Reading The Pressure Gauge

May 13th, 2017

Saturday columnist Gil Arcia dives into the Bucs’ pass rush.


 The Buccaneers’ pass rush has not gotten its act together in quite some time. When you think about it, it makes you appreciate the Monte Kiffin days that much more.

It may not be fair to compare, considering Kiffin had Sapp, Brooks, Rice, Lynch, Booger, Ronde, and so on to work with. But the fact is the 11 guys on the defensive side of the ball have to perform every season no matter what name is stitched on their backs.

That’s why when Tampa Bay defensive end Robert Ayers said this past week that he feels Noah Spence can be a 15-sack guy, it felt genuine and exciting.

Spence can undoubtedly be that guy. But let’s just get into the backfield first. Tampa Bay’s pass rush was one of the worst in the league in quarterback pressure.

Via, Philadelphia’s defensive end Brandon Graham had registered 40 quarterback hurries in 2016. Giants DE Olivier Vernon was just behind him with 37. They ranked first and second, respectively. A Buccaneer doesn’t appear on the list until No. 33 with Gerald McCoy’s 19 hurries.

If you want to compare defensive tackles, Bengals’ Geno Atkins had 36 while Rams’ Aaron Donald had 31 and were third and fourth overall.

As a team, the Bucs were third to last in the league with 76.

Let’s take it a bit deeper (no pun intended). The Bucs’ secondary did a lot to make up for a lack of a rush. They were fifth in the league in passes broken up with 87, and tied for second with 17 interceptions as a team. The 87 passes defended is the most they’ve had in the past nine seasons.

Oh what could have been — if they had only gotten to the quarterback more.

From Ayers to Spence and everyone else in between, the Buccaneers need to do a better job up front. Not only from a statistical standpoint, but that would relieve pressure from the secondary.

Heck, it may even add a couple extra wins and a playoff berth.

79 Responses to “Reading The Pressure Gauge”

  1. Casual Observer Says:


  2. No_Bucs_Given Says:

    You have to hope that the extra “weight” on the line will help the pass rushers not wear down by 3rd down. Our Dline has always been light. This extra “meat” in Baker and Stevie T will allow a fresh 3rd down substitution with pass rushers.

  3. Ndog Says:

    Bengals’ Geno Atkins had 36 pressures while McCoy had 19. So for all you “McCoy needs a great DE to produce” guys I ask you what great DE does Atkins play with? Michael Ghost Johnson? This is proof excuses excuses excuses!

  4. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    When Spence and Bosa first arrived at Ohio State most of Columbus believed that Spence was the better player and a guy who could become great. Bosa is very good but I do not believe he’ll keep up with Spence.

    Spence is the player most likely to blowup this year. But we have a lot of young guys who can continue to improve…Kwon is going to be even better…again how many of the other guys have career years? If Baker and Ayers both had their best seasons and GMC and LVD do as well…this defense could be special.

    If Smitty has both LVD and Noah coming off the edges at times that could be scary. Mix in VHG in a Ronde Barber blitzing role on occasion…..I think we can get pressure this year!

  5. Blake_bucsfan Says:


    Carlos Dunlap is pretty good.

  6. TheShaz Says:

    IMHO, the sun should be setting on McCoy. I think the Bucs front office should plan on finding his replacement after this season.

    I am hoping that a combination of it being Jameis 3rd year and the weapons he has now should allow the Bucs to light up the scoreboard forcing opposing offenses into a one dimensional attack allowing our defense to pin their ears back and attack the QB.

    OK, done daydreaming.

    Gil is right, the secondary is in decent shape, the LB corp is in decent shape, but the D-Line is the question mark. Is Ayers blowing sunshine up our keisters or do we have a diamond in the rough with Spence? We shall find out in four months or so.

  7. Defense Rules Says:

    Awesome analysis Joe. Agree wholeheartedly that the Bucs ‘need to do a better job up front’ and I think with Baker now onboard … and hopefully McDonald healthy … the DTs will get more pressure in the middle & force the QBs to move right into the waiting arms of the DEs.

