“The Bucs Are A Mess”
November 6th, 2017
Bucs fans are nauseated. And rightly so. This Bucs team has become such a galling embarrassment. Even winning Bucs coach Dirk Koetter said so after yet another seal-clubbing on the road.
Some believe Koetter has lost the team. Just by hearing the rumblings from too many players, it sure seems some on the roster are just good with collecting checks from Team Glazer.
But has Koetter lost the team?
Dan Hanzus of NFL.com believes yesterday’s showing in New Orleans demonstrates that, yes, Koetter is not getting through to the players.
Are the Buccaneers the biggest disappointment of this NFL season? Tampa Bay (2-6) has routinely underperformed, and Sunday’s no-show makes you wonder if head coach Dirk Koetter has lost the team entirely. Mike Evans’ bush league cheap shot of Lattimore along the Bucs sideline showed all the telltale signs of a team that has lost the plot. When FOX cameras locked in on Koetter minutes later — emotionless and staring into the abyss — it didn’t exactly inspire confidence that Tampa has the right leadership in place. That includes Jameis Winston, who started the trouble with Lattimore by poking him in the helmet after a sideline exchange. The fact that Winston wasn’t even in the game at the point — he exited after the first half due to his lingering shoulder injury — made it an especially bad look for the franchise centerpiece. The Bucs are a mess.
Yesterday, ,Joe remembers seeing a shot on the Superdome JumboTron of Koetter just after the blocked punt. He had the look of a defeated man, as if saying to himself, “What the hell else can go wrong?”
And Koetter has just about talked himself out. In his press conference, he answered questions as if he was in line at a wake. Sometimes, his answers were non-answers. Perhaps he has none? It seems Koetter is at wit’s end.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:04 am
Seems pretty clear to me the Bucs aren’t buying what the coaches are selling … or the QB, for that matter. And I’m one of the biggest Winston fans there is.
At this point, Jameis needs to shut his mouth and go out there and prove he can get it done on the field. Lead by example #3, before you lead by words.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:09 am
The fan are at wit’s end again also. How can this franchise keep striking out ? It all points to the owners.
Go Lightning!!
November 6th, 2017 at 11:09 am
another regime trashed by the mentally weak career loser cancer93… Dominicks captain and choirboy plan destroyed this franchise. How many talented players have been let go to go onto success at well run franchises. How many pro bowl free agents have came to tampa and forgot how to play or bombed. It’s a top down problem.
the losing culture and the leader of that losing culture must go… selfish me first smiling cancer with No heart, No drive and NO DESIRE to be GREAT!
November 6th, 2017 at 11:12 am
Dirk Koetter currently has a win/loss record of 11-13 as the Buccaneers head coach. Not only is he not a ‘winning’ head coach but he also hasn’t coached a win out of this team in over a month. Until that changes, and it sadly might take a regime change to instill faith in the franchise again, I would recommend referring to Koetter as ‘former winning head coach’ at the very least. Be sure as heck has earned it.
What a disappointing season.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:12 am
Yeah it must be the coaching. 9-7 last year with same coaches. The coaches need to cut the players who are spreading the cancer. But they won’t. They’ll fire the coaches and end up in the same spot again. Same old BS.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:12 am
I posted this elsewhere but it fits better here:
Joe and Ira keep saying Donavan Smith turns up radio AFTER being told multiple times to turn it down. Accountability? Jameis and Evans yesterday. Will there be discipline/accountability? D-Jax publicly complains and Koetter says he’s right, giving him justification to feel slighted and then forces the ball to him.
See what’s going on here? This is what happens when you let the inmates run the asylum, or let the tail wag the dog for you sensitive types.
This is exactly what the criticism was of Koetter when he was HC in college. Ijs
November 6th, 2017 at 11:14 am
It is %99 the players !
November 6th, 2017 at 11:15 am
“Winning” Coach Dirk Koetter is at wit’s end….
And, for those who blame GMC for all of our woes…..give me an example of another team that had a “similar” player where they got rid of him and all of the sudden succeeded……give me the name & I may reconsider.
This is a coaching issue pure & simple…..we have seen far too many mistakes…..
Blaming GMC is too easy…..so all Licht has to do is trade GMC…..he can go to the Glazers and say…..”Tmax says it’s GMC….let’s get the most we can get from him….the Bucs will then turn around….give me & Dirk another year to proove it”
November 6th, 2017 at 11:17 am
Stopped reading after “winning Bucs coach Dirk Koetter” as that is simply a flat out lie.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:19 am
All this talk “were doing what the coaches ask us to do” talk just throws the coaches under the bus. Gmc +baker was a mixture that proves the unemployment line is alive and well
November 6th, 2017 at 11:19 am
It’s truly sad when a coach has to remind players why they are in the building. We have a bunch of Ahmad black type players who will disappear from football once they are cut. The one smart thing this franchise had done is made it easy to get out of these contacts after this season making it easier to rebuild with yet another gm.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:19 am
Hiring and firing coaches every 2 years doesn’t seem to be working could there be a different issue?
