The Christian McCaffrey Stigma

April 24th, 2017

Too early at No. 19?

In a matter of hours, mock drafts will be done for eight months. Or, as Jeff Cameron calls them, “fake drafts.”

The host of the “Jeff Cameron Show” of ESPN Tallahassee got into a long discussion last week with his producer, Tom Lang, about the Bucs and running back Christian McCaffrey. Cameron, a native of St. Petersburg and a hardcore Bucs fan, as is Lang, also a Pinellas County native, pondered the value of McCaffrey at No. 19 .

Lang thinks it is a lousy investment.

“He’s an amazing athlete — an amazing athlete,” Cameron said. “Just go look at his highlight reel.”

Lang was not moved.

“Oh, hell yes!” Lang said when Cameron asked if the Bucs picking McCaffrey was too high. “I just don’t see it as a home run. … It is just risky to me. If you listen to any one of [Todd] McShay’s 87 appearances talking about McCaffrey, one of the first things he says is [McCaffrey] can be a running back and he can play slot receiver. You really want to draft a guy who plays slot receiver at [No.] 19?”

It goes deeper than that.

Joe understands some fans won’t want to read this; and when they do, they will run down the hallways of their workplace with index fingers stuck in their ears yelling, “LAH-LAH-LAH-LAH-LAH-LAH-LAH-LAH!

The Bucs really like Adam (Rudy!) Humphries. Really, really like Humphries. They like him enough that Joe is convinced drafting a player at No. 19 to unseat Humphries as a slot receiver is off the table, especially with a much, much greater need at running back and pass rusher.

Whether the Bucs draft McCaffrey is unclear and we won’t know for three days, but Cameron believes McCaffrey, fair or unfair, is fighting a “little-white-guy” stereotype.

The full episode of Cameron’s Friday show is below. The McCaffrey-Bucs chatter begins at roughly the 32:00 mark.

149 Responses to “The Christian McCaffrey Stigma”

  1. Jim Says:

    What, “No Comment”?

  2. Waterboy Says:

    I hope the Panthers pass on Fournette and take him.

  3. ZZBucs!!! Says:

    First of all I don’t think McCaffrey will be @ 19…….Second McCaffrey is much more than a slot receiver, he is so versatile that he can ALSO play slot, and would be awesome to have McCaffrey and Humphries on the same team…….And in case he is 19…I would do not hesitate and pick him up…….

  4. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I actually believe he goes in round two…but you never know. Some team might invest a first rounder in him.

  5. Mtbucsfan Says:

    I have a feeling out of all the rbs in this draft. He would be the one that could be a bust. Just a little sneaky suspicion I have.

  6. tdtb2015 Says:

    Pass! We already have Humphries as our slot guy.

    Get me Mack and Perine in the later rounds!!!!

    Barnett at 19 absolute YES!!!

  7. WhatdaBUCisthis Says:

    I’ll b mad as hell if he were the pick

  8. Joeypoppems Says:

    Too early at #19? There is talk of him going Top 15 lol

  9. Guzzie Says:

    The only similarity between Hump and CMac is their skin color! Hump is an UDFA talent, CMac is one of the top 25 talents in this draft. CMac is faster, stronger, more elusive, and much more valuable than Hump will ever be. CMac is a weapon, Hump is an unexplosive, serviceable, limited slot receiver.

  10. Guzzie Says:

    That being said, the only RB worth a 1st in this draft is Fournette, Mixon would too if not for his pimp hand.

  11. Supersam Says:

    Won matter. He’ll be gone in the top 10. Mark it.

  12. Supersam Says:

    In fact I’ll lay money down that he goes earlier then Cook. How’s that for a little white guy?

  13. Arealbucfan Says:

    Don’t matter with all the trades gonna go down on Thursday we’ll end up with Cook at about pick 14 or so

  14. Joeypoppems Says:

    I also think that McCaffrey will go ahead of Cook.

  15. Tampa Tony Says:

    Little White Guy? He’s taller than Cook and 8 lbs lighter but was more explosive and productive than Cook but he plays on the west coast so not many FL viewers saw him. Drafting a slot at 19 doesn’t make sense? Does this guy know how many times teams use 3 wr formations?

    Dude is also faster than Cook but the bias FSU fans don’t wanna bother with facts

  16. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Joeypoppems Says
    “Too early at #19? There is talk of him going Top 15 lol”

    Honestly though, you can’t go by that. All those are is guesses, just like anyone else. The same guys doing the mocks also do the rankings…and look how often they get the mocks wrong.

    Really, no one can do more than guess, because no one knows what any team is really thinking (except maybe the 1st and 2nd picks). Teams constantly try to make people think they are doing something other than what they plan.

    Which is why I do not believe Licht wants Cook as badly as people think. I believe he is one of the options, but they have several players ahead of him on their board that they would rather have.