    Another thing that might tie in also is stopping the run. Selling out to get pressure on the QBs might hurt us somewhat against the run. Philly & Giants ranked 12th & 10th respectively against the run last year, so maybe it’s not that big a factor. Hard to say. Bottom line on defense IMO though is that it all starts with the DLine. Any QB in the NFL will pick us apart if given enough time.

  8. The Buc Realist Says:

    Just read somewhere else that NS57 lost 10 pounds to get even faster!!! Stats were a little skewed last year due to the very high powered offenses they faced int the first half of the season and all the injuries on the D-line!!!

    I am not as worried as some about the “pass rush”!!! It will look and be a point of deference this year!!! Injuries are always a concern due to the history and old age of some of the D-line!!!! But I have full confidence in D-Coach Smitty to get the most out of them!!!!! He is already pumping up the former “face of the franchise” GMC93 back to his peak performance!!!!!

    @gil arcia
    It was the defense during that streak that carried the offense close to anything last season!!!!!! so settle down with the “what could have been”!!!!!!!!!

    Go BUCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  9. Harry in Costa Rica Says:

    I do not get why DE (or DL in general) did not get more attention in the draft. Why, as an example, did we move up in the 3rd rd to draft an injured player for a part time position (strong side LB)??? I love Licht, but I wish he would stop doing his annual one crazy draft move (Sims, when we needed OL, ASJ, AG).

  10. Kobe Faker Says:

    The new Nfl normal is to get the ball out in 2 seconds

    In our div Ryan, brees and soon cam * not sure if cam can do it

    40 year old goat old man qb still playing lights out because the ball is out

    Bucs 3rd worst total qb hurries

    “No inside Push!” “Push into the qb face and make him not to step into his throws”

    Kobe and Mike Smith

    The Buc Realist

  11. Harry in Costa Rica Says:

    “…Stats were a little skewed last year due to the very high powered offenses…”

    This is a good point, but I am going in the opposite direction with it. As a team in the NFC South, the Bucs are going to always face “high powered” offenses. And in addition to the usual ATL, NO and SC, this year we can add the Giants, NE, AZ and Packers. Its great we will have an offense that has a chance to keep up and is exciting to watch. But with little pressure on Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Ryan, Brees, etc, we can get left behind in a hurry.

  12. Ndog Says:

    Yes Blake but Robert Ayers is pretty good and Clinton McDonald won a super bowl so you could say he’s good, and McCoy with the exact same player on M Johnson. Its old and for goodness sake he just said it himself that he needs to do more. He is not here to be good, he was the number 3 pick in the entire draft that player is supposed to be GREAT!

  13. R.O. Says:

    What’s the definition of a Pressure or a Hurry? What was the result of the play? Can still register a pressure and complete a pass?

  14. LakeLandBuc Says:

    And if you have good pass coverage, the QB tends to hold the ball longer. In 1999 we had Donnie Abraham, Ronde Barber and Brian Kelley at CB, 3 excellent cover CBs. Derrick Brooks, Hardy Nickerson, Shelton Quarles, 3 excellent LBs in coverage. Damien Robinson and John Lynch at Safety, again excellent cover guys. In 1999 we were 2nd in pass defense, we gave up 2873 yards. Last season we gave up 4012 yards passing. In 2015 we gave up 3840 yards. In 2014 we gave up 4084 yards. In 2013 we gave up 3806 passing yards. In 2012 we gave up 4758 passing yards. In 2011 we gave up 3814 passing yards. Just a few stats from the stat guy. It takes 11 players on a defensive unit to make it function correctly.

  15. darin Says:

    Fairly ignorant statement. Totally different team, different players, scheme etc. We are not privy to what defense was called and how often etc etc. And news flash… geno atkins is a hell of a player as well. I guess its just easy for some of you to bash him because its “in”. Ive never understood the whole fad thing. Think for yourself. Go back n watch the games again n focus on mccoy every play. Go bucs

  16. LakeLandBuc Says:

    There’s no excuse for a Secondary to give up 4012 passing yards. Pressures or no pressures, you just don’t give up that much passing yards. Especially to Bums QBs .

  17. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    @Ndog, Lol Carlos Dunlap was literally 7th on that list with 29 Qb hurries.

    No other Bucs DE is even in the top 100.

