Robert Ayers Calls Noah Spence “A 15-Sack Guy”

May 10th, 2017

Leaving fellow Bucs fishing for words

Defensive end Robert Ayers was a one-man fireworks show in the media room of One Buc Palace today.

The only thing missing for Joe was popcorn and cold beer.

Ayers, in addition to Mike Smith, raved big time about second-year defensive end Noah Spence. And this comes on the heels of Jason Licht telling Joe and columnist eye-RAH! Kaufman in late March that Spence “is an animal.”

Man, Spence is impressing like no other injured/rehabbing player Joe has ever seen. The dude played with his bum shoulder nearly all of last season before offseason surgery. Spence splashed, but his stats were modest and he certainly wasn’t special against the run.

But everyone inside One Buc Palace seems to see a Buccaneer ready to explode to record heights.

Ayers told media Spence can be “a 15-sack guy” this year.

He was dead serious.

Ayers said Spence is that “hungry” and that talented.

As you’ll hear Kaufman jokingly ask in his podcast tomorrow morning, “Can we just start with 10 sacks, please?”

Joe’s loving the big talk about Spence. It’s fun and so encouraging. Joe remembers Derrick Brooks saying how impressed he was standing on the Bucs sideline watching some of the nuances and get-off in Spence’s game.

Man, if Spence is a double-digit sack guy (forget about the 15 mark), then Team Glazer needs to fork over massive cash to extend general manager Jason Licht’s contract in a hurry.

110 Responses to “Robert Ayers Calls Noah Spence “A 15-Sack Guy””

  1. unbelievable Says:

    If he stays healthy, I absolutely see that in his future. (Maybe not 15, but 10+ for sure).

    The best pure pass rusher in the 2016 draft. 2nd round steal by Jason Licht!



  2. tmaxcon Says:

    Love ayers enthusiasm and positive demeanor much more encouraging than that of the leader of the losing culture depressing and defeated mindset during his press time

  3. tnew Says:

    Maybe he was more hurt last year than the Bucs let on.

  4. The Buc Realist Says:

    The most amazing thing was how quick other teams switch extra protection to NS57 side and he was still able to apply pressure thru those double teams!!!!!

    This kid was a big reason why the defense looked good when it was humming and “choking out teams”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. Lord Cornelius Says:

    My favorite pick in that draft. I was fine with the idea of taking him R1 lol

  6. Lamarcus Says:

    About that raise. That’s why martin needs to do his best. Cutting him after the whiz quiz only a year into contract should hurt his resume

  7. Fred E. Bucs Says:

    Call ’em what you want. Let’s see it. Like Derrick Brooks reviewing to call Carnell Williams “Cadillac”….show me.

    Oh yes, let’s be enthusiastic, supporting…but talk is cheap.

  8. tnew Says:

    LC… He was the guy I wanted all along last year too. After every pick starting at about 20 I was hoping for a trade into the first. I was almost as surprised that he lasted to where he did as much as this year with Howard lasting to 19. There is a tremendous young nucleus building. I really chuckle at those that think Licht is doing a poor job. This is becoming a solid team.

  9. BigPoppaBuc Says:

    He IS an animal. Had a hell of a rookie year for a DE and showed that his size isn’t a negative. He’s strong enough to improve against the run with more experience. His pass rushing skills are just exciting to watch because we know eventually this guy is going to put it all together and just make fools out of most tackles.

  10. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    In his short time with us Ayers has been a straight shooter who doesn’t blow smoke. He has no reason to sing Spence’s praises other than what he’s seeing on the field and in workouts.

    I cannot control my enthusiasm. It’s almost like the offense is going to get all the pub because of the off season additions but the defense is actually going to improve even more! What if we had a terrific competition between two young units trying to outdo each other. How cool would that be?

  11. Lord Cornelius Says:

    “tnew Says:
    May 10th, 2017 at 5:11 pm
    LC… He was the guy I wanted all along last year too. After every pick starting at about 20 I was hoping for a trade into the first. I was almost as surprised that he lasted to where he did as much as this year with Howard lasting to 19.”

    For sure man. I had a crazy rush of joy when we got Spence where we did; followed by a sick feeling in my stomach when we traded up for Aguayo lol. That was the only pick Light’s made that really bothered me in the moment. Still hoping he pans out though. It made my wife happy because we’re FSU fans but i was like ughhhh.

    Was also not happy with the Sims pick when it was made; but not on an aguayo level. I just thought we needed to go O-line there and the guys I liked in that range have done really well as full time starters. Been happy with every other pick at the time it was made pretty much; including ASJ even – I just didn’t know that guy was such a headcase.

  12. Steven007 Says:

    @Cancermax –

    Sorry Maxi, I ruined your argument yesterday (no really, I did). The DT is never the leader of the winning or losing culture on an NFL squad. Is stud Aaron Donald inexplicably the leader of the Rams losing culture? Ha, whatever. Is Suh leader of the Lions/Dolphins losing culture? Silly notion. On the other hand who do you think the leader of the winning culture on the Pats is? DT Malcolm Brown? Pffft, don’t be silly. Of course not. It’s Brady. How about the Broncos from 2 years ago? Was Sylvester Williams or Malik Jackson the leader of the winning culture? Nope, even heavily neutered it was Peyton Manning. Because that’s just how it is. Just like it’s JW on the Bucs (and Freeman/McCown before him). Tired statement dude. And wrong to boot. But we’re used to it..

