Do Bucs Deserve A “B+?”

May 1st, 2016
Kicker Roberto Aguayo

Kicker Roberto Aguayo

Nothing quite like grading a draft within hours of its completion.

It’s almost like projecting the performance of a woman before a night of romance begins.

Still, its what most football people do to pass time in early May. One such fellow is the Custodian of Canton, eye-RAH! Kaufman, of The Tampa Tribune.

TAMPA BAY: GM Jason Licht wasn’t afraid to massage the draft board, emerging with perhaps the three best prospects at their respective positions in CB Vernon Hargreaves, DE Noah Spence and K Robert Aguayo, who came at a high cost. All should make an immediate impact in 2016. GRADE: B+

The first thing Joe will latch onto is Kaufman’s prediction of Noah Spence making an immediate impact in 2016. Joe expects little from Spence.

Look for Spence to be a rotational player primarily used as a third-down specialist. Especially early in the season. The NFL list of impact rookie DEs is short.

The Bucs were excited to sign “bridge” free agents, so they could actually serve as bridges to allow rookies to develop in a more organic fashion.

And, frankly, the Bucs are not a patient organization by NFL standards. The Jason Licht-Dirk Koetter regime is in win-now mode. Fans will be in uproar if the Bucs can’t improve on their record. If Jacquies Smith and Robert Ayers are the best starting DEs, then so be it.

Of course, kicker Roberto Aguayo must produce immediately.

206 Responses to “Do Bucs Deserve A “B+?””

  1. Tom Edrington Says:

    No guarantee when it comes to kickers because the pro goalposts are much narrower than they are in college and the ball is a bit bigger as well… we really don’t know….

    I’m with Joe, you can accurately grade a draft after the season.

  2. wesley Says:

    And if Spence beats those guys out then so be it.

  3. Dave Pear Says:

    It’s almost like projecting the performance of a woman before a night of romance begins.
    They already get an A+ if their sleeping with me!

  4. Destro44 Says:

    Don’t be so quick to write of Spence contribution this year. Most highly touted DE prospects rely on their physical ability to beat college OLmen and struggle when they play NFL caliber linemen. Spence isn’t a physical freak like say Ogbah, every report says he is very clean technically and has numerous pass rush moves. Most DE prospects have speed and never take the time to develop their game.

  5. Eric Says:

    The media like Ira keep saying the BUCS lost multiple picks or gave up too much when they DID NOT. The BUCS had 1 2nd round pick, 1 3rd round pick and 2 4th round picks, totaling 4 picks, before picking Aguayo. After picking Aguayo they had **2** 2nd round picks, 0 3rd round and 1 4th round, totaling 3 picks. That’s 4 picks vs 3 picks. They lost 1 4th round pick and moved their 3rd round pick up into the 2nd round. So they did not lose multiple picks, they lost 1 pick in the 4th round. Aguayo was projected as a 3rd round pick by a lot of different sites. If you’re going to pick him with your 3rd round pick anyway, then losing a 4th round pick to move up 15 spots to ensure you get your guy is not a bad move. 4th round picks are hard to project as immediate impact like Aguayo will be. Hell….4th round position guys aren’t even guaranteed to pan out. Unless Ira has forgotten, Tampa has lost games because of a kicker. Playoff teams and Super Bowl contenders don’t have kicker issues. Tampa fixed that problem with a transcendent kicker, as Licht said, or they could have waited another 10 years for an Aguayo type. Tampa started the draft with 7 picks and ended the draft with 7 picks. Not sure why people are freaking out. Licht has proven himself. Not sure why people want to start doubting him now. LOL

  6. Conor Says:

    Thank you Eric!!! I don’t understand why more people can’t wrap their heads around that concept the Bucs only lost one pick out of the deal .

  7. Destinjohnny Says:

    Jason’s first draft you almost have to give a D
    His second on I think we can say an A
    This one with the I feel like in the end will be a C-
    We needed or need to make our d line violent
    And the draft was deep enough and we had the pics to do it and we didn’t

  8. Dave Pear Says:

    I’ve always graded on a curve when it comes to the ladies.
    You want to sleep with me?=A+
    You don’t?=F must be a lesbian.

  9. Tiny Tim Says:

    How does jason’s first draft get a D? Some people.

  10. Pickgrin Says:

    Of course its way too early to judge – but this draft feels like a solid “B” from my perspective. I really like the Spence pick at #2 and feel like we got great value there. He definitely has 1st round talent coming into the NFL.

  11. Destinjohnny Says:

    Easy we passed on Donald for need
    Mike is solid but think about Donald and Gerald
    Austin dosent have it jarvis laundry was picked right behind him
    Then taking the rb at 3 passing on a guard tre turner that went right after that pick who has been in two pro bowls.
    When we need o line big time
    Sims is average and a dime a dozen player and we didn’t need a rb

  12. pete Says:

    “In the end, what’s done is done. The result is that the Bucs have a very good kicker, whether he’s worth what they gave up to get him or not.”
    And they have an Edge Rusher who improves their roster
    And they have an CB who improves their roster
    And they have an Safety / CB who may help
    And they have an Olineman who may help
    And they have an Linebacker who may help
    And they have a Fullback.
    More to hope for and to cheer for!
    Time will tell

  13. Dooshlarue Says:

    Amen Eric.

  14. Bucnut Says:

    The only people that think giving up 2 potential starters for a kicker is a great idea are those who reside in Tampa. Licht is being laughed at all over the NFL. Horrible pick. We have too many needs to blow a third and fourth on this guy.

  15. Fsuking Says:

    @Tom Edrington
    They are exactally the same size. This isn’t the 80’s man. Plus a slightly wider ball is slightly easier to kick.

  16. Buc Neckid Says:

    One, Maybe two of these picks, do NOT make the team
    and that is IT
    And three of the picks from this draft will be starters this year.
    THREE Starters is hard to give a grade of anything less than a B

  17. Destinjohnny Says:

    Buc not u are right – u just have to ask ur self if U want a dominating d or not.
    If you say yes you didn’t draft for it in this draft

  18. Tiny Tim Says:

    Too funny. Thanks for the clarification arm chair gm. No mention of pamphile who is a valuable member of our oline. What difference does it make if he was in the 5th rather than the 3rd. Your third round pick is part of the best running back tandem in the league. Mike evans is 1 of only 4 wr in history to start his career with back to back 1000 yards seasons. See you point out your preceive negatives to validate your point but i can squash all that nonsense. I love these arm chair gms. Is it still the silly season?

  19. Fsuking Says:

    Man U must really be plugged in to the tight knit NFL community. Or more realistically u regurgitated information from an earlier article posted on the comment boards here and stated by a guy nobody has ever heard off on a local radio station.

  20. Defense Rules Says:

    @Joe … “Of course, kicker Roberto Aguayo must produce immediately.”

    Agree Joe, but I’d guess that most can understand why Jason Licht grabbed Roberto Aguayo (although perhaps one round early?). From what I’ve read, over half of the games in 2015 were decided by 7 pts or less … not much margin there. Over one-sixth of the games in 2015 were decided by 3 pts or less. Throw in the recent rule changes in kickoffs, and skills like Roberto has can pay off very quickly.

  21. Fsuking Says:

    @Tom Edrington
    Look Mike Nugent was great in his last 3 years but not once in a lifetime. Sebastian Janikowski was pretty darn good but wasn’t nearly consistent enough to warrant a 1st or 2nd round pick. Roberto missed 4 kicks in his first 2 years and had an “awful”season by missing 5 last year. Janikowski’s best season saw him miss 5 kicks. Roberto Aguayo will be a HOFer and he WILL have the highest FG percentage in the history of the NFL. If he kicks a game winner deep in the playoffs he will be the GOAT. If u question spending a late 2nd rounder on the guy who will be the Bucs leading scorer in history, HOFer and GOAT then you must be a pissed of Patriots fan or someone who has no idea how great Roberto Aguayo really is.

