and Kwon absolutely sucked on that play!

    However, how do coaches not recognize players habitually running themselves out of plays, like the rest of us with eyes can? I, like many others, am fearful of this coaching staff and in their inabilities.

  65. Dubcity06 Says:

    Wow the LBs on that play were terrible. But the DL also got completely man handled

  66. Drulin Says:

    Should keep our all pro linebackers clean to make plays in the backfield!

  67. feelthepewterpower Says:

    Defense Rules Says:
    May 1st, 2018 at 5:51 am
    What an awesome clip Joe! Watched it about 10 times, keying on Kwon Alexander. He bit BIG TIME on the misdirection & literally took himself out of the play. Yes the DLine got manhandled on that play, but our MLB should’ve been waiting in that GAPING HOLE (would’ve forced Matthews to take him on instead of the Safety). Seen plays like that out of Kwon far too many times. Still in favor of moving Beckwith to the middle.
    He wasn’t necessarily out of the play because he “overpursued” he was out of position because the dlineman infront of him got absolutely manhandled in front of him……essentially affecting his vision and appearing to have overpersued.

  68. feelthepewterpower Says:

    The Camera angle doesnt do Kwon justice to just how close the olineman was in blocking his vision. He is also keying on where the fullback, and olineman are setting up their blocks. Sometimes the rb makes a great jump cut like that to gain additional yardarge. It happens, and youll have people out of position. What shouldnt happen? Dlineman getting manhandled off the ball like that. That spit ends this season!!!!

  69. 813bucboi Says:

    licht has done his good this offseason!!!!!….pressures on the coaches now!!!!!….we have depth….we have talent……shouldn’t take 9games to figure it out, if you practice the way you play in TC…..


  70. Tony D Says:

    Couldn’t agree more, everything starts up front.

  71. feelthepewterpower Says:

    Regarding McCoy…you have to remember this video is being run in slow motion. Think how fast Coleman is and then to make a jump cut on a dime like that. The play is initially set-up to the Falcons right….our left side of the dline absolutely gets stonewalled. No push, penetration…zip. McCoy is doing his best to disrupt the play but gets taken out of it. He had to make a split second decision to either crash the line or try and take on double team and hold his position. He probably felt he had better leverage by avoiding the double and trying to cause the play to get bottled up to his left. If the dlieman on McCoys outside get any push at all, McCoy getting knocked down has far less bearing on that play as help would arrive to clean the pile up.

  72. feelthepewterpower Says:

    And coleman likely doesnt have the vision to make that jump cut if the lineman next to McCoy dont get stonewalled a the point of attack….

  73. Joeypoppems Says:


    Thinking it is a good idea to give him handoffs because he was more athletic than a bunch of teenagers is uninformed.

    Let the RBs run the ball.

  74. Jimmy Says:

    Kendell Beckwith got taken out way, way, way too easy by Derrick Coleman.

  75. The Buc Realist Says:


    Yes, that is what Tampabaybuc fan and other as well as I am saying!!!!!! Your Premature panic this season is out of hand with your wacky theories!!!!!!!! I noticed that you did not bring up these crack pot theories to NFL types as they would have shut you down like gmc of d. ward on a running play!!!!!!! Or worse you would have gotten the donald penn wife treatment (allegedly)!!!!!!!!!!

    Maybe review the posting after midnight!!!!!!!! Because those “tea leaves” you keep talking about sound like they are from
    Colorado!!!!!!!!!! We are just trying to keep the horse on the trail!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  76. Issic Haggins Says:

    Kwon rookie year Great !!!
    Last two more guessing !! Listen that’s Kwon and McCoy in a nut shell right there !!! Kwon is becoming too much of a guesser and it’s not peeps on this site ,its right there from an ex NFL O Lineman. Trust Me Baldy wanted to phrase it differently and include Mike Smith but he has a job to keep.This play starts at the top and without a Hardy Nickerson it ends up on the field. Trust me He is in total disbelief watching the play and this isn’t all on talent it’s Coaching, discipline and heart !! A lil more talent only solves one of the four problems !! That play was more the Norm than the exception last year and a lil more talent will help but that’s only 25 percent of the problem that’s why you havethe new faces!! However there are still a few here that perhaps are big ingredients of the infection that, that play represents . It Starts At the Top !!! It is repeating itself over and over !!! ( kinda like a corporation protecting the infection at the top by replacing employees ) Licht you are waking up and really doing a Great job since you got your ass spanked in the Quinn deal but you need to keep at it and perhaps address the other problems !!! Jason your not a scout , your the GM , now do your job and let Koetter go pout and whine , he and the team will be better off !!! Baldy knows it, you know it, the fans know it ,history shows it and It’s YOUR JOB !!!

