Right Move Is Starting Mike Glennon In Finale
December 29th, 2015
There is one absolute reason Lovie Smith will return next season. It is because Lovie has done a masterful job developing and managing America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston.
And that great job should not end now.
Lovie was part of the strong Bucs crew that waved off massive pressure to draft Marcus Mariota, and Lovie refrained from the stupid games many coaches would have played with a 21-year-old rookie like Jameis. Instead, Lovie handed Jameis the ball and let him be himself, all while giving him regular guidance, tight management, and the freedom to fail.
Be in denial if you wish, but many head coaches would have screwed that all up.
Today, the Buccaneers should be all about Jameis and what sets him up for lasting success, which will mean team success.
And it is with that reality Joe is demanding that the plug gets pulled on Jameis’ season. Mike Glennon should start Sunday in Carolina. Putting Jameis in front of the Carolina defense (or any defense, really) is nothing more than taking a needless risk, an ego-driven play to get to 7-9, as if that will change anything.
Joe would feel a little differently if Sunday were a home game, like maybe the Bucs should play Jameis to give the home crowd the proper respect. But this is no home game.
Simple as that, as Lovie would say. Playing Jameis on Sunday is pointless.
Jameis took 11 hits in St. Louis on the turf. Some of them were vicious. He took shots Sunday against the Bears, one that clearly affected his play. He also started the season with a messed up ankle. Let Jameis stay healthy. There’s no shame there.
And then there’s Glennon. Joe has long been a supporter of trading Glennon for a coveted draft pick. Playing Glennon on Sunday could catapult his value on the trade market. Remember Matt Flynn 2012? In this crappy quarterback market, even a decent afternoon by Glennon might start a bidding war.
It’s a gamble Joe’s willing to take. Why? Because it’s no gamble when it spares Jameis risk.
Hey Lovie, Jason Licht and Team Glazer, you want to risk Jameis for no good reason? Don’t expect Joe or any smart fan to be understanding if something goes wrong.
December 29th, 2015 at 8:35 am
I disagree for one reason. Jameis is like a drug. Just give me one more hit before we go to rehab for 7 months!!
December 29th, 2015 at 8:35 am
Here is the truth Joes and sheep!
Jameis won the heisman without lovie
James won the college national champion without love
And if James wants to go to and win in the NFL playoffs it will be without lovie
December 29th, 2015 at 8:41 am
Wouldn’t be surprised if they start Winston but give Glennon a majority of the PT>
December 29th, 2015 at 8:46 am
I don’t think you could be more wrong. Jameis needs to play good defenses to continue his development. Showing growth against garbage teams is garbage. Jameis played his worst game of the year against Carolina and we need to see if he has improved. If we want him to win playoff games some day then he needs to play playoff teams. Secondly, walking out Glennon with an uninspired team against a good defense only hurts any potential value he may have. If the league watches him struggle with a team that has given up on the season we can forget getting any kind of trade value in the offseason.
December 29th, 2015 at 8:48 am
You have to start him but if the game gets out of hand, pull him.
December 29th, 2015 at 8:52 am
I guess Lovie found his niche. jameis isn’t the only QB he made look good this season.
December 29th, 2015 at 8:54 am
I also disagree. Give me one last game where we turn Jameis loose in an effort to get him to 4000 yards and (maybe) a piece of the rookie season TD record. He is in reach of both, right? Given this team’s late collapse, I’d at least try to get the face of the franchise in the record books. A 21 year old “all-timer” at QB is at least something tangible to hang your gay on for next season.
Then, go get him some more help at WR. I know a lot want defense, but I don’t think an influx of talent will fix the flaws in this system. Yes, get some pass rush help, but surround JW with talent at all cost. The success of this team is on his shoulders now. Give him some real and reliable weapons to work with. ( and stop calling ASJ a piece of that puzzle!)
December 29th, 2015 at 8:58 am
I disagree completely, Jameis needs every real-game-competition snap that he can get to continue his development. This game is 6.25% of his rookie season, that’s a significant chunk of playing time. The injury risk will always be there, it’s a part of the game, but Jameis’ need for live snaps outweighs the injury risk at this point in his career.
This game is important to the Panthers, so the Bucs will get the best punches from one of the best teams in the league on Sunday. What better way to evaluate where this team truly stands than to give the Panthers all they can handle? If the Bucs coaches frame this game properly for the players, it could be treated like a pseudo-playoff game.