  17. DannyLion Says:

    So the reasoning behind not taking him is he CAN play slot? You are naive beyond belief if you think that is where he will contribute the most. You two want to point out others plugging their ears at information but you really need to start looking in the mirror.

  18. Tampa Tony Says:

    @guzzie- Are we talking about the often injured lsu back?

    Glad you aren’t the GM

  19. Joeypoppems Says:

    Well Vegas must be buying into it too. His over/under draft spot is 8.5 so if you disagree you can make some money I guess.

  20. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    This is East Coast bias at it’s finest. This guy is an absolute stud. He is a game breaker! Not only can he play RB and WR, he’s an excellent punt and kick return guy. However, he’s going to go top 10. I just hope it’s not to Carolina.

  21. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    That guys is obviously clueless. Because McCaffrey can also play Outside Receiver, In addition to returning punts and kicks, all while being an outstanding in between the tackles runner with vision, quickness, elusiveness and split second reaction time.

    Just another example of Joe (Lee) scratching, scrounging, and scraping for any tidbit or opinion that supports Drafting Dalvin Cook at all cost.

  22. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    That guys is obviously clueless. Because McCaffrey can also play Outside Receiver, In addition to returning punts and kicks, all while being an outstanding in between the tackles runner with vision, quickness, elusiveness and split second reaction time.

    Just another example of LeeBucsFan searching tirelessly for any tidbit or opinion that supports Drafting Dalvin Cook at all cost. And it’s all very clearly the result of previously held biases. And not objective Opinion.

  23. ndog Says:

    I truly believe that there is a real chance the Panthers take Cook so that would change the entire draft and who knows what that means for us. He looks like a perfect fit for them and I think he would kill it with them as well, with his cutback runs off the read options with Cam. Them having Cook with Cam really worries me.

  24. Guzzie Says:

    Tamp tony…try reading what I said before commenting, I said Fournette is the only back worth a 1st, not that I’d want to draft him, and are you really trying to say Fournette isn’t a 1st round talent?

  25. Guzzie Says:

    JBF might shutdown the site if Cook goes to the Stinking Panthers lol

  26. duthsty rhothdes Says:

    Put McCaffery Rose Bowl game on just watch first play from scrimmage against Iowa…..

  27. Guzzie Says:

    Joe should already rename his site “JoeCookFan”

  28. Kobe Faker Says:

    Why in the world does people talk about Mccaffrey coming to Tampa and Koetters scheme and offense?

    Koetter doesnt know or want to use Mccaffreys skillset. Koetter doesnt run slants, picks and short crossing patterns

    Koetter would have him run between tackles like he did to Sims when Martin was out

    DCook fits Koetters offense and scheme to a T (scheme which Kobe doesnt like)


  29. Joeypoppems Says:

    Why woukd Koetter say he wants a guy who can take a 10 yard slant to the house if he doesnt plan to utilize slants?

  30. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    ^It’s Kobe Liar, He’s going to prance about acting like he has all the answers when he doesn’t know jack.

    That’s why he pretends to be a mole inside OBP.

  31. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    So now we’ve got people saying that all McCaffery does it run slants? WTF????

    And Koetter doesn’t use short crossing patterns? Huh? Some people should have their comments automatically put into moderation.

  32. Steven007 Says:

    Pretty sure the Pats are praying that the 31 teams in front of them buy in to the little white guy stereotype. McCaffery is the consummate Pat’s player.

  33. Conte Piscateli Says:

    I’m sorry but with McCaffrey and fournette I go back to their business decision to ship their bowl games. I want players that love football, they live it, it’s all they think about. Do you think Jameis would have sat out the Music city bowl, or even a pick up game in someone’s back yard? No, we don’t need guys who look at football as a business, they say it what could honestly be their last games. Who says they don’t pick up a nasty injury in pre season. I’ll pass on both of them, I’ll take Humphries and his heart and want over both of those guys.

  34. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    More explosive??? Psst😊..

  35. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Surveys says: correct for 4000 Kobe. I can’t wait to see this kid repeatedly be sent between the tackles. Those holes I see him run thru on his highlights get a lot smaller on the next level.

  36. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    I just stated on the other thread conte in 2015 DC4 rush for 1700 yards with two sore hammy’s the whole season. Much like Fameis his last season in school when went the whole year with a bad ankle. Warriors.

  37. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    pri madonas disgust me😠. Eww.

  38. Bobby M. Says:

    I’m pretty certain….Warrick Dunn was smaller, slower and not nearly as versatile….He had a solid career. McCaffrey is a weapon for not only Winston, but special teams as well.

    Side note…..does anyone remember when we drafted Clayborne in the 1st round knowing he had shoulders issues? Seemed like a great pick until, he was injured all the time and didn’t have any technique to actually be a DE. That’s the same optimism being displayed with Cook…..Shoulder issues, fumbles, character concerns…..let’s just look past all of those and then wonder why he’s unreliable. I highly doubt Licht rolls the dice on Cook…..Licht needs production out of these picks beyond a year or two…A 1st round pick is someone you envision giving an extension to. Cook has both medical and character concerns that make you 2nd guess if he would see an extension.