    So you asked what Geno Atkins had that Gerald McCoy didnt, and I gave you the answer.

  18. Kobe Faker Says:

    No doubt we need a experienced veteran corner and d lineman to get where we want

    Getting tired of all the endless offensive weapons and potential talk

    The key to our season is 2 extra defensive vetern players

    I hope we can get those 2 atleast beginning of camp. Never been a good thing to jump in beginning of regular season and try to gel

    Glazers give licht the green light to WIN NOW

  19. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    You must feel pretty stupid right about now. I bet you’ve never even heard of Carlos Dunlap, lol. God forbid you actually do a little research before you type something!

  20. LakeLandBuc Says:

    Kobe Faker……what good is it to have a QB to throw for 4,000 yards, when your secondary will give up 4,000 yards plus another 1900 on the ground? Will this make you a ‘elite’ team?

  21. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    One thing most people don’t realize is that Gerald McCoy is the only Pro Bowl DT that has NEVER played with another Pro Bowler on the line. 7 seasons and not one. Look it up if you don’t believe me. Of course Bennett ended up becoming one, but Schiano got rid of him before he hit his prime.

  22. Kalind Says:

    McCoy is also 2 and 3 years older respectively. So chill.

    As for Spence. The dude was a rookie undersized DE. Who played injured.

    In my eyes he might as well have been Superman. Name a 10+ sack guy who played as a rookie. Go ahead…ill wait.

    Asking a rookie de to perform is a waste of breath or clicks on a keyboard. Now that he’s healthy, a full year in, I expect he’ll get 8 or 9 (since he’s not going to be a full time player) and given that he’s not ful time, if Gholston picks up 3-4 subbing in for him? There’s your 10+… Smh

  23. LakeLandBuc Says:

    How can you pressure the QB, when you rush 4 players and drop 7 in coverage. Most of the time you have 6 blocking 4. And you still have guys running around wide open. No defender within 5 yards of them.

  24. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Yes Blake but Robert Ayers is pretty good and Clinton McDonald won a super bowl”


    This gets better and better. Robert Ayers was hurt the entire year! The couple good games he had were also conveniently great games for McCoy. If you didn’t know, McDonald isn’t a DE, he’s a NT, and he was hurt a lot of the year too. I’m also not sure what him winning a Super Bowl has to do with anything, but whatever. You are literally proving us right, so I hope you keep it up.

  25. DB55 Says:

    Name a 10+ sack guy who played as a rookie.
    Joey Bosa

  26. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    And to think some here were down on VH3’s rookie campaign. Psssss(SMH).

  27. Guzzie Says:

    We are still a couple of years from this team being a consistent contender, the type of team expected to be in the playoffs, last year offense was a major problem, next year it’s going to be defensive line and cornerback that needs attention early in the draft and free agency, Spence and Gholston are the only proven guys under 28

  28. LakeLandBuc Says:

    This is SportingCharts definition of a QB hurry: A quarterback hurry is counted when a defender either forces a quarterback out of the pocket or pressures the throw. It doesn’t necessarily mean that the defender actually forced the quarterback to make a bad throw. Hurries are often a good indicator of a team’s pass rush. Just because a player is not getting sacks, it does not mean he is not a good pass rusher, because hurrying the quarterback into a poor decision can be just as effective.

    My question is, how can you get QB hurries when teams are picking your secondary apart with timing routes?

  29. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    What Realist!!! said @ Gil. As for Spawn I was already a believer but I became an even bigger believer when he went up against Tyrin Smith in the dallas game. Smith one of the if not best LT in football. Spawn was flying round his @$$ so fast. He was using every UFC rear neckid choke to contain him. It was then in my mind was like this kid gone be special. Didn’t record a sack but he was causing fits in that one on one matchup.

  30. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Go back and watch it..

  31. Ndog Says:

    Ok we will just all accept and cheer for guy who looks at the 4th quarter as a vacation.

  32. Ndog Says:

    Excuse after excuse after excuse. When does it stop?

  33. LakeLandBuc Says:

    We haven’t had a ‘stable’ secondary in 10 years. We haven’t made the playoffs in 10 years. When DBs leave us, they disappear, no one want them. The few that’s still in the league are sitting on someone bench.