  13. LakeLandBuc Says:

    Robert Ayers said Noah Spence can be a 15 sack guy. Jack smith can be a 15 sack guy if he can stay healthy for a 16 game season.

  14. SB Says:

    Ouch. Steven putting Tmax in his place. Don’t know if he is smart enough to realize you did it though. And you are right Steven, we are so used to it that I make sure to read who posted the comment before reading it and making myself dumber than I was . 🙂

  15. Mike Johnson Says:

    15 sack guy huh? Prove it!

  16. gotbbucs Says:

    If they get smart and start running more hybrid stuff, then yes, Spence could be a beast.

  17. Dooshlarue Says:

    Where was Ol’ Softie 93 when Ayers made this proclamation?
    Getting ice cream and a new pair of cool eye glasses ?

    I don’t agree with Tmax on his Drug Martin evaluation…..but that surly som bioch is spot on when it comes to Aunt Geraldine.

    Once he’s gone, the defense will be BADASS!


  18. JimmyJack Says:

    We need a three down guy at DE that can make some plays. Spence seems to have some ability but not sure he can become the DE we need. Time will tell.

  19. Dooshlarue Says:

    Oh, wait……I totally forgot he is a 3 technique pro bowler…….
    No really……..he needs to go.

  20. SB Says:

    Once he’s gone, the defense will be BADASS!

    Lol add Doosh to the short bus list.

  21. Destinjohnny Says:

    If we would have drafted Sheldon rankings and Noah both.
    We would be formidable

  22. JimmyJack Says:

    Can you dreamers calm down with McCoy. He’s been a great player for us. Elite… Stop dreaming about Sapp V2 because that’s a dream you moronic bucsvision clueless fans.

    NEWSFLASH…….There will never be another Sapp…….Some fanbases have never seen an elite player at his position……..McCoy has accomplished more in his career then can realistically be expected(only the dreamers expect more).

    Set you childish dreams aside and realise they were never going to come true. If you want a player to bish about pick one of our many below average players.

  23. SB Says:

    We play 16 games a year and if you ask those 13 different DCs, who get paid millions of dollars, who the First Player they game plan for ALL of them will say #93. However we have a group of burger flippers, and delivery drivers around here who think he sux. Do yourselves a favor and watch professional knitting or something.

  24. Micheal Says:

    I’m truly starting to think that all the people that want McCoy off this team are secretly fans of other teams that are still butt hurt their team didn’t draft him!!! If the people that he ‘plays with or against’ consistently rank him near the top of DTs, how can you say from your couch that he all this bullsh*t you claim him to be. Give it a rest, if you knew ‘how to’ or where capable of playing then you’d be in his shoes instead of complaining about him!

  25. LakeLandBuc Says:

    Gerald McCoy, 33 Sacks during the last 4 seasons. If we could get similar production from our Edge-Rushers we would have a Top-5 Defense every year.

  26. Dooshlarue Says:

    I don’t want Sapp 2.0.
    I just want a DT that plays with fire in his belly and doesn’t smile when we lose.
    Sapp was an A hole, ever since he did his stupid little stomp dance through the Packers pre game.
    I’ll give Softie93 credit for not being a jerk…..but nothing more .
    He needs to go.

  27. DEFF JEFF Says:

    63>99>97>93>every other lineman in Bucs history.

  28. Dooshlarue Says:

    And please, don’t go on about his stats.
    Like Joe always says….stats don’t really matter.
    His stats are mostly garbage.
    I think he’s had maybe 2 game changing plays in his over-hyped/overpaid career.

    He needs to go, and I bet Licht can’t wraith for his heinous contract to be off the books.

    Hate on me all you want, he needs to go.

  29. SB Says:

    We don’t hate on you Doosh. We feel sorry for you. Stupid is as stupid does and nothing can fix that.

  30. JimmyJack Says:

    Shut up doosh. You named yourself doosh and then you come in here and talk utter nonsense like a brainless fool.

    I know credibilty means next to nothing on a chat room but you, bro, have none.

    I would tell you to come see me when you have something rational to say……but……well…….you named yourself.

  31. Dooshlarue Says:


    I like players that play with passion and want to win.

    McCoy…….yeah right

  32. Dooshlarue Says:

    Let’s have some fun!

  33. Buccfan37 Says:

    Encouraging sack artist indeed. Is his shoulder fully healed?

  34. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    GMC could do three things this season that would turn around the detractors.

    In one game he could get caught stomping on an opponent’s hand.

    In another game replays could show him kneeing an OL in the groin.

    And in yet another game he could come out of a pile wrestling wildly with another guy who is accusing GMC of all types of unsportsmanlike things.