Glennon’s previous body of work is enough for other teams to evaluate for trading purposes. Also, playing Glennon exposes him to the injury risk, especially because he hasn’t had many (any?) snaps all season, and may render him untradeable this offseason.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:01 am
I say you’re opinion is full of crap Joe.
I say Jameis managed himself…
December 29th, 2015 at 9:03 am
Won’t happen, Winston is to proud if he’s healthy he’ll play.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:09 am
Joe…case in point.
Jameis Winston pretty much said all the off the field crap is over with for me way back in October of 2014 before he even met Lovie Smith. That’s when he straightened up.
Another case in point.
Lovie doesn’t tolerate cussing. Well we all saw the video about 5 weeks back in the locker room with Jameis getting bleeped left and right.
Handling Jameis Winston….what a bunch of nonsense.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:10 am
Realist..I think you’re right.
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December 29th, 2015 at 9:11 am
Winston’s a 8-8 QB, maybe 9-7. That’s all he is.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:21 am
Tough call. The Bucs have really put up extremely poor efforts the last three weeks. With Carolina having everything to play for, such an effort could absolutely get Winston hurt since the Bucs are going to struggle to contain the Panthers pash rush anyway. So I guess it depends, if we get the same effort of the last three weeks, let Glennon get destroyed. If they actually wanna try and put in an effort, Winston should play.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:23 am
This team will improve when they get Lovie out of the building.
I agree Realist – under Lovie this team will always be handicapped.
You can’t ignore the trends for Lovie and his collapses in Nov/Dec.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:26 am
Winston not playing on Sunday is about as likely as Lovie being fired after the game. Not very likely.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:31 am
I say let Jameis go for the 4,000-yard mark and 25 TD passes. And let him face a tough D (that he’ll have to conquer at some point if we’re going to start winning Superbowls) to close the season and gain more knowledge of.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:33 am
I don’t agree with starting Glennon at all.
You’re a moron. Either that or you are deliberately trolling. The entire Bucs organization, including Lovie Smith, has done a masterful job in assisting Jameis navigate through the ropes of his rookie season. I was hopeful the Bucs would draft Jameis but I certainly had my concerns as to whether or not he’d handle the scrutiny and pressure of being the #1 overall pick. Jameis has been a professional on and off the field. His off field work within the community is inspiring. Joe is absolutely right that Lovie Smith did the right thing in how he didn’t play stupid rookie games like sitting him behind Glennon for a year or two. Most importantly, like Joe succinctly pointed out, Smith and the entire Bucs organization gave Jameis the freedom to fail. I think most coaches in the league would have handled Jameis improperly.
I have a lot of contacts around the country who are NFL fans and do you know what almost all people say about the Bucs from the outside looking in? They say they’re a team on the rise. They look at our offensive line, Doug Martin, Jameis, Mike Evans, GMC, Lavonte David, Ali Marpet and they see a team that will be good for many years to come. It’s only the slack-jawed fools and angry mouth breathers around here (a very vocal minority) who think they should be much further ahead than they are.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:36 am
These men play to win the game and it would be a shame to play backups against the stinking panthers this week.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:38 am
You dont play a guy for 1 game just to try to catapault his trade value. Especially when you have a rookie QB starting. Jameis needs all the experience he can get. Get off the trade garbage. for 2 years now you’ve wanted to trade Glennon. You clearly already know what he is, 1 game isnt going to change your or anyone elses opinion.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:42 am
Glad the joes don’t run this team
December 29th, 2015 at 9:43 am
Not to mention, I’d like to see us get spanked by the Panthers with all our starters. That way people can’t use “oh we didnt have Winston out there but we’re improving” as an excuse. Remember these last 2 games will tell us alot about the heart of this team? Well I want to see the heart of the team and just how far away we are from being a good team since Lovie has us going in the right direction and all according to the Lovie Lovers.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:46 am
D-Rome…quite obvious that you don’t know Jameis and how he is.
You think the Bucs “handled” Jameis Winston too?
Since were name calling you’re a baboon’s ass if you don’t think Jameis did this on his own.
Jameis DID declare way back while he was in college that the nonsense was over for him… and it stopped that day.
What exactly is this handling that you two clowns speak about? Jameis IS a good kid and always has been. Jimbo said it all the time and so did I.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:49 am
D-Rome…and BTW I predicted 5-11 before the season so I didn’t expect all that much coming in.
