Bucs Personnel Moves Have Worn Down McCoy

December 17th, 2017

A former Buccaneer delivers a powerful take

As Pro Bowl defensive tackle Gerald McCoy nurses a significant biceps injury, it’s timely to consider the long list of his small and big injuries since he was drafted in 2010.

A prominent former Buccaneer was thinking about that, too.

Joe’s talking about Chris Hovan, starting defensive tackle on the last two Buccaneers playoff teams — back when the Tampa Bay defense truly was elite. No. 1-ranked was the defense in 2005, and No. 2 in 2007. (Damn, that feels like ancient freakin’ history.)

Hovan lives in Tampa and has coached defensive line for the Tampa Bay Storm and the University of South Florida.

He joined host Rock Riley on 1040 AM last week and said he has the utmost respect for McCoy because of how he plays the game on the field. The fight is there consistently, Hovan says, and that fight might be leading to injuries.

Hovan said the Bucs have given McCoy very little talent to work with on the D-line over the years. As a result, he said, the relentless double teams and the occasional triple-team have taken their toll on the body of McCoy, who gives everything he has to fight through them.

Essentially, Hovan was saying the Bucs’ personnel decisions have not only cut the effectiveness of one of their stars, they’ve had a long-term effect.

Intriguing take. It makes sense when you look at it with a big-picture view.

Unknown boneheads at One Buc Palace allowed Michael Bennettto  walk as a free agent after the 2012 season, and it’s been a sea of subpar talent around McCoy during the five seasons since. The resulting extra wear piles up. It has to.

Hovan added that it’s unfair to compare Warren Sapp and McCoy because Sapp had so much more talent around him.

McCoy, who turns 30 in February, is out for Monday’ night’s game. He could use the break.

68 Responses to “Bucs Personnel Moves Have Worn Down McCoy”

  1. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    And here comes the name calling and attacks on McCoy…..

  2. Lakeland Says:

    Gerald McCoy
    6:54 PM -May 7, 2014

    Hahaha all the speculation on draft is funny. I GUARANTEE this….. I WILL NOT. I repeat WILL NOT move to nose, regardless of who we draft!!

  3. AlteredEgo Says:

    Hovan is stirring up trouble….

  4. DB55 Says:

    relentless double teams and the occasional triple-team have taken their toll on the body of McCoy, who gives everything he has to fight through them
    *cough cough BS *cough cough

    He could use a break..
    you misspelled We.

  5. Buc believer Says:

    I can give you 100 million reasons I doubt feel sorry for the money grabber.

  6. Dewey Selmon Says:

    Just announced Marvin Lewis will not be back with Cinny next year. There is your next DC Gerald. Dirk gets another year as a lame duck coach so the Glazers can wait for the NFL to decide what is up with Winston. No one wants to HC here until the is sorted out.

  7. AlteredEgo Says:

    At least Gruber kept his mouth shut …..too bad he broke his leg and missed the rewards….oh the irony….he could have been on the Raiders when the Bucs beat them is the SB….sort that out newbie’s

  8. Bird Says:

    Pretty sure gruden will want McCoy on team. He ain’t going anywhere unless his body gets broke down.

  9. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    It really has not been fair to McCoy. When he was drafted, the idea was to build around him. But, of course, Mark Dominick couldn’t draft worth spit.

    Then came Licht, who got a franchise QB, and you HAVE to build around a franchise QB as quickly as possible, so the best picks went to offense. Things are turning toward defense now in the draft, but really, it is too late to do McCoy much good.

    The right thing to do FOR McCOY is to trade him to a team that can get him a ring. He’s paid his dues.

    Can you imagine if the dline had been built around him properly from the start? He’d be a 14 sack guy several times over.

  10. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    If we can manage a spare 1st round pick for McCoy, and maybe a 4th or 3rd, then the Bucs should jump on it.

  11. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Bird Says
    “Pretty sure gruden will want McCoy on team. He ain’t going anywhere unless his body gets broke down.”

    Gruden is not going to coach the Bucs ever again. Heck, he won’t even coach an NFL next year.

    Every year he manages to get his name talked about. He does it on purpose because he can use it as leverage to get more money. Yet, he never follows through on any team offers.

  12. AlteredEgo Says:

    Bonzai…3 good posts….

  13. Mike Johnson Says:

    Hovan’s comments are..Spot On!!