  39. Tampa Tony Says:

    @guzzie I wouldn’t take Fournette in the 1st the injuries and the pounding he took in college scare me

    But I’m against taking a RB in the first. Draft DE, CB or WR in the first. Those are positions that when they hit FA are expensive and have longer careers than RB’s

  40. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    The thing I bet you don’t know Nos & Kobe, is that Stanford was by and large a power running team. Most of their running schemes were some variation of Man-blocking or Gap.

    Christian McCaffrey is very similar to Lesean McCoy in the way that both of them use elite level quickness and creative running style to get skinny through the hole and into the open field. And once there, they are incredibly tough to bring down.

  41. Arealbucfan Says:

    McCaffrey is a good fit for panthers they can use him all over… we need an every down back, package sims with a draft pick and move up for Cook, we’ll have Cook, Rodgers, maybe Martin at a discount, Barber, and Blake Sims… Evans, Jackson, and if we draft a wr 3rd round I see him pushing hump down to #4… trade down in the 2nd and 3rd to pick up more picks grab. tE to complement brate and be a beast of a blocker and last but not least get a DE that can switch to Linebacker and kill 2 birds with one stone.. we need a beastly S that can make qbs think twice and hopefully Hargreaves is a beast this year

  42. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    I’m trying to figure out at what point did the slot require a super versatile athlete??? Wes Welker was the king at that position for years, wouldn’t call him a super athlete. The cowgirl’s cole beasley isn’t a super athlete, but makes plays because the middle is always open because of dez and terrence speed on the outside. Hump is going to be wide open all next season With teams trying to find a solution for ME and Desean on the outside.

  43. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Maybe so Blake but I when YouTube the kid I see HUGE running lanes. I mean the kid isn’t even being touched on a lot of those long runs bro.

  44. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    ^He is primarily a running back dude.

    Everything else he can do on top of being that spectacular talent at RB, is just icing on the cake.

  45. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    IF you watch his game tapes, and not just his highlights, you will come away with a greater appreciation of his game.

    And I could say the same thing about Dalvin Cooks long runs to the outside.

  46. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    My fingers cross that that TE you mention is Shaheen Areal. Maannn, that size and ability with the Quadruplets would be insane.

  47. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Okay people YouTube DC4 highlights and then YouTube McCaffery. See for yourself the difference.

  48. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Tackles are being broke all over Dalvin’s highlight reel.

  49. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    You’re saying this to me like I haven’t already.

  50. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    And If you’re talking bout that Benny Hill blooper reel of missed armed tackles, I’ve already seen it. And Had some great laughs.

  51. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    I’m sorry I don’t watch every game. I really don’t love NCAA and really can’t say I love the NFL. I love the Seminoles and the Buccaneers. The teams are what I give a s@$! about. Not the institutions.

  52. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Take a special talent to make people look stupid trying to tackle him. That other guy has very few broken tackles in his reel. I’ve also watched both myself bro.

  53. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Not against Wake Forrest and USF lol.

  54. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    But got like Fournette his reel composed of people hopping over his back and s@$!. Yea I wanna see that happen inn the NFL.

  55. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Dude his highest rank comp was what again??? 92nd or some s@$!. Now that’s funny.

  56. Kobe Faker Says:


    These are the facts

    Koetter and DC doesnt have to change 1 thing in the way they design a play or run a play

    Koetter likes his toss sweeps (explosive runs) and setup the pass with PLAY ACTION (explosive passes)….

    This is what DC bring

    “PLUG and PLAY”

    Kobe Faker

  57. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Dalvin never was apart of a schedule making commitee. He just showed up every week and showed out. Much like he’ll be doing in Tampa next season.

  58. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Its a No brainer Kobe. Its why they had many talks with the cal kid last year. Licht stepped inn and h3ll no Dirk. Our back will be available this time next year.

  59. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    I’m going to be sad to see the great Nole/Blake debate end. Just 3 more days.😔

  60. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    The same reason Licht passed on Bortles and Teddy B. He knew Fameis would be available the next season. But y’all think all random. Yea right.

  61. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Your first mistake is looking at highlight reels and making a determination of how good a player is. I’ve watched him play full games, and trust me, he breaks tackles. However, you know what’s better than breaking tackles? Not getting touched in the first place, because you’re too fast. He’s a freakish athlete, which for some reason people think otherwise (hmmmm). He’s got football in his blood, and you never have to worry about him off the field. He’s as safe of a pick as possible (although no pick is safe).

  62. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Over??? What you talking over 75. It just begins my friend. I will be reminding him every single day about DC4 accomplishments in the league.