I need to find me some “contacts” around the country that laugh at the Bucs. I’m sure I could find millions…
December 29th, 2015 at 9:59 am
D-Rome Says:
December 29th, 2015 at 9:33 am
I have a lot of contacts around the country who are NFL fans and do you know what almost all people say about the Bucs from the outside looking in? They say they’re a team on the rise.
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This sounds totally made up. The Bucs are utterly irrelevant and never actually see national TV. They’re been few if any national articles about the Bucs. How do these non-Buc fans know so much about the Bucs? Because you told them so? Unbiased source. The Bucs are not that well thought of by most NFL fans I personally know, and most fans on non-Bucs sites like PFT. Mostly because the Bucs are totally irrelevant to most NFL fans who don’t cheer for the Bucs.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:01 am
Joe,
You’re dead wrong. You keep writing about how amazing the Buc offense is. We’re not watching the same games. Their leading receiver has dropped more passes than almost every other WR in the NFL. Their TE’s have been below average when compared to the rest of the NFL. Their #2 WR has missed over half the season and is past his prime. Their #3-#5 receivers wouldn’t make most decent NFL rosters. Our big hope for next year? Louis Murphy? Kenny Bell who has never caught a pass in the NFL and was a 5th round pick?? What am I missing here? And don’t get me started on the offensive line where Mankins may be done and Dotson is on the wrong side of 30. All this talk of the offense being “set” is ridiculous and a loser mentality at best. We’ll be set when Evans is our #2 receiver and a guy like Murphy is our #6 receiver. We’ll be set when Smith gets pushed to RT where he belongs by a bruiser at LT.
So what does this team really need in the meantime? Jameis to get better. To learn to not make decisions like the HORRIBLY INEPT interception he threw in the end zone. He hasn’t earned the right to sit and watch. He sin’t close to playing at an elite level yet. A road game against one of the top defenses and a team fighting for the #1 seed… that’s the type of experience he needs. Period.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:01 am
Looks like it’s almost unanimous to this point Joe: everyone but one looks to be in favor of playing Jameis. And why not? These last several games the Bucs offense hasn’t been firing on all 11-cylinders. The Panthers game should provide a great test to see what we’ve really got on offense. (We already know what we’ve got on defense).
December 29th, 2015 at 10:07 am
There is a real desperate and concerted effort to paint incompetent Lovie Smith in the best light possible around here. It’s lame.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:09 am
Handling Jameis is starting him from day one of training camp, as opposed to messing with the depth chart, which would have been very easy after week one, or week four, or even after week three of pre season. Instead, the team led by Lovie and Licht stood behind the rookie, and be honest, alot of teams would not.
Handling Jameis is throwing him to the wolves, as opposed to spoon feeding him little by little. And then being stupid enough to tell him not to scramble, or scramble more. Jameis was hit hard from day one and from the looks of it has been allowed to use any means needed to survive.
You see, just drafting Jameis, or any qb, isnt a given for success. And if you think it is, thats disrespectful to the game. Mike Pettine might have a slim chance had he handled Manziel better. Sure Msnziel is pretty flukey, but playing musical qb’s is almost certain to get a coach fired. So yeah, the team did a good job of handling Jameis.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:15 am
Dallas, he is what he is. Maybe when we fsil to make the playoffs next year, you will be happy, cause then Lovie will surely be fired. Not for his scheme of some inabilty to get grown men fired up, but for not acquiring enough talent. I personally dont care much about coaches because there is so much we dont know, most is just speculation via association of tangible stats. But I can see the players play, so I do know who can play and who cant. But apparently some of you are in the team meetings and on the sidelines on Sundays.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:17 am
I guess it’s just a matter of opinion then.
Next!
Joe give us some more articles at how great Lovie is at handling the entire team, not just Jameis. He’s track record is TREMENDOUS, so tremendous that it only proves he “managed” Jameis.
Give me a break. It’s still too early in the morning for such rubbish.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:19 am
LargoBuc…read the article below this one and get back to us…
December 29th, 2015 at 10:24 am
Sometimes the difference between Calvin Johnson or Gaines Adams is one meaningless late season win. If the Prime Directive is to win the Super Bowl, we are much better served losing on Sunday. Winston will be fine missing one game, ntm that a bad injury Sunday could jeopardize his readiness for 2016.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:29 am
I just read that Mike Holmgren really wants to get back into coaching, I’d love to see him roaming the Bucs side lines on Sunday’s. He is a magician with quarterbacks.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:29 am
No
December 29th, 2015 at 10:30 am
Fear of injury is the worse reason to sit a player…..besides Jameis would have none of it….he is a warrior and he wants to play and wants to win.