    If GMC did those three things this year those who currently dis him would then love him.

  35. SB Says:

    Dude it sounds like your idea of having fun is sticking your hands in fans. No thanks. Carry on with your mouth breathing.

  36. SB Says:

    Lol SPBF. You are correct there.

  37. JimmyJack Says:

    Oh I see you don’t like him so he has to go……..Yeah no thanks to that ridiculous idea.

    Getting rid of good players because you don’t like them……that’s rich bro…..even for a dreamer and even for a doosh

  38. Dooshlarue Says:

    You hear a lot about team chemistry on winning teams.
    So, since Softie was drafted, how many winning seasons have we had?
    Oh yeah…..except for last year (Jamies) we’ve had one…. and if memory serves, that was the year Softie didn’t enjoy.

    Talk about your short bus…….

    Oh wait….. he’s had different DCs👍🏻👍🏻

    The ultimate excuse for a loser.

  39. Dooshlarue Says:

    I don’t want a dirty player at DT, I just want a player who makes a difference when it counts.
    It doesn’t have to be a Suh, who I don’t care for, just give us a freaking game changer when it counts.

    If and when we get one, I’ll buy all you crybabys all you can eat Soft Serve ice cream…… and we can smile and help each other up and make stupid pregame speeches.

  40. LakeLandBuc Says:

    If Gerald McCoy stats don’t matter, why Jameis Winston stats matter so much? I’m confused here, someone help me out. One guy stats matter and the other guy stats don’t matter. Yet they play on the same team.

  41. JimmyJack Says:

    Yeah doosh. He had a lot of losing seasons. What is your point? That we should have been tearing up the league with Gleenon or McCownen or Freeman. Your trying to say them teams underperformed because of McCoy. Give it a freaking break dude. Those were bad teams led by manage.ent that wasn’t bringing in talent.

    Your gonna blame McCoy then tell me what he did cause your argument is nothing then a brainless thought. What your gonna say? Because he got injured?……. Don’t look now muchambo but his career has proven that he is in the upper echelon of DTs in the durability Dept.

  42. LakeLandBuc Says:

    Jameis Winston throws for 4,000 yards in his first 2 seasons in the NFL…hooray, hooray, hooray for America’s QB. ………….Gerald McCoy is a 4 time Pro-Bowl player, 1st team All-Pro player, a top DT in the NFL, 33 Sacks in his last 4 seasons…….sooooooooo his stats don’t matter. looool this is a total joke.

  43. SB Says:


  44. BigMacAttack Says:

    Sounds good to me but I just want to see cohesiveness and continuous performance improvement from the d line unit. If they all beast up together, double teaming will be ineffective. One band, one sound.

  45. Dooshlarue Says:

    Wow, you guys have helped me see the light.
    I was so misguided and I appreciate you all setting me straight.

    GMC is the man and he will take us to the SB this year.
    Smiles and ice cream and maybe, just maybe…..puppy dog kisses.

  46. JimmyJack Says:

    He doesn’t have to take us to the SB you doosh. You’re not smart enough to understand the point.

    The point is you came into room and starting calling for McCoys head. You may have gotten positive feedback if he was a poor player but he is a probowler. Don’t come into a room for Bucs fans and start calling for our better player to be fired. Should keep that thought to yourself cause nobody that knows a lick about football will ever agree with you.

    I guess every fan base needs a few dooshs. Glad you cheer for the right team just wish you knew more about the game

  47. Dooshlarue Says:

    I don’t want him fired.
    I want him traded.
    Perhaps he can bring smiles and happiness to another franchise.
    It just seems so unfair that we Bucs fans get all of his goodness.
    Let the great GMC spread the happiness around.

    And just for the record Ricky Bobby….errr…. I mean Jimmy Jack, I’ve been in the room here a long time and have been a Bucs fan since 1976.

  48. Blake_bucsfan Says:


    Gmc may not be Sapp. He may not be a ball of fire, or a world beater that can put a sorry team on his back. But he is a really good player. And one to this day is one of the best pass rushing defensive tackles in the NFL.

    You do not become a better team by getting rid really good players. That’s the cut and dry fact of the matter. A fact that will never change.

    Gerald McCoy can 100 percent be a vital piece in a winning football team. In fact, he’s the most successful Bucs draft pick currently on the squad. Twice now, Gmc has been a part of a winning team that missed the playoffs due to NFL tiebreakers.

    But I digress, this is the most talented defensive group Gerald McCoy has ever been a part of. Assuming he is healthy for the majority of this season, he should have a great year.

    So yeah… suck it.

  49. SB Says:

    I have been a fan since 76 as well. An I will tell you the same thing I tell the carpenters I hire when they spout off that they have been doing it this way for 20 years. “Just because you have been doing something wrong for 20 years doesn’t make you right”
    STOP being an Idiot in thinking that you know more than the Professionals that get PAID to do what they do. You are freaking CLUELESS to the game of football if you Blatantly state that you know more than NFL DCs. Stupid, Clueless, Moronic, etc. etc.
    Save some face and go freshen up

  50. Kevinthepainterimagine Says:

    Lord C I would have been fine with round one as well, but Jason Licht is good!

