Jameis Doesn’t Need Mentoring

May 20th, 2017

He’ll be OK.

Look, Joe’s happy the Bucs found a competent quarterback to back up America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.

Ryan Fitzpatrick, save for one season, has been a garbage starting quarterback on some really awful teams. The guy has bounced around the NFL as much as a business woman working a high-end Las Vegas casino bar at 2 a.m. on a Thursday morning. There is a reason for that.

To be fair, Joe is convinced Fitzpatrick has never worked with offensive coaches as sharp as winning Bucs coach Dirk Koetter or offensive coordinator Todd Monken. Those two coaches can only help Fitzpatrick.

But this notion that Fitzpatrick, just because he went to Harvard, will help mold Jameis into an elite quarterback is an absolute stretch.

Consider what Jameis has done in his last four years of football (a national championship in college, carrying a college team on his freaking back to a national semifinal game, setting an NFL record for most passing yards in his first two years as a pro), Joe isn’t sure Jameis in any way needs input from Fitzpatrick in order to take the next step in his NFL progression. And what possibly could Fitzpatrick have experienced or seen that Koetter or even Monken haven’t?

Again, Joe is happy the Bucs signed Fitzpatrick. But too often, this concept of a subpar teammate, just because he has NFL experience, being able to mentor a far superior starter is simply way, way, way overblown, especially when said starter has an impressive resumé like Jameis does.

Look, it’s not like the Bucs signed Dan Marino to back up Jameis.

42 Responses to “Jameis Doesn’t Need Mentoring”

  1. Defense Rules Says:

    Guess I missed something Joe. Haven’t read anywhere (yet) that Fitzpatrick could serve as a ‘mentor’ for Jameis. Already has a trio of great mentors in Koetter, Monken & Bajakian (whose importance has been very underrated IMO). Fitzpatrick’s role is to compete with Ryan & Liufau for a backup spot; those are the only other QBs that I now see on the Bucs present roster.

  2. TattooedBuc Says:

    I think you are right that Fitzpatrick won’t have a huge impact. There is a case to be made that his familiarity with some of the teams we play (especially in the afc east) could help in little ways. The outcome of most NFL games comes down to 2 or 3 plays. So, if he has picked up on a couple of tendencies that could help Winston it could lead to a play or 2 that can affect the outcome. If that help leads to just 1 more win, that could be the difference between making the playoffs and watching from the couch with the rest of us.

  3. Pickgrin Says:

    “what possibly could Fitzpatrick have experienced or seen that Koetter or even Monken haven’t?”

    Um – lets start with 116 NFL starts under center.

    Fitz will absolutely help Jameis Winston see things and become a better QB – just like MG8 did.

  4. Kobe Faker Says:


    Ask why Monk is here

    offensive coach? LOL

    Fritz knows more about offenses than polaroid Bart Simpson and WR glorified guru monk

    Fritz is going to teach Jameis alot. Tons of experience and can mentor from a players eyes

    LOL! and people here still wants to bring back vjax our military soldier to mentor Mike Evans to sit down during americas anthem…how did that mentorship go?

  5. SCBucFan Says:

    Agreed DRS…I’m not sure if Joe or Jameis wrote that piece. Ouch. So far RF is the best back up QB on the squad AND would still be if Glennon was in the building. Numbers don’t lie.

  6. OneBucPerson Says:

    Joe it is always good to get another experienced voice in the QB room and regardless of his talent level Fitzpatrick has been in the league for a long time and has seen his fair share of formations and plays. If there is any advice he could offer that would get Jameis closer to single-digit interceptions then I’m all for it.

  7. Doctor Stroud Says:

    This year, the Bucs are scheduled to play the AFC East teams, and signing Fitzpatrick was a shrewd move to not only get the experienced backup but also to scout those particular opponents.

  8. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Certainly RF presents a better backup for Jameis to draw experience from than Ryan Griffin or Mike Glennon.
    RF doesn’t need to be a mentor…..simply an experienced QB that Jameis can lean on for advise.
    Who could argue with that?

  9. mark2001 Says:

    Joe…..I think Jameis will be a great QB in the NFL…..

    But really….Marino? Frankly there have been few guys in the league that had the touch and arm strength that guys like Marino and Namath had.