I look at it the other way around….what if Glennon is hurt or killed by the great Panther defense….what is his trade value then.
Since when to we subscribe to packing it in when it would be fantastic to beat the Stinking Panthers at their place?
December 29th, 2015 at 10:31 am
The experience against a top notch defense is invaluable for Jameis, even given that he could risk injury, we aren’t talking about Romo or Bradford here Joe. LET HIM PLAY
December 29th, 2015 at 10:32 am
87, I commented on the article here on this page. So try to make a little more sense then get back to us.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:34 am
It would be great to beat the Panthers. You just can’t complain when Ramsey or VH3 is off the board when we pick. Do we honestly believe that in September 2016 the outcome of a game 9 months prior will have some mystical effect on the team?
December 29th, 2015 at 10:44 am
I would be ecstatic with either Ramsey or VH3 or even Ndmekiche.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:46 am
Heres another reason to start Jameis. He’s 3 TDs away from tying the NFL Rookie QB record for TDs and a little over 400 yards from the passing yardage. Its probably not likely he gets it against that defense but I for one would love to see him try to get it.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:50 am
@1987: what exactly crawled up your posterior? Too much Xmas grog? I read you call your kids “brats.” Now, you’re all over D-Rome cos he wrote something positive about the Bucs, especially their offense. He’s not the only Bucs fan on here who has been hearing that the team is improving from outside educated NFL fans. I am still a Glennon backer. I had BIG doubts about famous Jameis when the team drafted him. I don’t follow college ball. That said, I have 2 family members who are proud FSU grads. One did her BA work while Famous was making headlines on and off the field. I complained about Winston’s off field antics. I was told to be patient; he’s a great, potential NFL QB who just needs to mature. Well, guess what? The FSU posse is proving to be correct. The Buccaneer offense is slowly developing into the finest offense this franchise has ever fielded. FamousJ is one piece. So is Martin, Sims, the Oline rookies, Brate, Humphries, ASJ (when healthy and not being a diva), Evans, and DKoetter (who isn’t going anywhere). There are also pieces in place on the defense: GMC, LVD and Kwan. More are needed there though. Banks is a good secondary player who is not being coached right. It’s up to Lovie to straighten out the D. I hope Mike Glennon gets a chance to start in this league. If it means leaving here, so be it. I hope the first team offense starts Sunday in Charlotte. ‘Bout time we skinned that bunch up there. We split w/the Aint’s. No reason why we can’t do it with the Stinkcats. We beat the Dixie Chicks TWICE and they beat Carolina. GO BUCS!!
December 29th, 2015 at 10:55 am
Put Jameis through the 16 game schedule. No way Glennon starts. This game will be good for Jameis. But I wish we couldve been the ones to end their perfect season. Im anxious to see Evans vs Norman too. Evans dosent loose his cool, at leaat he hasnt in the prior three meetings. ObJ is a stud, but he needs to control that temper of his.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:56 am
Jameis needs all the experience he can get, especially against good defenses.
There’s zero reason to sit him, and if he gets hurt he’ll have 8 months to heal.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:06 am
Jameis has surpassed every benchmark imaginable for a rookie QB. One game is not a difference maker. He needs to be focused on film the next 9 months , not rehab.
How is the philosophy any different than us losing games last year for Winston? Would we feel great about ourselves for winning meaningless games last year and McCown is sill our QB? When Julio burns Banks or Verner next year when Ramsey or VH3 could be in his hip-pocket, will we feel awesome that we beat the Panthers 9 months prior?
Lose the battle to win the war. I want to see another Super Bowl. Not a 6-10 season become 7-9. Whoopty frikin doo.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:06 am
Bad idea, and it won’t happen! No way JW would be OK with holding the clipboard in any game, especially against Cam Newton who Jameis has said is a player he looks up to. This is Jameis’ team. Good Lord Joe, Lovie has to be smart enough to at least see that!
December 29th, 2015 at 11:09 am
I’m sorry Lovie gets no credit from me for Jameis’ development. I give Lovie credit for staying out of the way. That’s all. If Lovie developed jameis so well, why did Mcnown suck so bad last year? Why didn’t Lovie blow his magic whistle and make him a star? After all, he didn’t listen to the detractors and start Glennon. Oh no, he knew better. Give me a break. Jameis was a rookie success in spite of Lovie, not because of Lovie. He’s not only a horrible head coach, he’s an even worse defensive coordinator. They very well may keep Lovie for at least another year to try to build continuity, but it won’t work and he will be fired before his initial contract is up. It’s as simple as that.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:10 am
Mike Glennon’s value would plummet, not rise. The Panthers would spank him so badly that he’d look like Ryan Leaf.