    Spence is a monster and Jason Licht DOES NEED TO GET PAID!

  51. Kevinthepainterimagine Says:

    Glad we got V.H still he impressed a rookie last year

  52. Dooshlarue Says:

    Watch the games closely and you will see.
    I don’t profess to be omnipotent when it comes to DTs, but I know heart when I see it and he doesn’t have it … and this is big….when it counts.

    If I’m not mistaken, all you guys are Princess on Friday-Nole on Saturday-Bucs on Sunday butt-ies….

    So I guess I understand now.

    Gee…. I wish I was in the cool kids club.

  53. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    LOL you must be new. NosBos doesn’t like Gerald McCoy either.

    And you’re both wrong.

  54. Mo_Downs Says:

    None of the questions posed so far can really be known with “certainty” until AFTER the season.


    While all the #’s look encouraging, in a vacuum, the arbitrary nature of injuries and their effect across an otherwise, in a vacuum, healthy and highly skilled roster should at least make a 20% loss of potential (offense and defense) a part of any analysis.

    Any long term football fan knows this and is tempered by it.

    One other thing about coaches. The Pats and Packers don’t always have the most depth or even starting quality players across all positions. Nor, are they immune from the “20% Rule”. They seem to have a coaches who can use their playbook(s) to cover for injuries to key players and therefore negate the 20% Rule.

    Last season, I was MOST encouraged by the coaching and results in the 2nd half of last season. My obvious nod would go to Mike Smith for negating his 10% by patching together and, dare I say, BONDING in the secondary.

    Unfortunately, on offense, we didn’t have any consistant answers in the RED ZONE due to a lack of quality targets(?). Yeah, I think we addressed that in the offseason so I’m looking forward to the improved coaching, improved depth and starting talent translating into more wins.

    Go Bucs..!!

  55. SB Says:

    Hey Blake……..T to the R to the O to the double L.
    Every last one of ’em

  56. JimmyJack Says:

    For the second time your ridiculous comment have given en you as much credibility as your chosen name does. You obvisous don’t know squat about football since you want to trade talent for u known draft picks.

    Your advocating for our team to tear apart talent from the team because McCoy tore apart your dreams of being a new Sapp.

    Get a clue and realize elite players can come from any position, not just Sapps old position. And you don’t need superstars at every spot of the field to win.

    Now that you made all your senseless points please take your new dream of have McCoy traded for a HOF player out of here with you. And don’t let the doorknob hit you in the ass on the way out

  57. SB Says:

    @ Mo Downs

  58. Buc15 Says:

    steven = 1
    tmax = 0

  59. Blake_bucsfan Says:


    Lol true stuff bud.

    I’m so pumped for training camp.

  60. Scbucsfan Says:

    Anyone realistically think we trade McCoy and we need up stronger up the middle? Of course not. Negative people just need things to vent on. When they win the lottery they complain about the taxes. All you can do is feel sorry for them, you can’t change their minds as their decisions aren’t based on logic.

  61. SB Says:

    I’m out fellas. School function for the boy tonight.

  62. SB Says:

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  63. Jeagan1999 Says:

    This guy has Von Miller-type physical abilities! If he can stay healthy, I foresee some big numbers out of Spence!

  64. JimmyJack Says:

    Of course we’ll never change their mind but we have to fight their opinions. If we don’t they will infect others and have us acting like Philly fans. Anytime they don’t win a title they run their best players out of town. Rather then trust in management they point the finger at whichever high salary player doesn’t play like a first ballot HOF.

    Sorry dreamers we are smarter then that here in Tampa

  65. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Now that was ground breaking insight there 007. 👏 bravo to you with that weak @$$ s@$!. And I caught that content from the other thread. When I want for some of your whack @$$ adulation I’ll require you give me some until then spare me that corny @$$ praise. Funny thing is you claim that my obsession line was the smartest thing you’ve read from,hmm. Kinda hard to believe considering I been making that pats point about sacks for months now. Dork. Good to see you flattered by muy style.. Dude.

  66. JimmyJack Says:

    Nole……Put the sauce down my friend. Not one thing you just said even qualifies as a legible thought.

    my best guess is that you are a pile of grade school boys all huddled on top of another all hitting the keyboard at the same time.

    If that’s not the case I suggest you go fill your belly or go wash your ass or hit your head with a hammer or do whatever it is you should be doing right now.

  67. Dooshlarue Says:

    Hey JJ, did I even mention draft picks?

    And SB, buy
    your boy an ice cream cone when his function is done…..and watch him suck it.

    That was a low blow even for dooshlarue….perhaps a participation trophy would suffice.

    Just make sure he has fun!

  68. LakeLandBuc Says:

    I hope Noah Spence has a breakout season 2 like Vic Beasley.

  69. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Jimmyjack mind ya f@$!@$$ business.

  70. JimmyJack Says:

    hey doosh. so that’s where you are going with this? That you didn’t specifically mention draft picks.

