New Leader In Locker Room?

October 22nd, 2015
Bucs WR Vincent Jackson and the man he claims is the team's new leader.

Bucs WR Vincent Jackson and the man he claims is the team’s new leader.

Joe thinks chatter about “leaders” in NFL locker rooms is so Harry High School it isn’t even funny. We’re talking pros, here.

In particular, folks wax about who the leaders of the Bucs were last year. Really? Leader(s) of a 2-14 team? What, is this some sort of Don Rickles’ one-liner?

If there is such a thing as a leader — again, we’re talking adults, not children here — then the Bucs may have a new one. And leave it to a salty veteran like wide receiver Vincent Jackson to finger the burgeoning magnetic north of the Bucs.

That would be none other than “America’s Quarterback,” Bucs signal-caller Jameis Winston.

That’s what Jackson said this afternoon from Jameis’ office, the Bucs locker room.

“Love it. Love the kid’s energy,” Jackson said about Jameis’ personality. “He has it each and every day, and it has been that way since the day he has shown up. You haven’t seen a drop or any inconsistencies in his approach to the game. I think that is a tribute to his competitiveness. He comes out and wants to be great. He wants to be really good at what he does. He has fun. He loves this game. You can see that when he is practicing, when he is playing, good, bad or indifferent on how the game is going.

“He steps right back in that huddle with that energy and that smile, like ‘Guys, we are going to get it right. We are going to go down and get some points and do what we do.’

“It is definitely infectious and he is our leader. Everybody comes to expect that now. He has done enough. I know he is only a rookie and it is only Week 6 or 7 here, but he has set that foundation here in this locker room and in this organization about the way he is going to play and the way he is going to approach and you better be rolling with him.”

Now this should give the blowhard haters indigestion. A guy, a veteran like Vincent Jackson, saying a rookie who hasn’t yet played his sixth NFL regular season game is commanding the culture of the locker room?

And people wonder why Joe refers to Jameis as “America’s Quarterback?”

Wonder what is going through the mind of Evan Smith right now?

110 Responses to “New Leader In Locker Room?”

  1. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    But CRAB LEGS!!!!!!

  2. DefenseRules Says:

    @Joe … “And people wonder why Joe refers to Jameis as “America’s Quarterback?”

    Not really Joe. That’s your moniker for Jameis. It’s your website.

    What I do wonder about is this thing you have for Evan Smith. Seems kinda petty to me. If he helps us win … great. If he doesn’t … Hasta la vista baby. Next?

  3. Buc1987 Says:

    But stealing ketchup cups full of soda at BK too!!!!

    Serious Joe. You don’t believe in leaders in the locker room?

    Okay then. How about Ray Lewis? He wasn’t a leader in the locker room?

    Ever seen Drew Brees before a game in a huddle with his payers riling and hyping them up for the game?

    Ever seen Tom Brady going up and down the bench on the sidelines firing up his teammates?

    Harry High School?

  4. StevieJanowski Says:

    Haters make me lol

  5. mike Says:

    the smartest thing we did this off season was keep highly paid vjax. He’s a great guy and perfect for a rookie qb. His best days have past but #3 and the bucs need him

  6. JAB83 Says:

    Umm, glad VJax agrees with my assessment of who the “surprise” really is thus far and why 😉 Thank you VJax for addressing this fact before we resume play!!! Now I can say for certain the following!!! Americas QB is Tampa’s pride and joy!!! He is making his teammates perform better on Offence and soon to be on Defence as well…

    And Joe, for the record… Leadership is even more important among men than it is children… Case and point, children learn from trial and error and grow up to be followers or leaders… Take me for an example… I have learned as a kid without leadership what hurts and what does not… Now as a man I am a leader of fans… OK bad example…

    Take politics for an example…… Enough said….. 🙂 Pride of Tampa Jameis Winston!!! Name change time!!! I don’t want to share him anymore…. lol

  7. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    And exactly what does Jameis’ leadership have to do with Evan Smith?….or was this simply another opportunity to take a shot at a player Joe has chosen not to like?

    To me, it detracts from the subject of the article….

    And, of course he is a leader…..that is partly why we chose him #1 overall…..he’s also a QB which is a natural leadership position…..

    I think Carr, Bridgewater, Bortles, Mariota & Luck are all leaders in their on way.

    Let’s celebrate Winston without tearing down someone else in the process….

  8. Buc1987 Says:

    OMGAWD…Jameis in 2017. The thought of it just puts a smile on my face.

  9. Buc1987 Says:

    TBBF…Evan Smith said in certain ways that Jameis is just a rookie amd rookie’s are not going be leaders of this team. In case you missed that Joe provide the link in the article above…

  10. Buc1987 Says:

    “We have plenty of leaders on this team, plenty of leaders in this locker room. … We’ve got guys who lead on this team. We’ve got guys who can play football. … [Jameis] has to learn how we do things around here. … You have to fall into the Bucs way. Follow the older guys. Guys have been doing this for a while. We know what to do.” – Evan Smith

  11. JAB83 Says:

    PS… He will also make SOME of us better fans (again)…. Coming soon to Tampa???? Sold out BUCS games and packed bars (again). Corporate America will be calling him Tiger Tiger would y’all…. I am Mike commercials… Who’s your favorite player Mr Derrick Brooks… Go Knows… Yeah he is bringing all back…. Just insert “Pride of Tampa, Americas QB Famous Jameis Jaboo Winston…

    Boom goes the dynomite/mind blown (*#&%)

  12. JAB83 Says:

    *Tiger woods obviously and BO (Jackson) Knows

  13. DB55 Says:

    So you’re telling me Jameis isn’t happy with “just” being able to play in the NFL? You’re telling me he actually want to score points and WIN games? This can’t be true bc the “real leaders” are just “blessed” to be able to suit up. It not about sacks or tfl it’s about enjoying the millions and having fun.