  22. Fsuking Says:

    Sorry that last one wasn’t at you Tom, it was to everyone who questions greatest that is so clearly personified

  23. BamaBuc Says:

    Anyone watch the highlights for our UDFA WR from mount Union. I know level of completion was lacking but he might make some noise.

  24. JonBuc Says:

    Joe is right about DE’s contributing right away…I think of Shane Ray in Denver last season…a few flashes but nothing substantial. Of course he was playing behind some better players…as for Aguaoy…my hope is that he doesn’t for instance miss 3 in a row and go in the tank. That’s what happened to Nugent when he was here. Kickers are streaky…and the Bucs have no choice but to stick with him almost regardless. I would have liked the WR from Germany with the 1st 6th round pick…otherwise…pretty enjoyable watching it unfold this year.

  25. HIRE JIMBO Says:

    So we know any of the rookies #s yet, besides VH3

  26. Supersam Says:

    If your gonna bash someone for taking a kicker that high, bash Jameis. He’s the one who’s been in Lichts ear non stop since last year telling him he’s the greatest kicker in the Universe, so if your gonna point fingers do it at everyone involved.

  27. P'cola Buc Says:

    Many people doubted Licht last year when he moved up into the second round to draft a Div III football player last year. Unheard of! Licht went “out of the box” and drafted Marpet. This kid Aguayo will win games and bring back the excitement that Martin Gramatica did and as a fan I’m all for it! B or B+ for this draft.

  28. JonBuc Says:

    I stand corrected on the 1st 6th round pick…the German WR went a few picks before the Bond selection.

  29. LifeOfABucFan Says:

    Again and again…besides the fact they were first rated on their position..

    It’s important to know that drafting players, WANTING to be here, WANTING to be a Buc, WANTING to play with Jameis is VERY important to get rid of that cancerous growth that spread into the locker room last year..

    There’s the locker room culture that was another position that needed to get fixed. Bring players in who want to be here, have a connection with the great Jameis and want to be a Buc! 3 of the draftess WANTED to play with Bucs..

    Let me repeat that..okay here we go… THREE OF THE FOUR DRAFTEES WANTED TO PLAY WITH THE BUCS.

    VH3, Roberto, and Vitale and Spence is good pals with Jameis!!!…THEY WANTED TO PLAY HERE!!! Vitale said he knew he was going to be a Buc and held on tight …

    Hence why there’s a Buc not on the roster when he was GOOD!

  30. Fsuking Says:

    My seats are miserably close to the field when everyone gets up to get drinks after we score. Now on 4th down in opposing territory I can get up and beat everyone to the bud heavy. I don’t need to watch Roberto kick anymore, I know it’s going in. I’m just excited to see if he can get even better!

  31. rayjay1122 Says:

    Evaluation of the draft is impossible to do with an ounce of accuracy before these kids play one down in the NFL. Also injuries have to be factored in. Look what happened to the Jaguars first rounder last year…injured for the season before he could make a difference. Too many unknowns to judge. What we can do is evaluate if the positions picked fill needs or not and that is about it. Now the only thing is for the negative people to be themselves and the positive people to do the same. Then there are those in between who just remain cautiously optimistic.

  32. LifeOfABucFan Says:

    Let me add the days of players NOT wanting to represent the buccaneers is over..The days when they just want to collect their checks and not give two craps about the team is OVER..They will ONLY have a team that want to win!!

    Did anyone look at Danny Vitale’s twitters yesterday and some of the people that responded??? He wants to bring a SB to Tampa and wanted to be here more than any other team and Koetter had already talked to him…

    OMG..hard to believe Aguayo’s pick is still being questioned..I know it’s a slow season again, but I think we need new hobbies..I am just going to take up knitting…

  33. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Agree with your point completely!!!

    To rest of you armchair GM’s who post with such authority. Your smug certainty is soooo off putting if I wasn’t so freaking lazy I’d save your posts to see how “smart” you know it alls really are.

    With a 50-50 bust rate NOBODY knows how this class will turn out. Any or all could be busts.

    But you have morons on here who don’t even care…they’re written off a kicker before he’s failed. Well “football experts”….check out the top 25 point scorers of all time!!!!!

    I can save you from following the link…the top 25 all time scorers in the NFL are ALL KICKERS!!!

    The highest ranked non kicker is Jerry Rice who is sitting at 34th!!!

    IF…and I concede like all draft choices…Aguayo is an IF…will he choke or not…he certainly has the accuracy and distance…will he get injured..or injure himself like Grammatica…I do not know.

    But it’s CLEAR…if Aguayo performs in the NFL like he did in the NCAA this was a killer choice.

  34. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    BTW…the other pick that seem to upset people VHGIII because he’s short and doesn’t possess blazing speed.

    Ok be concerned if you must…but how about looking at what VHGIII brings to the table that no other corner did….he’s freaking stout…or as he’s been getting called “thick”. He’s built more like an RB than a DB!

    Hey…maybe Smitty just might use a little press coverage…wouldn’t it be nice to have a cornerback large and muscular enough to hand fight with the bigger receivers at the line of scrimmage. It’s not all jump balls in the end zone!!!

  35. LifeOfABucFan Says:

    Exactly StPete..

    Like someone said to me last night over dinner..kickers are not in a so called “sexy” position…while the rest of the players are bad ass positions, kickers are your nerds..But with a good nerd, you can win games..

    But we cannot ignore the fact that we needed accuracy and a player that dreamed of being a GAWD it’s like winning two lotteries in a row..

  36. Buc1987 Says:


  37. Pat Says:

    Whenever you are drafting in fantasy football, the last pick taken in the last round is the kicker. I just forgot this is a REAL draft. My rating: BE POSITIVE. keep cool

  38. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Impossible 2 grade now – Get at me in 3yrs

  39. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Aguayo is a excellent kicker from 01-39..

    2013-2015 FGA/FGM
    • 01-19: (1-1 ) = 100%
    • 20-29: (28-28) =100%
    • 30-39: (17-17) = 100%

    01-39 = 46/46 (Just a chip shot for this kid)

    But he’s an average to below average kicker from 40+

    2013-2015 FGA/FGM
    • 40 – 49: (18-24) = 75%
    • 50 – 99: (4-8) = 50%

    In the beginning he should excel in kickoffs, extra points, and any inside of 39 yards. But he’s a work in progress from 40+, and that’s where NFL kickers make their money.

  40. Stanglassman Says:


    I know many kickers including myself and I’ve only met one (Janikowski) person who prefers an NFL ball over a college one and he was a freak.
    College balls are slightly lighter and seem to have a easier to find sweet spot. NFL balls are fine and in time I could kick it as well but the transition is tougher for some kickers than others.

  41. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    *anything inside of 39 yards.

  42. Cobraboy Says:

    It’s interesting how Licht gets 3 of the best players at their positions—positions of need for the Bucs, BTW—yet still complain.

    The entire “round” thing is badly overblown; it’s merely a road sign. Someone tell be the difference between a “1st Round” #32 and “2nd Round” #33?


    Me neither.

    The Bucs “2nd Round” pick for Aguayo was 5 from being in the “3rd Round.”

    I know. Numbers are hard.

  43. Tampa Tony Says:

    Drafting a kicker in the second round means he needs to be perfect and miss zero kicks during his rookie contract.