  14. JimmyJack Says:

    If they were willing to trade McCoy I doubt he has first round value. I think if they moved him for a decent young CB itd be good.

  15. Hodad Says:

    Let’s do McCoy and the rest of us a favor and trade or release him. he’s no longer part of Tampa’s future, and hasn’t helped us become a winner since he’s been here. I’m tired of this argument he’s never had help, or he’s just not good enough. We can lose with, or without him, or maybe win. Hovan is only right about one thing, McCoy is no Sapp.

  16. tmaxcon Says:


    There is NO gm going to give anything up higher than a 6th round pick for a fragile dt close to 30 that is currently injured and has a long history of injuries and losing… You are a smart man you know i am 100% right sir. find me 1 player in the last 10 years close to 30 that a team has given up a 1st round pick for especially one with a long injury history.


  17. tmaxcon Says:

    hovan is just making more excuses for the face of the basement years. addition by subtraction his quick first step does not offset his mentally weak approach and flat performances. hopefully that clown has played his last down in tampa.

  18. SOEbuc Says:

    @Dewey Selmon

    Gruden and Lewis could be a very nice one-two punch.

  19. ATrain Says:

    Why Gruden?

    He hasn’t coached in 10 years

    How about a young hungry coach who is proving them selfs as an OC or DC

  20. AlteredEgo Says:

    Why Gruden ?….he has NOT lost a game since he left the Bucs !

  21. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    @Dewey Selmon

    Your point about other coaches withholding interest in Tampa until Jameis is totally sorted out is spot on.

    We are fans and so many of us love #3….his stock around the rest of the league seems to have taken a hit this year. Now with the Arizona/Uber story in the background…coaches and GM’s around the league will be wary of tying their star to #3’s fortunes.

  22. Bob in Valrico Says:

    McCoy might as well be playing nose tackle. 40 Tackles,12 tackles for a loss.
    No d lineman on the bucs has anything like that . Chris Baker ,not even listed.
    Hoban’s right IMO.

  23. ElioT Says:

    And McCoy has never held anyone accountable or made other players around him better.


    Go Sucs!

    Here comes that ATL 50-Burger!

  24. JimmyJack Says:

    Well Atrain we did just hire an OC who was proving himself and he took a #5 offense and turned into trash. He wanted Doug and my guess is he wanted DJax……We gave him too many pieces to get his offense going for the lack of results.

    I’d rather see somebody with experience here that knows what their doing.

    I still think we have a talented young core. Can’t risk flushing it down the toilet with another rookie HC making poor decisions.

  25. tmaxcon Says:


    i guarantee the Glazers failed past coupled with a decade plus of bad decisions weighs far more on potential coaches minds than a 23 year old talented QB with a HUGE Ceiling. That was caught up in a BS off field issue that says more how pathetic society is than jameis. but he put himself in this position to be accused with past poor choices. The bigger issue in Tampa is the bucs organization that lacks leadership from top to bottom that will scare potential coaches far more than jameis.

  26. AlteredEgo Says:

    StPete….precisely ….Jameis’s fate is in his hands….no pun… 🙂

  27. Bob in Valrico Says:

    in the tackles for a loss category above.

  28. JimmyJack Says:

    THATS Ok ElioT. Let Atlanta score 50. We have been building an offense for 4 seasons. We can handle a shootout.

    That shouldn’t be sarcasm either, it actually was the design.

  29. Bye Felicia Says:

    Anyone ever hear of the Patrick Ewing effect? Basically addition by subtraction. I think we would be just fine without him.

  30. Defense Rules Says:

    Chris Hovan is spot on … Bucs have provided GMC with little help on the DLine, and that’s taken a toll. Closest they’ve come is McDonald, when he’s not hurt. Ayers & Gholston are adequate, but neither is setting the world on fire in terms of sacks & QB pressure. Beyond that … Nada.

    Trading GMC might bring a 5th, 6th or 7th round pick, but doubt it’d be any higher. He’s going on 31 & has been pretty well beaten up. Bucs need to keep GMC for another couple years & draft someone to take his place this year PLUS bring McDonald back, and also see if Stevie T has anything in the tank (strikes me as being a Siliga clone at this point). Personally don’t expect Robert Ayers to be back next year (age?), which would leave us with Gholston, Spence (if he heals up properly this time) and probably Russell. Beyond that we’d better come up with TWO DEs in the draft and/or FA and/or via trades.

  31. Debbie does Tampa Says:

    We need Josh McDaniels.