    I guess Evans was right Jameis has to learn “the buc way”.

  14. Buc1987 Says:

    LMAO Jab…you’re a character dude.

  15. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    I like this article

  16. Buc1987 Says:

    DB55…last years “Buc way” whatever the hell that means for a sh!tty center who’s only been with the team a year and a 1/2, with his first season amounting to a 2-14 record. YES Evan let’s continue the “Buc way” that got the team 2 wins last season. Hurray!

    People defend this guy saying Joe picks on him all the time. I say Evan is an idiot with statements like that and deserves to be picked on. Defend that!

  17. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    The article was May11……Smith hadn’t even met Jameis…..think he was speaking of all rookies in general…..and, he isn’t the only one who has made comments like that.

    There is no question that Joe is down on EDS and has been for some time….even advocating starting anyone but Smith. Now, I don’t particularly like EDS myself, but it is clear that Joe is doing everything he can to influence JBF readers that EDS is a bad guy and a bad player.

    Now, Joe will, of course deny that….but I think we can all read between the lines.

    My point remains……you can continue the “oversell” campaign for Winston without denegreating someone else.

  18. DB55 Says:


    Joe doesn’t have to oversell if you got eyes you already know.

  19. JAB83 Says:

    @87 Thanks I try 🙂 And for the record… IWhen I speak I tend to be right… Joe Maddon school of thought kinda of guy

  20. DB55 Says:


    I think it more than just EDS. Just today joe posted an article about one leader who believes it’s not about sacks or tfl it’s about participating.

    Participation trophies for EVERYONE!!!! YEY!!!

  21. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    I enjoy the talk but what I really want right now are W’s!!!

  22. OneLove Says:

    Let’s all thank the GENIUS Lovie Smith for tanking last season to PUT US IN POSITION TO ACQUIRE our future aka “The Messiah” aka “I steal crab legs for fun!” aka “America’s Quarterback”…. Jameis Winston!!

  23. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    That’s exactly what “overselling is”……stating the obvious after the sale (draft pick) has been made.

    Jameis is a leader…..positive…..unafraid…..friendly…..hard worker…..passionate….

    All of the haters are simply ginned up by the overselling and….of course “America’s QB”

    When you don’t have a controversy….create one!!!

  24. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    StPeteBucsFan Says:
    October 22nd, 2015 at 4:39 pm
    I enjoy the talk but what I really want right now are W’s!!!

    In the tradition of 87…..

    No, you can’t always get what you want
    You can’t always get what you want
    You can’t always get what you want
    But if you try sometime you find
    You get what you need

  25. Buc1987 Says:

    lol DB.

    TBBF….I’m not even talking about what he said towards Jameis being a rookie and he has to learn the ropes. I’m talking about that “Buc Way” statement. Jameis comes from a winning program at FSU. He was used to winning way back in May. Yes it wasn’t the pro’s, but for Evan Smith to say Jameis needs to learn the “Buc Way” coming from a 2-14 team to me is just an outrageous, ridiculous, idiotic and anything else you can think of way of putting it.

    So in a way, it does come off as he didn’t like Jameis to begin with. OR He’s all for rookie hazing and all that crap. I can see if McCoy, LVD or VJAX made such a statement, but coming from this guy, the guy that snaps balls over the QB’s head. A guy that played on one of the worst o-lines in the NFL last season. NO I see that as, I just don’t like the kid. There’s plenty of people that didn’t like him before the draft. Evan Smith very well could have been one of those people.

  26. Buc1987 Says:

    JAB….I’m kind of a minor Red Sox fan. Sorry that’s where I grew up and TB didn’t have a team when I moved here, so I stayed with the Sox. That being said I’m a HUGE fan of Joe Maddon.

  27. Buc1987 Says:


    I saw her(Evan Smith) today at the reception
    A glass of wine in her(Evan Smith hand

  28. Buc1987 Says:

    “All of the haters are simply ginned up by the overselling”


    The hatred was there long before the overselling even took place. You saw it before the draft in here. It was rampant. How I lived through it still amazes me with my history of ulcers.

    Did he over-sell after the draft? Perhaps, but the hatred was already there.

  29. PRBucFan Says:

    Your refer to him that way to get a reaction is why lol.

    But as far as JW, he is definitely the “Bucs QB”, he’s taken those reigns officially.

  30. Buccfan37 Says:

    87… do you have a natural remedy to treat the ulcers and what caused them. Does it include trapped gas varying from your chest cavity down into your stomach?