    With that said draft grades are dumb and just a way to keep unoriginal sports writers busy during the off season

  44. Trubucfan22 Says:

    They are grading on the list of needs a team has and how hey filled they needs. Also based on betst player available when they picked their player. You can certainly grade the potential of the players and where they were picked. I hate when people nitpick and play elitist “its too early to have a mock draft.” Or “its too early to have draft grades.” But then those same people are posting about it on their blog and in the comments. It gives us football freaks something to talk about. be happy we have football to talk about in May.

  45. Stanglassman Says:

    If Aguayo is 85–90% that would be amazing.

  46. Fsuking Says:

    I know zero kickers so I’m no authority but in my experience of growing up with full size field goal posts in my backyard and kicking them both I like the NFL ball much more. But I know they have “k balls” in the NFL which are all shinny and not nearly as wide as a game used ball. They don’t have them in college so that could be why.

  47. Couch Fan Says:

    Drafting a kicker in the second round means he needs to be perfect and miss zero kicks during his rookie contract.
    Thats ridiculously stupid. Its like saying Jameis must complete every pass during his rookie contract. He’s going to miss some kicks. Licht has no intentions of him being perfect. Nobody is perfect. Just stop.

  48. Ed Says:

    Bleacher Report, wrote ” This was the dumbest pick in the history of the draft.”

  49. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    I love #3 but let’s remember. His legend or at least his record would not be as good if Aguayo hadn’t converted that FG with 3 seconds left against BC.

    Give Fameis credit for leading the drive that put the Noles in position but that team would not have been undefeated without Aguayo.

    That was a great combo on that game winning drive…Fameis playing his arse off to get the Noles in position and Aguayo closing the deal. Let’s hope we get to see that in the future with the Bucs. At least the pieces are in place.

  50. Cobraboy Says:

    Fsuking Says:

    I know zero kickers so I’m no authority but in my experience of growing up with full size field goal posts in my backyard and kicking them both I like the NFL ball much more. But I know they have “k balls” in the NFL which are all shinny and not nearly as wide as a game used ball. They don’t have them in college so that could be why.

    I know kickers well.

    The “K” ball is a ball guaranteed to be fully inflated.

    Back in The Day, some teams & kickers would cheat bu putting in balls on kicking downs that were underinflated by 3-4 lbs (much softer allowing more compression) and balls over inflated by 2-3 lbs. (think “brick”, especially on a cold day) for visitors. There is no difference between a K and regular ball. I won’t name names, but a few old kickers made a living off of soft footballs.

    Used to be the college & NFL balls were different, the Wilson Duke for the NFL and the Spalding J5V, or the Rawlings ball in college. I don’t know if that’s the case today. The Duke was slightly shorter and a smidgen fatter, the J5V pointier and slightly more narrow. The Duke could tumble better for kicking with a fatter sweet spot and could “fly” better, but the Spalding ball could spiral more easily for punting because of a longer sweet spot.

  51. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Will you still read Bleacher Report? That was the dumbest freaking statement I’ve ever read!!!!

    Do you guys know what the word hyperbole means? Apparently somebody at Bleacher report is too ill educated to grasp the concept.

    This was the dumbest pick in the history of the draft.”

    Really? I won’t return the favor by saying it was the worst bit of draft analysis I’ve ever read…but it’s pretty damn close. Especially for anybody who has followed this franchise. If Aguayo pulls a hammy in pre season and NEVER even kicks in the NFL it won’t be the worst pick for even the Bucs…much less the entire league for it’s entire history.

    Do some of you guys believe that exaggeration in any way makes your posts any stronger?

  52. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    I need your help bro. It’s getting deep in here and I need you to get me to chill.
    You are correct many of these posts are not even worth a response.

  53. SB with Jameis Says:

    I can TOTALLY judge the performance of a woman in bed the night before ‘romance’ ( see, getting freaky deaky ) but I agree that I am not the norm.

  54. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Ahh Lawd – somebody in got StPete started.

    Let me grab a glass

  55. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Thanks for that insight. But it does beg one question.

    The “K” ball is a ball guaranteed to be fully inflated.

    Even in a playoff game in New England. Ok a little snark but I couldn’t resist.

  56. Couch Fan Says:

    Lol That cant be true cuz Janikowsky was drafted in the 1st so that by default would be the dumbest move in the history of the draft. Nice try though.

  57. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    I thought we agreed the other night that the glass isn’t the way to go…unless it’s at the bottom of a bowl! 🙂

  58. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    SB with Jameis

    lol – no doubt.

    You must partake before you date

  59. LUVMYBUCS Says:


  60. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Nah, I’m talking about for a drink brotha. lol

  61. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    So does that lead us to a game..

    Who was the worst pick in NFL draft history?

    Ryan Leaf? Gaines Adams?…I bet you guys are loaded with candidates.

  62. Fsuking Says:

    That has only happened twice man it’s totally unrealistic to expect a perfect season. That being said I would probably take 18-1 odds on Roberto having a perfect season, a total waste of $ with any other kicker. I think he will be the third to do it

  63. SB with Jameis Says:

    Fsuking Says:
    May 1st, 2016 at 6:08 pm
    @Tom Edrington
    They are exactally the same size. This isn’t the 80’s man. Plus a slightly wider ball is slightly easier to kick.
    They are Not the same size. NFL goal posts are 4 foot narrower and a bigger ball is Not easier to kick further and more accurately.

  64. Fsuking Says:

    Well not only did u completely agree with everything I said and reinforce my point, you also made the point that “k balls” are always fully inflated and no different than a regular football. What are you talking about bro? A game ball is game worn and altered to the QBs preference. A “K ball” is completely unaltered, rock hard and shinny. Like you completely agree with me and then make something up? Kickers hate these things bro, ask your freinds

  65. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Dang this is getting funny. Here I am defending a Gator pick and a Nole pick and I’m neither a Gator or a Nole. Love both teams. My wife went to USF so I gotta take the Bulls over those two to keep peace in the house…but I generally root for both teams and in the big game I root for the team with the most on the line..IE a title or undefeated season. Go GatorNoles! And now…GO BUCS.

  66. old buc fan Says:

    I can’t really believe you guys have a love affair with Roberto, failing to see the real issue. That is what we had to give for him, losing a draft pick however gained was just too much to give with a team that could have filled much greater needs. Yes our kicking was atrocious at best during the first three games. Then we got rid of Brinza and got Connor back and it greatly improved. Yes Roberto is a great college kicker and hopefully pro. We have him and the issue should be over but if you’re going to quote obviously tainted numbers and compare position 32 & 33 as being the same go do more research. You sound like a IRS agent.

  67. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Speaking for Pablo

    “Pablo gives the draft an A+…..of course ……and Pablo appreciates Hason making sure we got Roberto.”

  68. Fsuking Says:

    Dude come on bro at least click one tab over and do a little research before making yourself seem dumb. I know your not u have some good comments on here. Ever been to a bulls game? Or like any bowl game?

  69. SB with Jameis Says:

    May 1st, 2016 at 7:58 pm
    Ahh Lawd – somebody in got StPete started.

    Let me grab a glass
    Lol LUV. I will do the same. Hope all is good with you and yours bro.

  70. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    We Good Bro – same to you

  71. Fsuking Says:

    18 ft 6 inches anywhere u go, even Canada. And like Cobraboy said while he was misreading my comment, it’s an opinion which ball a kicker likes. Plus, there are different versions of college balls. Certain balls like the GST have big fat composite laces which hurt like hell of your foot and have to affect ball flight in someway

  72. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    You have to judge the draft as a whole…..the problem is that the extra pick Licht used was acquired by Licht during the draft…..we still ended up with our original 7 picks.
    Sure, it seems to many the price was too high for Aguayo…but it’s too soon to make that judgement…..give it about 3 years like most players get.
    As for the rest of the draft……picks 1 & 2 were very solid….and if we get even one eventual starter out of picks 4,5,6 & 7… will be a great draft.
    Somehow I think we will be pleasantly surprised by one or more of the bottom 4 picks……..Vitale may be a huge wild card. Caleb is solid…..and Smith may also be a sleeper.

