“Something’s Funky. Something Stinks. Somebody’s Lying.”
November 25th, 2017
Ex-Buccaneer talks Jameis
It’s been eight days since America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, was publicly accused of crotch-grabbing a female Uber driver without permission at a fast food restaurant in the wee hours.
We know what she says and what Jameis says, and what Eagles cornerback Ronald Darby says, but there’s plenty we haven’t heard — including anyone tied to the Bucs organization publicly stating they’re confident that Jameis didn’t do anything wrong. (And man, that fact is making Joe ill.)
Anyway, ex-Buccaneers guard and current renowned radio personality and South Tampa socialite Ian Beckles had lots to say about Jameis’ situation on his In The Trenches podcast.
Beckles is pulling for Jameis, but he’s astounded by how Jameis has fallen from preseason MVP candidate to a player who’s performance and character is being questioned simultaneously.
“He’s plummeted so far,” Beckles said.
As for the groping scandal, Beckes said he hopes Jameis doesn’t pay off is accuser to make this go away because it’s a bad look to do that multiple times.
“Did he do anything? I don’t know. But usually people don’t file grievances because nothing happened,” Beckles said of the Uber driver complaint. “Something happened. Did Jameis do it? Don’t know. I have no idea. The Uber driver said that Jameis was the only person in the car and now we’re hearing there were three people in the car. So something’s funky. Something stinks. Somebody’s lying. They’ll get to the bottom of it. They always do.”
There was more in the podcast, but Joe has to say Beckles summed up things pretty well. Beckles said he’s feeling a ton of uncertainty in the community about Jameis and there will be no shaking this for anyone until things are cleared up with the off-the-field trouble. And Joe agrees.
Please proceed swiftly, NFL. Joe hopes Team Glazer exerts all the pressure it can to get the NFL to put its investigation into overdrive.
November 25th, 2017 at 6:42 am
If he’s guilty….he should absolutely settle immediately and should have settled sooner….if not, especially if he has some solid proof….then he should fight it.
He settled the other case and it has been, for all practical purposes, forgotten…..Jameis was cruising with good will building up for community service.
This needs to be expedited….the longer it sits the worse it will get.
The Uber driver didn’t file a police report but did report it…..we have no idea if money is the motive….bu we will find out. And, if Darby is lying, he could be in huge trouble.
November 25th, 2017 at 6:50 am
You’re right Joe. I hope the NFL proceeds swiftly also.
November 25th, 2017 at 6:55 am
The longer time goes without Jameis outting the third person, the more I am inclined to believe that Jameis was the only passenger in the car. Why?
Is Jameis so loyal to his friend that to keep that friend from being accused/outted on a sex crime charge, Jameis would damage if not destroy his own career? If Jameis hasn’t told the Glazers/GM who the third guy is, Jameis is showing loyalty to that third person over the organization that took great risk. That can’t bode well.
As for the Bucs not saying anything, the Glazers have always been more reserved in speaking out on any issues–much different that Bob Kraft or Jerry Jones. Consider also, that the Glazers very well may feel like they were bamboozled by Jameis–not just on this issue, but the whole stinkin’ character thing from the start. If Jameis is guilty of the sex crime allegations, or is simply caught lying about number of people in the car, the Glazers would look extra foolish to come out now in favor of him.
And if Jameis lied about any aspect of this to his team, he will be gone faster than you can say Jerramy Stevens (Bucs former tight end that lied about drugs while the GM defended him publicly).
He may already be on the way out because of the way contronversy surrounds him as is…even if he didn’t do anything wrong in this case (and as time goes on, I believe Jameis less).
November 25th, 2017 at 7:18 am
Jameis needs to go hard like Prince. No one near him, no one touches him, and never open your mouth.
November 25th, 2017 at 7:39 am
I’ve heard people asking why it took so long for her to come forward and usin it against here… but if all she wanted was money why wouldn’t she have acted on it immediately following the complaint to uber?if anything the fact that she waited might actually hurt the theory that she just wanted money, she even recounts being told she was going to have a famous passenger. Did she mull it over for a year before deciding her conscience could live with hurting an innocent person? She saw the other girls settlement and wanted the same but didn’t want to do it right after? Or the latest celebrities being pointed at gave her the timing she needed?
