Team Glazer Liked What Was “Under The Hood”
July 19th, 2016
More from Joe’s chat with Bucs co-chairman Joel Glazer
Yes, Joe just inhaled a sandwich and re-listened to his 1-on-1 chat with Team Glazer at the NFL Owners Meetings in March.
In the bowels of the Boca Raton Resort & Club, Joe asked Bucs co-chairman Joel Glazer about 2015 experiences with Dirk Koetter that made hiring him as head coach a comfortable decision.
JoeBucsFan.com: When Lovie was hired it struck Joe because Lovie was a linebackers coach when he was here [in the 1990s], and your brother was on the podium introducing him saying, ‘We know Lovie well.’ Joe thought, ‘Wow, the owners know a linebackers coach.’ I know you said you to try to get to know everybody. Getting to know Dirk Koetter last year, what sort of stood out that made you comfortable hiring him as head coach?
Owner Joel Glazer: There are several aspects. You get to know Dirk the person and his work ethic, and what he believes in and his preparation. Then there’s Dirk on the field. You know, you could see what he was doing, or what our offense was doing and how he dealt with situations, and how he worked with Jameis. So when you have somebody in your organization for a year, and you’ve worked with them for a year and they know your players and you know them. You see all that, and that’s the best job interview you could have. You know, any other job interview, you meet with someone a few times; you kind of see what they did. But it’s not until you get under the hood and really know somebody that you know everything about them.
Nothing shocking from Joel Glazer there, but it is still telling. Joe believes Glazer’s take represents an element comprising the extreme pressure Koetter is under to win.
Not only do most fans expect Koetter to have a limited learning curve with the Bucs, because he was here last year and calls the offense, but ownership knows Koetter. And when you know someone, you’re more likely to have distinct expectations that outweigh your patience — if those expectations aren’t met.
(For those who missed the other parts of Joe’s chat with Team Glazer, they’re all right here.)
July 19th, 2016 at 12:41 pm
bottom line is the glazers tried to recreate the past which was not that great under dungy in the first place. dungy offenses were as embarrassing as lovies defenses. dungys game day management was only slightly better than lovies. malcom glazer set a standard when he bought team and dungy was canned because he could not get the job done and achieve the results malcom glazer expected. the media and some fans have this delusion that media darling dungy could do no wrong. lovie hire was a publicity stunt gone bad… they obviously did not research lovies many failures in chicago. giving lovie full control of the roster is one of the biggest mistakes in bucs history.
koetter had a year to interview and he produced with a rookie qb and inexperienced offensive lineman let us hope the growth continues. give me a dynamic offense and mediocre defense any day over the defense first philosophy bs that dungy & lovie tried to preach it rarely works just look p the last 10 Superbowl wining teams… too many bucs fans live in the past and confuse popularity with results
July 19th, 2016 at 1:08 pm
@tmax- There’s a lot of validity to what you’re saying. I got caught up in it along with many others. The only thing that I disagree with is your statement about the defensive philosophy. If you have the talent, you can win with a defensive football team. There has to be some balance though. You’ve got to be able to move the football. Those SB teams all had good defenses.
The smartest thing Koetter did was bring in Mike Smith. If he can strike a balance, man, watch out!
I think we know what to expect from our offense.
July 19th, 2016 at 1:14 pm
Bucsfanman
in a perfect world i’d love to have a #1 defense and #1 offense but salary cap will never allow that to happen. i am convinced the odds of winning a Superbowl with a power house offense is far greater than just having a powerhouse defense.. with rule changes defense win championship is not accurate its the exception not the norm. its a good debate but the numbers clearly backup more offensive teams win than defensive teams
July 19th, 2016 at 1:26 pm
What was the last great offense to win SB?
July 19th, 2016 at 1:28 pm
Pretty sure the last 3 SB were wondering with defense.
July 19th, 2016 at 1:28 pm
Won’t with defense
July 19th, 2016 at 1:29 pm
Won with
July 19th, 2016 at 1:29 pm
St. Louis Rams, 2001
July 19th, 2016 at 1:33 pm
Let’s get ready to Rumbleeeeee!!!!
July 19th, 2016 at 1:39 pm
Koetter and Smith have had success together in the not too distant past. I think with Koetter calling the shots on O and Smith letting his studs finally get after it; looking at you McCoy, David and Kwon – we will be far more successful than people are currently predicting. That’s why I already bought ticket for the Raiders game – most likely they will be hard to get when the Bucs get hot…traveling from Richmond VA for that game.
