Chucky Echos Koetter’s Frustration

January 15th, 2017
"You are absolutely right Koetter! You should be able to work with Jameis in the winter. It's f@#$ing bull*&^% you are not allowed to. Jiminy Christmas!"

You are absolutely right, Koetter! You should be able to work with Jameis in the winter. It’s f@#$ing bull*&^% you can’t. Jiminy Christmas!

Joe just loves winning Bucs coach Dirk Koetter — even when Koetter is indirectly calling Joe out — because the man speaks his mind.

Now if you talk to NFL people off to the side, one of their biggest frustrations is players can’t be coached up in the offseason per labor agreement rules — even if the player seeks out a coach for help.

Once or twice Koetter has grumbled about this publicly, that neither he nor his staff can reach out, for example, to America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, to help fine tune his development.

And we all know what a workaholic Jameis is and his desire to be the best. So it’s not like Jameis wouldn’t want to work with Bucs coaches in the offsesaon. He’s probably equally hacked off that he can’t hone his craft at One Buc Palace in the winter.

It’s a fair complaint and a bit shocking NFL owners don’t do away with this nonsense in the next labor contract. They aren’t seeing proper development of their investments, which in the long-term is hurting the game, and also, hurting their business model.

Well, it seems the greatest coach in Bucs history, Chucky, shares Koetter’s angst.

Yesterday, Adam Schefter of BSPN learned the Colts approached Chucky’s agent to see if he would want to coach Indianapolis and stud quarterback Andrew Luck.

Not surprisingly, Chucky declined (Joe has always believed Chucky has no interest in coaching. Otherwise, he long ago would have returned to the sidelines). One reason Chucky wants to stay in the BSPN booth, typed Schefter, is the same reason Koetter is irked because he can’t work with Jameis through the winter.

Gruden intends to remain in the television booth, sources said, in part because of the coaching restrictions of the NFL’s collective bargaining agreement.

This is very interesting to Joe. Think about it: Chucky has a chance to coach one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL in the prime of his career. Luck will be 28 this fall. Most coaches would kill for such an opportunity.

But Chucky won’t, in part, because his coaching of Luck (and others) would be limited.

To Joe, that is fairly significant and only highlights Koetter’s very real frustration shared with other NFL coaches.

26 Responses to “Chucky Echos Koetter’s Frustration”

  1. Dooshlarue Says:

    I’ve always wondered how that rule is enforced.
    What’s to actually stop the coach and qb from doing it on their own?
    Does Goodell have a secret police force watching?

  2. 941BUC Says:

    Is this rule abides by the coach physically being present with thus player or does it go as far as coach and players cannot communicate or seek advice from each other in the off season? cause if its like that why doesn’t Koetter and Jameis just use technology and get it done.I.E. drones,line video feed,or maybe go out of the country where the rules don’t abide.

  3. macabee Says:

    The CBA can’t be changed now, but lots can still be done with the coach’s blessing and direction. Some time before the beginning of the new NFL year (March 9), Jameis Winston should seek the counsel and admonition of Tom House, former major league baseball pitcher, turned passing guru to the best QBs in the NFL.

    Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, and a long list of other NFL QBs have been advised and trained by House. Being a former baseball pitcher himself, I think Winston could relate to House’s experience and would be of immense help with his stride, mechanics, and accuracy. Tom Brady and Drew Brees swear by the positive effect House has had on their game. Drew Brees continues to this day having an annual visit with House!

    Winston would be wise to at least have a sit down with House. The NFL greats can’t all be wrong!

  4. Buc50 Says:

    If I were Gruden, I would never coach another game. He has it made in the booth and has much of the Superbowl lore of Madden without the “Boom”.

  5. Fire the glazers Says:

    I’ll bet teams like the patriots, the packers, the seahawks or the cowboys have found ways around this stupid rule.

  6. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    I’ve said it before

    ….and I’ll say over and over and over again

    Firing Gruden was one of the biggest mistakes this franchise has EVER did!!!!!

  7. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    ……….and to add to this post

    Gruden would be a fool to leave such a sweet gig / job from Espn…….he works half as much as a full-time Head Coach and has more time with his family and his personal life………it’s kinda of a NO BRAINER if you really think about it joe

  8. BigMacAttack Says:

    So hire Gruden to work with Jameis this offseason. Best of both worlds if Jameis can handle the cursing.

  9. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    I’m with Dooshlarue! C’mon Man…how do they possibly enforce this?

    It’s just like NCAA recruiting rules. I’m sure the HC’s rigidly observe rules about contacting prospects….yeah and monkeys occasionally fly out my butt.

    I simply cannot get this worked up because I do not understand the enforcement.

    So #3 and DK take their families to the park for a nice walk. Oh and somebody happens to bring a football in the picnic basket or an MS Surface loaded with an assortment of plays or training techniques.

    I do not think DK is spending the kind of coaching time where he is literally moving #3’s arms in a certain plane or carefully watching his stride but even then how do you stop it?

    So #3 is on a field and DK is in a nearby building watching. They text back and forth…is that a violation.

    Yes it’s a stupid rule but I’m sorry if I don’t believe it’s enforceable. If Belicheat is filming other teams practices and doing everything to gain an edge he’s not going to communicate with Brady if he feels it will help?

    Yeah and I have some stock in the Sunshine Skyway bridge for sale.