    I think we really improved our special teams…and don’t forget we likely improved our punter in FA.

  73. SB with Jameis Says:

    FSU. No I have never been to a Bulls game. Yes I have been to several UF bowl games and a couple FSU ones. I fail to see how I appear dumb for saying a larger ball is not easier to kick further. But I don’t know why we would fight. You mistook a comment I posted a few weeks ago and completely went after me. I am just trying to maintain camaraderie as best I can.

  74. Fsuking Says:

    U just said goalposts in college are 4ft wider. They are not. Do people even read my comments on here or just glance in their direction

  75. SB with Jameis Says:

    StPeteBucsFan Says:
    May 1st, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    I thought we agreed the other night that the glass isn’t the way to go…unless it’s at the bottom of a bowl! 🙂

  76. Fsuking Says:

    And I don’t remember going after you? Unless u said something dumb. Lol I’m jk

  77. SB with Jameis Says:

    FSU……No I did not scroll down comments before posting. It is a Sunday afternoon. I have been fishing, mountain bike riding with my son and have pitched at least 150 balls to him and his friend. I am now drinking some Montana Roughstock Bourbon and am not really interested in nitpicking someone’s stuff. My bad if I got something wrong due to lack of whatever.

  78. Fsuking Says:

    It’s all good. But u can see how it’s annoying that 2 people so far have corrected my accurate statement about goalpost width. Plus I’m pretty bored, hence the heavy activity on

  79. SB with Jameis Says:

    You went after me when I said “FSU football is over” to all the people that wanted us to trade up to 5 or 3 to get Ramsey. I wasn’t saying literally that “FSU ‘football’ is over” I was just saying that Ramsey isn’t a Seminole anymore and start thinking about your Bucs first. It was just kinda the same thing I just did by not reading fully into my post as I did not yours

  80. BucGator Says: gave us a B.

  81. Cobraboy Says:

    StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Who was the worst pick in NFL draft history?

    Ryan Leaf? Gaines Adams?…I bet you guys are loaded with candidates.

    Was there EVER a worse #1 than Booker Reese or Tony Mandarich?

  82. SB with Jameis Says:

    Plus I’m pretty bored, hence the heavy activity on

  83. LifeOfABucFan Says:

    Saints, Bucs, Raiders, Jets, were the teams close in contact with Roberto…he would have gone to someone else..and pretty quickly…and this is from Roberto himself…

    So yeah, glad we got him…and didn’t risk..

    GO BUCS!

  84. rayjay1122 Says:

    Hang in there SPBF. I was enjoying some free Patron Silver that I received from the Tampa Hard Rock Casino. I am proud of my self control to just go in for my free bottle and walk out without gambling. That is the same self control I use with the idiotic comments that a few quasi humans post here. There are several intelligent people here such as yourself and TBBF and others as well. Basically, everyone who shares my opinions are intelligent and the others are not…LOL

  85. The Buc Realist Says:

    StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Who was the worst pick in NFL draft history?

    It would have to be picking dominik to run the draft!!!!!!!!!

  86. Fsuking Says:

    Yea I’m guilty. I see the words FSU football is over and I go blind with rage. FSU football is strong baby. Whoooo! And last year was my first season ever liking the Bucs more than the Noles. Don’t get me wrong here though I haven’t missed a Bucs home game since I graduated from FSU 3 years ago. Didn’t miss one of those in 6 years up there

  87. Cobraboy Says:

    Fsuking Says:

    Well not only did u completely agree with everything I said and reinforce my point, you also made the point that “k balls” are always fully inflated and no different than a regular football. What are you talking about bro? A game ball is game worn and altered to the QBs preference. A “K ball” is completely unaltered, rock hard and shinny. Like you completely agree with me and then make something up? Kickers hate these things bro, ask your freinds

    The “regular” NFL game ball is NOT “altered” to the QB’s preference.

    I did NOT agree with you. You were wrong. The “K” ball is just guaranteed to be 100% spec, that’s it. Not too much air, not too little air.

    I’m not sure what “shinny” is. Shiny? Skinny? But technically it makes no difference.

    FWIW, I have about 45 years+ of kicking/ST geek in my background…

  88. SB with Jameis Says:

    I congratulate you for your Loyalty to your school. I graduated from UF in 89. However my dad bought season tickets to the Bucs in ’76 when I was 9 yrs old. I didnt miss a home game for 20 years. He sold the tickets in ’96 when we hired Dungy and I have never let him live it down. So we have slightly different football backgrounds but we are Bucs fans Now!!! Go Bucs

  89. Fsuking Says:

    Doesn’t the worst pick in NFL history have to be Ryan Leaf? Not only did he suck giant bags of d#%ks, he set the Chargers franchise back about as far as any player could cause they replaced him with Drew Brees, who was subsequently one of the worst trades of all time, for one side

  90. Cobraboy Says:

    Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I think we really improved our special teams…and don’t forget we likely improved our punter in FA.

    The addition of Anger and Aguayo improve the Buc kicking game from bottom-tier to potentially top-tier.

    Bryan Anger has a laser-guided howitzer for a leg…

  91. Tom Says:

    Yes the only lost 1 pick but we still would of got the kicker in the 3rd round . Bucs needs all the help they can get.

  92. mike10 Says:

    Joe, I think you just brought a tear to my eye..

    For years I have been begging for this mentality. Where you’re not plugging guys into starting roles because that’s where you drafted them, or how much you paid em.

    “Bridge” players is excactl what we need to be thinking, then you develop high talent guys behind them.

    As far as judging a woman’s performance, look in them eyes cause you can’t hide crazy… I’m sure they looked close into Spence’s

  93. Fsuking Says:

    Grandpa did I the same thing 76′ to 89′ he had some premium 50 yard line tickets. He actually had his picture up on an ad in the original Tampa stadium which is how he got them. Gave them up the year I was born. It’s gonna take me 20 years just to get back near the 50 yard line.

  94. Tom Says:

    With the last pick i give the bucs B+ that dude is a alstott clone.

  95. SB with Jameis Says:

    LOL…….Yeah my dad who is 70 now was one of the first 1000 Season Tix holders ever. We were second row 40 yard line, right behind the Bucs Bench and close to the Camera. Our family used to get put up on commercial breaks all the time cause we used to wear the same Bucs Shirts every game in the early years. In the 80s and 90s he wouldn’t even go to the games and would give me all 4 tix so I could take my friends.

  96. DB55 Says:

    Here’s my Sunday morning GM draft (just for its and giggles)

    1. Treadwell
    2. Spence
    3. Braxton Miller
    4. Aguayo
    4b. Andrew Billings
    5. Miles Killebrew
    6. Super back was cool with me.

    As for me I’ll grade it a C+ bc of the 4th n 5th round picks. Just thought Killebrew has an AWESOME name, seems like a ball hawk, brings serious wood when he hits and runs like a RB.

  97. rayjay1122 Says:

    UMMMM, I may be wrong but I think the worst pick in the history of the Bucs was Bo Jackson. Picking a kicker with a very strong college resume who wants to be a Buc who barring injury will improve upon the Bucs 2015 kicking stats below is not by far the worst pick.

    FGM: 29
    FGA: 40
    PCT: 72.5%
    20-29 YDS: 10-11
    30-39 YDS: 10-11
    40-49 YDS 4-9
    50+ YDS: 5-9

    There is no way to reason with the folks who hate the pick though, so I am not going to try. I think it was a solid draft based on needs and the potential of the guys selected. I was not real excited about Kwon Alexander and look what he has done. I trust the new regimes evaluation of what their team needs to become contenders.