November 6th, 2017 at 11:20 am
There is a cost savings that may help the Bucs salary cap next season. Jason Licht has not had to jump in the pool therefore eliminating the expensive dry cleaning bills for his suits.There will be plenty of money to make us winners again.There is always hope.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:22 am
TAMPABAYBUCFAN
You stick up for this player tell us what he has DONE……
NOTHING
A must win game and you didnt hear his name ONCE>…
GMC makes as much as almost the rest of the DLINE together and we get what?
YES money matters if you get paid YOU have to preform..
LAZY PLAYER who gets voted into the ProBowl cause everyone likes him he is nice…..
Im tired of all this Coaches, Winston, RBs, CBs, or and everyone else…
Everything has been changed on this team EXCEPT THE CANCER>>>>
November 6th, 2017 at 11:24 am
Tony Dungy 1996–2001
7 Jon Gruden 2002–2008
8 Raheem Morris 2009–2011
9 Greg Schiano 2012–2013
10 Lovie Smith 2014–2015
11 Dirk Koetter 2016–present
November 6th, 2017 at 11:26 am
CANCERS in the lockerroom that teams cut:
Owens several times
Hardy
Blount (can play but gets cut because he is a cancer)
November 6th, 2017 at 11:28 am
The problem is coaching and some players imo. Play calling on O is not creative. On D it is a lack of talent and dumb players not understanding assignments.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:32 am
Get Gruden NOW!!!!!!! He will get rid of JameisNOT in a heartbeat. Makes you wonder why the Bucs did not trade Winston, McCoy , Doug prior to the draft. They could have stacked up on draft picks. But now all three have little to no value. Particularly, Winston after the antics he pulled yesterday. His true mental illness is shining through. I wonder if he was licking NOLA crab leg juice off his fingers during that awful pregame speech. Dumb as a bag of hammers.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:32 am
Waterboy Says:
November 6th, 2017 at 11:19 am
Hiring and firing coaches every 2 years doesn’t seem to be working could there be a different issue?
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Yes, the Glazer boys are lost without their dad. No coincidence, the Bucs went downhill around the same time Malcolm’s health went downhill.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:34 am
Jameis Winston, who started the trouble with Lattimore by poking him in the helmet after a sideline exchange.
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These keyboard athletes are funny. So last night on nfln the host purposed a similar question to Primetime Neon Deion Sanders the GOAT himself. 2 sport All-Star!
Deion said Good on Jameis and even better on Mike Evans. “You can’t let them pull your card”. Let me translate for the lame brains nerds who have never competed for anything other than an A in AP Trig. You can’t let them punk you.
Both Primetime AND LaDamien Tomlinson agreed both said they like what Mike Evans did. Point blank Lattimore came to the Bucs sideline to talk poopoo. Jameis didn’t let it slide, then Lattimore made the mistake of touching the Messiah so his main disciple tried to cracked his head open.
Imagine what you people would say if Mike landed the punch he was about to throw before he got tackled himself. Mike is a beast I just wish he’d use his strength to get some yac but wtf do I know.
You people will never win anything bc you will not allow a team to be mean enough to play nfl ball. Remember the out cry when Schiano tried to break up the kneel down play? Totally legal but uncoof well fck your coof this ain’t polo beaches or hockey for that matter and their polite fist a cuffs. I’ve seen better fights between two grandmas at wal-mart fight over ham hocks.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:36 am
Winston is supposed to be a leader!! Why was he poking a player from the other team, in the head, when Winston wasn’t even playing??? You can’t lead men if you act like a teenager. Have you ever seen Brady, Manning, Brees, Rogers, etc. doing that? NO YOU HAVEN’T AND YOU NEVER WILL!!! Winston needs to grow up and MAN UP! What Evans did was wrong for sure. As a leader, what Winston did was worse.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:36 am
Wewantgruden
thinking gruden would be willing to work for this mickey mouse organization makes you far dumber than winston on his worst day…. clearly you have your agenda though.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:37 am
@ATRAIN
I’m not sticking up for him….just not blaming him for all the problems.
I would say you surely place a great deal of importance on such a lousy player.
Plus, there are multiple obvious cancers that have been cut…but no evidence that cutting them improved the team.