  34. Defense Rules Says:

    LakeLandBuc, comparing our 1999 team with more recent teams like you did really got me thinking (never a good thing … it hurts & I waste a lot of time). Went back on and looked at how our 1999, 2000, 2001 & 2002 teams compared from a defensive standpoint (as we all know, our 2002 team was the classic because we gave up less than 200 pts and ranked #1).

    If you look at just DLine performance, you can see clearly how each year it took 2 DLinemen to really make things happen. In 1999, we ranked #3 defensively … Marcus Jones (7 sacks) & Warren Sapp (12.5 sacks) set the pace. In 2000, we ranked #7 defensively … again Jones (13 sacks) & Sapp (16.5 sacks) set the pace. In 2001, we ranked #8 defensively … Simeon Rice (11 sacks) & Sapp (6 sacks) set the pace. And in 2002, our SB year, we ranked #1 defensively … Rice (15.5 sacks) & Sapp (7.5 sacks) set the pace. During that span the Bucs averaged 46 sacks per yr.

    Interestingly, during those 4 yrs the DLine as a unit had 148 of the team’s 183 total sacks (81%). Last season our DLine had 28 of the team’s total 38 sacks (74%) & no one came close to the double-digits we saw back in the 1999-2002 span. One way to look at it is that Bucs need a beastly DE who can put up double-digit sacks like Jones & Rice did back then.

  35. LakeLandBuc Says:

    When was the last time we had a Pro-Bowl ( other than the year Darrelle Revis was voted in on his reputation)? I believe it was Ronde Barber in 2008, 9 seasons ago.

  36. LakeLandBuc Says:

    A Pro Bowl DB..Safety or CB.

  37. Patrickbucs Says:

    When you play a Cleveland twice a year and Flacco twice, plus two of the worst lines in football you will get some great stats for Cincy and Steelers players.

  38. LakeLandBuc Says:

    Even Aqib Talib and Darrelle Revis was Toast in the Bucs secondary, because of the trash around them.

  39. Ndog Says:

    You guys kill me, just admit we don’t have any great d lineman and you see our problem. We need to focus on our dine next draft as the only possible great player on our dline is Spence and the jury is clearly still out on him.McCoy can be a good number 3 d lineman but that’s about it as he is not a temperature setter.

  40. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Ndog, lol you are literally just incapable of admitting you are wrong.

  41. Dano Says:

    No doubt about it, this DLine needs to produce. The guys can’t seem to stay healthy so that will be the key.

  42. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    You’re too funny. You try to make a point by asking a question, then when your question is exposed, you just keep on hating. When does it stop? Maybe you should learn who Carlos Dunlap is, then come and talk.

  43. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Don’t worry about it. He’s still trying to figure out what is the difference between a DT and a DE, and who Carlos Dunlap is.

  44. Ndog Says:

    Nothing exposed he is a average player that disappear’s in the 4th quarter and he admits it. I am done hoping for him to get better as it is not happening.

  45. Ndog Says:

    Dunlap has 8.5 sacks last year how is that dominate? Tell us all that tough guys. Yet Atkins still was way better than McCoy. So let’s hear your excuse for that.

  46. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    So now it’s all about sacks now? The point of the article is about hurries. Where does Dunlap rank there? Oh wait, that doesn’t fit the narrative. I’m sure you’ve never seen Dunlap play, so your ignorance is obvious. And since you love stats so much, McCoy has statistically been on par with his total stats in the fourth quarter. But I bet you don’t care about stats when it comes to that.

  47. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    This clown doesn’t think Carlos Dunlap is a really good DE, miles better than anyone we have! I’m literally dying laughing at this ignorant fool.

  48. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    I think we’ll be okay in this department next season. The main reason is I strongly believe we’ll be playing alot of football with the lead next season. Thusly forcing teams into more passing situations. A few of our guys catch there fair share of flack but if I see flashes then I feel confident in the fact a player is capable of doing something on the field. Swaggy Siliga and Tui make it harder to run on us next season. I saw Jac get after people when healthy I saw Spawn as rookie with a bad shoulder get after people I saw Ayers when the ankle wasn’t an issue get after people. The pre season doesn’t count but we were eating QB’s last pres season. Once the communication became clear for strecth late last season we were eating QB’s. Could another one be added sure, but this off season was about getting Fameis more ammo. Did that. Thank Gawd. We coming bros. We coming.