November 25th, 2017 at 7:44 am
Suppose Jameis settles while maintaining his innocence. This still won’t stop the NFL from taking action, meaning it goes into next season and stands to ruin that for the organization and fans. To an even larger sector that doesn’t believe him over past allegations, they will never support the Bucs. I’ve been a fan of this team since they came into the league, and have held season tickets every adult year of my life I’ve lived in the area. So I’m not going anywhere (other than temporarily, like if they start the kneeling business again), and I have seen (against Bucs players, and others on the staff) allegations, arrests and punishment for drugs, DUI, domestic violence, various instances of assault–but I don’t recall any sex crime allegations. In the public’s eyes, probably the only thing worse is murder. But like Hardy, Rice, and Elliott, this isn’t going away soon. I’m not saying Jameis committed any crime at all–I don’t know. But consider the State of ARI still has six more years to bring criminal case (not likely though). If convicted, he would have to register in Florida as a sex offender. It’s as much a matter of whether the organization wants to endure it or just cut ties with Jameis. Will we see a domino effect with another and another coming out with allegations? That is, if a large sector believes he is guilty and got off of it, it’s as bad for the image of the Bucs as if he was guilty. That’s just the way it goes, whether people believe it’s fair or not.
November 25th, 2017 at 7:59 am
Jeesh Jamieis, you’re hurting our hearts.
November 25th, 2017 at 8:11 am
Jamis may have been a great leader but I would prefer an accurate throwing qb without the drama. He paid off before so have him do it again and let it be over.
November 25th, 2017 at 8:15 am
“Kate” needs to do a little Christmas shopping and is hoping to do it with Jameis money!!! When this lying w…re jets exposed I hope that she has to give every penny she will ever earn from her glorified taxi driver job to Jameis!
November 25th, 2017 at 8:28 am
Something tells me she blew the whole thing off until a lawyer got a hold of her and promised to make her rich! She only told Uber and Uber acted accordingly to protect their drivers. No other reason for it not to come up until now! He’s had money for a while now. Not like it happened at FSU and showed up after his contract was signed. Also the Silence surrounding this thing is deafening.
November 25th, 2017 at 8:35 am
How have so many of you made up your minds when Ian’s view is the only logical view.
NOBODY knows. But this will get settled because of the two conflicting claims…claims by the way which have been made adamantly….not like I “think” there was one person in the car…or If I recall there were three in the car.
Nope…Kate and even her attorney have doubled down on the one in the car.
This makes it actually pretty easy for Jameis. He just signs up two witnesses…he has Darby already…one more credible witness who says he was in the car and her case falls apart.
OTOH…if it’s proven Jameis was the only one in the car? Pay her off immediately and attempt to save your career!!! At minimum Jameis lie about how many were in the car…IF he has lied!!!! Nobody knows anything for sure yet…except Kate and Jameis..but if Jameis is caught in a lie on this topic…given circumstances…failure to notify the team…this will and should tear it for the Bucs. They’ll dump him outright and then it’ll be up to another NFL team to take the risk. He may even mature and go on to win a SB…I’ll be happy for him…but I won’t miss him if he really told this lie.
I’m tired of waiting.,.produce the witnesses! Roy is exactly right. No third passenger has anything on the line more serious than Jameis. Nobody did anything wrong if there were three in the car…Kate and her attorney are too adamant about ONE. If there were three it’s over.
November 25th, 2017 at 8:50 am
This entire affair has been handled very poorly by Jameis and his camp and the Bucs. At this point, their silence is deafening
November 25th, 2017 at 9:00 am
I’m just so tired of all of these stories. I’d love it if the press just stopped covering it until there were facts saying one way or another. Then sit back, be shocked, and watch Jameis play on Sunday.
I think we can all agree this is just tedious and a waste of time. This off the field focus on football is just stultifying…I’m sick of it.
November 25th, 2017 at 9:13 am
It would be nice jameis could be a top 10’qb one day
I think we can say that brad johnson is best qb we have had
November 25th, 2017 at 9:13 am
Draft the best available QB in the first round. Let them battle it out and trade the loser for multiple future picks
November 25th, 2017 at 9:53 am
There is no “guilty” scenario….As one person responded, too much time has passed to press charges on what would be a misdemeanor.