  31. Howard Cosell Says:


  32. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    Drinking soda out of ketchup cups = Sociopath


  33. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    ginned up…means to enliven, excite or enthuse……not to create…..yes the haters were already there….but they are being “ginned up”…..

  34. DB55 Says:


    but it is clear that Joe is doing everything he can to influence JBF readers that EDS is a bad guy and a bad player.

    I meant EDS, I guess I should he said joe doesn’t need to influence

  35. rayjay1122 Says:

    We are fortunate to have been able to get Winston. Time will prove it. I knew he had great leadership traits based on his charisma and love for the game as well as his willingness to put in the extra time because he wants to be great at his craft. Haters will hate though just like some people would not want a winning lottery ticket because of the taxes.

  36. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    If we have to have a player villan….I guess EDS would be the best candidate…..and I doubt unless something really changes like he and the current Oline gelling really nicely all year…..he will be gone.

    Other Joe candidates are Jenkins, Jennings…..but that’s mostly for their on-field weaknesses.

    He was picking on Mankins quite a bit last year but has eased off this year.

  37. BrianBucs Says:

    If your professional NFL football team is being led by a 21 year old rookie, then you are in big trouble

  38. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    I have to admit, I lost respect for Winston after the crab leg incident. I would have stole shrimp!!😜

  39. Couch Fan Says:

    Unless the 21 year old is an exceptional leader. But I get your point.

  40. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    Unless your NFL football team is 2-14 …..30-70……and you have a void of leadership.

    I don’t care if the leadership comes from a cheerleader….as long as it’s effective.

  41. unbelievable Says:


    Maybe Joe has issue with Evan Smith because his play AND his attitude have both sucked for the last 2 years.

  42. Buc1987 Says:

    BuccaneEric75…just so long as it’s not farm raised shrimp from Thailand. That stuff is nasty stuff man. Do you know how they feed the shrimp in the farm over there? They put a chicken coup above it and the chicken’s crap in the water to feed the shrimp. True story on 60 minutes. Same thing with Talapia. Farm raised shrimp is bland and without flavor.

    Oh yah GO Bucs!

  43. DB55 Says:

    @SPBF + 87

    Yesterday I said I’d do some research in regards to the argument that “Jameis lost all the games bc of his TO” and this is what I found.

    Of the 148 points allowed by the bucs JW is responsible (due to TO) for 44 points. That’s 104 points allowed which would put the bucs in 6th place in the league for points allowed.

    Obviously this is very simplified but we still would have lost each game except for Carolina where JW accounted for 27 points dues to TO. Although I doubt we would have won that game anyway.

    If you adjust the points it would look something like this: (again over simplified)

    Tenn 28- bucs 17, Saints 19 – bucs 26, Houston 16 – bucs 9, Carolina 10 – bucs 23, Jags 31- bucs 38

    So we would have a 3-2 record rather than a 2-3 record. Again, I doubt we would have beat Carolina.

    Well, that was fun. If anything it answered some concerns I had.

  44. Buc1987 Says:

    Buccfan37…yup mostly in the chest near the heart and shoulder pains too except right now I’ve been diagnosed with mild gastritis and I say mild my ass. I’m slowly recovering, but it took 2 weeks before I could see my G.I. doc. I’ve been on a bland diet for over a week now and it sucks. If I cheat just a little it acts up something fierce. Stress seems to really make it worse though as I’m slowly finding out. Being a Bucs fan, blogging here and politics certainly doesn’t help the problem. I was just telling my wife that I think I need to be locked up somewhere for about 3 days and I bet everything would go away. It’s feeling of a heart attack everyday that really wears on you that and no alcohol, coffee, sugar, salt…and yes for the pot heads weed too.

    Okay I’m done talking about me now. Just answering a question.

  45. Buc1987 Says:

    DB55…excellent work Batman. Makes sense to me.

  46. Dreambig Says:

    Those are some big time words from V-Jax that do nothing but inspire hope! Gave me a warm feeling all over! Every attribute we see or hear about Jameis
    seems to be that of someone committed to be great at his craft. When he gains a bit more experience and his enthusiasm seeps through to ther rest of the team, that offense is going to start rolling. I bet we start to see it this year.

  47. Dreambig Says:

    87 – I have your cure. Spend less internet time on the bucs and more on free porn. Just be sure not to pay for any, that will contribute to more stress! LOL!

  48. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    NFL Football game outcomes involve a very complex set of variables & turnovers are an important part……but the timing of turnovers…..a missed FG……a squandered scoring opportunity…..and failure to take advantage of a possible turnover….I believe it was either last year or the year before last….Goldson missed a pick 6 opportunity that would have won the game for us.

    In the Tennessee game….we has a 4th and inches overturned at a crucial time….killing our momentum.

    Then, of course you have coaching decisions…..kicking a FG instead of attempting a 4th & 1 etc..

    Very complex indeed….

  49. Buccfan37 Says:

    87…Thanks for that reply.

  50. DB55 Says:


    You right absolutely that why I preface with over simplified.

  51. No better way to say it Says:

    The Bucs seem to be the only team that gives up automatic scores after a turnover. The D still could make a stop if it was actually any good. Saying that Winston was directly responsible for 27 points against the Panthers isnt very truthful considering the defense could have still made stops. Peyton is turning the ball over every game but Denvers defense still makes stops.

