Best Since…

May 13th, 2017

Crazy comparison.

This is actually not a put down.

Good guy and Joe Flacco’s former high school math teacher, Mike Tanier of Bleacher Report, ran his grade on each team’s first round pick — that is, teams that had first round picks.

And with O.J. Howard, the Alabama tight end Tampa Bay selected, Tanier believes he may be the best tight end prospect since… Vernon Davis!

Productivity: Forty-five catches for 595 yards and three touchdowns in 2016. That’s pretty great, considering that the Tide aren’t known for featuring the tight end in their passing game.

Athleticism: Scouts describe Howard the way the authors at describe Thor.

But can he block? Yes! Howard is a strong, technically sound, experienced in-line blocker.

Other notes: Howard lacks polish as a receiver, but his combination of pure athletic ability and actual blocking usefulness makes him the most exciting tight end prospect since Vernon Davis.

This is a sound pick: good safety valve for Jameis Winston and a potential difference-maker in the running game.

Grade: B+

Again, this isn’t a slam. Davis, when he was on the field, was a complete freak of nature. To be the best tight end to come out of college football since Davis, that tells Joe that Howard could be big time if he develops.

Dragging Vernon Davis down was what was (wasn’t?) between his ears. And, yeah, maybe Mike Singletary.

51 Responses to “Best Since…”

  1. Chucklehead Says:

    I like Mike Singletery. His problem is that he is a few generations late for the coaching world.

  2. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    Agree Chucklehead…football changed Singletary did not. But that was him on the field as well..he was consistent in every thing he did. Old school.

  3. Clodhopper Says:


    People don’t appreciate tough love these days.

  4. Teacherman777 Says:

    Singletary is a christian fundamentalist like Lovie.

    Christian fundamentalists lack both logic and creativity.

    Therefore, they are neither openminded nor freethinking.

    Which means, they are limited intellectually.

    Does Belicheck look like a christian fundamentalist to you?

  5. Back up kicker Says:

    Teacherman is on point

  6. RayJameisStadium Says:

    People don’t appreciate tough love these days.

    @clodhopper…. I call it Integrity. These players are no longer in college. They have to realize that specially when they sign their contract and the wells fargo truck delivers them a new way of life (Adulthood) thanks to the NFL.

    @StPete integrity is still has the same definition but it has not being thought or shown to these millennials for them to accepted as part of adulthood. Millennials learn more by example than intimidation. Koetter does not need to intimidate anyone. He seems like a straight shooter without (inflating his chest- old school). I Love Our Coach!

  7. Aristotle Says:

    Wise words by teacherman

  8. Phreakybucfan Says:

    I’m a Christian fundamentalist as well. I want to argue your point but I can’t. Chistian athletes and coaches seem to lack “killer instinct”. It is what it is. Just sayin’

  9. Destinjohnny Says:

    Davis said that mike was the best thing that happened to his career and they are tight to this day.
    In my life Every coached I like we lost
    Every coach I didn’t like we won

  10. WhatdaBUCisthis Says:

    Wise words Teacher

  11. JTHV Says:

    LMAO … he’s the only analyst who’s graded the OJ less than an A+

  12. JTHV Says:

    One could assume the Founding Fathers were logical, freethinkers as well as being Christian Fundamentalist to a high degree.

  13. JA Says:

    Good point, Teach.

    But I think you’ve voided any chance for membership in the Tim Tebow fan club.

  14. Stpetebucsfan Says:


    Very well said!!! As for tough love I’ve had all kinds of coaches and the tough love guys never got the most out of me. I do not learn well getting intimidated.

    Some guys though seem to need that tough love to perform. I tend to agree with teacherman

    Back in the 80’s I covered Southern Conference, SEC and ACC sports. We’d get invited to their annual preseason press events which gathered all the coaches from around the league for the media to interview….

    All of us in the media agreed about one thing….the football gatherings were boring rigid affairs…football coaches are rarely that stimulating….we are lucky to have Koetter and Smitty who are both pretty good for football coaches.