However….Jameis has to prove his story or he’s likely getting suspended 6-8 games next season. That’s A LOT of wasted efforts by the owners, the coaches, and players for this season and now possibly next. How do you recruit anyone….coaches or players when you have a ton of uncertainty….you dont. So you’ll have to pay a premium to get them here and why would the owners risk that with a possible suspension hanging over the club. If Jerry Jones felt deceived regarding the Elliot suspension…..i dont see the Bucs having any leverage with Goodell. There will be no rush on this simply because its a huge story to carry into the offseason for headlines and it will take attention from the protesting.
I dont think Winston gets cut from this…..but he’ll be on very thin ice with a lot of pressure to produce.
November 25th, 2017 at 10:05 am
Joe, glazers are spineless owners who would never do the right thing and back a players.
This is more about society and the latest lets accuse everyone of sexaual harrasment FAD… don’t worry this country has an attention span less than a flea, this too shall pass when the soft arse PC police switch to another agenda / FAD…
November 25th, 2017 at 10:21 am
Jim says:
Jameis needs to go hard like Prince. No one near him, no one touches him, and never open your mouth.
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And never , ever look him directly in the eyes. 🙂
November 25th, 2017 at 10:34 am
I thought Winston’s Dad said that Jameis didn’t pay Kinsman off?
November 25th, 2017 at 10:49 am
I found this re-enactment/role reversal video. There’s even mention of Taco Bell.
https://youtu.be/tDo-Ks8CESY
November 25th, 2017 at 10:59 am
@Bobby M, the alleged offense is called sexual abuse in Arizona, covered by A.R.S §13-1404. Yup, includes unwanted touching, indirectly or directly of another person’s genitals. It is a Class 5 felony. It is not a misdemeanor. The statute of limitations for criminal prosecution is 7 years. The driver could bring a civil suit, and has just until 2 years after the offense to file it. The State will likely NOT bring criminal charges IMO because the driver didn’t file the report with police. However, that does not mean they can’t. For context, a person convicted of that is a sex offender. It’s the law…take it for what it is. Given the timeline, I am expecting the alledged victim is waiting to see where the NFL investigation goes, subpeonas the report, and decides by March 2018 whether to file a civil suit. Whether she’s a gold digger or victim, that’s the possible course of action.
November 25th, 2017 at 11:18 am
I think Jameis naively thought he had this handled. He felt he had made his case to uber about the number of people in the car and he was certain of that. Other wise I do believe he would have reached out to this young lady to settle long ago.
As for not reporting this to the team I have my doubts but if he didn’t it was out of a fear of controversy and scandal when he is innocent. Sadly these days the accusation is all that is remembered. This is for all men accused no one will remember when your name is cleared.
November 25th, 2017 at 11:21 am
the only thing more embarrassing than the bucs organization is what our legal system has become. the constitution has been shredded to ensure peoples feelings come first. absolutely ridiculous.
you want to fix this
Term Limits for Politicians
Tort Reform
Start Locking up these people making frivolous claims and gold diggers
Attorneys have ruined everything from bungee jumping to health care.
sorry joe no offense to your advertisers but facts are facts.
This country is ours NOT the career politicians that have let our once respected judical system become a complete and utter joke. Feelings have trumped fact for far to long.
November 25th, 2017 at 11:25 am
In the mean time Jameis should go on as if this never happened and focus on getting back to the field.
November 25th, 2017 at 12:17 pm
You would think…The Glazer would backJameis after hearing his side. The Cowboys head man Jerry. Jones backs Elliot..right or wrong! But not our Glazers. Beckles is right, somebody is lying bigtime. At first she says she and jameis were alone. Now we hear there were a total of 3 in the car? Maybe this is the adult learning curve Jameis must experience to be a better person. But these Money grabbing Bi…! are something else!
November 25th, 2017 at 1:01 pm
The reason for silence from all involved is the threat made by the lawyer for Kate. Regardless of guilt her giving some tearful interview would make things worse. Remember the woman has nothing to lose, and everything to gain.
November 25th, 2017 at 1:14 pm
Mike Johnson
Cuz the bucs org., media, etc. Don’t back their players.