We had one….Keyshawn Johnson…..haven’t really won much since…
November 6th, 2017 at 11:38 am
I just don’t know TBBF. Do you really believe that with a different head coach or if the head coach called different plays that *this* team would respond differently? I don’t believe that.
For all the bashing tmaxcon and others do towards Gerald McCoy there is a simple truth that he is among one of the most consistent things about this franchise over the past seven years. Gerald McCoy and the Glazers have been the one constant since 2010. I think the vitriol towards GMC goes too far but at this point I believe the Buccaneers need to clean house. At the very least remove the “C” off of Gerald McCoy’s jersey. He’s not a locker room leader and if he is then he’s leading the losing culture.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:41 am
Fire the team!!! There are no Buc players who can match either Koetter’s or Smitty’s resume for wins.
And so let’s dump the guys with successful records and retain the losers none of whom can claim even a winning record. With yesterday’s loss btw Koetter is now 77-57 as a head coach. He didn’t have problems getting players to listen historically….could it just be that this team is infected and it’s not the coaches?
But people wish to believe that you bring in a Schiano or tough guy the players will straighten up? Really? Based on what? Not history! So gut this team!
Keep #3 and the coaches and start with a massive shakeup…not to send a message but to unload the culture.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:42 am
Considering our talent….
We are about where we should be.
If u don’t have the personnel to rush the passer or stop the run?
Then u combine that with a awful secondary…
Then you can’t run the football
Then combine that with a qb that is the 22nd best in the nfl
With a below average left and right tackle..
U don’t win in the no matter who the coach is.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:44 am
I’ll amend my advice to Licht…\
Go to the Glazers and ttell them “ATRAIN & TMAX think if I trade GMC the Bucs will become winners…..if I do that will you give me another year to prove it?”
Licht can save his job…..”Winning” Coach Koetter’s and surely Mike Smith’s who is the primary victim of the “Cancer”…….oh, and don’t forget saving Jay Hayes.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:45 am
But people wish to believe that you bring in a Schiano or tough guy the players will straighten up? Really? Based on what? Not history! So gut this team!
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Are you being serious right now? Even Raheem won 10 games with a bunch of undesirables. Smh. Let’s not even talk about the Tampa 2 defense, they had a couple of bad boys including mr Lynch who off the field was presidential but on the field was a straight felon.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:46 am
Now, Jason will want to move Mike Evans to linebacker!
November 6th, 2017 at 11:46 am
The glaziers are too soft to cut gmc. They the worst culprits of all.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:48 am
denjoe Says:
November 6th, 2017 at 11:46 am
Now, Jason will want to move Mike Evans to linebacker!
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Maybe he should move him to 3tech.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:49 am
10 years no playoffs….16 years no playoff win…..Change the uniforms back to the classic orange and white!
November 6th, 2017 at 11:50 am
To bad Mike didn’t take out a referee!
November 6th, 2017 at 11:53 am
St. Pete
I presume since you suggest overhauling the practically the entire team….you’d replace Licht…..
And, you’d get rid of Evans in favor of Djax…….Marpet?……..LVD?…….you’d blame players for their previous HC incompetence.
FYI…..Lovie is a “Winning” head coach in the NFL…….89-87…..never got called “winning” by Joe….
I like Koetter and would hope he gets another year if he straightens things out….but I’m not letting him off the hook for his mistakes which are many.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:54 am
It’s really simple on defense you play disruptive and physically push your man, you don’t get pushed.
On offense make your blocks, have a powerful runner and deliver catchable passes.
There have been plenty of open receivers this season but if the balls aren’t arriving on time and are off target you go 3 and out.
It’s simple but our team doesn’t try hard enough. Lazy tackling, blocking and a QB that isn’t in tune with his wrs.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:54 am
The modern NFL football player really doesn’t care…as long as they get their money…
November 6th, 2017 at 11:55 am
4 years of crap from Jason Licht that guy has no clue to build a team…rams, bills, jags and EAGLES are building with a string defense and then get othere through FA or draft…drafting of the K in round 2 and he is not in the NFL alone should get licht the door but passing on a franchise LT and then not getting kooky and solidifying the OL or getting a edge rusher or an RB, i mean we have a TE that isnt used so not surre why that was the pick….get someone in here who knows what urgency is and not “The Dinkaneers” por whatever BS slogan they have had
November 6th, 2017 at 11:58 am
Anyone else see Sean Payton give Dirk a shoulder check and shove after the game? Dreadful times indeed.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:58 am
The Bucs are so difficult to watch. This franchise is hardly better than the Browns. Needing to fire head coaches every 2 years tells us a lot about the ones selecting the coaches in the first place. So sick of the same losing crap year after year after year.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:58 am
its the coaches….simple as that…..
not only have we regressed on the field but we are now an undisciplined group….people saying players…BS….you cant cut everybody…then you have another problem…talent….
get a coach in here that demands professionalism and excellence everyday and twice on sunday…NO MORE PLAYERS COACHES….get a hard a$$ in here that doesn’t need anymore friends…we need a coach that wants to win…not be everyones best friend…..GO BUCS!!!