    I bet this argument is exactually like your romantic life. Starts off really weird then runs out of steam very quickly.

    You can come back as many times as you like. Most Tampa fans know their football and will always be one here to knock you down you doosh

  71. JimmyJack Says:

    whatever you say Nole. I’m sorry to upset you.I’d like for you to enjoy your puberty.

  72. NFLNut Says:

    Sacks are great but can be over-rated … Clowney was a dominant monster last year and tons of dudes who were way less impactful had more “sacks” than him …

  73. NFLNut Says:


    Let’s weed out the weak posters … like … TAMPA TONY ….

    All quotes are from a post by Tampa Tony … everything else is by yours truly.

    “So does that mean Ira, Koetter, Licht and many many many others are wrong that Jameis needs to cut down on his turnovers?”

    Yes, that’s what I meant. They should all be saying Jameis needs to turn the ball over more. Don’t be stupid! ALL QB’s “should” turn the ball over less, duh. However, HISTORICAL FACTS prove that the amount of turnovers a QB has has very little to do with his success or how great he is. Again, 20 of the 51 SB era years, a HOF QB has “led the league” in interceptions. Jameis hasn’t done so even one yet and may never do so, but the facts are the facts whether you like them or not.

    “41 turnovers in 32 games is not a good stat line.”

    It’s a fine stat line considering with what he’s been working with. Andrew Luck who was drafted by a team just one year removed from playing in the conference title game and which was loaded has had 75 turnovers in 54 games over 4 of his 5 years, or 1.39 per game … Jameis was drafted by the laughing stock of the NFL and has averaged 1.28 per game. Jameis also already has a higher CAREER completion percentage than Luck despite Luck having 5 years in the league.

    “Yeah, there are some QB’s who turned it over who are HOFers doesn’t mean that will be Winston (I hope it is) but as your list shows those QB’s might lead the league in INT’s for a season but never consecutively and don’t consistently turn it over like Jameis”.

    Tampa Tony … Jameis has never led the league in INT’s even once, let alone consecutively so I’m not sure what your point is, however even if he had you’d be wrong as Joe Namath did so … twice. And, yes, many of those QB’s consistently turned it over … Namath, Favre and Eli especially.

    “The true franchise QB’s of the modern game Brady, Rodgers, Carr, Ryan, Brees, Wilson, and Rothelisberger are accurate and protect the football for the most part. The franchise label needs to be earned and not just thrown around for pr purposes”

    You lost all credibility putting Derek Carr in the above list. The guy had one great year playing with some of the best offensive talent in the NFL and behind the best offensive line in the AFC … Jameis’ first two years obliterate Carr’s first 2 years in the league … you’re goofy!

    Your inclusion of Russell Wilson is also goofy imho. The best stat to measure any QB is QBR and Jameis had a higher QBR as a 22 year old than Russell did last year as a 28 year old … if Russell is elite, Jameis is more so. By the way, even though Wilson is little more than a Dak Prescott-eque game-manager he has only thrown 45 picks in 80 games, he has also fumbled 46 times in 80 games for a total of 91 in 80 games … as a game-manager …

    BEN ROETHLISBERGER turns the ball over quite a bit! He led the league in interceptions before and even last year had 13 picks and 8 fumbles in just 14 games … that’s 1.5 turnovers per game … Jameis had 24 turnovers in 16 games or the same 1.5 … and he was 22 years old!

    DREW BREES: has always turned the ball over a lot … 220 picks and 96 fumbles for a total of 316 in just 223 games!

    MATT RYAN: has had one great year, at the age 31, in the 8 years before that he threw 107 picks and fumbled 45 times for 152 turnovers in 126 games.

    TOM BRADY … in his first 6 years of playing (after his quasi redshirt year backing up Drew Bledsoe) he threw 78 picks and fumbled a WHOPPING 69 times for a total of 147 in just 95 games which means Brady was MORE TURNOVER PRONE ON AVERAGE THROUGH HIS FIRS 6 YEARS THAN JAMEIS HAS BEEN AT THE AGE OF 21 & 22!

    AARON RODGERS: Seeing as Rogers didn’t even throw his first TD pass until he was TWENTY-FOUR years old (Jameis will probably have 125+ by then) and had four turnovers BEFORE he ever even threw his first NFL TD, it’s sort of a weird comparison … but … if we just take Rodgers first two years of full-time football which was when he was 25 and 26 years of age, in those 32 games he threw 20 picks and fumbled 20 times .. 40 turnovers in 32 games or 1.25 per game … at the age of 25-26 …

    TAMPA TONY … for the sake of Bucs fans everywhere and to prove that mere common sense exists in this ark world, you should post the following:

    “NFLNut, thank you for showing me the error of my ways, I was wrong. Jameis is the greatest and most accomplished 23 year old QB ever and doesn’t take a back seat to any other all-time great QB at this stage of his career. From here on out, I will rejoice in the fact that my favorite team has such an unbelievable QB1.”


  74. Dooshlarue Says:

    Re read all the above JJ.
    You make a lot of Sh!t up.