  52. Buccfan37 Says:

    87… Other questions please. Is this diagnosed as an ulcer? Is an ulcer caused by bacteria? Do you take antibiotics to fight the bacteria? What do you take besides a bland diet for a stomach ulcer?

  53. Erik with Clean Athletics Says:

    I love hearing these words from VJax…

    And I love Jameis’ personality.

    It’s so great to hear perpetual positivity and optimistic motivation on a regular basis (yes, even for adults, Joe), whatever the situation may be. And whatever the endeavor may be, I guarantee that the overall success and journey to that success will be greater and more fulfilling. Hence, one of the greatest values in a coach or teacher is to be a great motivator/leader.

    I’ve definitely grown to love Winston at this point…

    As long as he continues to put in the work, and he handles success well once we start winning more, I think he will be solid and hopefully elite for a long time.

  54. DefenseRules Says:

    @StevieJanowski … “Haters make me lol.

    Interesting comment Stevie. If I interpret it correctly, if you’re ever the slightest bit critical of Jameis like a number of commenters have been, you’re a ‘hater’. Very interesting.

    Jameis, like EVERY rookie and especially EVERY rookie QB, will have up-and-down games. Peyton Manning did, Troy Aikman did, John Elway did … go right down the line. Rookie QBs have a LOT of learning to do, and sometimes that results in turnovers and costs you games. As many DLinemen have surely said, ‘Welcome to the NFL rookie.’

    A fan’s comments might be critical of a player’s performance on the field, but that doesn’t mean that he or she is being ‘a hater’. If what they pen is derogatory of the person (their religion, their race, etc) not that’s ‘a hater’.

    Fans can in fact make the Bucs better … by supporting them at the games for one thing. But not by labeling others ‘haters’.

  55. Erik with Clean Athletics Says:

    coach, teacher, *or teammate

  56. Joe Says:

    Maybe Joe has issue with Evan Smith because his play AND his attitude have both sucked for the last 2 years.


  57. Erik with Clean Athletics Says:

    To 87 and Bucfan37,

    I can’t diagnose or prescribe, but if I was personally dealing with gastrointestinal situations of any kind (including the above stated conditions), I would feel very confident that I could fix my situation by taking: a couple shots of Aloe juice per day, 1 5g serving of L-Glutamine powder, at least 2 digestive enzymes immediately prior to eating, a basic probiotic supplement, and 1-2 servings of ground flax seed anytime throughout the day. Also, I would avoid drinking coffee on an empty stomach (or at all), and drink a good amount of water throughout the day as well.

    That might sound like alot, but I guarantee that I would be perfectly fine as long as I do all (or most) of those things on a regular basis.

  58. cmurda Says:

    Give Joe a hard time for skullbanging Evan Smith if you want, but Joe only does that to players that steal the fans and the Glazers money. Evan Smith fits the profile to this point. It sounds like Smith is going to be starting again which is a big mistake in the making. If he does start, let’s see if this O Line continues to play as well as it has the past few weeks. Just sayin. I’m quick to defend Bucs players but I can’t stand this guy.

  59. cmurda Says:


    As you mentioned before being a Bucs fan can’t possibly help your G.I issues. Unfortunately, you could do everything Erik mentioned as well as being reincarnated as a caterpillar and you will still have some of the symptoms. I share your pain. Seriously, I really do share your pain.

  60. Bucnut2 Says:

    I really like JW’s attitude. to call him the “leader” of the offense at this point is premature. On the field play determines leadership. JW’s play is mixed at this point. I like him, but not anointing him savior until his play warrants, which at this point it does not.

  61. cmurda Says:

    Wow, Bucnut. Did you just say JW’s play is mixed? It seems you are starting to warm to him. Say it ain’t so. I’m going to miss arguing with you.

  62. Bucnut2 Says:

    87- take care of yourself. I had similar problems and thought it was just heartburn. My Doc was able to help me with antacids. 6 months later, I had a stroke due a clot which passed through a hole in my heart. Be well and get that checked out.

  63. Bucnut2 Says:

    CMRUDA- you are correct sir. I would LOVE to have misjudged him. I will admit that I preferred MM. not because of off field stuff but because I saw MM as a future Aaron Rogers. I LOVE the BUCS and think they can make the playoffs this year IF JW can limit his mistakes.

  64. Buccfan37 Says:

    Erik with Clean Athletics… Thanks so much for that info.

  65. tickrdr Says:

    @Buc1987 and BuccFan37:
    Not my specialty, and cannot comment on the regimen from Erik, as I have no experience with homeopathic treatments.

    Most ulcers/gastritis are due to hyper-acidity syndromes, i.e. too much acid in the stomach, with possible reflux back into the esophagus (GERD or reflux esophagitis). So the mainstays of medical treatment are directed at decreasing stomach acid, and minimizing the likelihood of reflux (the acid splashing back into the esophagus, which is the muscular tube connecting the throat with the stomach). Therefore, the older treatments were H2 receptor blockers, which blocked acid production in the stomach. These were meds like Tagamet, Zantac, and Pepcid. Now, the newer treatments are called proton pump inhibitors (PPI Rx), such as Prilosec, Nexium, and Protonix. These latter agents have the added benefit of increasing the lower esophageal sphincter pressure, which lessens the likelihood of reflux into the esophagus. This latter disorder causes classic “heartburn”, but also often gives a bitter “acid” taste in the mouth, especially while lying down. Certain foodstuffs worsen the possibility of reflux by lowering the lower esophageal sphincter pressure, thereby worsening the potential for acid to splash back into the esophagus. These include alcohol and methylxanthines such as caffeine, and chocolate.