November 6th, 2017 at 12:01 pm
“Winning Bucs coach Dirk Koetter” Has an 11-13 overall record, Joe. Even the Bucs media can’t figure out the obvious..
November 6th, 2017 at 12:01 pm
Everyone who says it’s the players and not the coach have it 50% right. The problem with this team is the players, they don’t show up to stay games, they have no fight or effort during the games, and always seem to be lost. My problem with the coaches is this, I can’t be the only one that sees this. If the players are the problem, they shouldn’t be playing. I’d rather see a team full of practice squad and street free agents that play their butts off than these sorry players. It is the coaches fault, because they continue to trot out this bunch of losers every week, and it will be the coaches looking for work next season. Koetter needs to man up and start benching and cutting problem players now or he will lose this team and his job.
November 6th, 2017 at 12:02 pm
it is 99% players attitude …these guys are all supreme football players
November 6th, 2017 at 12:03 pm
Go listen to Djax post game pc nuff said…
November 6th, 2017 at 12:06 pm
Maybe he has lost the team because of all the hype the team bought into and started to blame the losses on the coach. At least he showed up for the games.
November 6th, 2017 at 12:10 pm
Ten Years and five coaches later, at some point you have to say it is the players. Raheem lost the team when they got back from London. Everyone heard the rumors what happened, but they quit WITH THE OBJECTIVE to get Raheem FIRED. The Schiano came in, was “too tough” on the team and in his last year, they quit on him AND HE WAS FIRED. Then comes Lovie, team quits again, AND HE WAS FIRED. At some point you have to agree with the Texans owner. These guys are players and they should not dictate who the coach is. Start cutting the troublemakers, hire a real offensive coordinator, bring Gruden on as VP for Football Operations and get this dumpster fire of a team competitive again. I am so tired of this spit.
November 6th, 2017 at 12:11 pm
I always thought schiano deserved another year, definitely thought lovie was a horrible hire and was a supporter of Koetter until this crap this week and how the team imploded, the jameis pre game thing was ridiculous, i still beleive in jameis but he needs to think from the finger eating to the poking in the helmet, I woulds have had a better feeling if jameis talked crap right to his face….evans didnt bother me, evans wants to win and I think TJ Ward is another but it gets very slim after that
November 6th, 2017 at 12:20 pm
Koetter likely takes the fall…but his GM built this team with a barely avg o-line, pitiful d-line…and couldn’t even secure a steady kicker. When you have a problem….you look for the common denominator. Licht is it. Koetter has had success…in Tampa and everywhere he’s been. Same with Smiths career. Licht hasn’t done anything but lose. He’s the issue. Koetter has mediocre talent that has no depth to push it. Good teams have veteran players…motivated by hungry young players on the depth chart. We have “developing” player with no competition to hold accountability. Winston, Smith, Spence, Hargreaves, Agauyo…handed jobs. Those are key positions across the board and we’ve whiffed on basically all of them.
November 6th, 2017 at 12:21 pm
@DB55
TYVM for saying what needed to be said.
I believe both Jameis and Mike Evans were totally right, to do what they did.
You said it, I said it, and Deion Sanders said it. You can’t allow a member of another team to talk chit w/o repercussions.
People talk about how they want a bad azz football team here in Tampa, but when we actually try to be a bad azz football team, they pizz and moan.
WTF ?
November 6th, 2017 at 12:23 pm
@Tampabaybucfan
I mean the Bills just got rid of a lot of the Rex Ryan pieces this year and they are 5-3. Dareus, Watkins, Darby, they let Gillmore walk in FA.
They went from being accused of tanking to wild card contenders in about a month and a half.
Does that count as an example?
November 6th, 2017 at 12:25 pm
At least it seems like we have fixed the kicking issue!!!! lol. Hilarious to think that we believed that was the one area that could potentially come back to haunt this exceptional football team’s chances of making a run. Turns out it actually mattered very little. What a joke.
November 6th, 2017 at 12:30 pm
theres a reason Koetter and Smith were outed in Atlanta
November 6th, 2017 at 12:38 pm
Chris
They want the omelette but won’t break the eggs.