Pulling Jameis would also send a message to the team…that it’s okay to give up.
We meed a culture change here, and giving up on the last game would send the wrong message.
So, sorry, Joe. I’m against this one…although I do understand the desire to protect Jameis.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:10 am
Joe:
You are correct, and it won’t happen for the emotional and silly reasons all of these posters are cackling about. Rookie TD record? No one cares!
In addition to the trade value factor, Glennon should start to protect Jameis (who was limping terribly at the end of last week’s game) from more injuries and to give a nod to Glennon who has been incredibly supportive, professional and mature in giving way to a rookie, without being given any chance to win the job in preseason. But the trade value issue predominates for me. Start MG.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:12 am
@AceofAerospace
What Lovie SHOULD get credit for is coming in as a defensive coach with a reputation of bring unable to build an offense, and focusing completely on offense. It was a bold move, and one that the trolls and haters claimed he would not and could not do.
Don’t expect them to eat crow though. They’ll just try to disqualify it. Never mind that it worked.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:14 am
Now…watch…if Jameis does get hurt…nearly everyone here against sitting him will say Lovie should have done it, lol.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:16 am
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
December 29th, 2015 at 11:10 am
Mike Glennon’s value would plummet, not rise. The Panthers would spank him so badly that he’d look like Ryan Leaf.
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Let me guess Mr. Doesn’t Know Jack Isht: A good GM could get a 2nd or late 1st for Glennon. But Licht will screw it up.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:16 am
Interesting topic. But why didn’t Joe’s logic extend to last week against the Bears? It was just as meaningless a game as the Panthers’ game will be.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:19 am
Sir, you don’t get to assign motives to Joe and make up stuff. Joe writes what Joe believes. Period. You might want to re-read what’s actually written here. Yeah, like resting players in Week 17 is so out there. Lovie and friends did it last year, pal. –Joe
December 29th, 2015 at 11:20 am
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
December 29th, 2015 at 11:12 am
@AceofAerospace
What Lovie SHOULD get credit for is coming in as a defensive coach with a reputation of bring unable to build an offense, and focusing completely on offense. It was a bold move, and one that the trolls and haters claimed he would not and could not do.
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Pathetic excuse making. It wasn’t a bold move at all. It was an arrogant move that he could bring in a collection of scrubs who “knew his defense” and instantly produce a top level unit, and then “focus on offense”. Instead the Bucs need at least 7 new starters on defense and have been lit up by QBs in the 40-60 range of top NFL QBs.
Though I have to say my suggestion to read your posts with a slightly retarded accent is really helping. I’m starting to make sense of your posts now more. Give it a shot everyone.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:38 am
orlbucfan Says:
December 29th, 2015 at 10:50 am
“@1987: what exactly crawled up your posterior? Too much Xmas grog? I read you call your kids “brats.” Now, you’re all over D-Rome”
Ummm I didn’t start the fight silly Sally. Ummm hence quoting me in his post.
Yes I call my kids brats in a joking way. NEWSFLASH : Mr. I’m A Liberal so I have to tell you how to raise your children when it’s none of my business. Millions of people call their kids “brats”.
Dayum some of you people.
December 29th, 2015 at 11:46 am
Joe is heavily pandering and fishing this morning.
Are we really going to give Lovie all the praise and credit for developing Jameis when it’s his OC and QB coach that he works with every day?
If Lovie had any kind of history at all for developing a QB then maybe. But who has he developed?
Come on Joe, you can do better than that
December 29th, 2015 at 11:52 am
Also, sounds like Joe doesn’t want to possibly watch Jameis have another 5 turnover game like he did last time out against Carolina, would rather watch “The Cannon” do it. Joe just couldn’t bear it
December 29th, 2015 at 11:54 am
The stupid crap people quibble about! Can we get back the rank incompetence of one Lovie Smith?
6-6 with a chance to make the playoffs and his team lays down like whore making rent for 4 straight weeks.
So why not sit the only reason we won a single football game all year? This way we have one more excuse for incompetent Lovie Smith to lose another football game.
December 29th, 2015 at 12:08 pm
Lovie Smith – The QB Whisperer
What would we do without him?
Win.