  98. GhostofSchiano Says:

    I give a B grade. also like the signing of the kid from Auburn…6’2 282lbs Defensive End signed after the draft. looks promising

  99. Fsuking Says:

    Not bad but I think Lichts was better. I wanted Silverberry Mouhon because of his legendary name. SILVERBERRY is on this guys birth certificate!

  100. DB55 Says:


    I’d say Ravens and Texans had the best drafts. Ravens loaded up on DEs and Texans prob have the best WR Corp in the league (on paper at least).

  101. DB55 Says:


    Silver berry and bond sounds like characters from the key and Peele skits. Bond def looks like one.

  102. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    OK…’s one.

    I believe this is the case…

    The Tampa Bay Bucs have the highest drafted kicking tandem in NFL history.

    Bryan Anger 3rd Round 2012
    Roberto Aguayo 2nd Round 2016

    How ’bout that!!!

  103. Michael Duggan Says:

    I believe every Bucs fan has the right to say what they feel, good or bad. But realistically nobody knows how this will end in years to come, not even the Bucs. I feel good about the draft and am looking forward to seeing them at Training Camp. “Go Bucs”

  104. SB with Jameis Says:

    I think the Jags had the best draft and to be Honest Atlanta’s is pretty bad ass too potentially.

  105. Buc1987 Says:’s not that impossible to grade now. I’m a wait 3 years guy myself.

    That shouldn’t stop YOU of all people from making a preliminary assessment of the draft. I mean it’s just what you took from the draft or whether you think they may or may not improved the team.

    Preliminary assessment Luv. I had to google the big words for that one.

  106. SB with Jameis Says:

    Fun fact, kinda, more visitors to Yellowstone have been killed by swimming in the hot pools than by Grizzly bears.

  107. Mike Johnson Says:

    I give our Bucs a solid B rating. Depends on how our Rooks pan out. We addressed our biggest need..Defense. So I am happy! I do think choosing a kicker was the right move. A truly great one only comes along once in a while. This kid has the potential to be great. And he has youth on his side. Can do nothing but grow and get stronger. When and if he pulls us out of those real close games, Buc fans will see his true worth. I love the fact there will be great competition in our Defensive camp this year.

  108. Fsuking Says:

    I’m gonna hop on the bandwagon and go with the Jaguars cause they did something special with there first 3 picks. I’m putting the Bucs top 10. So many people hate us picking a kicker that they don’t realize we had a stellar draft. They can suck it I’m getting an Aguayo jersey tomorrow. I think I’ll wear the Jameis jersey on offense, Vernon’s when it comes back from the seamstress and Aguayo’s on special teams.

  109. godzilla13 Says:

    Eric – We gave up two picks for Aguayo. The one used to draft him (3rd round) and the one used to move up for him (4th).

    TDestinjohnny Says – I agree with you 100%.

    To give this draft an A or even a B+ means you have not put the time in to make a decision based on the quality of players drafted, quality of players available that were passed on and number of players drafted for wehich positions of need as well as BPA. I will start by asking you if LT Laremy Tunsil was available at nine or even 11 for that matter would you have wanted him drafted? So what about the bong, we dtafted Noah Spence. If not Tunsil why not Sheldon Rankins? OK we drafted Hargreaves. Cool. Noah Spence cool. Robert Aguayo is perfect from 39 yards in but he is 5-8 (62%) from 50+ (long 53) and 18-24 (75%) from 40-49. Conner Barth was 43-55 (79%) 40-49 and 16-25 (64%) 50+ (long 57). Aguayo was perfect from 39 yard and in during his 3 years at FSU while Barth missed just 4 FG from 39 yards in during 7 years as a pro. My point is that the Aguayo hype is based solely on the fact that he went 100% from 39 yards in during his 3 years at FSU. If you compare Conner Barths percentages he is a better kicker today than Robert Aguayo with better distance. The difference between a kicker who makes 100% of his kicks from a certain distance and the other kicker only missed 4 kicks from the same distance over a 7 year period, those four kicks represent 12 points over 7 years if Aguayo makes every kick from that distance over 7 years. 12 points. Are two draft picks worth 12 points? The players we should have drafted instead of Aguayo are NT Andrew Billings and Jevon Hargreaves. We should have used this draft to build a championship caliber defense. We did not. It starts with the defensive line and in a draft which featured the best DT class I have ever seen, we did not draft a single DT?

  110. Fsuking Says:


  111. BigHogHaynes Says:

    For any of you REAL FOOTBALL FANS the place kicker pick (Mr Aguayo), was a reach, because of the position he playes, he will no doubt be a beast in the kicking game, that being said, THE BACK STABBER has an alias IN LICHT WE TRUST!!

  112. Buc1987 Says:

    godzilla13…I would have went Tunsil.

    Which is one of the reasons for a B- borderline C+.

  113. Fsuking Says:

    You just spent 20 min comparing the best kicker in college history to Connor Barth. Then you called people other people out? Hahahahaha you can’t compare a college kickers stats to a pro kicker stats. I don’t know one successful kicker who didn’t improve from college to pros. Also let take away Aguayo’s “awful” year where he missed 5 kicks. Puts him at 14-17 from 40+ and 4-5 from 50+. If u get to compare a college kicker to a pro I can forget Roberto’s avg year.

  114. Buc1987 Says:

    I was also chanting DL DL DLl for weeks in here.

  115. gotbbucs Says:

    I’m just happy the draft is done so we can get back to discussing football.

  116. Fsuking Says:

    And let’s look at some of his misses last year. Put one directly over the post from 53 yards, dinged two off the post from 45+ and came up about a yard short due to a bad hold from 56. Not exactly bad kicks, that’s just a long way for a ball to travel and he will improve those minor flaws I promise

  117. ChessMaster Says:

    The Bucs lost a pick that they did not have before the 1st round of the draft, Geez….

  118. ChessMaster Says:

    He missed 9 of 257 kicks. Meanwhile Barth was the 24th kicker in the NFL. Not too hard to figure that one out.

  119. Fsuking Says:

    Also Barth was pretty terrible in college for the most part, had one good year. 76% overall. He missed 6 extra points, Roberto only missed 9 kicks. What a waste of time and though minimal, brainpower

  120. DB55 Says:

    Jags, Falcons and saints all had strong drafts. Might as well add Carolina to the list. Luckily we have the messiah wearing pewter and red therefore fear no evil for he is with us. His arm n legs with comfort us.

  121. Blazer Bushido FFC Says:

    If the top 34 scorers of all time are kickers…. That kind of defeats your own logic doesn’t it. All you have to do is be a kicker and you’ll score more points than a position player, obviously. Stick around the league long enough and you’re in the top 34! Anyway, how many of those 34 kickers were even drafted? I doubt that half were picked at all, especially if you adjust for the draft dropping from 12 to 7 rounds? No way even half were drafted and maybe, maybe 1 was picked as high as our new savior. I wish him well, but defending this pick, this high requires you to speculate that he will be a HOF’er which every defender of the pick is taking for granted and and calling critics haters ect.! Preposterous! If I declared it a fact that any other 2nd rounder ever drafted would be a HOF’er, I would rightfully be laughed off the internet! But since he’s a Buc and a kicker it makes sense? Seriously!

    Not to mention that kickers (even veterans) “bust” all the time and are rotated out like musical chairs across the league everywhere. He may be different but how long a rope do we have to give him now if he struggles? How many games can he lose for us if it goes wrong? The same amount or more than he can win by being perfect! That’s the truth about how this “safe” pick is causally risky.

  122. Buc1987 Says:

    FSU selling it.