Gmc is perfect for this fan base. They should re-name the team the Disney’s princesses
November 6th, 2017 at 12:40 pm
They have been a mess since 1976
No news here
Seasons: 42 (1976 to 2017)
Record (W-L-T): 252-399-1
They averages a little over 6 wins per season
They average close to 10 losses per season
In other words, they stinks
November 6th, 2017 at 12:44 pm
Joeypoppems,
Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods are both starting for the Rams
And they are playing well
I was hoping for the Bucs to sign Robert Woods this offseason
They fit in the Rams passing attack
The Bills lack a passing attack
November 6th, 2017 at 12:45 pm
I WILL SAY THIS , THERE ARE PLAYERS ON THIS TEAM AND THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE THAT ARE DRAGGING THIS TEAM IN THE GROUND , THAT TALKS CRAP TO THE OTHER PLAYS THAT MAKES THEM NOT PLAY GOOD OR EVEN TRY TO PERFORM GOOD, AND GETS THEM IN TROUBLE AND THESE PLAYERS HAVE BEEN HERE TOO LONG AND NEEDS TO GO. , AND ALSO THEY NEED TO SAY IT OUT LOUD THAT JAMES WINSTON WAS A VERY BAD PICK. HE WILL HAVE A FORK IN HIM NEXT YEAR MAYBE THIS YEAR…….COACH SMITH NEEDS TO PACK HIS BAGS HE WAS FIRED IN ATLANTA FOR A REASON , WE NEED A NEW QUARTERBACK COACH , PICK YOU BAGS TOO LICHT YOU NEED TO GO ALSO, YOU CAN’T EVEN PICK YOUR NOSE RIGHT !!!GLAZERS NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB AT WIRING THE COACHES FOR THIS TEAM NOT HASBEINGS FROM LAST YEAR OR YEARS AGO , THE TEAM IS IN THE TOILET SWIRLING IN THE WATER AND THE SHIP IS GOING UNDER… GLAZERS NEEDS TO MAKE THIS SHIP ARIGHT IF THEY DON’T WANT TO LOOSE THEIR FANS , AND THEIR JUMPING SHIP REAL FAST …….
November 6th, 2017 at 12:48 pm
Why must fans announce that they’re leaving? Bye no one will miss you. No one even knows who you are. Peace be on to you.
November 6th, 2017 at 12:48 pm
Supersam Says:
November 6th, 2017 at 11:58 am
Anyone else see Sean Payton give Dirk a shoulder check and shove after the game? Dreadful times indeed.
I bet his soft a$$ aint do nothing!!!…GO BUCS!!!
November 6th, 2017 at 12:52 pm
BUC MAN SAYS: LICHT YOU NEED TO GO ALSO, YOU CAN’T EVEN PICK YOUR NOSE RIGHT !!!
THATS CLASSIC!!!!…GO BUCS!!!
November 6th, 2017 at 12:56 pm
Joe, it’s one thing to be a cheerleader, it’s another to be a liar. “Winning” Bucs coach Dirk Koetter is a lie. It’s as accurate as “winning Bucs coach Ray Perkins” or “winning Bucs coach Richard Williamson”. They are all losers when it comes to “winning”. In fact this team and coach remind me of the current administration. I’m tired of all this “winning”. It has zero meaning or validity at this point. Why continue? To prove some kind of bizarre point? Yeah, I know, your website, etc. But it’s a credibility thing man. As in losing it by being silly in the face of reality.
Anyway, did anyone see 400 year old Dwight Freeney get 2 sacks last night (including a strip sack)? I think he might be activated if we picked him up a few weeks ago.
November 6th, 2017 at 1:00 pm
DB55,
Here’s some old archives for you
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2017/01/he-overstrides/
November 6th, 2017 at 1:00 pm
You know it’s gotten bad when the thought of going to Ikea on Sunday sounds better than watching a Bucs game!
Talk about a team with no life. Does anyone believe that WE can beat the Jets at this point?!
And, for the last time, we are not one player short, or one player away from being any good.
TEAM! We stink as a TEAM, top to bottom.
Ah, the life of a Bucs fan!
November 6th, 2017 at 1:24 pm
Lake
What you and I posted are both true. I’d add Russell Wilson and John Elway to my list as well.
November 6th, 2017 at 1:29 pm
DB55
You gave no example of a coach coming in here and turning our culture.
TBBF
No you missed the part about players over 25 which answers some of your questions. Virtually all of our VALUABLE players were drafted by Licht…so no I do not unload him.
I unload GMC first. Realist says we can get a 1st and 3rd rounder…I’d settle for a first at this point and I like GMC a lot. This is not all his fault but he’s been tainted by his years on this horrible team.