    The basketball gatherings were always a lot of fun. The roundball coaches tended to be much more outgoing and humorous. In fact some of them seemed like frustrated standup comics..they were entertaining…except of course for Bobby Knight who would have made the perfect football coach.

  15. BoJim Says:

    I remember “The Eyes of Mike Singletary”. The camera would show a close up of him getting ready for the snap and his eyes would be wide open. I mean WIDE. I t was like he could look into your soul.

  16. JabooBuc Says:

    The “players” coach is someone not secure in what they are doing. They want to be liked more than they want to be right because they are not likely sure they know what is right. They want players to enjoy their experience and have fun because they think that equates to liking them and being popular.

    The flaw with this thinking is that for real players, the fun is the process and the accomplishment. They can goof off and take it easy anywhere. But if they love the game, then they want to do it right and they want coaches that will help them in that regard. They will eventually see through the “players” coach and see them for what they really are, someone that is insecure in their ability to properly teach the player. They may think of them as a nice guy, but ultimately that feeling is tainted by the feeling their time was wasted.

    Good news is that I think we have a real coach. Someone who knows the game and is secure enough in their knowledge to say what is right and even to admit when they don’t know.

  17. Clodhopper Says:

    Of course there’s more than one way to skin a cat. Pete Carol is not a tough love guy but Belicheat is. Both are great coaches.

    Me, personally, my father is a tough love kind of guy, and I thank him for that til this day. I’ve had bosses that apologized to me for being a dick, and I just think, “Really? That’s being a dick? In my house, we call that ‘my birthday!!’ Joking… Mostly

    Maybe it’s an age thing too. A youngin getting tough love will respond to tough love as an adult. A youngin not exposed to tough love will not respond to tough love as an adult. IDK I’m just a arm chair psychologist!!

    But it sure seems like last year tough love was a welcome blessing from Ayers, and still is today.

  18. webster Says:

    Some of you guys are tripping. All ways can be successful. Chuck knoll, tom landry or tony dungy were mal-mannered/christian while lombardi and parcells were tough love. What do they all have in common? Hall of famers. Ive been coached by both and was fortunate to win. Its not about the method, but the message and pure x and o’s. Oh and talent helps too. You can tough love all you want but if you are a horrible x and o coach, your team will lose regardless of the talent. As one poster said, its more than one way to skin a cat.

  19. C2 Says:

    Excellent point Teacherman…

    “One could assume the Founding Fathers were logical, freethinkers as well as being Christian Fundamentalist to a high degree.” To the guy who said this… Like most Christian Fundamentalist your founding fathers preached one thing and practiced another. Just ask the human beings they bought and sold, raped and murdered and treated less than a dog how open minded, an free thinking their christianity was.

  20. Buc50 Says:

    By that logic, Reggie White was soft as baby food. Bunch of garbage. GTHFOH

  21. BridleOaksBuc Says:

    I’m not a Christian Fundamentalist, but that’s one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen posted on this site!!

    Derrick Brooks… on many levels….enough said!

  22. LakeLandBuc Says:

    Bill Belichick wasn’t successful as a Head Coach until Tom Brady became his QB. His record before Brady 41-55. He had 5 losing seasons in 6 years before Brady. Tough love, weak love has nothing to do with winning football games. You need that franchise QB to win football games. Tony Dungy had great defense in Tampa. His record in Tampa..54-42, because he had piss-poor QB play for years. His record in Indy with Peyton Manning as his QB..85-27.

  23. Mojiska Says:

    Leaders require one thing to be succesful. They need to be flexible enough to lead different ways for different people. Certain people require a tough hand in order to get the most out of them. Others require room to think on their own. Others need encouragement. To pigeon hole a style of leading into one way is failure. To get the most out of everyone you need to find how each react to different styles, and impliment what works for them on a person by person basis.

  24. Buc Fan in NC Says:

    Teacherman Christian fundamentalist are intellectually limited? Singletary and Lovie are polar opposite. Maybe you’re lacking intellect lil fella

  25. Buccnbeliever Says:

    Lol Teacherman. The things you can’t say in a classroom but see every day, huh? Fundamentalists must willingly suspend logic that interferes with their beliefs. This tends to bleed over into…other areas.