  32. DB55 Says:


    I think you’ve mentioned Uber in every post in the last two weeks. Are you that concerned? What if and humor me now but what if your favorite son Darby and Winston are telling the truth? Ijs what if?

  33. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    November 10th, 2015 at 8:05 am

    When he’s healthy – McCoy’s one of the Best Interior Lineman in the game.
    You can’t constantly defend; what this kid brings to the table.
    All he needs a quality edge rusher or two – then WATCHOUT

    “Historically: The Best Interior Defensive Lineman – had equal or greater counterparts on the outside”

    *Case In Point

    DT – Alan Page
    • Carl Eller
    • Jim Marshall

    DT – Merlin Olsen
    • Deacon Jones
    • Lamar Lundy

    DT – Joe Greene
    • L.C. Greenwood
    • Dwight White

    DT- Randy White
    • Too Tall Jones
    • Harvey Martin

    DT- Dave Butz
    • Charles Mann
    • Dexter Manley

    DT – Steve McMichael
    • Richard Dent
    • Dan Hampton

    DT – Jerome Brown
    • Reggie White
    • Clyde Simmons

    DT’s – Keith Millard | Henry Thomas | John Randle
    • Chris Doleman
    • Al Noga
    • Roy Barker

    DT’s – Bill Maas | Dan Saleaumua
    • Neil Smith
    • Derrick Thomas

    DT’s – Bryant Young | Dana Stubblefield
    • Chris Doleman
    • Rickey Jackson
    • Roy Barker

    DT’s – Eric Swann
    • Clyde Simmons
    • Simeon Rice

    DT’s – Cortez Kennedy | Sam Adams
    • Michael McCrary
    • Michael Sinclair

    DT’s – Tony Siragusa | Sam Adams
    • Michael McCrary
    • Rob Burnett
    • Peter Boulware

    DT’s – D’Marco Farr | Ray Agnew
    • Kevin Carter
    • Grant Wistrom

    Warren Sapp | Culpepper | Anthony McFarland
    • Chidi Ahanotu
    • Marcus Jones
    • Simeon Rice

    DT’s – Kevin Williams | Pat Williams
    • Jared Allen
    • Ray Edwards

    DT’s – Geno Atkins & Domata Peko
    • Carlos Dunlap
    • Michael Johnson

    El Certa

    What about Sapp’s 1999 Season??
    True: Warren Sapp & Brad Culpepper and defensive tackles accounted for 19.5 sacks from the interior in 1999. While Defensive Ends – Marcus Jones, Chidi Ahanotu & Steve White only accounted for 14.5 on the outside.

    1999 was an amazing year for Sapp. And even though there’s been a few scattered similarities, like this in leagues history – its not the norm.

    Year In – Year Out…
    NO ONE has ever been able to get consistent pressure from the interior.
    Without major assistance from the outside rush

  34. AlteredEgo Says:

    nice work ! and you didn’t even have to mock another poster

  35. tmaxcon Says:


    the numbers look good on paper just like this years buc team looked good on paper. Numbers don’t account for quitting on coaches, coming out flat, celebrating losses and general soft play. Not to mention not making other around you better. Pay him like a good DT and I have no issues pay him like the face of the franchise and give him a C and I have a problem. Results are all that matter.

    The only numbers that matter in mccoy’s career is the fact he has never won a single meaningful game as a buccaneer and he has been a captain for more blowouts than any other captain in team history. I never questioned whether he was a good player or not but there is no question he is no leader and not a driven winner.

  36. Bernie K Says:

    McCoy plays hard and has had no help, his body is probably shot at this point, dude gonna pay the price when he is older, feel bad for the guy.

  37. Gobucs Says:

    People like to talk trash about McCoy who is a 5 time pro bowler and say he doesn’t affect games but then defend Winston who hasn’t done anything and mostly has negative impacts on the game lol.

    If he were a gator these defenders would be killing Winston.


  38. Destinjohnny Says:

    Bad drafting has wasted his career

  39. DB55 Says:

    McCoy is one of the best criers in football. #1 all-time in fact. They even made a movie about his greatness.


  40. JimmyJack Says:

    McCoy has been a part of some of the most worst assembled teams in the NFL over his career.

    Yeah sure the dude is overrated, most Buc fans already know that. So the guy is not a leader, that doesn’t mean he the cause of any losing it just means we have a lack of leadership on that line.