But I’d get rid of all the old guys…Ayers…Swaggy…I’d make a few judicious decisions..about McDonald and Grimes perhaps a few others.
As for DJAX or ME13…I was all set to let DJAX walk and keep all the young talented WR’s…but DJAX said EXACTLY the right things after yesterday’s game.
I’m not sure he’s not getting sucked into the Bucs bad luck.
But I would shop almost everybody. LVD and Kwon included. Not saying I’d get rid of them but again…1st round picks would truly sway me. If the coaches decide their film proves them more valuable to us then the draft picks we could get…I’ll leave it up to staff.
If we had two 1’s…two ‘2’s and two 3’s…heading into next year we could make some serious noise. Two DE’s..a dominant OL…D Smith can move to RT or be gone…Dot is getting old but would be a great backup for depth. We need to start playing players like Benenoch to see what we have.
If we traded GMC that would make a giant statement. If we backed that up cutting the old dudes it would make a statement. If we moved some other decent…do we have any…players for draft picks that would make a statement.
Fire the team! Play young guys to see if anybody on this team has any “want to” and load up draft picks.
November 6th, 2017 at 1:42 pm
“At Arizona State, Koetter compiled a 40–34 record, and four winning seasons in six years. Under Koetter, the Sun Devils became known for a vertical passing attack. He held a 1–11 record against top 10 teams, and was 2–19 against ranked teams.”
In the NFL, virtually all of your opponents are “ranked teams”.
November 6th, 2017 at 1:47 pm
Spbf
My bad I was talking about tough players while you were referring to coaching.
I like Mike Vrabel. Not sure if he’s calling the shots or Romeo Crennel but I like his no nonsense style.
Remember when he told Courtney Brown he was stupid and garbage. Lol. Sure enough licht signs brown to learn that he was stupid and garbage but it took licht a 3 months to figure out what Vrabel did in 3 weeks. So there’s that….
November 6th, 2017 at 1:48 pm
On our way on being the Browns
Lets keep changing coaches every 2 years.
Here is a novel idea. maybe its not the coach.
Many people thought the world of Dirk after his first season as OC and then last season’s 9-7 record as HC. Has Dirk really forgot how to coach.
Let’s keep Dirk and get players to help David, Alexander, Evans, Winston, Brate, Howard
November 6th, 2017 at 1:59 pm
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Jameis was trying to help his team anyway he could as he was injured and unable to help on the field … he told Lattimore to get off the Bucs sideline and Lattimore refused …. Jameis started pointing at him and looking around for refs, hoping to draw a penalty on Lattimore … he poked the back of his head and Lattimore shoved him … and had Evans not come over and leveled Lattimore, it’s possible the refs would have flagged Lattimore, which was Jameis’ intention all along … I loved everything about that … he’s not just sitting there looking disengaged like hurt Andrew Luck, or pouting on the sideline like tons of QBs do … he hasn’t checked out … he’s still actively trying to help his team any way he can even when hurt and on the sideline, that is what I love about Jameis … he will fight to the death at all times and there is no quit in him … but there are a ton of quitters on this team and they need to go!
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November 6th, 2017 at 2:06 pm
813 Bucboi & Supersam – I also noticed the shoulder shove that the NO Coach gave Koetter after the game. Also looked like he slapped Koetter’s hand instead of shaking it. Is their a reason for bad blood between these two. Also, did you notice that Sean Payton called a timeout to ice our field goal kicker in the 3rd quarter when his team was up by a bunch ? Koetter was a beaten man and Coach Payton just smashed a pie in his face.
November 6th, 2017 at 2:08 pm
This coaching carousel is getting ridiculous. The top 3 candidates in most Bucs fans minds are 1) Jon Gruden 2) Jim Harbaugh and 3) Josh McDaniels. The only candidate that might be willing to make the move would be Josh McDaniels. Heck, Tony Romo would be on my wishlist. Have you seen that guy on TV call the plays before they are even run. I would still defend Koetter remaining coach because of how it typically doesn’t work out to change coaches every couple of years, until I saw this team the last 3 weeks. They could care less about playing for their coaches. The defense claimed that the miscommunications have been all cleared up but not according to what I’m seeing on the field. Did anyone happen to notice Ted Ginn all by himself for an easy 60 something yard TD though Brees somehow overthrew him. That was a complete and utter miscommunication and embarrassment from this defense. Schiano was canned because the team supposedly was tuning him out yet he had a much more disciplined team and squeezed more talent out of a roster that was devoid of talent than we are getting from a team that should be playoff caliber. The fact is Koetter has lost control of this team. The next 2 or 3 weeks ( without Jameis) will determine if this team has truly quit on their coach or not. If you read between the lines from player comments, we have some cancers in this locker room. In our glory days, these players would be dealt with by the leaders of the team (Barber, Lynch, Brooks, Sapp etc). Accountability from the coaches is to be expected but the players need to hold each other accountable. there is no way that is happening. In fact, I’d go so far as to say the coaches aren’t singling out players and holding them accountable. Because of this, I do think a regime change is in order and quite frankly, I think Licht should be part of that regime change.