  26. Buccfan37 Says:

    I would think a Christian fundamentalist on his departure would thank the ownership and fans who gave him support before the ouster.

  27. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Please don’t compare this young man to Davis his ceiling is waaayyy higher. For one I witnessed Davis shell up at the point contact and short arm a pass on more than one occasion over the years. I recall thinking to myself all those muscles and he out there playing scared. I don’t foresee being intimated by another man in O.J.’s foreseeable future.

  28. Eric Says:

    He’s got the blocking icon’s number.

    Guy had 200+ in first Clemson game but not polished?

    Safety valve?

    Where do these people come from.

  29. NFLNut Says:

    Teacherman777 … you’re goofy.

    Nearly every father of every scientific field in mankind’s history believed in a divine Creator with many being Bible-believing Xtians, including perhaps the most brilliant scientist of all time in Isaacc Newton who studied the Word of God more than anything else in his life.

    Hard-core atheism is a rather modern phenomenon for idiots that Darwin, Einstein and other non-fundamentalist Xtians thought was moronic.

  30. NFLNut Says:

    Teacherman777 …

    By the way, the term “fundmentalist” is one of those made up terms that can mean just about anything. I know cultists who twist the Biblical text like a pretzel to fit some bizarre belief they hold who call themselves “fundamentalists” so the word really has no true definition.

    Anyways, one’s religion has nothing to do with how one plays or coaches football for the most part.

    I believe Joe Gibbs was a Christian fundamentalist and is one of the all-time great coaches while MANY all-time great players have been. There have also been great players and/or coaches in various sports that were followers of various other religions like: Koufax, KAJ and Hakeem, Steve Young, etc.,.

    As for Bellichick … I have no idea what his religious beliefs are as he guards them and most everything else very closely … nor do I care.

  31. NFLNut Says:

    As for O.J. and V.D. … it’s not a bad comparison as V.D. was an absolute monster, is still a physical specimen and has had a long and productive career … he had some big-time performances earlier in his career and I feel like if he had had a great QB to slang him the rock when he was in his prime he could have set been a record-setter … HOWEVER … I actually think he’s a better comparison for a guy like David Njoku while Greg Olsen is a better comparison for O.J. Howard.

  32. Buc1987 Says:

    Deckerhoff : TOUCHDOWN OJ Howard!!! TOUCHDOWN OJ Howard!!!

    Realist : Touchdown OJ Howard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  33. The Buc Realist Says:


    And don’t let the sheep try to tell you about the “unstoppable redzone offense” or “who can stop them in the redzone”!!!!

    Listen to Head Coach Koetter!!!!! The plan is to score before the redzone!!!!! While after the rams game the sheep were mad about no time out called!!! Head Coach Koetter was mad that they ran 5 plays from the 15 yard line and did not score!!!!!! Why are the sheep always looking in the wrong direction???? That’s why “Dey be Sheep”!!!!!!!!

    The Buc Realist Says:
    July 22nd, 2016 at 9:11 am
    you can put down WR and TE for the 2017 daft for the Bucs!!!

    This class is over!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  34. Buc4Lyfe79 Says:

    I would LOVE to see a keyboard warrior like “Teacherman” break out his keyboard hardened brass balls and speak his comment to Singletary’s face. Davis was diva-esque and nothing but potential until Singletary called him out and forced him to be a man, sac up and play real football or let the whole world know just how mentally weak he was. Davis even credited Singletary calling him out as to the reason why he was able to get his pro-career on track. We have a guy like that on the Bucs. A guy that likes to weed out the weak and challenge them to be real men or get the f!ck off the field, but when Singletary does it to a player he was coaching and responsible for getting to produce, much less hopefully get the young mans head out of his ass and his priorities in life straight, which he probably wouldn’t have worried about unless he was a “Christian,” he gets labeled as lacking any logic and creativity because he has a religious foundation?! Only behind your keyboard would you EVER be so bold “teacherman,” I’ve been in Singletary’s presence. Your keyboard hardened sac would show it’s true vag colors if you ever even thought about saying that to Iron Mike’s face, Believe That.