  10. Herschel Horowicz Says:

    DUNGY is the best coach the Bucs ever had and it’s not even close. Gruden is overrated and he knows it. We were lucky as fans that he just so happened to be our coach that super bowl and he was facing his former team that was still using his old playbook! He is not going to return to coaching because he has a great gig with no pressure and he forever gets looked at as if he’s some great coach. Remember what he said after winning the super bowl? You ain’t seen nothing yet Tampa! Right, then, the next season we start hot until, with like 4 minutes and some change and a 21 point lead on the colts, we somehow inexplicably blew it. I was at that game and I was amazed to see gruden throwing the ball, all we had to do was run the friggin clock out!! He blew what should have been an insurmountable lead and consequently the rest of our season went down the toilet. So, try and remember him accurately and give Dungy the credit he deserves.

  11. Aguayebrows Says:

    So you’re saying management doesn’t agree with the amount of vacation time labor collectively bargained for? I’m shocked!

  12. Eric Says:

    Just now recovering from the idiocy of firing Gruden, which so many brain dead bucs fans thought was a great idea.

    We just might get back to winning the division.

    I know how much you guys HATE that.

  13. Buc1987 Says:

    lol Eric…I’m with you.

  14. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    All I wanted from Gruden in the later half of his time here is back to back winning seasons. Ironically, he got that the last two years he was here and they still fired him.

    For Raheem Morris.


    But, to be fair…he was a horrible quarterback’s coach. He was called a guru, but he really wasn’t. He knew how to run an offense. HE knew what he wanted from a QB…he just was horrible at coaching it into them.

    “Coach Gruden loves his quarterbacks…he just doesn’t want to marry one.”

  15. JMN Says:

    @bigmac…That’s a terrible idea. Griden was a good coach but he was never good with his QB’s, especially the younger ones.

  16. Kobe Faker Says:

    LOL! Another episode of foot-in-mouthitis from our newbie clown

    this dude should shut his trap and bring in a legit nfl experienced offensive coordinator/Qb coach to teach our franchise QB

    2016, there was no caching during the season with Jameis. Monken was the recievers coach and our clown was trying to figure out rules at the end of the game

    Look at all the best playoff winning QBs. Present and all through the history of the NFL. All are cool and composed. the confident presense shown by the QB lifts the rest of the team

    I am a Jameis nuthugger, when i seen him headbutting a defensive lineman and acting like a middle linebacker at the dallas game, I knew he has regressed and his development is in big trouble with no common sense Koetter and Forrest Gump

  17. Stpetebucsfan Says:


    Are you for real or just trolling us? Some of your stuff…some here might say most of it…is so absurdly incorrect that I can’t believe you don’t know it.

    And so it makes me wonder if you’re simply a troll?

    No problem…troll away…if people don’t like you it’s on them to use their scroll wheels…as for me I like reading you for comic relief. I’m almost always laughing when I read your posts. So I guess in a perverse sort of way they are entertaining.

  18. Xandtar Says:

    Gruden’s going to make the Hall of Fame someday… as a broadcaster first and a coach second. He has THE Hall of Fame gig and he isn’t going to give that up for anything.

  19. Kobe Faker Says:

    You accept his emotional demeanor with his headbutting? how many times you seen that by a QB? where was the coaches? football and the qb position is about situtions. why wasnt jameis getting ready for the next play? what is the defense doing? this is situational football

    you watch football? and the qb position? you watching the playoffs this week?

  20. Buc1987 Says:

    Stpete …. you’re a glutton for punishment.

    2 days ago I clicked on the comments and went to straight to the bottom. Started reading the post at the very bottom. Couldn’t see the name. Read a few idiotic off the wall sentences and figured out who it was. Scrolled up and sure enough I was right.

    Kobe Faker wears out my scroll wheel daily.

  21. Buc1987 Says:

    Stpete…perhaps Kobe would prefer Schiano, Raheem or Lovie over Koetter. Certainly would prefer Dom over Licht all day.

    He’s stated a few times that he’s NOT even a Bucs fan. Which is quite obvious by how clueless he is regarding our team. He’s a Jameis fan. So if that’s not enough to hit the scroll then just read his foolish rants.

    I’ll just keep reminding everyone that he’s NOT a Bucs fan. Take him serious? Why?

  22. Mike Evans GOAT Says:

    @ Kobe F#cker
    I thought u were leaving weeks ago. A man has nothing if he doesn’t have his word. So I guess that makes u less than a man?

  23. Rod Munch Says:

    Gruden wants to stay in the MNF booth because he wants to be the next Maddon, it’s really that simple. I personally like Gruden dramatically more in the MNF booth than I ever did coaching the Bucs, but then again that’s an incredibly low bar. Gruden sent Keyshawn home, sent Sapp walking, cut Lynch – all because he needed everything to be about him, and in the MNF booth he gets to talk about himself a ton and there is nothing he loves more. Gruden isn’t leaving the booth unless they kick him out – and honestly I don’t think he does a bad job, although this years pairing with the lead announcer wasn’t good at all (and not sure why since I thought he did a good job with college football).

  24. Phil Says:

    6 million to call 20 games per year. Why leave?

  25. NS Says:

    Lol, Kobe. You take one instance of immaturity on the part of a 22 year old and take it as incompetency on the coaches part? Also, Foot in mouth? what are you even talking about. i’m convinced at this point you are just a computer simulated trolling machine programmed to use a bunch of buzz words. Please go rout for whatever team you like because it’s obviously not the Bucs

  26. Holy Facepalm Says:

    Monte sent Sapp walking, dumbarse. Sapp said it himself.