    BTW, when did you get here?
    I don’t recall seeing your name before.

    Did Joe ban you and then you had to come up with that catchy moniker?

    I’ll wait while you look that word up.
    Maybe you can ask SB what it means.

    Go Bucs…… McCoy sucks!

  75. 1Gr8Buc Says:

    Ayers seemed completely unimpressed when asked about what Gerald had to say at his conference. When asked if he respected Gmac more for what he said his response was “not really, thats what you should think and do. He just had a mic in front of hia face.” feel like he is not very impressed with McCoy at all. Had great things to say about other guys on the line, not so much McCoy.

  76. Defense Rules Says:

    Started out being a really good thread on Noah Spence. As happens much too often, hijacked by trolls wanting to bash GMC or Roberto or Conte or whoever.


  77. Capt.Tim Says:

    If Spence truly becomes a great sack threat- it would fix the biggest hole in our defense.
    My fingers are crossed!
    I hope he gets 20 sacks!!

    Not gonna argue with tmaxipad, Douche, etc about McCoy.
    They are clueless.
    McCoy gets hurt early. – no playoffs.
    Hes almost as critical as Jameis

    Arguing with the clueless, is like wrestling a pig.
    It wont ever prove anything- and you are bound to get crap on you.

  78. Ndog Says:

    NFLNUT Outstanding! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  79. Steven007 Says:

    @NOS –

    Sorry man, I was just trying to prop you up much like a father does with a dim child. Corny a$$ praise is sometimes good for the children don’t you know? I was merely trying to be kind to the less fortunate. You can get back on the short bus now though. Clearly I’ve made an impression. And JimmyJack said the rest so I don’t have to. Sleep well and don’t wet the bed.

  80. NFLNut Says:

    ^ Thanks bro; I enjoyed writing it 🙂

  81. Steven007 Says:

    Agreed, good stuff NUT.

  82. LargoBuc Says:

    So when we win its because of the quarterback, which is highly probable. But when we lose its because of the…defensive tackle?
    Sorry but very seldom is a defensive tackle the main reason why we win or lose. Sure there are exceptions like Sapp, but usually the defensive tackle isnt going to impact our record. At least not to the degree of a quarterback or a linebacker. Maybe thats why teams shouldn’t draft an interior lineman in the top five.

  83. JimmyJack Says:

    doosh. About time you got lost. But I did want to thank you.

    Thanks for being aware enough to realize you are a doosh and naming yourself as such……..As I said before. All fanbases have a few dooshs but at least in Tampa our dooshs know that they are dooshs

  84. Steven007 Says:

    One more thing, NOS. The only thing you’ve been doing for months now is talking about a Minnesota Vikings running back. Sounds like you need a new team. Do you even know how to spell Minnesota? You can do a copy and paste. Check this out: Minnesota. Got it? Okay, pacifier back in check your diaper and back to bed NOSTROLLdamus. Get it? Didn’t think so.

  85. JimmyJack Says:

    The dreamers expected McCoy to be the field general and leader. Why? Because of who he was? Nope. For the dreamers it was more about who Sapp was. And it was because he was a high draft selection.

    They also think this because of his salary. See the dreamers believe in fantasy whereas if you draft a player with a top 5 pick and pay him a lot of money he will become the leader and carry the team to multi Super Bowls.

  86. JimmyJack Says:

    LOL NFLnut…….How come at the end of your rant you dissed all the best QBs in the League? You made then sound like a bunch of chumps. Hahaha

  87. Steven007 Says:

    JJ, it’s clearly Sapp hangover and money. Oh and the fact that he’s not a jerk like Suh or Sapp. Look at the top 10 pics of any draft and it’s rife with busts. GMC is clearly not a bust. He would never have gotten the second contract if he was. He’s also not a Hall of Famer. And I have said before that I wished he was a bit meaner. But he’s not. And that’s okay. He is one of 11 on defense. Before it’s all over we’re going to have a couple of a$$holes to even that out. The whole thing is just a silly and tired argument. And as has been stated many times before why wish away one of the better players on defense? We need all the good players we can get.

  88. LargoBuc Says:

    Nut your stance is backed up with many examples that display tangible facts. Gotta respect that.

  89. JimmyJack Says:

    Sapp hangover….way to call it.

    The funny thing is that they call him soft but in reality McCoy plays very physical with his hands.

    Not many players have that fire and meanstreak they can combine into greatness. That’s what makes it so special to have seen a player like Sapp was.

  90. Steven007 Says:

    JJ, as you surely know Sapp was one of a kind. John Randall came close but he didn’t have as much natural talent. Sapp had talent, attitude, balls, and elite athleticism for the position. GMC has talent, perhaps more natural talent than Sapp, but he’s clearly lacking on the attitude and balls aspect. He has pretty good athleticism too. I’m very curious to see how this year pans out with a little more general talent all around. And the continued influence of a veteran like Ayers.