    I wouldn’t want either of these two guys to mentor Jameis. Frankly, I think guys like Rodgers would be better at that, given a “wish list”. They have arms, but seem to understand nuances of the game today leading to success that very few QB have. And those things take years to develop, and few QB’s do to that level.

  10. Kobe Faker Says:

    It is a proven fact in all sports, that the best coaches were not the best players but actually, the the best players were 1 of the worst coaches

    Kobism 101

  11. MIKE Says:


  12. tmaxcon Says:

    New Bucs desire to win and talent requires a lot less mentorship than the holdovers. all that leadership and mentor crap is much more needed for mentally weak players like martin, lvd, mccoy and dotson who do not have a desire to win or who give up after a bad play or penalty. that’s the old bucs. the new bucs will dominate. In with the new out with the old

  13. Tampa Tony Says:

    Maybe not a mentor just someone to learn from. Learn to do the opposite of Fitz and protect the damn ball

  14. The Buc Realist Says:

    kobism 101 = lying your azz off on every post, until someone calls you out, then to disappear for a day!!!!!

    the day that kobe liar became kobe liar!!!!!!!


  15. Casual Observer Says:

    I like the signing as well. My only concern is having to carry 3 QBs again. That means one less depth person for other positions. Like OT or LB.

  16. Tony from Los Angeles Says:

    This is so short-sighted, Joe.
    So you’re against stats and now you’re against experience.

    You know the old saying… “Those who can’t do (very well) teach.”
    I’ll take the Harvard guy with a decade of experience and trust he’s learned a thing or two he can pass on. ANY DAY.
    Mentor and share a few nuggets here and there are two different things.–Joe

  17. The Buc Realist Says:

    @Casual Observer

    They carried 3 Qb’s because they knew that MG8 could have been traded or that he would sign somewhere to start. The plan was to give 2 years to griffen to make him the backup!! They do not think he developed enough!!!!!!! They went after Foles, and they went after and signed Fitz!!!!! I do think this move means that they will only carry 2, as the rest of the team is deep and they will need that spot!!!!

  18. SB Says:

    Fitz is smart. He is just here to get a ring.

  19. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    What SB said.

  20. Buccaneer scotty Says:

    Have we signed any of our draft pics yet ? And some with 12yrs experience can definitely help somebody with only 2 or 3 in someway shape or form dumb as@ !

  21. LC Says:

    By now, readers should know that it has been said or written when Joe writes it then it has come up which it was said on ESPN and NFLN, yesterday that Fitz could be a mentor. Also, the dissing of Monk needs to stop. Get educated before you comment.

  22. tmaxcon Says:


    perfectly said

  23. Casual Observer Says:

    BR – Perhaps you are right; they will carry only 2 QBs. But that means they likely will lose Griffin – who they have carried (invested in?) for two years.

  24. Buc'd Up Says:

    I would disagree, mostly because it’s totally different evaluating what is happening on the field in a few seconds when the bullets are flying right at you.Fitz will be able to see things Jameis can’t and be a big help breaking down defenses (AFC east especially) during games on the sidelines.i think Lennon did this pretty well and is a great asset. Coaches plus Ditz will only help.

  25. Joe Says:

    Guess I missed something Joe.

    You did!

  26. Joe Says:

    “what possibly could Fitzpatrick have experienced or seen that Koetter or even Monken haven’t?”

    Um – lets start with 116 NFL starts under center.

    So if playing x-number of games means you are smarter, then why hasn’t Fitz applied that wisdom to his own play?

  27. Joe Says:

    Ask why Monk is here

    offensive coach? LOL

    Fritz knows more about offenses than polaroid Bart Simpson and WR glorified guru monk

    Are you truly this dumb in real life, or do you just pretend to be so on the internet because you live a sheltered life and strive for attention?

  28. Defense Rules Says:

    May 20th, 2017 at 11:29 am
    Guess I missed something Joe.

    You did!

    LOL. Set myself up for that one. Touche!

  29. TheShaz Says:

    Fitzpatrick will be carrying the clipboard. If he is asked to start for more than two games due to injury to Jameis, the season has been tanked.

    It does not mean that a player of his years of experience in the NFL cannot be of benefit to Winston.