I don’t believe any of jw crap. As per his lawyer only he is tied to this mess cuz of uber account being used. Jw and darby knows everything what happened. They weren’t cowards and admit to that. But she alleged that and it’s up to her to prove “who dropped her” and that 3rd person.
I believe the opposite and Jw told his owners gm’s abut this incident. If bucs admit Jw told them and they DID know they would be in trouble w him. The report itself was illegally but nobody talks about that part.
November 25th, 2017 at 1:31 pm
@Roy T….good info.
November 25th, 2017 at 2:33 pm
the glazers did not inherit daddy’s business acumen or leadership ability. they are spineless owners that are not respected in league circles nor within their own organization. they are soft and worry more about BS perception than reality.
no wonder this team lays down and has no heart. it starts at the top. NO WAY Bob Kraft or Jerry Jones would leave their most valuable assist hanging the way glazer clowns have with jameis. at least browns have hope bucs do not have any hope as long as the glazer clowns are in charge.
November 25th, 2017 at 2:57 pm
the bucs owners did not pick the wrong qb..Mr.Light did …Winston has been passed by with other qb’s drafted after him . Let him pay off another female( the school does not have to pay anything this time) and hope the bucs can find a more accurate qb.
November 25th, 2017 at 3:21 pm
StPeteBucsFan,
You should be ashamed of yourself. Jameis just needs to “sign up” another witness, and all is good? While I’m trying to teach my children morals and character, you teach yours that it doesn’t matter if they are right or wrong, as long as they come out on top.
You are a perfect example of what is wrong with the culture in our country right now. Not to mention St Petersburg.
November 25th, 2017 at 3:26 pm
george
winners win and losers lose. nice guys always finish last. see cancer93
November 25th, 2017 at 3:27 pm
StPeteBucsFan,
My apologies. I reacted to that poorly worded sentence before I read the rest of your comment.
Please don’t kick me. 🙊🤐
November 25th, 2017 at 3:39 pm
tmaxcon,
THAT’s what I’m talking about!
There are lots of good ballplayers of exceptional character. Our McKay/Dungy defense was made up of these guys. The team made a big deal out of making sure the fans understood the process and the contract when they drafted Warren Sapp, because they understood that this is what the community expected. Warren Sapp, whatever his faults, never let the team down.
I’m not judging Jameis until the facts are in, but to not care what kind of character our team has, and not care what effect this has on our culture, is to not care about the future because: “screw it, I’m not going to be here.”
November 25th, 2017 at 3:48 pm
tmaxcon Said:
“you want to fix this:
Term Limits for Politicians
Tort Reform
Start Locking up these people making frivolous claims and gold diggers”
Yes. Yes. And yes.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:01 pm
ben Said:
“Winston has been passed by with other qb’s drafted after him.”
I didn’t like any of the other QBs. We could have traded that pick and have a badass DL by now. Probably a young fresh guard, too, who can blow up DLs next to Marpet. Oh, well.
November 25th, 2017 at 5:12 pm
Ive read the testimony several times
Per the Uber driver
“ She showed up at the location. Two of Jameis friends helped him in the car. While she was driving, he was shouting anti Homosexual insults out the window. Jameis said he was hungry, so she drove him to a fast food drive in.
While waiting- he reached over and grabbed her in the crotch area”.
She dropped him off, and reported the incident to uber.
They sent Jameis a letter within 7 days. They explained the allegation, and suspended his Uber account.
Then the really Strange part.
No one hears anything from Winston. Not Uber, and according to Koetters statement- not the Bucs
Really?
Not the Players union? The Glazers?
But Jameis had retained Lawyers- although we dont know at what point.
She retained a lawyer- according to reports- after she found out he had hired Attorneys.
Who knows the truth.
But the question is- why didnt Jameis follow well established NFL players union protocol- and report this to the union as soon as-he got the letter?
Why not file a disbute with Uber? Immediately?
Why not tell his team?
None of that makes sense
Unless
His legal team was scambling to come up with an Alibl.
I really hope not.
I had already begun to question if Jameis had the decision making ability, on the field, to be a Franchise QB
Now- I doubt he has the capacity off the field.
Breaks my heart. He seems like such a focused young man, and a great kid.
Right now, this team is doing typical Bucs!
Lose so many games, that you are out of the playoffs, Then win so many that you miss out on the player you need!!