  91. LargoBuc Says:

    Seriously, the team has struggled and the biggest culprit isnt bad coaching, or the gm’s inability to build a team (Dominik). It isnt garbage qb play, which can also be attributed to a lack of weapons, pass protection or any sort of running game to lean on. And out of all the defenders it isn’t the middle linebacker. It isnt the safety. It isnt the defensive end. It isnt piss poor coverage from the corners. It’s the freaking defensive tackles fault above anyone or anything else! Remember 2013 when we went 4-12. Our defensive tackle had 9.5 sacks. But tbe quarterback play was awful so those sacks didn’t do much when we could barely score. Oh but the defensive tackle should’ve done MORE! And when your defensive tackle is leading the defense in sacks with 9.5 of them, there are probably more than a few issues there too!

  92. NFLNut Says:

    Thanks for all the love guys 🙂

    Growing up a Lions fan and watching utter trash sling the rock while Billy Simms and Barry Sanders took a beating for nothing was rough, so now that the Bucs are my team, I recognize a great QB when I see it and Jameis is the real deal … that the stats and history of QB’s backs up what my eyes see is just gravy!

  93. Pickgrin Says:

    You kind of cherry picked those stats a bit though NFL Nut. Doesn’t make them invalid – but you didn’t really need to do that. Jameis Winston’s stats hold up fine. He’s not a finished product or anywhere near it and with only 2 years of College experience and 2 years of NFL experience to draw on – he’s already the best Buccaneer QB in franchise history by a wide margin. Anyone who wants to dispute that or say Winston is not a franchise QB is obviously way out on a very skinny limb. Just like maxi and the doosh with the GMC BS. Whats wrong with you sane posters feeding the trolls all evening?

  94. Steven007 Says:

    Pick, I basically agree with everything you said. Sometimes the trolls need a spanking. And I’m not at work for a change so I have a moment to get out the paddle. But honestly I agree with your last line as well. That is usually my stance and will typically be my stance. Just had some extra time on my hands this evening.

  95. NFLNut Says:

    Pickgrin … nothing was “cherry picked” … not a singe stat.

    Tampa Tony’s entire argument was about turnovers and he is the one that specifically mentioned every player I dealt with at the end of my write-up.

    Some people like hard facts and evidence, not just a simple “Jameis is only 22 and look what he’s done, obviously he’s great troll” and I like to provide such facts and evidence when I can.

    TRUTH sets people free and I love dropping truth!

  96. Pickgrin Says:

    Reposted from the other thread so I don’t have to write it again:

    Pickgrin Says:
    May 10th, 2017 at 11:46 pm
    Oh come on – don’t play coy NFLNut. You cherry picked the stats you cited. Last year only for Roethlisberger. Brees whole career. Ryan minus his best year, Brady 1st 6 years, Rodgers 1st 2 years he started…. You were all over the place choosing stats from top QBs careers at whatever point of their career best exemplified your desired point. The stats may be correct – but yes they were very selective.

    Jameis Winston’s stats are just fine at this point in his career and will improve with additional experience. He doesn’t need defending. Tony is just a naysayer when it comes to Winston and spending so much time and effort trying to prove him wrong with cherry picked stats is a fools errand…

  97. Steven007 Says:

    Largo, LOL. Not confident that too many on this blog we’ll get your sarcasm. But I enjoyed it.

  98. Steven007 Says:

    *will get…

  99. Pickgrin Says:

    And back to topic which very few were on point with tonight – Noah Spence was a flat out steal where he was drafted. On the level of Dalvin Cook. A top 15 talent drafted well into the 2nd round. I was literally screaming at Jason Licht through the TV about 10 minutes into the beginning of the 2nd round in last year’s draft as DEs flew off the board – “move up for Spence – Move up for Spence!!!” But he didn’t do it and 5 or 6 picks later Licht drafted Spence with the 39th pick. Man that took balls to sit there and sweat it out, trusting his intel apparently, while the best pure pass rusher in the class dropped pick after pick after pick in the 2nd round to his rightful home.

    The fact that Spence looked like he did in just his rookie year – literally playing with 1 arm a good bit of the season – I’m expecting a lot from this young man in the coming years. And I bet Noah will more than deliver.

  100. Buc1987 Says:

    My take has always been. GMC was the best player on a crappy team. Which brought microphones in his face. He then talked just a wee bit too much during the week. No fault of his own…I guess. The words didn’t match the play. The words matched the money. Yes they did…imo. I don’t care about others opinions as most of you know. Is he valuable to this team right now? I won’t argue. I don’t see why not, especially since he has paid his dues, by being on all those crappy teams. They’re putting something big together for us. GMC should be very much in the mix.

  101. Buc1987 Says:

    Oh back to topic?

    Really? Noah Spence is going to ball out for us this season.

    Enjoy it.

  102. Buc1987 Says:

    Oh wait…the words didn’t match the play of not only him, but the team and D overall. Yet GMC was the spokesman. That just my take anyways. GMC used the wrong words during the week cause they rarely showed up on the field.