  63. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    I saw a freak athlete he reminds me of that came from the west coast some years back. Reginald Bush. Couldn’t get by with just once he went to the NFL bro.

  64. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    That’s one play though. Leo’s also got plays of running through/over people full speed, and is able to keep balance in those high speed collisions like some kind of human Locomotive.

    Dalvin Doesn’t do that. Dalvin can break arm tackles on Db’s, and keep going through contact on hits where guys don’t wrap up.

    But you don’t see him do stuff like this.

    Or like this, Skip to 1:17

  65. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Hawaiian I’m not saying be can’t play,I just don’t see a pure RB in the NFL. A pure RB is What we bro.

  66. Kobe Faker Says:

    Fourentte never going to play 16 game with his style and contesting defenders vs big boy league

    Lbs and safeties will be waiting to unload

    He will wear down at every end of the season

  67. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “I saw a freak athlete he reminds me of that came from the west coast some years back. Reginald Bush.”


    First of all, I wouldn’t say Reggie Bush was a bust. He had a couple 1000 yard seasons and a Super Bowl. He was also drafted #2, not #19. If we could get a player of his caliber at #19, I’d take it. Second, you can’t lump everyone together just because they are from the west coast. I know you know that as well, but it’s a silly argument. Like I said, no player is without risk. None of us know who is going to be what in the NFL. We don’t know who really loves football, or who is gong to play for a check. But I would put my money on McCaffery being a really good pro. I’d lean towards Cook being good too, but I would personally be more comfortable with McCaffery.

  68. briandorry55 Says:

    Lol…this is a trash opinion. You know how I know that? Because the guy said to “go look at the highlight tape”…if you want your opinion to be taken seriously, you need to watch more than the highlight tape (which is pretty effing impressive anyway in McCaffrey’s case but whatever).

    What only a select few want to mention is he runs extremely well between the tackles.

    Ran in a power offense the majority of the time at Stanford.

    Played against a high level of competition. Washington (will have several highly draft players this season), USC (always has some talented defenders entering the league), Oregon (defensive lineman drafted in the Top 20 past two seasons)…oh and check out the 2015 tape where he ran for 250 yards against a UCLA front 7 featuring Myles Jack, Takk McKinley, and Kenny Clark.

    Best vision and patience of any back in this draft. The kid sends game tape to LeVeon Bell every week to critique and send back. Best short area quickness of any back in this draft.

    Who cares if we want to put him in the slot? Can we not have a running back coming out of the backfield on passing downs? That’s where he’s most lethal anyways because he’ll be matched up against a linebacker a lot of times (no LB in the league will be able to match up with him btw). Would it be terrible to have Evans and Jackson on the edges and McCaffrey, Brate, and Humphries…three terrific route runners operating underneath?

    He probably won’t end up here but the haters are gonna learn real fast…hopefully he’s not in Carolina.

  69. grafikdetail Says:

    only team that CMac would have success with is probably the Pats… most coaches no matter how much they preach it don’t play to players strengths & try to force a square peg in a round hole… i like CMac just not in the 1st.. 1st round backs need to be every down workhorses that can wear defense down… i don’t even think cook is a solid in between the tackle runner either & should slide closer to the 2nd round also

  70. briandorry55 Says:

    @Nole on Sat

    You don’t have to “watch every game” to have an educated opinion of a guy. Go to draftbreakdown dot com and you can watch every play of a bout 15 games of McCaffrey and Cook. McCaffrey excels between the tackles. Cook’s tape is very impressive too…but he has the questions regarding character, durability, and athleticism…McCaffrey doesn’t.

    You don’t think he can be a full time RB in the NFL…hey, you could be right…there have been 200 pound running backs who couldn’t…there have been 230 pound running backs who couldn’t.

    Was Marshall Faulk a full time running back?

  71. Blake_bucsfan Says:


    Well said my friend.

  72. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    I respect that Hawaiian. 55 I’ll do that.

  73. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Okay here’s the thing with the whole”wear defenses down argument” at his best did DM do that??? No. Not requirement inn this overdrive scheme. Now if Koetter is about to pound the rock 20 to 25 a game up the middle which I haven’t as of yet fine. Go get Perine. If not and he’s planning to continue toss sweeping he best go get Dalvin. Really simple.

  74. grafikdetail Says:

    cook is better football player and athlete than CMac…and will have a better NFL career…

  75. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    offensive scheme-

  76. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Koetter run’s a lot of single back sets. 3wide. Now if that’s about to change to more power I. Then want Perine.

  77. Bucsfanman Says:

    OK, I heard something said on TV and I think it bears discussion.

    “If Christian McCaffrey were black, he would be drafted in the top 10 of the draft!” Says Shannon Sharpe.
    I can’t wait to see the comments on this one! Go ahead, argue the point!

  78. Arealbucfan Says:

    Kwon made Julio look like Freddy martino just imagine what he’d do to McCaffrey

  79. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Nosbos, In Dirks first year as our OC, we had 455 rushing attempts over the 16 game regular season. 455 divided by 16, is Comes out to 28.4 attempts per game.