At the least- we need to draft Arden Key
At the most- we need a QB.
Tell Fritz to knock off that winning thing!
November 25th, 2017 at 5:21 pm
it’s the same blood-sucking attorney Clune involved. He’s never been one for womens’ rights, but he’s damm good at making a buck.
Cune won’t allow this to go away. OJ Simpsons’ attorneys got him for double murder. Klune is A LOT better than OJ’s attorneys were.
November 25th, 2017 at 7:24 pm
@dalvincook. Bingo. But be careful. If his client was abused, she is entitled. She is right. If not…she is….
No women should be abused. You have no right to grab her privates. Period. Hopefully, Jameis didn’t. I dont believe he did.
November 25th, 2017 at 8:28 pm
George
No sweat sometimes my writing is poor and the sarcasm doesn’t come though.
I was being particularly sarcastic in this instance because Darby…”the other witness” also happened to be the “witness” in the Kinsman story. Darby doesn’t exactly come with a ton of crebility.
November 25th, 2017 at 9:05 pm
George why would a 22 year old need to be helped into the car by two of his friends that did not come along. So this all implies Winston was intoxicated or under the influence. I also have my doubts about no one knowing or was told.
In the end Tampa will do what we always do, cut and run. We have lost so many good players because of similar things. Some other team out there is just waiting for him baggage and all. I hope we fight, but history tells me we won’t.
November 25th, 2017 at 9:51 pm
OJ Simpsons’ attorneys got him for double murder. Klune is A LOT better than OJ’s attorneys were.
how do you know and why do you say that? facts besides skin color please
November 25th, 2017 at 9:59 pm
Capt.Tim Says:
November 25th, 2017 at 5:12 pm
Ive read the testimony several times
Per the Uber driver
“ She showed up at the location. Two of Jameis friends helped him in the car. While she was driving, he was shouting anti Homosexual insults out the window. Jameis said he was hungry, so she drove him to a fast food drive in.
While waiting- he reached over and grabbed her in the crotch area”.
She dropped him off, and reported the incident to uber.
They sent Jameis a letter within 7 days. They explained the allegation, and suspended his Uber account.
“he said she said” that is why she did not go top cops you cannot prove it. how do i know? my wife claimed i beat her multiple times but police reports showed no injuries any bruises plus she had no hospital reports. guess what i beat her everytime in court but they arrested me twice once at my job
November 25th, 2017 at 11:15 pm
Satchseven,
I hear you!
I went thru similar. My ex slapped me, in front of a cop. She( the cop) wrote it in her report.
Ex goes to court- says I slapped her. Got an injunction for protection, custody of kids, possesion of a house.
I went to court 4 times they refused to look at evidence.” Guilty or not guilty”.
Finally found a detective to file charges on her. At that point, Court looked at evidence and said they realized she had gotten the injunction under false pretenses. But still refused to repeal the injuction( which granted her so much with out me being present!) said all she needed to do, was say she was nervous. Her Lying under oath meant nothing!!
As far as Jameis.
The driver took no other action, other than immediately report it.
NO lawyers, no releas to the press. Nothing.
I wonder if Jameis had apologized, said he was drunk, and entered counciling- if this might have gone away.
She didnt hire a lawyer for 20 months.
Didnt hire one, until Jameis and his team disputed her report.
Just a thought.
It still doesn’t make sense that he keep this from everyone, except meybe his Lawyers, for 20 months.
Innocent people say they are innocent. Guilty people try to prove they are innocent
November 26th, 2017 at 1:34 am
Capt Tim Jameis is extremely loyal. Thru the firestorm at FSU the school stood by him and he took them to 2 championships. I just know if Tampa sticks by him thru this he will do the same here. Also the loyalty he has shown to the third person in the car could be why he is under fire now.
November 26th, 2017 at 8:11 am
Pam, Jameis would only be loyal if he indeed told his team about this when it happened AND told them the WHOLE story, including who was in the car with him. As time goes on and there is not identification of a third person, I tend to be suspicious that a third person (or second person as well) doesn’t exist.
November 26th, 2017 at 4:46 pm
@CaptTim
“Innocent people say they are innocent. Guilty people try to prove they are innocent.”
Profound and true. I had to add that to my list of awesome quotes. Capt Tim is now immortalized.