  49. Ndog Says:

    There you go Hawaiian start the name calling that’s how you prove you point. Again tell us why McCoy quoted people that he repects said the exact same thing as me, but apparently they are all “clowns and fools” as well. You the difference between me and you is actually watch every play of every game (8 times a year live) so I see the plays he takes off, I see the 4th quarters he plays patty cake with a guard 1 on 1. But see you choose to ignore that and say he made the pro bowl or he voted a top 100 player. I don’t care about that crap. I watch Donald take over games, I watched Sapp take over games I watched John Randle take over games, heck I’ve watched Suh take over games but McCoy never takes over games and HE WAS THE #3 OVERALL PICK. Has some freaking higher expectations.

  50. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I went to 13 games last year, in person. Plus 2 preseason. Plus multiple training camp practices. Not sure what the hell you’re talking about. I guess you didn’t hear what Mike Smith said about his alleged 4th quarter struggles. Then again, research is clearly not your thing. I’m just happy to be graced with a talent evaluator of your skill level. It’s great you see something no one else does.

  51. Ndog Says:

    No one but people McCoy himself talks to, plus I’ve never said a word about his talent it’s his desire, will and effort that I question. If he cared even close to as much as we do he would be dominate.

  52. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Hawaiian and Ndog I really feel like somewhere in the middle you both will be pleased with the production next season.

  53. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Okay now that’s where I’ll chime in on the debate because what Ndog just said at 1:37 is where I stand.

  54. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    No-one can question his pure talent.

  55. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    So you are judging how much he cares? Do you know him? Are you able to get inside his head? I’m done with you. Clearly the beat down I’ve been giving you has messed up your head. At this point, I’m trying to help you out. You sound stupid and desperate. Everyone here sees it. You’re embarrassing yourself by trying to argue a point you are clearly losing. Live to fight another day, because I feel bad about what I’ve done to you. Please forgive me.

  56. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Aside from Jameis, no one on this team has a better work ethic than McCoy. There have been too many people on the team and in the organization that have said so to argue against it. Yet people question how much he cares? Lol. I guess they want him to beat up children after a loss. I’ve seen him and Jameis sign autographs for 45 minutes after a loss. I guess neither cares as much as us. Smh

  57. Buc1987 Says:

    Calm down Realist.

    Gil acknowledged the secondary won the day. Oh what could have been with a solid pass rush…. is on point imo.

  58. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    But 87 did that unit not lead the league in sacks for a five or six week stretch??? I can’t understand how no one seems to recall this fact. I say it everyday.

  59. Blake_bucsfan Says:


    The very same metric, pass hurries, that you are trying to use to prove that Geno Atkins is so much better to McCoy, shows flat out that Carlos Dunlap was the *8th* best player in that category with 29 pass hurries to go with his 8.5 sacks on the year.

    Geno Atkins was 3rd with 36 hurries. Gmc 34th with 19. The next 2 Bucs on the list, Noah Spence and Rob Ayers were numbers 87 and 89 with 12 a piece. And both guys dealt with injuries.

  60. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    That is why I’m optimistic about next season. Smitty said this time last year they were at 2 + 2. He said this year they are at calculus. I really think if we give it a little patience we’ll all be somewhat happy with the results.

  61. Pit Says:

    whoever called him the ice-cream man got the name perfectly.

  62. SB Says:

    I had to put ndog in the same “do not read” list as tmax
    The more of his posts I read the dumber I got.

  63. The Buc Realist Says:


    What did he expect!!!!! Between the injuries and the installing of the new scheme with brand new Defensive Coordinator, what did he expect??? From what this defense was in 2015 to what it became in 2016, what did he expect??? Because it sounds like he expected the D-line to look like the 1999 bucs???? Because no defense will be good to some if it is not the Tampa2 front 4 dominate that everyone saw!!!!!