    It is true that some ulcers are caused or exacerbated with bacterial infections called Helicobacter pylori or H. pylori for short. If you have chronic or recurrent ulcer disease, your doctor should consider a test for H. pylori infection. If present, this often requires a prolonged course of antibiotics (up to three weeks). Importantly, if you are having BLACK stools, and ulcer symptoms as well, you may be bleeding internally, as stomach acid acts on blood in the GI tract to turn it black like tar.

    Lastly, I often see patients with “heartburn” or suspected ulcers, but sometimes find out they are having cardiac symptoms due to coronary insufficiency, which we call angina. If you have risk factors to get coronary atherosclerosis (blockages in your heart arteries), such as hypertension (high BP), hyperlipidemia (high cholesterol levels), diabetes mellitus, smoking history, or significant family history for heart disease, perhaps you should be seeing a cardiologist about these symptoms, ESPECIALLY if they are getting worse or more frequent, and if they occur with exertion.

    Sorry for the long post.


  66. cmurda Says:

    Good post tickrdr and I appreciate that info. This part describes me to a “T”.

    These latter agents have the added benefit of increasing the lower esophageal sphincter pressure, which lessens the likelihood of reflux into the esophagus. This latter disorder causes classic “heartburn”, but also often gives a bitter “acid” taste in the mouth, especially while lying down.

  67. tickrdr Says:

    You’re most welcome!


  68. Buccfan37 Says:

    tickrdr… Thank you also for that detailed info.

  69. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    I’ve heard botox treatments to the esophagus can help….I don’t know that it is for this condition or another…..

  70. tickrdr Says:

    You, too, are most welcome.

    I have not heard of botox injections for peptic ulcer disease. Botox is short for botulinum toxin, which causes local paralysis of smooth muscle, when injected. Therefore, it is used to inject around the face to get rid of “aging” lines, which may be due to tension in some of the facial muscles. I cannot think of a mechanism for it to help hyper-acidity syndromes, but it certainly may have a role in esophageal spasm, which is a painful syndrome caused by spasm of the smooth muscles of the esophagus, such as in achalasia, resulting in chest pain or odynophagia, which is pain or difficulty in swallowing.


  71. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    I think that’s the condition it’s used for…the treatments last about 18 months and have a decreasing effectiveness over time….Achalasia….I think is the condition.

  72. Buc1987 Says:

    Tickrdr…I’ll try to make this short and sweet. Hopefully you’ll come back on and read it. 3 weeks ago I woke up with really bad nausea as bad as when I had diverticulitis. The nausea lasted all day long for 5 straight days. Luckily I had some nausea meds around my house. So I fought it down for those 5 days. On the 6th and 7th day the nausea went away but I just felt blah not want to do anything. By the 8th day I got this pretty bad pain stuck near the right side of my heart that wouldn’t really go away with tums or antacids. I dealt with it until the 10th day and on that night it got really bad and I felt faint around 10:30 or so. So I decided to check my blood pressure as I do take meds for them and it’s usually perfect. The cuff thingy read 205/ 175 and I freaked. So had to call up mom to take me to the hospital. Chest x-rays,EKG, blood work and urine sample. Everything came back fine except for the urine sample. Said I had lots of blood in my urine and bacteria +2. They gave me a CT just to rule out kidney stones. CT came back clear as a bell. Gave me anti-biotics for the bacteria and discharged me. BP still kind of high though when I was discharged 169/102 or so. Called GI doc to ask if he could double my omeperzole from 40 mg once a day to another 40 mg twice a day. He was on vacation, so the nurse had to call it in as I told them I might have another ulcer. Started taking it twice a day. Took for 3 days started to get better. On the 4th day I was able to finally see him. He scheduled an endoscopy because I begged him. He did it the next day. Results : mild gastritis, small hiatal hernia and Barrett’s esophagus. Stayed on the double omep and he told me to take 2 otc of Zantac 150 a day on top of the omep. Bland diet, yada yada, no this no that. So I’m following everything BUT the bland diet for a few days because I’m starting to feel a little bit better anyways. That’s until I got this pain in the left side of my left pectoral muscle right near my armpit and above the heart. Comes and goes, starts as a sharp pain the spot rides down to the middle of my chest sometimes goes the other way to my shoulder and down my arm. Scary stuff, think heart attack city when it hits. It would come and go about 5 -6 times throughout the day, but got worse at night. Over the past few days I’ve watched what I’ve been eating, got of nicotine gum and went to the patch. Feeling a little better, but that pain does seem to come back when I get over excited or mad about something and I start hollering about politics or the Bucs or something like that. It makes me want lie down I can tell you that. Then it goes away. Here’s where it gets complicated.