  35. grafikdetail Says:

    most christians are hypocrites anyways… i dont care if it’s the 2nd coming of jesus or satan long as the coach can coach and the player can play

  36. BigMacAttack Says:

    Buc4Life79, lmao! Good job.

  37. chris Says:

    Lol, Buc4lyfe calling out Teacherman as a keyboard warrior by being…..a keyboard warrior, oh the irony.

  38. BigMacAttack Says:

    Just win baby!!!

  39. Duke Says:

    You da Man!!! I have to say it. You are a clever and sly little fellow. I nod in appreciation for a masterpiece. Well done.

    Brilliant idea to present such an illogical argument to support a negative claim. Personally, I don’t believe it was possible to include so many logic fails, false premises, mutually exclusive ideas presented as inclusive, etc, etc. and not show your hand so to speak. You have an understanding of how ignorance

  40. Duke Says:

    You da Man!!! I have to say it. You are a clever and sly little fellow. I nod in appreciation for a masterpiece. Well done.

    Brilliant idea to present such an illogical argument to support a negative claim. Personally, I don’t believe it was possible to include so many logic fails, false premises, mutually exclusive ideas presented as inclusive, etc, etc. and not show your hand so to speak. You have an understanding of how to appeal to ignorance that’s usually seen only in cult leaders, progressive politicians and yoga instructors. Bloody entertaining mate!

    Good hunting if you decide to start a cult.

  41. Bucfan951 Says:

    Compared to Vernon Davis and only gets a B+….

  42. Rod Munch Says:

    ASJ could have been great if he wasn’t such a dolt – he had all the tools and when he was healthy and on the field, he was a huge part of the Bucs passing attack and gave Winston a big weapon. Just go back to week 1 of the season when everyone on the offense was healthy and ASJ wasn’t in jail – that catch ASJ made down the center of the field was probably the best catch of the entire season. ASJ would drop some balls now and then, but man, when he was there, he was a stud. If Howard can be as good as ASJ, stay healthy and isn’t a dolt then Howard is going to be a huge contributor. However just keep in mind that rarely do TE’s make a big impact their rookie year – if Howard isn’t a huge part of the offense by week 2, it’s OK – that doesn’t mean he’s a bust.

  43. FutureBucsGM Says:

    Vernon Davis was a good blocker?

    I don’t remember that.

    OJ Howard reminds me of Travis Kelce, just better.

  44. FutureBucsGM Says:

    Oh man. I almost made it out of here cleanly but this dude teacherman had to bring that up.

    I’ll say this, you don’t know Christ.

  45. Issic Haggins Says:

    Lakeland you are def on point but Tampa won a Super Bowl with B Johnson ………… You are very correct but not exactly !!!

  46. Duke Says:


    You like books? You like sounding iggnant? Get a book about
    the 1st constitutional convention. Then one about Christianity and how it ended slavery in half the world. Do dat, no more soundin all iggnant.

  47. Buc1987 Says:

    I don’t want to jinx the kid, but his college reel shows to me he’s better than Davis. Fingers crossed.

  48. NFLNut Says:

    grafikdetail Says:
    May 13th, 2017 at 3:00 pm

    most christians are hypocrites anyways…


    No, as a Christian I can 100% verify that we are ALL hypocrites without exception. Why? Because we believe we are to be Christ-like and yet obviously fail to be Christ-like all the time.

    However, there is a difference in the “hypocrisy” I am describing and the “hypocrisy” you are likely describing, which is when professing Christians blatantly and wilfully disobey God’s word and could care the less … those people deserve to be excoriated!

  49. Cash Says:

    Truth hurts huh Duke? Here is hoping this OJ will be as good as other OJ ‘s have been and have a long productive career.

  50. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    A lot of big ots here

  51. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    grafikdetail Says:
    May 13th, 2017 at 3:00 pm

    “most PEOPLE are hypocrites anyways…”

    There, I fixed that for you, hypocrite.