    Well I have a good feeling the defense will just be fine, (and it won’t look like the Tampa2 sheep)!!!!!!!!! And when you look at this team, does it now look like a defense first, hold them to 2 scores while the offense punts????

    That is not the Bucs now a days!!!

    Tell gil to write an open letter about that!!!!! And print it on toilet paper because that is about what those open letters are worth!!!!!!!

    GO BUCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  64. LargoBuc Says:

    I am hopeful that Spence will make a Vic Beasley like leap in year two. Keyword hopeful. Because defensive end has been so devoid of talent the past twelve years its hard for me to get truly excited about anyone that plays the position until I “see it”.
    Seriously if you look at the roster the last twelve years, off the top of my head I dont think we’ve had less talent at any one position than defensive end.

  65. LargoBuc Says:

    Realist I think most are indifferent in terms of what defensive scheme we run as long as it’s productive.

  66. Destinjohnny Says:

    Our gm passed on some awesome d lineman in the last two drafts.
    Last year we traded up for a kicker when there was so much talent on the books.

  67. Steven007 Says:

    SB, I hear you. Realist, I have a question. And this is an honest question, I’m not trying to be a jerk. But what compels you to either keep your finger on a specific punctuation mark or tap that punctuation mark repeatedly in an excessive manner in every post you make? One would suffice. Two or three we understand to mean that you really really mean it! Anything more than that is just superfluous. Now at the end of the day I don’t really care but as I said I am curious.

  68. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    007 that’s been Realist!!! style since I discovered jbf bro. I even bit it wit three ???s when I post.

  69. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Now what he just said is accurate. People are acting like we didn’t install a whole new defense. I can’t stress it enough patience people.

  70. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    To lead the league in any category after doing so tells me we are on to something. Mike Smith coming back was the best thing to happen to this team.

  71. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Blake I just realized McDowell ended up Seattle. Two words “d@$# bro”.

  72. Scbucsfan Says:

    There is no doubt the DL has to improve as does about every aspect of this team, the question is are the right players here for the scheme and can they make that improvement. Having Smith back for another year, IMHO, is huge. I don’t expect the line to be dominant but I think it can be good.

  73. The Buc Realist Says:


    Then why did gil bring up if we miss the Kiffen/Tampa2 days??? Why are the sheep always asking where the next S. Rice is going to be???? believe me, they care about scheme!!!!!

    But maybe we should all play the “what could have been” game!!!!!!

    What could have been, if we did not waste 2 years with Incompetent one!!!!!
    What could have been, if dominik said the truth that the gm job was too big for him!!!!!!!
    What could have been, if GMC drove that ice cream truck to Tmaxcon’s house and they shared a push-pop!!!!
    What could have been, if gil wrote a good and informative article!!!!!!!!!

    Go BUCS!!!!!!!!!

  74. macabee Says:

    No effective speed rush from the right end since DE Simeon Rice? Patience is virtue. Complete the LSU trilogy – ILB Kwon Alexander, OLB Kendell Beckwith, And 2018 RDE edge rusher Arden Key – the next Aldon Smith without the booze. Problem solved!

  75. Rod Munch Says:

    The Bucs made no effort to sign Olivier Vernon last season and it made no sense. The guy is still young, hasn’t hit his prime yet – and sure he’s expensive, but his salary is what the Bucs are paying Ayers, George Johnson and Gholston combined. Which would rather have?

  76. Jim Says:

    Pass rush is the key to the playoffs.

  77. mrcajones Says:

    @The Buc Realist Says “what could have been had GMC drive that ice cream truck to tmaxcons house and they shared a pushpop”…funny $h>t there dude…needed more punctuation tho…..

  78. Devildogbuc Says:

    Our dline is ten times better now with chris baker he will get doubled with mccoy cause he’s that good and he can beat double teams

  79. Capt.Tim Says:

    Hawaiian just gave ndog an epic beatdown!!!
    Tyson vs Spinks

    At the end, ndog was kinda just begging!!

    “Come on guys, I know I look like a fool- but please hate McCoy anyway!”

    Congrats Hawaiian- one for the record books

    Troll beatings
    5/14/17 Hawiian crushes troll ndog