    I’ve been taking 40 MG of omep a day for the last 2 years. Well before all this started I was off the omep for 10 days straight as I had run out of it. So I called the pharmacy to get the refill because I thought that was what was causing the nausea for five straight days. I’ve researched angina because it really doesn’t feel right when it hits. Actually when it hits I grab the phone and put my shoes on. Since EKG came back normal, the blood work came back normal, chest x-ray normal should I still be worried about angina? Or is it because I went off of my omeperzole for 10 days and drank alcohol not in excess though, chewed nic gum and didn’t watch my diet? I only had one attack today that only lasted about 30 seconds or so, but when it hits it’s like it reverberates through my whole body and I HAVE to lay down. Again it happened when I was screaming and hollering. I see my GI again on the 26th and I have lots of questions for him and have been thinking about seeing a cardiac doctor, but if all the tests came back normal in the hospital, I just can’t see the need to do it. Also about 8 months ago I did have a stress test and echo which came back fine. It turned out to be diverticulitis at that time.

    So what do you think I should do?

    Sorry Joe. I did mention Bucs one time in the paragraph atleast. It is Buc-related or JBF related as some of these debates can get heated and I stress sometimes.

  73. Buc1987 Says:

    Wow so much for short and sweet…

  74. Buc1987 Says:

    Forgot to mention. I have lots of added stress in my house due to having not 1 but 2 special needs children. Something I never told anyone on here about. 14 year old girl is autistic and throws nearly daily fits around the house. The 9 year old girl was born with a rare form of muscular dystrophy called myotonic, muscular dystrophy.

    Such is why I have been forced to work from home, so that I can take care of my kids. The kids need me for many things and when I’m sick. It’s not a good scene. I’ve read that lots of stress can also irritate gastritis and I’ve also read that gastritis can mimic the feeling of a heart attack and vice versa. I’ve done a lot of research on all of this crap. Most of my family thinks it was the cold turkey from the omep, nic gum, drinking coffee and alcohol without the omep, plus the stress.

    Okay I’m done now I promise.

  75. DB55 Says:

    Forgot to mention. Lol

  76. Buc1987 Says:

    DB…Ha ha ha ha STRESS!

    It’s the politics site and JBF I tell ya…

  77. Buc1987 Says:

    Now for my life story.

    “I was born a poor black child….”

    –Steve Martin The Jerk

  78. DB55 Says:

    Aaron Lynch killing these dudes. #Bulls

  79. Buc1987 Says:

    Joe Bucs Fan Walk-in-Clinic….How may I help you?

    Joe you could be saving a valuable life and you don’t even know it…

    I’m trying to live as long as I can for my 2 kids, because after the wife and I are gone, they’re pretty much screwed.

    DB55…none of this crap started until I hit 40. BTW Happy 40th Birthday again.

  80. DB55 Says:

    Ty man. I wasn’t aware waking up was so painful. Jeez need a yoga class in the morning.

  81. tickrdr Says:

    Wow, Buc1987!
    Sounds like you have had a rough go of it. By your history, it does not sound as if your symptoms are cardiac in origin, but if you have many of the risk factors I listed before, or if your symptoms are exacerbated by exertion, i.e. walking, climbing stairs, carrying things etc.; you may want to visit your cardiologist. Those BP numbers are pretty high, and if you’re on nicotine gum or patches, I suspect you are a former smoker as well. How are your cholesterol numbers? I don’t know your age, but I think you have mentioned previously that you are in your forties, which makes heart disease somewhat less likely, but not impossible.

    Has your gastroenterologist checked you for H. pylori infection? You might also want to consider a different PPI Rx, such as Dexilant, which seems a more potent inhibitor of acid secretion than omeprazole and the other PPI’s. It might be more expensive though, as it is not available as a generic medication.

    Sorry, Joe! We can take this to the message boards, if you like, but not much else happening on this thread at this hour.


    P.S. : I guess I’ll have to stop comparing JW3’s stats to MG8’s, as that is undoubtedly contributing to your stress levels, and consequent increased acid production!!! LOL.

  82. DB55 Says:


    I have a ? If I may. JW best and worst play? Go!

  83. tickrdr Says:


    BTW, I type so slowly that I did not see anything of the above after your post @ 10:24PM. Godspeed to you and your family!!


  84. Buc1987 Says:

    DB55…It’s only painful if you actually have to do physical labor for a job. Me I sit at a desk all day in my home, but yeah I did construction a few years back. The morning’s ain’t no joke. I used to laugh when people would come on here and say 87 you need a job, you’re always on here. LOL my kids are harder than any job I could do outside of this house. My wife works a lot of hours, so the kids are basically my deal, plus she’s had mental breakdowns in the past from the autistic one. So I took over as I grew up with a little brother with autism. It’s screwed up man. My older brother has 6 yes 6 normal kids and I have 2 special needs kids. It’s like wth when I think about it. We stopped at 2 kids, because the next one might come out blind, or have no limbs or something. Is still love em though. Probably more than peopel do with normal children. Your kid got an A in math, big deal my kid is 9 and she just learned to walk. That brought tears to my eyes seeing her walk for the first time. Every milestone is bog freaking deal.

    So the next time one of you calls me an a-hole and I can be, just keep in my mind what I do every day. 70% of marriages of parents with special needs kids, ends in divorce.