    How can you watch that type of play over and over and keep Smith as your D Coord. The Bucs played Atlanta two times a year and it was a joke to watch that team play at times , he’s a great knowledge and x and o’s guy but his teams are soft,bad tackling, undisciplined and underperforming . How much of a resume do the Glazers and Licht Need !!! Koetter isn’t going to do it !!! Let Smitty be asst head coach but get him away from the players !!! Watch the Tape it doesn’t lie !!! It’s also embarrassing !! Joe ask Dungy and some ex players to comment on that play which is repeated over and over on Sun .

  77. tnew Says:

    Here is the thing and this is why I believe GMC was coached to do this. If you want to go back and watch coach’s tape, you will see this play multiple times, every game. This is absolute common place when watching game film. The huge hole that is created by scheme. GMC is not being dominated here, he is collapsing that side of the line. The guard is happy to help him out but really has an easy job of it.

    This wasn’t a great cut (frankly he really should’ve scored) by the running back, this was a play designed be be used against our defensive line scheme. Go back and look at all of the back side holes that this particular scheme yields. I fully believe that Kwon was supposed to fill that hole (based on the safety play, LVD’s presnap adjust and Beckwith’s motion at snap),however; he still meets Matthews and it is still a very big gain. I went back and looked at the all-22 for this, not just the close clip of the line play. Many things, Devonte Bond was forced to play too many snaps at DE in this game. He gets beat by the TE, but you might give a pass thinking he has outside contain, except LVD dropped in and looked to be doing the exact same thing, and since the receiver came in to block, that left Ryan Smith for outside contain.

    For me this was a good play for the Falcons, bad scheme from the Bucs and a DE and LB were both negated by a TE and a WR (5’10” 192 pound Justin Hardy took LVD out of the play)

    Joe, I know, likes to pound regarding the travesty regarding the talent that the Bucs surrounded GMC with. It is equally appalling how easily the scheme takes him out of the play. I was pounding the keyboard about this last season. When this line tactic is used, he makes a great play one out of 5 times but the other 4 plays suck. When he engages first, then beats his man, GMC is very, very good. He just rarely does this. I think OC’s are truthful when they say they key on GMC, but they are exploiting his desire to penetrate.

    Vea should help this immensely. He will beat most all 1v1’s. He is just next level strong. Not just “strong for a college athlete” and this will translate. The Bucs won’t have to wait on his technique for him to be effective. All of the “experts” are calling him a 2 down back, but I think they have the wrong two downs. Beau Allen can be that guy. Vea can come in on passing downs and just collapse the pocket. He will force doubles because otherwise he will push the LOS back at the snap (esp. if Buckner can help is get off a tick). This should allow GMC to do his thing and be more creative without having to worry about scheme to create his own 1v1’s.

    The guy that this will help the most is Spence. He can now be very situational. Trying to make him play as an every down 4-3 base end, coming off of surgery was reckless. Late in games, coming off the edge with a true up the middle push. He will be a handful. Having a full rehab process (instead of it being rushed like last season) will help him be healthy. Part of me hope he starts the season in the harness. Yes he will have limited mobility, but he won’t lack the strength that having the injury causes.

    Buckner is set up to be the hero, but when I watch plays like this I wonder what the coaches and players were thinking. I am very hopeful this will be a fun season to watch from the Buccaneers. I know I’m one of the few, but even with my quibbles regarding certain picks, this was one of the best offseasons I can quickly recall. My only major concern is offensive tackle depth and has the DC lost touch with the game. (and I’m a big Mike Smith guy)

  78. tnew Says:

    That was never Beckwith’s play to make. He filled his gap and if the play was to go there the play would’ve been made either by him or Baker. You want to see a player easily handled watch what the 5’10” 192 pound, #14 WR does to LVD. I really wish they would have shown the all 22.

    Isaac you are 100% correct. Kwon’s desire to make a play caused him to follow the full back, Beckwith’s responsibility, one linebacker must be responsible for the backside hole. (once again, still would’ve been a big gain as Matthews should negate Kwon) Kwon has to realize this is his responsibility once LVD makes a presnap adjustment to step up to the line.

  79. donuts Says:

    The addition of Vea will help Kwon tighten his play up in 2018 because he wont have to guess if Vea will be beat and put on the ground in the first second of each play.

    From my viewpoint on the clip , I see Kwon simply trying to do too much (fill 2 gaps) and getting out of position. Football is situational and I am not sure what happened on the 3-4 plays prior to this clip but you can say that at times players naturally or instinctively over play the game to hide other weak areas. I’m not making excuses for Kwon but this clip is a reflection of what went on in 2017 defensively as a team. To put it another way, the LB have to trust the DL will win some battles each play and when they dont on a consistent basis the LB tend to over-react.