  103. NFLNut Says:

    PICKGRIN … reposted from the other thread so that I won’t have to post it agan:

    No, I did not cherry pick facts. In fact, you should know that if you know the history of these QB’s as both Big Ben and Brees LED THE NFL in interceptions before an yet I didn’t use that year for Ben. Ben also seemed to have hands or iron and rarely fumbled early in hiss career an then started coughing up the ball a great deal as he got older and I didn’t use that either.

    If I really wanted to “cherry pick” I would have and I’d admit to doing so, but I didn’t.

    As for Rodgers … I specifically said it’s a weird comparison as he didn’t even throw his first TD till he was almost 25 years old but comparing his first 2 years at the ages of 25-26 vs. Jameis’ first two years at the ages of 21-22 was the most sensible thing to do.

    If you want to nitpick, have fun, but that was a great post and you should be applauding it.

    Pickgrin … your statement is what I was talking about earlier … some people want data, facts, evidence not just common-sense platitudes like “Jameis is already good and since he’s young he’ll get better” … I mean really man, what sense is there in even saying that, every fan of every young QB on any team in the NFL could say the same thing … it’s silly.

    You could say that about Jared Goff … an odds are you will be 100% right but there is a massive difference between Goff and Jameis and while that’s clear to many, there is also a massive difference between Jameis and Derek Carr, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, Drew Brees and most other QB’s you can think of people should understand that.

    The above statements are all fact-based but as you seem to favor mere opinions and personal statements, I will give you one and put it like this … Jameis isn’t just some good young QB who people can expect to get better, he is the greatest and most accomplished QB of his age in the history of football and barring-injury will go down not only as one of the greatest to ever play the game but as the Wayne Gretzky of NFL QB’s by owning the record books.

  104. Pickgrin Says:

    You are preaching to the choir dude. Go check the jbf archives.

    Your last sentence is a bit over the top though – even to someone who knew instantly that Winston would be an NFL star when I saw him play in his 1st game at FSU almost 4 years ago and have seen every game Jameis started since.

    I’m just glad we got DJax and Howard and Godwin so Jameis can have more than 1 “A” level talent to throw to. Our offense is gonna be sick this year if the Oline can do an adequate job.

  105. Pa Privateer Says:

    So how about that Noah Spence? Maybe Joe will write an article on that super high ceiling Defensive End on our team?…………


    I am rooting for you Spence, can’t wait to watch you sak some QBs

  106. NFLNut Says:

    Pickgrin … gotcha, we’re in the same boat 🙂

  107. NFLNut Says:

    Pa Privateer … I love Spence … ordinarily I don’t care that much about DE’s getting sacks as long as the team’s getting enough and because a DE can dominate without sacking the QB (like Clowney last year) BUT as Spence is sort of small and will probably never be a great run defender, I am definitely hoping to see 10+ sacks out of the kid and I think he has it in him providing he can stay healthy.

    I also think in next year’s draft we will draft another sack-master DE to pair with Spence going forward, along with a couple of CB’s and a RT … that’s really the only “holes” I can think of that we’ll need to fill and seeing as we could fill 1-3 of those in free agency there is a possibility we may even do some trading up really grab some studs!

  108. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Stpetebucsfan Says
    “What if we had a terrific competition between two young units trying to outdo each other. How cool would that be?”

    We actually had that the year Gruden took over…and it got us a Super Bowl.

    We see people saying we should taper our expectations. That a SB is a bit of a stretch this year.

    People said the same thing in 2002. Heck, I said it back then too.

    But I have been saying for three years, 2017 would be the big year if the team was built right. For hte most part, it has been.

  109. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    NFLNut Says:
    “Pickgrin … your statement is what I was talking about earlier … some people want data, facts, evidence not just common-sense platitudes like “Jameis is already good and since he’s young he’ll get better” … I mean really man, what sense is there in even saying that, every fan of every young QB on any team in the NFL could say the same thing … it’s silly.”

    I’m going to use a religious example here, so don’t make this all about religion after you read it.

    Many, many people claim to be Christians, but are not. Oh, they believe they are…but to be Christian means to be Christ-like. You see these proclaimed Christians protesting abortion clinics, and some of them are yelling at people, insulting them, telling them they will burn in hell and all of that. Those are not Christians. Not even close to Christ-like.

    (Don’t get me wrong, protesting properly can be a good thing, but that ain’t it)

    In other words, people can claim to be something, or claim pretty much anything…but sometimes, even if they believe they are right, they are not.

    So when you have people say a player is “already good and since he’s young he’ll get better”, just because a bunch of other people say it about other players, it does not mean it is not true.

    Jameis had 4,000+ yards passing in each year of his career. No quarterback in NFL history has ever done that. So we already know he is very good.

    And he IS young. And good quarterbacks DO improve with experience.

    So you saying Pickgrin is silly for saying that…and actually stalking him from another article to say it…well, friend…you’re the one that is being silly.

  110. FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:

    Can easily see 10 sacks from Spawn this season. He is a freak athlete and with the additions of Baker and Lava on the inside and better options at safety and another stud LB. Watch out boys and girls. Ayers, Spawn, and GMC could all have close to 10 sacks.