    Dirk is no stranger to ground and pound football.

    We need to use our 1st and Second round picks to address our Dline and Receiver Depth, then target Kareem Hunt, James Conner, Sameje Perine, or Jamaal Williams in round 3-4 to tote the mail.

    Then double dip in the 5th or 6th, and get on of these guys with 4.4 speed & catching ability Like Joe Williams, Jeremy McNichols, Tarik Cohen, or Donnel Pumphrey to replace Charles Sims when he inevitably gets hurt again.

    We could be set at Rb, and Get 2 game changer’s at premium positions.

    Tell me you wouldn’t be stoked.

  80. Kobe Faker Says:

    “I agrre with Sterling Sharpe”

    Jimmy the Greek

  81. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    And Nos, don’t fixate on Perine though, someone else might draft him before us in the 3rd, because he is damn good.

    Check out this kid James Conner. Kid is 6’1 233 and runs like a jack rabbit mixed with a sledgehammer.

  82. Bucsfanman Says:

    Blake? Nole? Care to weigh in? Joeypoppem?
    See above.
    Don’t sidestep fellas. I’d like to hear people’s opinion. Nole compared him to Reggie Bush and Bush was #2 overall.

  83. Couch Fan Says:

    I cant even begin to express the absurdity it is to think anyone would pass on McCaff because they have Hump?… Really? Hump is a nice player, nice story. But do we want game changers to get points on the board or do we want nice guys with nice stories that are limited and wont help us to much? Simple decision to me.

  84. Humpty Dumpty Says:

    I bet that Bellicheat could figure a nice way to use a talent like that!! just sayin”

  85. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    This whole argument is probably irrelevant because I think both players will be long gone by the time we pick at 19, and I’m not a fan of us trading up in the first round. I think there’s a small chance Cook is available, but I’m not so sure we take him if he is. Regardless, the draft can’t get here soon enough.

  86. Joeypoppems Says:


    I think there is a very realiatic chance that he goes Top 10 anyway. The Panthers seem to love him and they have his former RB coach on their staff so they have extra insight on him already.

    Maybe if he was Black the national consensus on him would change, but as far as Top 10 goes some would say he is already a lock for that.

  87. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    ^ I’d say if that’s correct, and the Panther’s take McCaffrey At 8, there’s no way the Eagles don’t take Cook at 14.

  88. tnew Says:

    Whats so funny to me about this is that most of the posters on here don’t realize that Stanford ran a power running scheme. Most of CMAC’s runs come from between the tackles. He compares more to Warrick Dunn than does Cook. Im with Blake on this one. I think that CMAC is gone way before our pick. Those of you hoping for him to go to Carolina, just be careful what you wish for. He’s another one, I start to doubt, then I go watch his full games and just go.. Oh yeah, he’s kind of special.

  89. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Fanman I find it strange that Dalvin could be rumored to slip all the way to second round and McCaffery being looked at as a possible top ten player. Do I believe politics are playing a role??? Yes. Do I think his dad being a former player is also impacting the hype yes. There are some fantastic backs that didn’t go in the first round over the years so for McCaffery to be a lock leads me to believe other factors are at play. Blake I’ll check Connor out.

  90. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    They’ve ran that scheme for years. Its what they do at standford because they put a premium on O line play. Is the back or the system is the question. Don’t recall many stanford RBs being all that impactful in the NFL.

  91. Arealbucfan Says:

    Yalls opinions don’t matter… read the facts… if Cook is there, which there’s a very good chance he is,,, Bucs will grab him… read before you speak he wants to be a buc and the Bucs love him but you gotta do some digging for the real stories.. Nos is one of the only ones making any sense right now… so many star defensive players going top 10 and 15… eagles won’t pass on a star cb or safety but they will pass on Cook so unless someone trades up to grab him he will be ours

  92. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    His dad being a former player ultimately doesn’t mean a damn thing. It’s a nice feather in the cap because you know there’s football in his blood, but I promise you no team is going to draft him because of his dad. McCaffery could have and maybe should have won the Heisman 2 years ago, and was a preseason favorite this year. I don’t know what more you want from a guy, and I certainly don’t see how politics play any role in this??? And if Cook goes in round 2, then I can promise you there is something seriously wrong with either his health or his character.

  93. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “They’ve ran that scheme for years. Its what they do at standford because they put a premium on O line play. Is the back or the system is the question. Don’t recall many stanford RBs being all that impactful in the NFL.”


    Fair enough. Can you name any Stanford RB being mentioned as an impactful NFL runner? Exactly my point.

  94. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    C’mon Hawaiian you bang be serious bro. How great pro players have come and went and then they’re duck @$! child comes in and not quite live up to they’re dads accomplishments. Really bro.