    If Ayers#90 is wondering why he is not in the league, look no further than the first clip.

  80. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Feelthepower, no disrespect or anything but that is a basic inside one play, where the falcons back has 3 choices to make and he chose the last option and did it well and kwon and GMC know the falcons run that zone play as well as every other team including teh bucs, and kwon unless he is blitzing is taught to slow play that and be ready for the cut back as well as TJ did NOTHING, GMC is not supposed to get blown up like that unless he has a coach approved he can try and beat his man every play, but that ruins the entire concept of the one gap for the players

  81. voiceofreason Says:


  82. Kobe Faker Says:

    LOL! Look at our middle linebacker

    Kwonie the Matadour

  83. RickinFt.Myers Says:

    That “Big Splash” take down of Josh Rosen reminds me of pro wrestler Haystacks Calhoun’s signature move. I wonder how many “Big Splashes” Drew Brees, Matt Ryan or even Cam Newton can stand up to before they start blinking?

  84. Owlykat Says:

    With the right players Smitty had a tough defense at Jacksonville. And Koetter with the right players made the four deep offense work just fine in Atlanta, but both Smitty and Koetter here before this year were all getting short changed by a GM under the delusion that taking the Best Player Available without any concern to needs was the way to build a winner, but remember Licht was a novice GM when he joined the Bucs. He will see this year that building the trenches first and taking the best players on his board that we need to fill holes is the key to winning. We won’t win the Super Bowl with one draft, because he will need next year to move up and draft a Super LT and convert D. Smith to a LG before we have a shot at the top and possibly sign a top Free Agent DB too, before we have a shot at the top but he at last is on the right track now!!!

  85. Owlykat Says:

    I also think that FSU, Gators, and Miami will soon all three be getting and training top players that will produce plenty of future stars for future Licht’s drafts and they will love to play for the Bucs and other Florida Pro Football Teams.

  86. gotbbucs Says:

    I cannot believe some of you still actually think that was a job done well be McCoy.
    Unreal. I’m not trying to pile on the dude, but c’mon. He’s supposedly a Pro-Bowl player and he starts in an outside shade and ends up getting driven to the ground inside. If he does it right he plays half a man, shoves that guard in the hole, and either makes an easy tackle or forces the play outside where help can come. Instead, he slants hard when there is obviously not a linebacker or safety coming to fill the hole he vacated and leaves an absolute massive hole

  87. gotbbucs Says:

    I cannot believe some of you still actually think that was a job done well be McCoy.
    Unreal. I’m not trying to pile on the dude, but c’mon. He’s supposedly a Pro-Bowl player and he starts in an outside shade and ends up getting driven to the ground inside. If he does it right he plays half a man, shoves that guard in the hole, and either makes an easy tackle or forces the play outside where help can come. Instead, he slants hard when there is obviously not a linebacker or safety coming to fill the hole he vacated and leaves an absolute massive hole.

    If for some ridiculous reason this was actually coached, then Lord help us all.

  88. Travis Says:

    GMC has the back side b gap. He slants To the A gets washed the back reads it and cuts back. Not sure if that was the call or not but the full back leading on iso is what pulls Kwon that way. It’s either Gerald’s back side b another defensive lineman was suppose to slant too or the LB or safety walked up.

  89. Travis Says:

    And Kwon needs to stay in tempo with the back and not overrun it.

  90. Jamonte Manley Says:

    I don’t know much but I wanna submit my draft picks that I think could’ve made us even better then the draft class we got. (Note: all picks were still on the board when we were selecting)….

    Round 1- Derwin James: probably THE best defensive player in the draft

    Round 2 (1st selection) Ronald Jones II: play making RB we need
    (2nd selection) Isaiah Olver: top 3/4 DB in this draft that some had projected in the 1st round
    (3rd selection) Carlton Davis: solid pick, really liked him in Auburn
    Round 3- Alex Cappa: great fit and we needed a mualer at the other guard POS.
    Round 4- Josh Sweat: a great college player and great upside. He can learn under JPP for a year or what not and we have a future star
    Round 5 (trade up to the 1st pick in the 5th)- Maurice Hurst: actually rated higher then Vita Vea in run defense, had more tackles, TFL and sacks then Vea. And we still get our best in the middle, these selections solidify our secondary, D line, O line and RB positions with the best players at their respectable positions…. That’s just my thoughts, what y’all think?

  91. Issic Haggins Says:

    Dust , t new and got Bucs say the tape don’t LIE !!!

    Well fellas it doesn’t and this was more the norm and the players are 100 percent performing this on the coaches watch . This isn’t a TALENT problem !!
    New Talent helps but it may catch the def flu that this staff allows and quite simply promotes very soon . Wake Up Licht and Wake Up Glazers , I’m not buying this was Jay Hayes Fault !!