July 19th, 2016 at 1:51 pm
Calibucfan
panthers had a league mvp at qb hardly a defense only team
broncos had a higher rated defense but a hall of fame qb
patriots tom brady enough said
seahawks had top rushing attack
ravens joe flacco had a career year and their defense was good not great
giants, packers, indy and saints all had top offenses a decent defenses
Dungy and Lovie could not field an offense to save their lives…
The point is you can’t solely focus on defense and ignore your offenses especially with all the recent rule changes. days of the old bucs and ravens defenses winning superbowls with ZERO offense is over…
it’s so funny that ravens dominate d could win with dilfer yet dungy could not.
July 19th, 2016 at 2:03 pm
Sorry, I don’t see this “extreme pressure to win.”
I see a team that for the first time since Gruden is headed in the right direction for a change….barring a complete, total Lovie-esque meltdown.
July 19th, 2016 at 2:08 pm
Joe – its frustrating when you write a post that won’t go through despite multiple attempts. No “awaiting moderation” – just won’t post at all. Its only on certain threads but is becoming more frequent. Have seen others having this issue as well.
July 19th, 2016 at 2:23 pm
Yeah tmax, BALANCE is the word. I don’t necessarily think that you CAN’T win with solely a dominant defense, but I do think it would be much harder to do so these days. A factor that you mentioned above and gets lost in offensive production is a run-game. You don’t have to sling the ball all over the place as some suggest with the “passing league” rhetoric. Those SB teams, for the most part, ranked in the top third as far as rushing is concerned.
@William Berry- The Rams were ranked 7th overall defensively in points against. Talk about stacked!
July 19th, 2016 at 2:48 pm
I think we have one of the better Offenses we’ve had in many years……it has a chance to be much more than adequate…….if the Defense improves like we think it should…..we could have a winner very soon.
As far as the pressure on Koetter….sure, it’s there, but I think the Glazers have got to be getting wary of canning a coach every two years….lets hope Koetter makes steady progress….
July 19th, 2016 at 3:06 pm
Problem with all of this chatter is..We still won’t know what we got until the 1st 6 games or so…
July 19th, 2016 at 3:26 pm
@ bucs since 76.
Ever spend a fall afternoon watching the Spiders?
@tmax
You are on point. The idea of how to recreate the past,or in the case of Rah
Copy the Steelers, points to ownership not looking forward for the team’s direction.
It would appear that the hiring of Licht and his subsequent promotion in terms of responsibility is a move to the future and creating a new template vs looking backwards to ‘re-create the glory days of the past ( 1 playoff w).
July 19th, 2016 at 3:37 pm
it speaks to more patience in my opinion, Joe….when they know what they have in a coach on hand….plus he’s jameis’ coordinator, and the cohesion will only get better as the years go by. We have a tougher schedule..and my mindset is to expect greatness…not settle for 2-3-4th place. Realistically, a tougher schedule….so even with that mindset I am not going to pull the trigger in the first two years. He gets three full years in my book.
July 19th, 2016 at 3:54 pm
@Tmax FTW
Brady/Belichick won 13 division titles and 10 championship appearances together
Thru those years, many different defensive players and 10 different Defensive schemes and 10 different philosophys , but the 1 constant was number 12
“It was, It is, and It will always be about the QB” Kobe Faker
“I wanted to be drafted by the Tampa Bay Bucs & GM Nipples Licht and play in front of Kobe Faker” Sterling Shepard
July 19th, 2016 at 4:57 pm
@Bucsfanman … “BALANCE is the word”. Agree 100%. Doesn’t mean that both offense and defense have to be equally good however. An outstanding defense can get by with an average offense, be very competitive, and even win a Super Bowl (2000 Ravens? 2002 Bucs?). And an outstanding offense can get by with an average defense and do the same thing (several Patriots teams?). Our Bucs offense is on the upswing I’m convinced. Hopefully our defense can say the same at the end of the year.
July 19th, 2016 at 4:58 pm
@Joe … “And when you know someone, you’re more likely to have distinct expectations that outweigh your patience — if those expectations aren’t met.” All team owners have high expectations I would think (a LOT of their money is at stake). I’d expect that they’re more interested in the ‘direction’ that coaches/GMs have the team headed in than anything else. Lovie, for instance, had a better record in 2015 than in 2014, but the ‘direction’ was headed south and the Glazers knew it. Bye bye Lovie. I’d surmise that every NFL HC feels very similar pressures to put the best product on the field and to win. It’s a ‘what have you done for me lately’ league.
July 19th, 2016 at 5:11 pm
With Raheem, Schiano and Lovie, I don’t see guys who deserve any patience.
Time will tell for Koetter, but his performance at OC in 2015 with three rooks in key positions was, by far, the best coaching season this team has had for many, many years.
The fans saw it. The Glazers saw it.
That alone deserves some patience…unless there is a total meltdown (which I doubt will happen.)
July 19th, 2016 at 5:24 pm
before dungy got to indy their defense was awful…even with peyton being mvp and setting records….dungy came in fix the defense and won a superbowl….lovies defense was so good in Chicago they went to the superbowl without a qb(rex grossman)….to say one is incompetent and the other is overrated is ridiculous….GO BUCS!!!!