November 6th, 2017 at 2:13 pm
Well said NFLNUT. I loved everything about what JW and Evans did. They are being crucified for it but any passionate fan knows why they did it. It may not even be relevant for that game but it is to send a message that they weren’t satisfied with the performance of the team and I can only hope that message resonates with all the paycheck collectors on the Bucs team.
November 6th, 2017 at 2:14 pm
StPete, I would agree with you if YOU were the one drafting, but your not. It will be Licht- and I have no confidence that the guys he will pick will “fit” into our schemes. I mean Godwin barely plays and we don’t target OJ. He has 6 catches one week so we throw to him once or twice the following. J Evans has shown a flash or two, but he was a freaking 2nd rounder.
I’ll say it again, the coaches are bland/vanilla and awful. They were successful in a different NFL than we have today. Like Lovie, they can’t ever make adjustments, just keep doing the same thing over and over expecting it work . Calling players out for not making “your” system work when in actuality your system sucks. Here is a clue Mike Smith…Free Advice…
If you are going to blitz 3 times a game, you have to play the CBs in press coverage not 15 yards back. The offense has what is called a hot read and one of their receivers will just turn around and then gain 5-10 yards (unless we miss the tackle) and they will move the chains, again and again. This is why we cannot stop anyone on 3rd down. There you are welcome! Now if will scrap your entire defensive scheme and please come up with something less predictable that would be great!!
JMO
November 6th, 2017 at 2:15 pm
Man this is just a crying shame. I know some of these players do care. A lot or more so than not do not care and care only about that evil dollar. I do not understand how a professional athlete does not care. I coached for 27 years and not one game did I not care if I won or not. Hell it took me 2 to 3 days after every loss to recover. The Bucs have players on that team that are prideful of their character as men. I know one personally that it is eating him alive with all this negativity. Say what you will but I know as a Coach that it all starts with you the leader of men to be the one that sets the tone daily to be successful in that business. You cannot play favorites or play one player over another because he makes more or because you like one better than another or because ones stature in the community is better than another if you expect to win. You put the best 11 you got on the field and compete. Our Bucs had the talent to do it this season and it wasn’t coached the right way and we are seeing the results of such every Sunday. These guys need to do some serious soul searching and put their selfish character aside and come together as a TEAM and do what is best for the TEAM and not themselves. At this point in the season ones character and restoration of Pride is far more important than making the playoffs. That has gone out the door with their play. But with 8 games left they can certainly feel good as men by doing the right thing. This nonsense about not having enough time in 2 years as Coaches is Hogwash……You can gain the trust of players by being real and gaining ones trust by being honest and putting your best team on the field. This Caching Staff has not done that and chose to be buddy’s with people for all the wrong reasons and have destroyed this season. They need to go. There is a Coach out there that these professionals will want to play for and compete weekly, but it obviously is not the current staff. Good Luck players shake off all those negative people in your Locker Room and stand up for yourselves and go home at night and know that your a positive influence on your Teammates and do everything within your power to right the ship!!!!! Good Luck the season is only half over. Play for you, your Teammates, your Community, your Families. You don’t have to play for the clown of a Coaching staff that says the same thing week in and week out and does nothing to change the funk your team is in. Everybody is jumping ship but I am choosing to believe that your character is what will help you right this sinking TITANIC!!!!
November 6th, 2017 at 2:18 pm
Jim Harbaugh sure seems like a scorched earth coach. He comes in with a lot of bluster, has two or three good years and then the team implodes.
November 6th, 2017 at 2:20 pm
JameisNOT is way checked out. Raised to quit when times get tough. He is playing with the big boys now where everybody is good. It does not help that he is dumb as a bag of hammers.
November 6th, 2017 at 2:21 pm
We should have traded him before the trade deadline.
November 6th, 2017 at 2:27 pm
Jim Harbaugh sure seems like a scorched earth coach. He comes in with a lot of bluster, has two or three good years and then the team implodes.
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Can you say Jon Gruden. We could add a lot of other successful coaches to their list…guys with the ability to come in shake things up and turn things around but then their welcome wears thin.
With Gruden I think his players had enough…with Harbaugh though I think it was the front office…and lets face it he’s probably not going to work FOR a GM at this point. He has a great gig in Michigan.