    There would be no problems with McCoy if we had somebody on that line demanding accountability. Blaming McCoy for not being that type of player is ridicilous since so few players have that in them.

    Generational players that elevate those around them come around very rarely. Otherwise you have to win with each guy doing their job and hopefully enough talent to make plays………..we don’t have that generational player and McCoy is the only guy who can do his job well. He’s part of the solution not part of the problem.

  41. AlteredEgo Says:

    Tmax and Kim Jong Un as co GM’s next year

  42. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    I never questioned whether he was a good player or not but there is no question he is no leader and not a driven winner.

    Likewise, this is why I’ve also suggested we flip him for a draft prospect; or young lineman in recent years.

    I’ve looked around the league – and there’s PLENTY of teams with tons of capspace.
    Copying what Jacksonville has done. Someone will part with a premuim pick (3rd RD PK) and or player – for McCoy.

  43. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    4-3 Based Teams w/Tons of Capspace & Draft Picks
    • San Francisco 49ers – $117,970,860
    • Cleveland Browns – $117,652,107
    • Minnesota Vikings – $60,513,716
    • Detroit Lions – $60,299,016
    …..etc, etc, etc


    Mike Zimmer’s Wide 9 | Artificial Turf | + Gerald McCoy
    • RDE Everson Griffen
    • DT Gerald McCoy
    • NT Linval Joseph
    • LDE Danielle Hunter

    That would be freakin’ Insane.

  44. DB55 Says:

    Zimmer too mean and he curses a lot. He will make McIceCream cry and cwhy and cwhy.

    Give the jets a 3rd rnd pick and get Leonard Williams. Or offer a 2 2nds and McIceCream to the rams for the best 3tech in football.


  45. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Potential Trades
    *Playoff Teams Looking for that Extra

    —A Premium Pick Plus + Jaleel Johnson

    —A Premium Pick Plus + Jarran Reed

  46. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Keith Millard is fixture at Minnesota’s Vikings facility.
    And has endeared himself w/ the coaching staff.
    Don’t forget he’s big fan of McCoy’s – so Im sure he’ll talk him up.

  47. Bradentonbuc Says:

    How quickly things fall apart. Jesus.

  48. Lakeland Says:

    If the Falcons drop a 50 note on the Succaneers, I would be a Happy Camper.

  49. Zwak Says:

    Those checks cash just fine tho softy!

  50. Dirks Great Granpappy Says:

    Didn’t richard Seymor get traded for a first?

  51. not there yet Says:


    I don’t usually call people out directly but I think you’ve lost your mind. The list of players you had there did you really just lost Carlos Dunlap and that same Michael Johnson that played for us?

    You honestly think Brad Culpepper was an equal counterpart of Sapp? Stop naming rice because when he got here Sapp was already a beast. Sapp and Brooks decided they would no longer be the yucks. GMC is just collecting a paycheck, no one even compared GMC to Sapp anymore because they aren’t on the same planet in terms of how to play the game…..

    Before rice it was chidi ahanotu and Steve white, ahanotu actually got double digits sacks because of coaching. Tyoka Jackson was also in the middle in 2000 with Sapp and that screams elite talent? Sorry but the coaches knew how to scheme to free up their guys just like every other coach except ours

  52. Reach87 Says:

    Tmax, you’re a moron. You think you can come on this site and say you never questioned whether McCoy was a good player and no one would call you out?
    You have called him a POS and said he sucks every other day all season long! Say nothing if you’re going to out and out lie. Go Bucs!

  53. firethecannons Says:

    Bucs braintrust should consider trading McCoy. He is turning 30, c/o bout his knees and crying on the field for an extended length of time(what was that all about? pain?–seemed real weird) he is the first nfl player I seen actually cry out there. Anyway–time to clean house we need draft picks bad. McCoy is a nice dude but he is on his way out and Bucs need to salvage what they can.

  54. Bigchazucf Says:

    Anyone who mentions Marvin Lewis as a coaching option is out of their mind.

  55. James Walker Says:

    Who works for the Bucs today that was part of the decision to let Bennet go? Anyone?

  56. Season Is Over Says:

    McCoy hasn’t made a memorable play his whole career. I think he sacked Matt Ryan once in the fourth quarter of a meaningless game. Totally not worth 16 million a year.

  57. passthebuc Says:

    As I have been saying for a year, trade GMC If you could get a 2nd and a 3rd, you could use the picks to start drafting a new D line.