  123. Deez nuts Says:

    Draft picks aside, when a Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan makes naive assessments like that on an obviously mediocre draft, he deserves a 6-10.

  124. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    U know I had a good laugh – when Tennessee took Conklin @9

  125. Fsuking Says:

    Oh crap! I didn’t realize that u called Connor Barth a better kicker today than Roberto. Sorry man I didn’t mean to be so aggressive, you obviously are a moron sir. I’m just glad you can use a computer. Good for u

  126. Buc1987 Says:

    Deez nuts…yeah a fan “deserves” 6-10 for making any kind of assessment or comment on a blog for that matter.

    Says? You?

  127. SB with Jameis Says:

    HOLY SNAP Fellas………..Mike Johnson just said something rational and conversational without putting anyone down and it was non offensive to anyone. THIS is a day in JBF History.

  128. Buc1987 Says:

  129. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    I my Willie Brown voice: “Settle Down… Settle Down”

  130. DB55 Says:


    Seriously believe Robinson robbed us on that pick. Coulda shoulda woulda went Tunsil or DT but whatcha gonna do? We got the best pure CB in the draft. Hehe cough cough. Winking at u SB. Jk I’ve moved on to the acceptance phase of grief. Lol

  131. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Real talk, I feel the same way. Cause our draft room looked real depressed afterwards. It’s all good though

    Yeah Tunsil – I was like 4 real – U pass Up Tunsil?

    Hey U gotta give it to him – Licht a bold dude.

  132. DB55 Says:

    Fun fact: in the year 2000 the only year Shawn king started all 16 games he out scored Gramatica by 12 points. King totaled 136 point n gram 124 points. King was pick # 50 overall N gram #80 overall. Over their careers gram out scored King with extra points alone.

    King was hating on the Aguayo pick but almost got out scored by a kicker during his 1 and only playoff run. Hmmm

  133. Fsuking Says:

    Thanks I really needed that. All this incompetence is getting to me. Say what you want about picking a kicker in the second round, but to suggest that he is anything but the best kicking prospect in history is just so uninformed

  134. SB with Jameis Says:

    It’s all good DB. Weve been all good for years.

  135. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Our Big Splurge in 2010 was a punter. When we needed to upgrade other positions.
    Now we trump that by trading up for a Kicker.


  136. DB55 Says:

    Rookies training camp starts tom?

    You my boy SB!

  137. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    He’s a good prospect – just a little suspect from 40+

    Time will tell how he adjust – to the big leagues.

  138. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    So both Ali Marpet & J.R Sweezy – are out for 8wks?

  139. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Can we at least keep this in perspective…..

    Don’t you think Aguayo was a better pick than Myron Lewis?……
    We used a 2nd round pick on Daquan Bowers & Brian Price……and Sabby.

    And that’s just recent history. There have been many worse picks by the Bucs than this one…..and yes, he has yet to kick a single ball for us, so his value is still undetermined.

  140. DB55 Says:


    Idk if you heard but ME13 is getting 20 TDs this year so no worries.

  141. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Hmmm Ok

  142. DB55 Says:


    What do you mean they’re out for 8 weeks?

  143. Fsuking Says:

    Best in the history of kickers. You won’t remember this in 30 years when he’s giving his HOF speech, but in the back of your mind u will know. I’m not claiming to be clairvoyant. I just pay very close attention to FSU football players. If u put me in front of Licht for 20 min and let me discuss this years crop, he would hire me on the spot as a Tallahassee regional scout

  144. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    When is the start of OTA’s?

  145. DB55 Says:

    8 weeks away?

  146. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    My bad

    OTA offseason workouts: May 24-26, May 31, June 1-2, June 6-9

  147. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    (4wks) At least the reserves, can get some extra reps

  148. DB55 Says:

    Its all bs until week 2-3 of PS.

  149. SB with Jameis Says:

    It’s all bs until PS
    “Im friends the Monster that’s under my bed.
    Get along with the Voices inside of my head.
    And you think I’m crazy”

  150. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    The pick was not simply to replace Barth who is a competent if not great professional. It was taking a chance to get a “generational” kicker…potentially a guy who could become the BEST IN THE GAME!!!

    If you guys can’t see the advantage in having the BEST kicker in the game then there’s nothing left to say.

    He may bust…every player we picked may bust…but if Aguayo lives up to his promise and the visible talent…this pick will be golden for years to come…as in 10-15 years of not ever again worrying about our FG kicker.

  151. Fsuking Says:

    Idk how you can be around the NFL for 55 years and not know this stuff

  152. Fsuking Says:

    I ain’t letting misinfo slide tonight, even if the only people who care are me and an out of touch special teams guru

  153. SB with Jameis Says:

    Rock On King! Rock On man!

  154. Architek Says:

    How can you grade a draft with no sample sets???

    You can like or dislike but it’s impossible to grade a draft with no samples.

    Just hope for the best and just wait to see what else the front office does to help DT. You can’t do everything in one off-season.

  155. Bigbucs1 Says:

    I agree godzilla13

  156. Eric Says:

    I find no comfort in not having to worry about a kicker for ten years.

    I am worried about our defense getting shredded come fall.

  157. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Talk about permanent pressure on every single kick for the rest of his career…..that’s what Aguayo will have…..not his fault he was drafted so high….or maybe it was….he could have missed a few more kicks in college like everyone else.
    He will miss….he’s human.

  158. SB with Jameis Says:

    That sounds like the Pablo in you TBBF 🙂

  159. SB with Jameis Says:

    Honestly………..True and Full Disclosure?…………I don’t think Defensive Personnel was our problem last yr as much as I do Defensive Scheme. Go ahead Lovie lovers attack me but you know it’s true. Schiano got more out of less than Lovie Ever did.

  160. Bigbucs1 Says:

  161. HIRE JIMBO Says:

    Did any1 else notice that Booger anounce N.Spence as a LB not a DE?
    34 any1?

  162. Fsuking Says:

    I totally agree. Of course our avg cornerbacks got shredded last year playing 15 yards off the ball with no pass rush

  163. Guzzie Says:

    “KICKER…WE TALKING BOUT A KICKER?” if Allen Iverson played football, this is what he would say about our 2nd round kicker that no one seems to stop talking about, can we talk about football players, instead of glorified soccer players, please just for a little while, has anyone noticed the changes the secondaries are starting to get small fast safeties, like Ryan Smith instead of bigger slow guys like Miles Killebrew, the reason is because you can’t hit anybody anymore, safeties are no LBs and corners are now safeties, the only way to defend a pass is pressure the QB or have the speed to knock a pass down or intercept it

  164. Fsuking Says:

    Vernon will help alot and I think either Ryan Smith will start at FS or we will get some help at strong safety. Also Hire Jimbo, we won’t be a 3-4 team but I think we will play alot off 3-3-5 with Noah Spence standing up off the edge as a pure rusher. Basically a 4-2-5.

  165. SB with Jameis Says:

    I Love it!!! Kirwin Totally gave props to Vitale and how we actually upgraded our WR corps without it being apparent.

  166. LifeOfABucFan Says:

    Exactly SB…look at some of the comments veiled as an insult to the past regime tweeted by some of our Bucs…then about two hours later, they just delete them. But I have caught a few..

  167. SB with Jameis Says:

    Yes ma’am Life. The inter-webs are life changing and therefore very corrupt. How are you doing tonight ma’am?

  168. Fsuking Says:

    Even though they win and lose games and are (just barely) football players. I agree. It’s an unproductive conversation even though I will defend my boy all day. U know what we have? Two garbage safeties that don’t help our CBs at all. I saw alot of Verner trying to cover for Conte who is helpless in coverage, McDougald is bottom 5 Fs in the league. Keith Tandy is on the field sometimes

  169. HIRE JIMBO Says:

    I hope 57 is just a camp # for Spence. It’s such a lame @ss # and I want to get his jersey. Also I think he will b just a situational pass rusher for us this year, so we can let him develop a little more.