I’m on the record as for keeping Koetter/Licht for at least a little continuity..but IF we did make a change Harbaugh is the ONLY coach who excites me..given that folks like Andy Reid and Belicheat are unavailable.
Personally I don’t think Harbaugh is available either. Why would he leave all that power and control…his Alma Mater. He has a chance to compete for a title every year at Michigan…that’s not how it goes in the NFL!!!
November 6th, 2017 at 2:29 pm
Lattimore was taunting pure and simple. Peyton iis classless for
condoning it. But most of all the zebras are missing in action when
they should be making calls.
November 6th, 2017 at 2:29 pm
BTW One last thought re Harbaugh. Most NFL coaches dislike college because of the recruiting. I think Harbaugh is such a huge ham and showman he LOVES recruiting especially on a massive stage with BIG events.
November 6th, 2017 at 2:56 pm
100 % agree – Ben the GA. Buc good post. If Jameis does not come back and start scoring touchdowns out of the gate,showing better ball placement, heads will roll and much of the blame will be on him. Jameis was supposed to be one of
the most NFL ready QB’s to come out of college who could make all the throws.
Jameis has gotta step up and and take a lesson from Brady and Alex Smith .
Start as soon as you are able to improve deep ball accurracy and all through the offseason.
November 6th, 2017 at 3:17 pm
DB55, good call. I like Vrabel as well. I’m not sure for HC but possibly DC and assistant HC, which is the only way we’d be able to get him.
November 6th, 2017 at 3:34 pm
Here comes Chucky!!!! The rumors are catching fire.
November 6th, 2017 at 3:51 pm
“Hire Jon Gruden”, “hire Harbaugh”
“Dirk isn’t creative” “can’t win with his outdated offense”
The irony is as thick as a grilled W.
November 6th, 2017 at 4:18 pm
Joe Says:
November 6th, 2017 at 2:18 pm
Jim Harbaugh sure seems like a scorched earth coach. He comes in with a lot of bluster, has two or three good years and then the team implodes.
if the 9ers give harbaugh the power he wanted, the 9ers would be in great shape….harbaugh didn’t want/like the GM in place….the owners choose the GM and the rest is history….
glazers don’t care about power…they care about winning and money….as long as harbaugh is winning they’ll let him be HC, OC, GM, scout, president of FBO, accountant, financial advisors….as long as he brings home a “W” every Sunday….GO BUCS!!!
November 6th, 2017 at 4:35 pm
Uggggggghhhhhh. You Jameis haters need to shut the f#ck up. He has had a bad shoulder injury in which this team has allowed him to play through. From the owners to the front office to the medical staff to the coaches that have let him to continue to play. Jameis was throwing for over 300 yards a game and he looked to be improving before the injury. It’s not Jameis’ choice to play in the game if he’s injured. It’s all on them (and Donavan Smith) that what I believe is the reason for his downslide.
November 6th, 2017 at 4:47 pm
People that think what JW and Evans did is a good things are complete morons and don’t know anything about football. It shows immaturity and that the lockerroom is coming undone.
The team is 2-6. They stink and that garbage is bush league.
Evans getting suspended for a game is a good thing?
Morons. Don’t have a clue. Probably kids posting that trash.
November 6th, 2017 at 6:01 pm
SobeBuc: did JameisNOT shoulder cause him to have two delay of game calls? Did his shoulder cause him to not audible out of run plays in which NOLA had 8 players stacked in the box?? The answer is no! His ignorance and lack of caring caused these issues. You can’t have the hospital janitor performing the brain surgery. It’s just the way life works.
November 6th, 2017 at 6:55 pm
Buc Man – WOW! That was the most incoherent post I have ever seen on this site and that is saying a lot! I would say you sound like an 8 year old based on the grammatical errors, but that would be an insult to 8 year olds.
November 6th, 2017 at 8:12 pm
“Dirk Koetter currently has a win/loss record of 11-13 as the Buccaneers head coach.”
More wins than Lovie had in his two years and the same number Greg Schiano had in two years. Dirk needs two more wins to match Raheem’s number of wins in his first two years. Unfortunately, I’m not very confdent they can get two more wins.
November 6th, 2017 at 11:52 pm
JW needs to find a legitimate franchise to play for. This staff & administration have taken the passion for football completely out of him, and the coaches haven’t been able to put in place the kind of offensive system to take advantage of his skills or the plethora of offensive weapons around him.
Forget a new coach, this team needs new ownership.
November 7th, 2017 at 8:25 am
Pack your bags Koetter. You and your DC Smitty. The two of you have done……. all the damage…you can do!!