December 29th, 2015 at 12:14 pm
Yeah the defense is bad, but if we upgraded our defense, everyone would be whining about the offense. Only so much can be done in two off seasons. You think the entire roster is going to be upgraded in just two seasons? No. Sure we could have kept Revis and kept Banks in as starter. But bottom line, we made progress from 2014 to 2015. So now a chance has been earned to make progress from 2015 to 2016. Thats how it works and if we go backwards next year, Lovie’s fired. If we progress furthet, sucks for you.
December 29th, 2015 at 12:26 pm
LargoBuc…upgrade from what? 80% of the roster is Lovie’s doing. This IS Lovie’s upgrade.
What you see is what you get.
December 29th, 2015 at 12:30 pm
Not going to happen! Such a move would interfere with our talented QB’s march into the record books. He has already set Bucs rookie records for most passing yards at 3,422 and for most passing TDs at 20. Sunday he threw for another 295 yards and 2 TDs.
He has one game to go and needs only 23 yards to pass Peyton Manning’s rookie record at 3,739 – pretty sure he does this. With 335 yards, he passes Cam Newton’s rookie record of 4,051 yards – tall order, but doable. He did 363 in a loss to the Rams last week. If he accomplishes this, he would pass the 4,000 yard mark and end up only 2nd to Andrew Luck who threw for 4,374 in 2012.
If Winston throws 2 more TDs, he passes Andrew Luck for 3rd place all time, who threw 23 TDs in 2012. If he throws 4 more TDs, he ties Peyton Manning and Russell Wilson for most TDs for a rookie since 1970.
We probably won’t win the Carolina game as they have to play their starters because they still haven’t locked up the No. 1 seed in the NFC clinching home field advantage throughout the playoffs. But if he works on the deep ball and our WRs hold on to a few more catchable balls, everything above can be done. If we gon’ win, we gon’ win big then! Go for it Jaboo!
December 29th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
@1987: touchy, touchy, I must have hit a nerve. BTW, was 1987 the year you were hatched? I hope the Bucs start the entire 1st team Sunday. Hope they win so a few chronic whiners on here will have strokes. Go Bucs!!
December 29th, 2015 at 12:48 pm
orlbucfan….No as most people know 1987 was the year I became a Buc fan. I told you that last night actually, when you said you’re Bucs fan and you’ve learned to be patient. I responded by saying I’ve been through Ray Perkins, Richard Williamson and Sam Wyche. I stuck around and it was tough. I am a patient Buc fan, but the writings on the wall.
You’re dayum right I’m touchy. Most fans on this site know this.
Like I said D-Rome called me out first…
I also said last night that I won’t type anything negative about Lovie for the entire offseason if he beats the Panthers. Go Bucs!
December 29th, 2015 at 12:48 pm
Lovie developing Winston is rubbish. No way a head coach / defensive co. had time to develop the on field play of the team’s QB… insanity! Are their some aspects that Lovie influenced, sure, but let’s not give Lovie too much credit. He needs to develop his defense and let the QB coach and OC continue their development of Winston. Lovie developed Winston, hilarious.
December 29th, 2015 at 12:52 pm
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December 29th, 2015 at 12:57 pm
“He has one game to go and needs only 23 yards to pass Peyton Manning’s rookie record at 3,739 – pretty sure he does this.”
@Macabee…thanks for that as I had no idea he was that close.
@Marlow1976…exactly what I was saying except you kept it short and sweet. It is quite laughable isn’t it?
@Howard LOL baaa baaa baaa
December 29th, 2015 at 1:15 pm
Hey guys I have an idea!!! “Just wait on it”
December 29th, 2015 at 1:32 pm
Winston plays. He needs more snaps.
December 29th, 2015 at 1:41 pm
Qb.upgrade
Rb.upgrade
Wr.upgrade
Te.upgrade
Ol.upgrade
Dl.slight upgrade
Lb.Kwon=upgrade
Db.downgrade
Your welcome 87.
December 29th, 2015 at 1:51 pm
I agree with sitting Winston and playing Glennon. More passes will be completed. Winston has been shaky lately and his accuracy is troubling. What difference does it make for the team to shoot for Winston personal records. None!
December 29th, 2015 at 2:02 pm
gotta start jameis for the last game…simply for experience…we all know what glennon brings to the table and if you think he is good or has become a better player, than give me a second round pick for him and tell me how he is during ota’s…..@bonsai..i agree…but as you know lovie wont get credit for doing what people here and in Chicago said he couldn’t do which is develop and maintain a solid offense…judging by the way he and licht drafted in the first 2 years, it’s clear the plan was to fix and develop the offense first and focus on the defense after…but luckily those same people will be eating crow once the draft and FA comes around and we get what we need on defense and win 10+ games next….GO BUCS!!!