  95. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Did I just read that Nole would want Perine? There’s hope for him yet! lol

  96. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    There are the cases when people don’t live up to their lineage, but you also have successful football families. The Both Mannings surpassed Archie. Andrew Luck did better than his father. The Matthews family pumps out probowlers.

    So it can go both ways.

  97. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “C’mon Hawaiian you bang be serious bro. How great pro players have come and went and then they’re duck @$! child comes in and not quite live up to they’re dads accomplishments. Really bro.”


    What are you talking about? I don’t recall any of these “duck @$! children” being considered in the top 10 that didn’t make it. Go ahead and enlighten me on some examples. The first one that comes to mind is Joey Bosa. I’d say he’s done pretty well for himself. Payton and Eli Manning aren’t too shabby. Howie Long’s kids are good football players. How about Clay Matthews and Andrew Luck? Seems to me like the exact opposite is true. Of course if you want to use examples from 7th round or undrafted sons, then you’re absolutely right.

  98. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    You’re killing yourself here NOSBOS

  99. LakeLandBuc Says:

    The more I look at Dirk Koetter ‘Vertical Offense”. The more it seems that Curtis Samuels will be a natural fit. We should be able to trade down and draft a FS in the 1st and draft Samuels in the 2nd. Both picks will fill immediate needs..a playmaking FS with range ( Budda Baker) and a versatile offensive weapon..who can do damage in space.

  100. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Ion see how because my point is his lineage may very well be playing a role in how he being blown up. There is history of great weapons coming out that program. What he did behind they’re hogs DC could’ve did easily. And I agree it works both ways Blake. Guess we’ll soon see relation to this young man.

  101. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    -I meant no history

  102. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    So you telling me that you can only find situations where a players dad played and then his son came behind and did well??? Really bro. I won’t even waste my time researching the opposite of that. I know better.

  103. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Most people don’t even know or remember his dad. It makes no difference.

    If there is a history of great weapons coming out of that program, feel free to list them. I don’t recall anyone outside of Andrew Luck going top 10, but I’m going to let you do the work and look it up. As for the hogs, go ahead and name me some of those too. Anybody can make general statements, but if you don’t give specific examples, then I don’t see how your statements can be validated. Especially when you already admitted you don’t watch Stanford.

  104. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    And y’all say I live in fantasy.

  105. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    You misunderstood my point. It was that they’re haven’t been many.

  106. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Again I know better bro. So doing the work isn’t of All that importance to me.

  107. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    But we both know every former players kid hasn’t always panned out.

  108. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “But we both know every former players kid hasn’t always panned out.”


    And we both know current players whose parents didn’t pan out. What’s the difference? You seem to be holding it against the kid because his dad was a decent NFL player. That makes no sense. You can’t even name an example of a top pick not living up to his dad’s career. I just named several. Again, you can’t just make general statements with no actual facts to back it up. And you certainly can’t do it on JBF and expect to get away with it. If you aren’t naming any, then you don’t know any. Simple as that. I’m sure you are furiously searching on google now, but you better hurry up because we are all losing interest.

  109. Joeypoppems Says:

    The only thing his family lineage is hyping up involves any draft story connecting him with the Broncos. His game tape, intangibles, and all of his test results hype him into the top 10 more than his father’s success.

  110. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:
    April 24th, 2017 at 1:53 pm
    Again I know better bro. So doing the work isn’t of All that importance to me.


    So in other words you could be dead wrong and not bother to check because you already know better.

  111. FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:

    I can’t wait for McCaffrey to prove that he is a 3 down RUNNING BACK to all the haters. He is the same size as Cook basically and more athletic. Also doesn’t have the injuries or off field issues either. That’s why he will be a top 10 pick.

  112. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    NOSBOS probably thinks Ed McCaffery was a HOF WR. It’s not like Christian is Jerry Rice’s kid.

  113. briandorry55 Says:

    He’s being “blown up” for the exact opposite reason your boy Cook is sliding down draft boards.

    Because he’s a great kid who works his @ss off and prepares like a professional…doesn’t show up at the NFL combine like “what’s a three cone drill?”

    Because he doesn’t have a gaggle of hoodlums following him around that turn off NFL front office’s who don’t want to see high investment players get in trouble (hmm, maybe a lesson we can learn from Doug Martin?)

    Because he’s an all around player, who doesn’t fumble, cares about pass blocking, runs the slickest routes in the draft even though that isn’t even close to the top priority for his position

    Has been durable despite a heavy workload…no shoulder surgeries to see here!

  114. Pickgrin Says:

    MCaffrey is legit. People are “scared” he won’t be an every down runner. BS!!!! Look at his productivity as a runner right up the gut in addition to all his other assets.

    All 3 of the top RBs this year are special and have game breaking, play making, TD creating capabilities.

    Cook is the best fit for our offense and the best “pro ready”, “3 down” prospect of the bunch – but Fournette, Cook and McCaffrey are all solid 1st round talents.