  170. Fsuking Says:

    And I love my ex Bucs players to death but ex players usually make terrible GMs and bad scout’s because of their bias and comparisons to the old days in an ever evolving NFL

  171. unbelievable Says:

    LOL SB,

    I actually completely agreed with one of his comments the other day too. First. Time. EVER.

  172. SB with Jameis Says:

    Actually King I think McDougald has a year or two of promise………IF…….Mike Smith likes him and lets him do what he does best. Schiano was ready to make Bradley a head hunting Safety but let’s not digress. If we found our new SS then I will be happy. However I have not given up on B. McD and neither has the current regime that didn’t pick him.

  173. SB with Jameis Says:

    unbelievable Says:
    May 1st, 2016 at 11:44 pm
    LOL SB,

    I actually completely agreed with one of his comments the other day too. First. Time. EVER.
    If you are talking about Mike Johnson then I Totally saw that same post you made……….LOL

  174. HIRE JIMBO Says:

    Hey life,
    What kind of stuff we’re they saying on twitter?

  175. Fsuking Says:

    Gotta see him in camp but Spence is better than Jack Smith all day long talent wise, even though I love how far Smith has come. It will be and should be an open comeption for playing time, even though they do different things

  176. Fsuking Says:

    I guess. I love McDougalds story, his heart and passion. I absolutely understand that he is still very new and raw to the position and has upside to be an avg starter. I just really wish he was better today and better in coverage.

  177. Fsuking Says:

    Plus Ryan Smith is just a better athlete. Which, as discussed earlier doesn’t mean anything. But still

  178. SB with Jameis Says:

    Hey man I only got better at building Homes after I built a bunch. 🙂

  179. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    There is very little Pablo in me…..I have to let Pablo be himself.

    As far as the pick…..I have a wait and see attitude….Barth is from my home town and I know him…..have a signed football from him…..
    Barth is a good kicker……but probably not as good all-around as Aguayo will be.

    So, as long as our draft picks are improvements on current players…I think it’s a good thing.

    I think picks 1-3 certainly are better……perhaps a couple of the last 4 picks are too.

  180. SB with Jameis Says:

    TBBF…I am pretty sure that you know that I totally respect your viewpoints and have for a few years now. I, for one, truly thank you for keeping Pablo alive. I never mean to test you in any way and if Pablo happens to pitch a tent in your back yard and you can let us know what he thinks in between cervesas then I am all for it. I appreciate your professional background when you post.

  181. Cobraboy Says:

    Fsuking Says:

    Idk how you can be around the NFL for 55 years and not know this stuff

    The balls are the same: brand new, same model regulation properly inflated as the other game balls. The K balls just don’t get used much. It doesn’t take much time, a couple of plays, to get new balls “scuffed” in regular play. K balls don’t get that luxury.

    I said 45 years, not 55 years. FTR: I played some pro and coached ST at the Div. I college level.

    And I don’t have to Rage Google as you do; that’s for the knowledge-devoid. Not me.

    Keep in mind Tom Brady got whacked for messing with balls. Even Brad Johnson admitted after he retired he’d pay under the table to have someone scuff them. Under the table.

    I’m not saying it’s not done, nor am I saying new balls aren’t slick because they are. And they can be hard in cooler weather. Like a brick.

    I know you’re a young ‘un trying to prove your manly chops. I get that. But take some advice from an over-the-hill oldster: when you’re in a hole, quit digging. Oh, and take the cotton out of your ears and put it in your mouth. Listening is a lost art; the reason “talk is cheap” is because the supply exceeds the demand.

    Just sayin’…

  182. Rswag Says:

    A sad buc life, the team is trying to win and get better and all the sissy kicker fans can’t get out of their own way defending the second round kicker pick. Oh, when we’ll they learn, the patriots kicker just might be a high scorer cause the team he’s on actually goes after the win and doesn’t worry about settling for the 3 points. Remember the game last year when our kicker missed 3 in one game? We all killed that kicker and said he sucked, when of you actually look at the game, if we would’ve really went after it, it wouldn’t have been about the kicker missing his supposed chip shots. All I heard for days after that was how the bucs left points out there and it really wasn’t the kickers fault, now everyone things we found the bucs savior in a kicker. Haha….. We’ll never figure it out, especially after we saw joe on here talk about how licht watched the super bowl and really came home to figure out how he could get a better pass rush like the Broncos. What did we get, one DE and a kicker in a prime spot for another d line position. Haha….. And all the sissy’s are upset cause they have to defend their little kicker. It’s funny to see the one comment saying how the patriots have a good kicker so why wouldn’t we? Hellooooo, anybody in there? Look at the winning team. Shouldn’t that tell you why their kicker leads in scoring? If you give your all to score 7 points and come up short, you have the kicker to finish it for at least 3 or the extra point when you actually get a td. But when you settle for just getting in fg range and he misses you blame the kicker? You didn’t deserve the 3 either. This isn’t rocket science folks. The patriots win because of their go after it mentality, not because of their kicker. He’s just one piece. You don’t win, when you play not to lose as is customary with the bucs.

  183. LifeOfABucFan Says:

    SB with Jameis Says:

    May 1st, 2016 at 11:39 pm

    Yes ma’am Life. The inter-webs are life changing and therefore very corrupt. How are you doing tonight ma’am?


    I’m doing good…just reading all these posts..
    I can’t really say who and what was posted..I do know I got a “like” by a couple of Bucs when I posted something about the regime change..then I notice some other tweets in the line and I just removed mine..

    There’s one Buc that kinda has me a bit worried…he seems to be completely left out of all the events other bucs go to together as a group..One in particular event about 7 Bucs went together and this one I am talking about, also went…but he didn’t sit with them…he doesn’t get likes or retweets from his fellow Bucs..and that’s kinda sad to see…

    It’s like he’s being isolated…and that’s bothersome to me..( again the mum comes out of me)..These Bucs are my sons ages..

    Another one had tweeted about not being a Buc anymore and he had a small rant and then I saw he deleted it..but I caught it..

    Since I am lucky to be able to work when I want and if I want to, I have been addicted to Twitter since starting an account just to tweet about Doug Martin getting his I am an addict..*insert sad face or any other face*..I’ve spent too much time…

    I guess I study the psychology of our Bucs like if they were my kids…

  184. LifeOfABucFan Says:

    I’m going to post this again and listen at what Koetter has makes sense..


    Again and again…besides the fact they were first rated on their position..

    It’s important to know that drafting players, WANTING to be here, WANTING to be a Buc, WANTING to play with Jameis is VERY important to get rid of that cancerous growth that spread into the locker room last year..

    There’s the locker room culture that was another position that needed to get fixed. Bring players in who want to be here, have a connection with the great Jameis and want to be a Buc! 3 of the draftess WANTED to play with Bucs..

    Let me repeat that..okay here we go… THREE OF THE FOUR DRAFTEES WANTED TO PLAY WITH THE BUCS.

    VH3, Roberto, and Vitale and Spence is good pals with Jameis!!!…THEY WANTED TO PLAY HERE!!! Vitale said he knew he was going to be a Buc and held on tight …

    Hence why there’s a Buc not on the roster when he was GOOD!

  185. Guzzie Says:

    Dang that felt good, reading about something other than an idiot kicker lol thanks guys and gals I can sleep in peace now

  186. LifeOfABucFan Says:

    New England has built a roster based on players that want to win and would take pay cuts to stay with the team..Licht is building around the same mentality..if we got that mentality, we will win..we WILL win..