  85. Buc1987 Says:

    tickrdr…forgot to mention the BP is back to normal.

  86. tickrdr Says:


    If your question is directed to me, that answer is easy, for me anyway.

    Worst: Pick6 x 2, especially the first one, which took the air out of the entire stadium, and perhaps the season, too!

    Best: That TD throw to VJAX in the back of the endzone. Simply a thing of beauty!


    PS: I can’t let the question go, without answering the same questions for MG8 too.

    Worst: Probably a rollout to his left and then fumbling the ball out of bounds, without anyone touching him.

    Best: The absolute LASER BEAM he threw to Louis Murphy late in the game at Pittsburgh last year.

  87. Buc1987 Says:

    No H pylori..came back negative. I think this pain that I’m having is an after effect from all the missiles firing into my heart all day for a week straight.

  88. James Walker Says:

    Vincent Jackson said that? Damn……

  89. tickrdr Says:

    Normal BP, no H. pylori, …. glad to hear it!


    How about DB55’s question to me for the rest of you??
    Best and worst for Jameis so far?
    For Glennon too, if you haters can think of even ONE good moment? LOL

  90. DB55 Says:

    I say the 52 yard strike to Murphy or the downfield block he threw. LOL

    Worst? Too many to choose from but I’d say the fumble vs the jags when he tried to throw the ball away. Luckily it wasn’t called but that would have been like the 4th time he did that since the Oregon game. Geez U G L Y you ain’t got no alibi …

  91. Buc1987 Says:’s just that all the blood work came back normal. The EKG was normal and the chest X-ray as well. The doc at the hospital said the spike in BP might be because of the pain I was having. Yes 205/175 is stroke city. Excercise doesn’t seem to bother it all that much. It just seems when I get worked up it hits me. So it could be the gastritis. I don’t know. It went from 5-6 times a day to once a day now. Yesterday nothing as I had nothing to piss me off about. Yesterday was the best day I had in weeks. Then again yesterday was the first day I actually started the bland diet.

  92. Buc1987 Says:

    Oh and it’s sore to the touch when I push on the pain area. It feels like it’s part of pec muscle just small area that feels a little swollen. It might be because when I’m ranting and raving I wave my arms. Again I don’t know. Probably call a cardio doc after I see my GI doc again next week. Until then I’ll just clutch the phone everytime it happens. lol

  93. Buc1987 Says:

    Yes back to football now. Give me a second….you know there’s just so many highlights…lol jk

  94. DB55 Says:


    You need to excerice, man I can’t even spell excersice. You’ll feel better, trust. Make time! “You know what’s better than 7minute abs? 6 minute abs.”

    let me tell you bro you are not alone! JBF is an escape and I great one at that!

  95. Buc1987 Says:

    Man all the games are jumbled together for me in my mind right now. Really oddly enough I’d like to say the deep pass that he threw to Evans in the end zone that was well defended and Evans dropped it. On the right side of the end zone by the pylon. I thought the pas was pretty on point, didn’t hit him in stride or anything but I liked the touch on the ball and the accuracy of it. I think it was the Houston game, but I don’t actually remember.

  96. tickrdr Says:


    Since MG8 has not played against JAX, I assume you must mean JW3.
    When you said “too many to choose form”, I was sure you must have meant MG8. LMAO.

    Even the haters must admit that Glennon has had 29 “lucky” “checkdown” throws that have resulted in TDs in only 18 starts.

    How about your take on Glennon’s best and worst, from your memory?


    I still wonder how Mike, the “game manager” would do behind this OL, with Dirk Koetter and these receivers. SMH.

  97. Buc1987 Says:

    DB55…already thought of exercising and I’m not even nearly over weight. I weigh a mere 175 pounds and I’m 6 foot tall. I just wanted to exercise to get thinks going to maybe make myself feel better, because I don;t get any all day.

    Googled it exercise and gastritis. Found out it’s HUGE no no. Execise is the last thing that you want to do because it causes excess acidin your stomach making it worse.

  98. Buc1987 Says:

    I thought Glennon played stellar in his rookie debut against the Cards actually. Except for the late INT to end the game I thought we were going to win that game. I was at that game in the end zone and repeatedly hollered out “You can do it Mikey” every time they were near my end zone.

  99. DB55 Says:

    MG8 is a GOAT! ALL his plays ROCK! Lol. I can’t remember.

  100. BucsFan85 Says:

    87, wow I don’t comment much on here anymore, but still follow everyday. Sorry to hear about everything going on with you… You got my prayers!! Anything going on in that area is scary!

    On another note, Michael Bennett is a beast, sucks we got rid of him. Seattle def. not the same team they used to be, but wow!! I like our pass rush where it’s at though. Howard looks like he will work out well, smith, mccoy, and keep blitzing safety, corners, LB’s Let’s show em what we got!!

  101. Buc1987 Says:

    Thanks everyone for your prayers and well wishes. I go from gallbladder removed to having acute diverticulitis for 6 weeks straight, then have 2 ulcers, cure them, then hiatal hernia, then inguinal hernia and now gastritis. I only drink 2 nights a week too. Well used to anyways it’s been nearly a month now and I need a shot badly. It’s crazy I have a 55 year old cousin that’s gets up every morning around 5:30 AM and cracks open a bottle of vodka and drinks all day long and he’s pretty healthy for now anyways. It’s not fair I tell ya. I’m not a heavy drinker at all.