    We have the need now to add talent at RB and if any one of these 3 backs falls to #19 – it will be a 1st round pick well spent to give Winston a dynamic weapon who will start at RB and touch the ball often.

    I maintain that NONE of those backs will be on the board at 19 and we will be drafting a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round – and getting a good one. My $ is on either Perine or Hunt.

  115. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “So you telling me that you can only find situations where a players dad played and then his son came behind and did well??? Really bro. I won’t even waste my time researching the opposite of that. I know better.”


    Wow, you’re truly not getting it. It’s really not registering is it? I’m going to break it down one last time, with the hopes of MAYBE you can finally understand. You made this comment: “Do I think his dad being a former player is also impacting the hype yes.”. That’s a ridiculous comment, with absolutely no truth whatsoever. Again, most people have no clue who his dad is. I bet you never saw him play a down. You think his dad being a decent player made him a Heisman candidate? You think his dad being good made him put up ridiculous numbers? You think any of these NFL teams give a damn about his dad? You are losing this argument so bad, and you are just making it worse by arguing with stupid points. Why is there no one backing you up? Because you’re getting murdered, and everyone knows it.

  116. FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:

    His body of work is what’s got him to this point. His dad has zero affect on a team drafting him. That’s just crazy talk. This kid is going to be a star and that’s all that matters. Cook has way too many red flags to draft in the 1st round.

    Since Caff will be gone when we pick we need to focus on a RB in rounds 3-5. This is the deepest RB class I’ve seen in years. All the positions we need, RB, Safety, DE, WR, are all stacked with depth.

    If we could trade back in the 1st for an extra 2nd or 3rd would be the best possible situation. We need all the picks we can get in rounds 2-5.

  117. LakeLandBuc Says:

    Christian McCaffrey had 821 Total Touches in college…Dalvin Cook had 766 Total Touches in college. With that said they both have proven that they can carry the load. But the question is..have they had too many touches in college? Curtis Samuels has only 300 Total Touches in 3 seasons at Ohio State. And he will probably only get 150-200 touches a season in the NFL. But he will produce with his limited touches. Me personally I believe Samaje Perine..5’11 235 lbs should be our pick in the 3rd round. We need that big workhorse back and that speedy ‘change of pace” back..who can also move into the slot on 1st and 2nd down. I gotta go with the Combo Samuels/Perine. McCaffrey and Cook are good backs and both can be 3 down backs. But I gotta go with this combo instead.

  118. Joeypoppems Says:


    The Samuel/Perine combo is really interesting to me. I see Samuel as more of a WR than a RB in the NFL. If he was used the way Tyreek Hill is used in the running game, like 5 or so carries a game, hewould be the ideal compliment to a guy like Perine.

    And I’ve said this multiple times now. I think Perine will have the most success in a committee rather than being a full time 3 down RB. Curtis Samuel makes a lot of sense as his partner in crime. That way Perine can still be a workhorse back and we still have explosiveness out of the backfield…

    I like that a lot actually…

  119. LakeLandBuc Says:

    Thanks Joeypop

  120. JimmyJack Says:

    To me Mccaffenery makes better sense then Cook. O bvisously I can’t speak for dirk cutter but it seems like Christian McCaffrey would take on the role that we see Chris Simms do for us. In that case you would have Jacquizz Rodgers and Doug Martin running between the tackles. If you try to find someone to replace Rodgers or Martin you are taking on the risk of running backs that have a very short career span and are prone to injury.

    I feel like that Chris Simms role for our offense is a weapon that you try to give open grass to and let that player work in space. It seems like you could draft Christian McCaffrey and have a play design set up to keep him healthy and from taking huge hits all the time

  121. Tom S. Says:

    McCaffery will not be available at 19 so no reason to “debate” the value when he’ll be taken higher.

    I’ve never accused Joe of knowing the value of players or drafts picks, and this article will not be the first time I do.

  122. JimmyJack Says:

    We still need to fix 3rd and 1. ranked dead last……and one of the worst 3rd and1 teams that’s ever played in the modern era

  123. JimmyJack Says:

    Tom players drop in the draft every year. There’s no telling who will drop this year. Could be this guy.

    Technically we don’t have to be ready for that scenario but it’s fun to pretend.

  124. Bucsfanman Says:

    Yea, I don’t know sometimes about fans. I look at Caff’s production and I see a rare talent. “Dynamic” is the word that comes to mind. But I don’t see the same respect for him as other backs in this draft. I think he’s going to be special, we’ll see.
    I tend to agree with Pickgrin on this one. It’s unlikely any of these guys fall to #19.

  125. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    I’m sorry I’ve haven’t seen either one of you muthaf@$#kas name on my pay check before. Ion work for y’all. You two mofos wit all the time in world to look up info. I’m at work right now homeboy. Ion post a gotd@$! thang to come across smart to anyone on here so your sentiment about what you see from me is totally irrelevant my g. F$!#k y’all thank y’all izz.