December 29th, 2015 at 2:06 pm
@realist…here’s the truth….
lovie won playoff games without Winston
lovie went to the superbowl without Winston
lovie will win a superbowl with Winston…
GO BUCS!!!!
December 29th, 2015 at 2:14 pm
Compared to two years ago, you cant deny those upgrades listed. 87, are you there buddy?
December 29th, 2015 at 2:29 pm
LargoBuc Says:
December 29th, 2015 at 1:41 pm
Qb.upgrade
Rb.upgrade
Wr.upgrade
Te.upgrade
Ol.upgrade
Dl.slight upgrade
Lb.Kwon=upgrade
Db.downgrade
Your welcome 87.
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Actually you can deny them. Wanna see?
QB – Obviously
RB – No. This was a good stable when they got here. Charles Sims has not made them that much better. In fact he has zero 100 yard games, Rainey and James have a couple.
WR – For two years. If VJax is gone, we swap VJax for Evans, and the secondary pieces are still mostly awful. Push here more than likely.
TE – No one has more yards or TEs in a season than Tim Wright did in 2013. That’s a fact, like it or not. So if we haven’t had a player put up better numbers than that, we can’t really call it an upgrade can we?
OL – Upgrade? Not too sure here. Younger, yes. Better? Eh. But we had a pretty good unit before Lovie got here. That he immediately dumped our two best lineman for nothing (and signed some duds instead) is a major mark against.
DL – Who cares? It sucked before and it sucks now. It’s degrees of suck I suppose
LB – Odd one. Kwon was good, but LVD is clearly much worse now than he was under Schiano. And, I could be wrong but we have a third LB? Huh. So yes and no here.
December 29th, 2015 at 2:38 pm
Glennon should start always! Only Jameis would be ranked #32 in completion percentage out of 32 teams. The cannon arm needs to be used.
December 29th, 2015 at 2:58 pm
Absolutely not!!!!
JW needs reps.
December 29th, 2015 at 2:58 pm
Cmon rightoff that old oline was overpaid and not performing, except Zuttah was pretty good. And Evans was a good addition to help Vjax and ill take Brate and AsJ over Tim Wright and we were not getting the ptoduction from rb in 2013 that we are now. And Sims has been a good compliment. So your smug attempt to deny said upgrades is misguided
December 29th, 2015 at 3:43 pm
Winston already has some records though. 5TDs in a game for a rookie, tied with Stafford and Buivid. Also tied with Mariota for 4TDs in a half.
He isn’t going to surpass the Passing yd record, nor the TD record.
I believe that he should play Sunday because the Bucs SOS is one of the worst and playing one of the best Defenses in the league will be good for Winston. He has a lot to work on in the offseason though so I guess he can get started early if you all think he needs to. I would prefer that he get more reps though.
December 29th, 2015 at 3:58 pm
Click bait is what it is, an internet necessity.
Don’t get so touchy about the truth. It belittles you, the site and your readers. Pals.
December 29th, 2015 at 5:24 pm
bucrightoff has had me cracking up all day.
December 29th, 2015 at 5:33 pm
LargoBuc Says:
December 29th, 2015 at 2:14 pm
“Compared to two years ago, you cant deny those upgrades listed. 87, are you there buddy?”
Were not talking about 2 years ago. I’m talking about from 2014 to 2015 and bucrightoff hammered out some good points for me just read them.
LOL Are you there? I know I don’t have much of a life, but I do step away from this damn keep board for about a few hours a day. Most times if someone asks are you there buddy? I pop right in because I am. It’s a sad sad life.
December 29th, 2015 at 6:14 pm
Most nfl fans you know don’t know squat. The real experts say it themselves. THE BUCS ARE A TEAM ON THE RISE. The win total is triple what it was last year, defense was a little better but still needs an overhaul and we need depth at receiver.
December 29th, 2015 at 7:08 pm
@joebucsfan this mothballing of JW is hitting a new low even by your card carrying, pom pom waving, fully paid up member of the JW fan club.
December 29th, 2015 at 8:23 pm
Let the man grow up. O Line better be prepared. Besides, I’d like nothing more than seeing the Panthers ride a 2 game losing streak into the playoffs. Ego driven is right!