    If you guys in the locker room that are split into two groups..One excited to play and one excited for direct deposit on Tuesdays only..we will NEVER build a winning culture..

    It’s not just about drafting the best players in their position WHICH WE DID..but players that WANTED to play as a TB Buc!!! IS IT TOO HARD to understand????

  187. SB with Jameis Says:

    “PR MAGNATE” Life!!!!

  188. SB with Jameis Says:

    Ok, all fun aside. It is 10:30 here in the mountains. I have people to put to work tomorrow morning and it sux when I am more “weekendish’ than they are.
    Peace out Life and FUS and Unbelievable if it is believable for you to still be here 🙂

  189. LifeOfABucFan Says:


    Oh yeah SB..I want Licht to give me a job as the psychologist on board, or mediator..heck I have raised two decent, hard working boys by myself and built a great business..

    So I can help the Bucs..just lordy, Lord don’t put me in the locker room, I am still menopausal with hormones!!!!

  190. Guzzie Says:

    Another thing to think about when it comes to the Licht regime, not counting the 1st year of free agency because that was all the fighting illinis doing, but unless a Julius Peppers Darelle Revis or Demarcus Ware type player becomes available what’s the point throwing $20-50 million guaranteed at a Michael Johnson Olivier Vernon or Malik Jackson even a Josh Norman type player, draft your own and groom them behind hungry vets, guys that want to stay in the league like Ayers Grimes and DSmith they got to be able to play obviously so happy to be a Bucs fan right now, this feels like our time, every few years the league turns over, and a doormat becomes the new kid on the block, remember how bad Dallas and Green Bay were in the late 80s plus New England’s years of futility, even the Browns had a good run in the 80s, you get your QB you got a chance

  191. unbelievable Says:

    Ha yea I was getting some late dinner.

    Rest easy SB! I’ll be in the mountains in few weeks and can’t wait!

  192. Fsuking Says:

    I guess when your old and I can only assume senile it really tough to admit you are wrong. You my friend think u know when a simple scroll through internet sources will back everything I said. I didn’t need the Internet to know this stuff, you so clearly do

  193. Fsuking Says:

    I learned that pro QBs practice, warm up with for days, can alter the psi within a range and can have people rub down their game balls from the Brady fiasco. I learned that kickers can’t mess with balls until moments before game time from that also while reading around sources. U have learned nothing. But u can’t teach an old dog new tricks

  194. Fsuking Says:

    I got an NFL ball sitting in front of me from Christmas that’s still a bit slick. A few plays? I mean come on man get off that horse.

  195. the real Bucobruce Says:


  196. Fsuking Says:

    Last thing… Proof
    U agree with that kballs are harder than the balls that are used in the game, u agree that game used balls are worn, softer and wider. U agree that harder balls are harder to kick. Then u say this “There is no difference between a K and regular ball” who are u even talking too? I’m talking to u and u are angrily agreeing with me

  197. Dave Says:

    They just drafted 3 starters – CB, DE, K
    They got an OT and a LB for depth and development to possibly start in a year or 2.
    They got a safety and a FB that can both see playing time this year

    We shall see how it pans out, BUT, if the first 3 are starters for years to come, they did damn good.

  198. Guzzie Says:

    Dave… Have you checked out Dan Vitale on YouTube the guy is catching 20 yard over the shoulder, full speed, covered by corners and safety catches… How this guy lasted till the 6th is beyond me, he loves like a scat back against LBs but he’s 240, and strong 30 reps at the combine, he’s our 2nd round pick, he’s gonna be the Gronk of fullbacks

  199. Guzzie Says:

    Looks like a scat back I mean

  200. Guzzie Says:

    How many fullbacks look like slot receivers, simple answer, none

  201. Guzzie Says:

    No way a linebacker can cover this guy, and he’s to big for a corner and too shifty for a safety, really excited about this pick, I’ve been tooting his horn for a couple months, didn’t even see a highlight of him, just saw his measureables after the combine and knew dirk likes using a fullback, this guy isn’t a fullback he’s a weapon no one else has, they compared him to James Casey, not even close, he’s way more fluid in his routes and a lot faster

  202. Babaloo Says:

    Yes they absolutely do deserve a B. The problem with their draft is that they didn’t choose the “Sexy” pick- instead they opted to try and fix some of the other problems and count on the DE they landed in the offseason free agency run as well as their No 2 pick, Spence.

    Would we all have liked it if they took a Dt in Rd 1 and a CB or safety in rd 3? yeah, I bet most of us would have…

    However, the Bucs have needed good cornerbacks for years and now they have one they control for five years, provided he doesn’t bust- which he shouldn’t.

    Then there’s the kicker. If you call yourself a Buc fan and DO NOT acknowledge that they have lost many games in recent years due to really bad kicking then you aren’t paying attention. This guy isn’t A kicker… He’s the best kicker in the history of College Football.

    More than that- take a look at the top leaders in scoring for every team in the league. You will always find that a kicker is either at or near the top for each of them. Especially with the new rules for kicking- they are becoming even more important.

    How many teams lost games last year because they missed extra points? It was a banner year for misses. Licht took a kicker high and you watch- very soon other teams will have to do the same because of the obvious losses they will incur due to bad kicking.

  203. GhostofSchiano Says:

    Looking more lika an A-

  204. Dave Says:


    Awesome. I hadn’t seen him, just what I read.

  205. BDorry55 Says:

    If Spence is healthy he has 10 sacks…book it.

  206. Cobraboy Says:

    Fsuking Says:

    Last thing… Proof
    U agree with that kballs are harder than the balls that are used in the game, u agree that game used balls are worn, softer and wider. U agree that harder balls are harder to kick. Then u say this “There is no difference between a K and regular ball” who are u even talking too? I’m talking to u and u are angrily agreeing with me

    They are NOT “harder.” They are “standard”, inflated to proper pressure.

    QBs do NOT get to rough-up or alter balls before a game. Balls get “roughed-up” in games.

    The K ball thing happened because of cheating by some kickers. Period. All my career I never considered trying to sneak a flat ball into a game. I didn’t care. I kicked or punted whatever was used. We didn’t have K balls.

    You keep saying K balls are different. They are decidedly not. They are guaranteed to be normal. They are standard balls in new boxes delivered to the officials before the game. Why? Because some teams and kickers cheated, that’s why.

    And game balls don’t get appreciably “fatter” until after extreme use; and even then aren’t especially “fatter.” Chances are those game balls, unless they got wet in games, become “QB” balls in practice the following week. The issue with kickers/punters is that *they* practice with balls that were used as QB balls for a while, scuffed and roughed and used. And often underinflated.

    And much of it is mental. Kickers got a reputation for being a bit mental for a reason. I wasn’t a pure K/P; I played another position also, so I never had the same mental quirks many kickers have (punters aren’t as mental.) I kicked what I was given and didn’t give a crap.

    When I coached college ST’s & kickers/punters, the balls we used were not that good, very used hand-me-downs marked “K” with magic markers so the wouldn’t get mixed in the QB ball bag. The first thing I’d do as a pre-practice daily routine—we generally had 10 in the K bag—was make sure they were at outdoor temperature and inflated to 14psi at that temperature—1 more than regulation. Why? I wanted them to be rock hard so game balls wouldn’t feel so foreign. I had equipment managers literally polish them with clear shoe polish & buffed to a shine—like a shoe—to simulate the tackiness of a new game ball in game conditions.

    You keep arguing points of which you have *zero* personal experience. K balls are no different than game balls, and neither get to be altered by players before a game. They are merely guaranteed new and sequestered as a demonstration of Fair Play, because some played fast and loose with the rules.

    Go read the NFL Rule Book, sections Ball Dimensions and Ball Supply.