  126. LakeLandBuc Says:

    JoeyPop..Samuels is bigger and faster than Antonio Brown. He could play outside or in the slot. While Perine and Rodgers carry the load at RB.

  127. JimmyJack Says:

    Nole, youre at work? I see your very dedicated to your craft hahahaha

  128. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Now the only thang I will confirm to you two muthaf@$!kas is DC4 coming to Tampa real soon. All that other s@$! don’t mean that much to. You DRWs can feel about your astoot ability to retrieve info. I guess y’all feel that makes you smart or some s@$!. Not really in mt book if you two mofos so smart you would be somewhere about dolla. Not jbfin all day. Y’all boys wild. Typin all that s@$! to make ya self feel good about ya self. I would be impressed if one of you mofos could show me some NFL credentials. But ya can’t you two like every mofo inclyding myself on here jag.

  129. LakeLandBuc Says:

    The problem I have with drafting a RB in the 1st round..We had 5 RBs to miss time last season because of injuries. Our O-Line was horrible in run-blocking..I can see 1-2 backs getting hurt, but 5? That’s not a Coincidence, that’s just awful blocking.

  130. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Jack EAD.

  131. JimmyJack Says:

    Christian McCaffrey looks like it will be a System running back. If this guy gets put into the wrong system that he will be ineffective. I think the Buccaneers are a perfect fit for a player like him.

    I haven’t really seen much of the guy except sports center but he doesn’t look like the prototypical runner most teams use.

  132. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    And Hawaiian feel free to think its ridiculous that’s your opinion and mines a little diffrent from yours. Like standford been a hot bed for NFL players lately man please.

  133. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Anybody can run behind stanfords O line. They keep some big beefy dudes in that system. Again the level of competition wasn’t all that.

  134. LakeLandBuc Says: maybe right. I was reading an article this morning about our Mock Drafts. And 12 Mock drafts has Dalvin Cook as our pick..the next closest is 3 Mock Drafts for O.J Howard and David Njoku………

  135. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Key word “System Running back”. Much like he was in school.

  136. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Lakeland because they are aligning themselves with what they know is about to happen to make themselves look smart.

  137. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    I been asking for bets for weeks because of how strongly I feel about my position. Talkin @$$ mofos.

  138. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    And do be honest I don’t expect any of you to pay up. I just wanna be able to point that out about you all everyday.

  139. LakeLandBuc Says:

    Well Jabrill Peppers tested positive for a diluted sample at the Combine.

  140. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Anybody can run behind stanfords O line. They keep some big beefy dudes in that system.”

    “Like standford been a hot bed for NFL players lately man please.”


    LMAO. Don’t know what else I can say.

  141. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I may need a translator to understand exactly what you are saying. I’m going to go out on a limb and say your paycheck doesn’t come from the Department of Education.

  142. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Now the only thang I will confirm to you two muthaf@$!kas is DC4 coming to Tampa real soon”…..”I been asking for bets for weeks because of how strongly I feel about my position.”


    You mean like when you swore last year the Bucs were going to win the Super Bowl? You don’t exactly have the best track record when it comes to making predictions. I wonder if you’ll just disappear again for a little while if we don’t pick him. Now I’m really confused as to what I want to happen.

  143. NFLNut Says:

    It sounds like the Panthers are in love with him … let them take him at #8

  144. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    I’ll swear every year the Bucs are going to the Superbowl @$$ wipe. Y’all so sensitive, how exactly a guy on the internet causes so much sand to enter your p$$y is beyond me. And if you don’t get what the post is saying its makes you look really stupid replying to it wouldn’t you say bright boy.

  145. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Wondering if someone will disappear ,dumb@$$. Y’all show your hand so easily. You can’t have any fuzz on your lil nut $@c because you get moved emotinally way to easy. I grew up with s@$! talk in sports and in my community. There literally was no way around it. Keep yo punk @$$ mouth closed and you won’t see me mention ya Hawaii 5.0 @$$ name. Bright boy.

  146. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Ima stay right here just to f@$! wit you and few others.. Believe dat. Get it ( Believe that ).

  147. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Seems to me the only one getting upset is you. Calm down there before you bust a blood vessel. I think you need a little perspective. I guess I hope for your sake we draft Dalvin, because I’m afraid you may jump off the Skyway if we don’t.

  148. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Bright boy? Lmao.

  149. Capt.Tim Says:

    He’ll be long gone,
    But McCaffery is a deadly weapon.
    When your Running back, is also one of your Best Wrs??
    You can roll him into, or out of the backfield, and the defense wont have the oportunity to substitute in the right defensive package!

    Or you kidding me?? That alone will have your offense with so many mismatches!!

    Yeah Kotter could find a use for him!

    More so than the animal abusing, posse running, bad shouldered Davin Cook