December 29th, 2015 at 9:36 pm
Joe Bucs Fan wrote an article… Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb! Get outta here with that non-sense. Seriously, go praise Lovie some more for having a superstar on his team and nothing to do with the offensive schemes we ran.
December 29th, 2015 at 9:54 pm
The NFL and its fans love to see games during the final week have meaning. If out of the playoffs teams started sitting starters to protect them in games that are meaningful it destroys the parity that makes the NFL the top sport in the US.
Additionally this game was flexed from 1:00 to 4:15 due to anticipation by fans to see if the Panthers or Cardinals come out of the NFC with top seed.
Sitting Jameis would go completely against the spirit of how the NFL is run to the mass audiences.
Tanking your chances to compete against the best team in the NFL and to give a young quarterback a taste of what the atmosphere of a “playoff game” is like is a horrendous idea. I like this website a lot and Joe writes some interesting stuff but this idea of his is totally off the wall.
Even if a team is out of playoff hunt the coaches and organization cannot blatantly pull its stars to protect them against good defense’s. That literally fixing games. Bad choice.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:18 pm
Ed…they pulled players out in week 17 last season.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:22 pm
bucsrule24 Says:
December 29th, 2015 at 6:14 pm
“Most nfl fans you know don’t know squat. The real experts say it themselves. THE BUCS ARE A TEAM ON THE RISE.”
Who are these experts? Your crap won’t fly on my site man. You can’t make a blanket statement like that and not back it up with examples on JBF. It just won’t fly.
December 29th, 2015 at 10:54 pm
Joe, you got to stop hyping Jameis up. The guy has talent and has impressed. But there have been a couple of times he has lost his cool. We want to keep the kid as humble as possible. I think he could be a great qb but he has a long way to go. Enough said.
December 30th, 2015 at 12:01 am
Oh look 87 is back. Too bad he needs others to attempt to validate his stance. Of course you werent talking about 2013 ypu were talking about 2014 XD I see you. You love to ramble on yet cant say anything relevant to what i’ve said but the funny part is you keep typing. You cant be serious.
December 30th, 2015 at 12:26 am
The last time I checked its Koetter’s job to develop the QB…not Lovie. Its okay…Joe has been wrong before….it happens. Manziel would be another example. Nobody is perfect…just look at Mayock and Kiper on draft picks…almost makes u think they are guessing sometimes..lol. Lovie has little to do with JW development except to check and make sure he is ready to play on Sunday. This team will never be in the playoffs with Lovie. Bank on it. In time, that will change too-see Kelly in Philly.
December 30th, 2015 at 10:29 am
Joe, as much as I love your blog, I disagree with your opinion on this and only for one reason. Jameis has the chance this week to move himself and the bucs up in the record books. I have seen your most recent post and it says he is 22 yards from passing manning and just think of how great it would be for Jameis to surpass a true legend like that! I realize you want to play it safe and secure our draft pick and everything but I want Jameis to get up there with the other great rookie qbs.
December 30th, 2015 at 11:23 am
Joe. You are wrong on this one and for so many reasons but most importantly is because of the FAN! The most far fetched suggestion I have ever heard from you.
December 30th, 2015 at 1:58 pm
I think the idea is smart, but the Game means something and Lovie needs to try to win the game with his best players. If the Bucs ever find themselves needing another team to win to get into the playoffs or to get home field etc…not going 100% with your best players tends to come back around…Coach respect thing…
December 30th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
can we bench Lovie for this one?
December 31st, 2015 at 3:49 pm
Maybe the bucs should just not play this last game. What do we have to gain from it? We you suggest we don’t play our rookie QB because there is nothing to gain, then what is there to gain at all?
I’ll tell you what is to gain. Winston has always been a winner. But you can’t win if you don’t play. Sure this game is meaningless to the bucs record. What’s another loss, right? But for Jameis and the Buc’s locker room it means so much more. It is their season finale. They can go out with some pride, and play tough against a very good team, or they can go out with their tails between their legs like the Losers you all think they are. Accepting this final game as a loss or a “no win” for Winston is just stupid. I can’t believe anyone would even think of this. I’m truly ashamed of you Joe. The bucs have been on a skid the last few weeks, and have 1 more game to get it back under control, but you suggest they just bench their best, most inspirational player? Because the game means nothing? That is just stupid. I guess every game this year was meaningless since we didn’t make the play offs. So why did we even play this year? It was just a talent building year. Why play the games? They mean nothing. So just take a year or 2 off and train real hard when we have a good roster, and then start playing games again.
So stupid.