July 19th, 2016 at 5:36 pm
I think the Glazers are all-in with Jameis & securing Koetter was part of that…..even if the rest of the team is mediocre….a well developed and motivated Jameis can win championships. As long as Jameis improves the team will likely also improve…..Koetter is safe.
July 19th, 2016 at 5:44 pm
I think he has a minimum of three years unless he does Lovie bad. That was bad. Hes hot time. The problem with Lovie was a failed the most where he was least expected to. Did the team improve in year 2….yes. However the improvement came from koetter, not lovie. Offense not defense. The defense had to years to put a good product on thw field, koetter did well in his first season and a rookie qb. If Lovies defense had produced and the offense sputtered, lovie would still be here. Koetter I feel will be given a fair shot as long as he doesnt completely blow it
July 19th, 2016 at 5:53 pm
813bucboi
considering neither lovie or dungy have career winning record in the post season both are clearly overrated and products of the media and not actual results… anyway you look at it dungy going into hall of fame is a discredit to deserving coaches
July 19th, 2016 at 7:39 pm
I still think the glazers need to leave town. Their father, with all do respect to his good name, was the last smart glazer in the front office, and all hopes of the Bucs ever hoisting another Lombardi under the ownership of any glazer boy died with him. Sell the Bucs to someone with passion and huevos.
July 19th, 2016 at 7:51 pm
@Duke – absolutely watched the Spiders..Sunny ’bout 50 degrees…beautiful fall days here. Miss Tampa though!
July 19th, 2016 at 7:59 pm
I’d love to hear team Glazer say, in plain English, why they canned the Lovemeister. I’m sure it would sound something like tmaxcon’s openning comment here but I’d still like to hear them mouth the words. Probably in 10 years, perhaps.
Tmaxcon: Spot on with your Dungy / Lovie take. How many coaches have one SB win and won’t sniff the hall? Many!
July 19th, 2016 at 8:15 pm
@Tampabaybucfan
I hate to break it to you, But the Glazers were flat out embarrassed by the Incompetent one!!! That is why they got so close to canning him after the 2014 season!!! The Embarrassment did not stop in 2015, They knew coach my scheme had to be removed!!! After that, was the moment when they started thinking what was best for JW3!!!!!!
July 19th, 2016 at 8:37 pm
@Bring bucs back
Coach my scheme was out of excuses for his incompetence!!!! His defense, game management, and discipline issues are that bad and you get outcoached, The Glazer’s had to ask what is the incompetent one bringing to the table????
July 19th, 2016 at 8:46 pm
The Buc Realist
The big issue is why did they hire the incompetent one in first place look at all the gun issues, high speed chases and mental breakdowns bears players had under the incompetent ones watch in chicago
July 19th, 2016 at 8:50 pm
@tmaxcon
after the media destroyed Coach Schiano, They would have hired Monte Kiffen’s grandchild if he ran the tampa 2!!!! Because most and that includes the media thought that the roster at the time was being held back and a defense like coach my scheme would “turn everyone loose!!!”
July 20th, 2016 at 12:59 am
I know facts dont matter on this site but dungy is barely the the third best coach in bucs history john McKay has a 4-1 playoff record without free agency… much more impressive than the do no wrong dungy…. dungy and mccoy are without a doubt the 2 most overrated bucs in history…
Dungy should have spent more time dealing with his on family issues than writing and preaching about father first crap and defending vick…
July 20th, 2016 at 9:22 am
tmaxcon,
I agree that Dungy is probably getting into the HOF because of a popularity vote, and I agree that McCay was a better coach, but McCay’s playoff record is actually only 1-3.
That’s where we disagree.
July 20th, 2016 at 9:24 am
*McKay
July 20th, 2016 at 11:01 am
Isn’t this the same AssHat the thought Morris, Schiano and Lovie were the answer?
July 20th, 2016 at 4:23 pm
Bucko40 nailed it. The Glazers haven’t had a good hire since Malcolm fell ill.
Frankly, they got lucky that Tony Dungy, their third choice behind Jimmy Johnson and Steve Spurrier, panned out. They also go lucky that Al Davis was willing to trade/sell Jon Gruden at the perfect time.
Since then, the Bucs have had a parade of ill-suited coaches; although, the horrific drafting since McKay lost the power struggle to Gruden certainly played a part in the demise.
July 20th, 2016 at 6:35 pm
I’m thrilled there is pressure to win. Drafting a QB #1 overall there is no grace period. I really like the schedule this year. Go out and at least get a split to start the season. Koetter and licht get two years to get a playoff birth and no more time IMO. This losing stench has to get out of One Buc Place quickly. Trapped in football purgatory since Gruden was fired ridiculous.