    But never in my wildest dreams do I picture Fitz saying to Jameis “Hey, if you do this, this & this you can be great!”

    I think Glennon has more talent that Fitz, but Glennon doesn’t have anywhere the playing experience.

    Counting the seconds for THE GLENNON MOB, to become the FITZ FAN SQUAD. Chill people, the hardest thing this guy has to do is holding the clipboard.

  30. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    “Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
    May 19th, 2017 at 3:17 pm

    Fitz won’t be a mentor to Jameis. Jameis doesn’t need one. He is a dominant personality. It would take a superstar to mentor him, and even then, I doubt it will happen.”

  31. Gilhealy Says:

    Yea, SB, that’s the dealio.

  32. Gilhealy Says:

    It’s not like we’re bringing Morrall in from the bullpen, but Fitz can sling it good enough. His deal is trying to sqeeze it in too much. With the offense we’ll be running out, he’ll have many options wide open. Do that enough early, and the bigger stuff opens up later. I like the pickup.

  33. LifeOfABucFan Says:

    SB is right…now everyone wants to come here!!!

    NEVER in my life, have I seen so many bandwagon friends at work..suddenly all these dafts that work with me are coming in wearing BUCS GEAR!

  34. Gilhealy Says:

    LOABF, everybody see’s the storm comin’. It’s been rollin’ in since #3 signed. Hard Knocks is gonna open up a lot of eyes. And a lot of cash registers ringing up Buc gear.

  35. LifeOfABucFan Says:

    Yeah agree Gilhealy..

    I also meant to type “fans” not friends..but heck they both fit in..

  36. jwash Says:

    “Jamie’s doesn’t need mentoring”
    This is such a flawed statement. And I know Jameis disagrees with this. Thinking you’re beyond receiving any mentorship is how you become stagnant.

    Hell even Kurt Warner admits he needed Drew Stanton to mentor him on throwing jump balls to big WRs because he’d spent his whole career throwing precise timing routes. That was 34 year old Kurt Warner, being mentored by a first contract backup QB. There will be things JW can learn from RF….and vice versa

  37. bucNation Says:

    joe you gotta stop writing about jameis throwing the most yards to start a career ever it’s simply not true! check the stats he’s the first to have consecutive 4000 yard passing seasons to start a career but doesn’t mean he had the most yards. andrew luck 8196 yards jameis winston 8132 yards. it’s only a minor mistake but you guys constantly say it and i wonder if you even knew it wasn’t true

  38. Buc1987 Says:

    Fitz : “This is how it’s done. I threw 6 picks in one game, listen to me.”

  39. Rick in Ft. Myers Says:

    Truth is Ryan Fitzpatrick, in a manner of speaking, is “another” mentor for Jameis Winston. Forget Fitzpatrick’s won/loss record, the number of TDs and INTs thrown, and the number of teams he has played for. Fitzpatrick, is yet one more perspective on playing QB in the NFL from which Jameis can glean information to fill in the inevitable gaps in his knowledge of the game. After all, Jameis has only been at this for two years. To date, Jameis has spent two years gleaning what Dirk Koetter, Mike Bajakian, Mike Glennon, Mike Evans, Luke Stocker, and his other receivers have to offer, one-year adding what Todd Monken has to offer, and now he’ll benefit from the divergent perspectives of DeShawn Jackson and Fitzpatrick. Moreover, as someone mentioned somewhere, Jameis will be able to draw on Fitzpatrick’s much more comprehensive knowledge of the AFC East when the Bucs line up against those teams in 2017. All this only adds to Jameis’ repertoire of “how to attack” various teams and different defenses. There will be things for Jameis to learn from Fitzpatrick.

  40. Bob in valrico Says:

    Jameis is like a sponge,always trying to lean from somebody else.So I am confident he will learn something of value from Fitzpatrick.

  41. Stpetebucsfan Says:


    I don’t think you need to worry unless #3 grows a beard for camp.

  42. BuccoDav Says:

    Who is calling him a mentor?
    Someone to talk to and bounce ideas off on the sidelines, that is his roll.
    His experience in the NFL does have value.
    I can’t recall what NFL teams Koetter and Monlen played for… could you remind me?