  58. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Brad Culpepper – 6yrs W/Bucs had 34 sacks @ NT

    Note: He acquired most of those sacks between 97-99

    Case In Point:

    NT – Brad Culpepper 97-99
    • 1997 – 48 Tkls | 8.5 Sks
    • 1998 – 38 Tkls | 9.0 Sks
    • 1999 – 32 Tkls | 6.0 Sks

    Note: Those are ALL-PRO type of numbers for the position

    Brad Culpepper factored in the opposing team’s tendencies, audibles by its linemen and tip-offs in its formations. Sh!t Brad Culpepper called all the our defensive line stunts. Yet undervalue him?

    Sapp didn’t

    Per Sapp:

    “I am the player I am because of Brad Culpepper,” says Sapp, the NFL Defensive Player of the Year. “Other guys might get more publicity. [Detroit Lions defensive tackle] Luther Ellis made the Pro Bowl because he’s good at pumping up the crowd. But I wouldn’t trade Brad for any nose tackle in the NFL. This team is one step from the greatest show on earth, and the man beside me is the one who’s going to lead us where we want to go.”

    Now ask your self – Has Gerald McCoy EVER had an interior running mate like Brad Culpepper? Hell Nah!!

  59. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Over a period of 7yrs (1997-1999) Only twice did Sapp not have a counter part that produced a 10 sack season.

    • 1997 Chidi Ahanotu -38 Tkls | 10 Sks
    1998 Brad Culpepper – 38 Tkls | 9.0 Sks ← Lead Bucs In Sacks
    • 1999 Warren Sapp – Defensive Player of the Year

    • 2000 Marcus Jones – 29 Tkls | 13.0 Sks
    • 2001 Simeon Rice – 39 Tkls | 11.0 Sks ←
    • 2002 Simeon Rice – 41 Tkls | 15.0 Sks ←
    • 2003 Simeon Rice – 45 Tkls | 15.0 Sks

    Now compare those numbers to Gerald McCoys running mates.

  60. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Over a period of 7yrs (1997-2003)

  61. Mr. Ed Says:

    “Unknown Boneheads.”


    Mark Dumbanik

    Quite known.

  62. Max Says:

    Just aint our year. Again.

  63. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Per Tony Dungy: On the Value of Brad Culpeper

    “Very few players get to the level of understanding that Brad has,” says
    Dungy. “His knowledge changes 15 plays a year, but they are the
    15 plays that turn an 8-8 team into an 11-5 team.”

  64. not there yet Says:

    No I get it your talking about how smart Culpepper was great someone taught him how to study the game how to translate what they practice to game day. He was no force or space water. Hell 90% were presiding the Chris ballet signing as was media outlets until training camp. I thought the complaint was he didn’t have edge rushers? What does the guy who loves up next to GMC have to do with him getting pushed around in the run game?

    Why do people keep talking like pass rush skill is all the job entails? So it’s everyone else’s job to play the run because McCoy must rush the passer. Who was the three technique when Sapp left? Did our defense fall off drastically after Sapp left nope so sorry passionate effort but all around player GMC is not, he’s too tender for the trenches and your not supposed to make excuses for the best player on your defense supposedly

    I guess that’s why anonymous people at the pro bowl who told him he want doing enough just had no idea what they were talking about huh

  65. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Former Director of player personnel Jerry Angelo & Linebacker Coach Lovie Smith watched 1st hand the devastation a 3tech w/elite get off (Sapp) brings – to defensive unit.

    And they took advantage of that particular trait – by surrounding Harris with comparable edge rushers – Adewale Ogunleye, Mark Anderson, and Alex Brown. And they road that one trick pony all they way to the Super Bowl.

    So my point is – historically teams have surrounded their elite tackles w/talent to compliment their skill set. Unfortunately this time around we have not.

  66. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    There’s no question Sapp & the rest of the tackles on that list played w/talent.
    U can’t say the same for McCoy – so I can’t judge him the same.

  67. Bucnjim Says:

    The best ability the great players have is availability! So McCoy was worn down his first year went he went on IR Dec 2010. Then again second year in the league Nov 2011 IR! 2013 knee injury, 2014 again ended the season on IR. He has been injury plagued since his FIRST YEAR! This worn down statement is so BS it is ridiculous.

  68. Bucsfanman Says:

    It’s not an excuse, but what DT hasn’t been oft-injured?
    The bottom line is that we have nothing outside of GMC on this d-line.