  102. Buc1987 Says:

    Glennon had a much better rookie debut than Jameis that’s for certain, then again he did get to hold the clipboard for what 4 weeks or so.

  103. bucsbedabest Says:

    Evan Smith is a better center and a better run blocker than Joe Hawley. If you disagree why don’t you do a statistical analyst of him by Pro Football Focus or any other site? Better yet.. watch game film. Isn’t that a brilliant idea. Who had the least amount of sacks and QB pressures last year? Who on this OL plays “smash mouth” football? Which player on offense is first in when a fight breaks out? Let me tell you a little about the man who BTW deserves a lot more respect on one of his teams websites than I see from the owner and the ones who visit it. Evan Smith came from the Green Bay Packers. The most storied franchise in football. He snapped for the best QB in football, Aaron Rodgers. In week 12, of the 2011 season, against Detroit, the then Dietrich-Smith entered the lineup at right guard and became a household name, in his first significant game, when he was stomped on by Ndamukong Suh. By the end of the 2012 season, he was going to the playoffs. In 2013 he was ranked as Pro Football Focus No. 1 center in the league in pass blocking. “Moreover, Dietrich-Smith keeps quarterbacks off the ground. He has had nine games this season in which he did not allow a single sack. By a Bleacher Report article that year. So why did Evan Smith, who showed he had the ‘Right Stuff’ and was at the top of most of the lists during free agency, suddenly become average in Tampa Bay? The same reason Michael Johnson, Anthony Collins, Alterraun Verner, Josh McCown and so many others did. You fill in the blank. Just because he expressed his opinion on a rookie before he ever played with him, should not make people have a biased opinion of him. If Jameis Winston wants to be the leader on this team it starts with his play. Show your teammates you can be consistent in not making turnovers and you can bring this team from behind and win a game. Then he will be a leader.

  104. Buc1987 Says:

    bucsbedabest…nice post and great points, but I think I’ll stick to what Vjax said over what Evan Smith said. As I stated earlier some may say what he said was just fine. I’m not one of them. The people that hated this kid while he was in college is up into the millions. I think Evan was one of them millions. It’s really not that hard to believe if you think about it. Least I can see your points, but it’s still a probability that he was one of the haters. Perhaps his sister or relative was sexually assaulted or something I don’t know. It’s just the way I took it. I hate this kid.

  105. DB55 Says:


  106. Couch Fan Says:

    If I remember right, the comments came before or during training camp before Winston even played his first game. And he didnt say anything disrepectful or mean. As one of the vets I think he had every right to say that. Now a few games into Jameis’s career its a different story. He has some experience to fall back on and can be looked at as a leader. This is a non issue and a non story being blown up into something bigger than it really is.

  107. mike Says:

    oh yes for sure that EDS did NOT want to recognize Jamies by his name during the media sessions in OTA’s or training camp. Its one thing to say let a rookie earn his place in the team but to disrespect him based on his reputation was completely idiotic by Smith. He should worry about loosing the freaking weight he had gained and worry about his “veteran” skills.
    And to that hater that was disguising as stats guru on Winston’s TOs into opponents TD, get a life please. He’s a fukin rookie that will make mistakes which everybody qb does. As a true Bucs fan, you shld realize that the team got a franchise QB for years which they didn’t have before. Got my tickets and jersey ready to go see my squad here in DC!!

  108. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Evan Smith sucks as a player and as a leader. Period.

    He’s actually bad for the locker room too. He has this attitude that reminds me of the old men in movies that would rather keep the status quo and lose than have new blood come in and change things.

    And I know for a fact his horrid center skills cost us 2-3 games last year.

    I wanted him replaced, but only so much could be done. I’m just thankful we might get a little production from him this year. It’s clear Lovie and Koetter want a new center. They’ve been trying multiple guys out since the season started.

    As to Winston being a “new” leader…I don’t see where the “new” comes from. Joe has been cramming Winston down our throats for a year now, and since he was drafted, Joe has been calling him a leader.

    And Winston SHOULD be a leader.

    Is he a Captain? Freeman was his first year, so Winston MUST be one, right?

    Regardless, I like his attitude this year. This off season will be his true test. If he can stay out of trouble and rally the troops throughout the off season, it will go a long way to proving doubters wrong…assuming he finishes hte season strong.

  109. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Feel better, 87

  110. godzilla13 Says:

    @Buc1987 Says: You do not know that Evan Smith hates Jameis Winston. Have you ever spoken to him? Have you ever heard ES say “I hate Jameis Winston?” In a later article Joe wrote (the first time he addressed JW by his name) he was very positive about JW.

    BuccaneerBonzai Says: Evan Smith does not suck as a player and he does not profess to be a leader. How do you know he is a bad influence in the locker room? Have you ever been in a locker room? Please explain to me how he, a single player, cost the team 2 to 3 games last year? Winston’s not the leader of this team. He needs to become the QB we all believe he can be. Leaders in the NFL are all players who excl in their position and whom other players envy.