Refreshing Honesty From Koetter

August 31st, 2015
"Meaningless" preseason game.

“Meaningless” preseason game Thursday.

Joe is starting to like this Dirk Koetter, the offensive coordinator of the Bucs. First thing Joe likes about him is that he is competent. He is possibly the best offensive coordinator the Bucs have had since Chucky.

The second thing Joe likes about Koetter is that he doesn’t mince words, as Joe has pointed out already.

The best one today was something the NFL doesn’t want you to know. It’s the ugly truth about preseason football and Joe is more than happy to hear an offensive coordinator state it for the record.

When Woody Cummings of the Tampa Tribune asked Koetter if there was anything to be gained by playing America’s Quarterback, Bucs signal-caller Jameis Winston, Thursday at Miami, Koetter seemed to be speaking for just about every NFL fan out there that is sick of this nonsense called “preseason football.”

“You get to this preseason game and the hard part is we all get tight about not wanting to get anybody hurt in a meaningless game,” Koetter said. “You want your starters healthy going into that first game. … You don’t want to put guys at risk.”

See? “Meaningless game.” Even high-ranking NFL coaches know these preseason games are a farce. There is no good reason to have preseason games other than putting your valuable investments at risk to break limbs or blow out knees.

Reasonable fans know this, and this just underlines how an 18-game schedule is the smarter way to go. More money for everyone, including more meaningful games, and more real football for right-thinking Americans.

Joe is proud that Koetter has the nads to speak the plain truth, using an NFL forum no less!

31 Responses to “Refreshing Honesty From Koetter”

  1. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Koetter “Evan Smith played well”………I think he’s sending a message that he is our starter….

  2. tmaxcon Says:

    koetter has more passion at the podium than his oline has during games. Warhoop is here why?

  3. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Speaking for Pablo

    “Pablo is usually very leery of amigos named “Biff,Bo, Billy-Bob, Scooter or Skip”….and Dirk could be one of those names. But, Pablo likes Dirk and, as difficult as it is for Pablo….Pablo likes the Buc Realist too”

  4. The Buc Realist Says:

    Jeff Jagodzubsji
    Greg Olson
    Mike Sullivan
    Jeff Tedford
    Marcus Arroyo

    Not exactly murders row of OC is it??? If Koetter is so great, Why did he not get to bring in one of his guys??? Why did Lovie select Koetter’s whole staff??

  5. Newbucsfan Says:

    1st Usually the guys that aren’t the head coach have more passion(stop watching hard knocks) and check out the majority of NFL head coaches.

  6. tmaxcon Says:


    add dungy’s list of OC’s to that list if you really want to scare folks… I am not sold that Koetter can overcome Lovie for a head coach but I like him. I’ll give Koetter credit for having brass balls. it takes big ones to turst Lovie with his career. Not many OC’s survive a year with lovie.

  7. Newbucsfan Says:

    In Chicago lovie had the right o-line coach but no talent and in Tampa he has some talent but the wrong o-line coach. Cullen is a poser and is not getting the most out of the d-line. Have Sapp come around more often this season and see if this sparks him to want to coach next season, then make him the d-line coach. O’DEA is junk too and these bad coaches will get lovie fired if he doesn’t get rid of them.

  8. Newbucsfan Says:

    You all need to stop letting these folks twist you up on Lovie. You guys got the best HC in your division. Quinn in ATL is S!@#, Rivera in Carolina was on the hot seat for 3yrs straight before Cam saved his but twice. Plus he would run Cam up the gut and is half responsible for Cam being beat up. Peyton is good but his team is lousy right now w/ an aging Brees and no defense.

  9. Newbucsfan Says:

    The fact that the bucs won two games last season was amazing and were in all of them except 3. That squad was garbage filled w/ vet FA who were looking for a payday. He has some talent now but needs more and can’t over spend on FA, he needs vet FA that will bust their arse off to stay in the league.

    This team will be built from the draft, they have done a good job in the draft but really they need another draft where they pick in the top 5. But Lovie will have this team pull a winning record out of it’s arse to appease the masses, so I hope the scouts are doing a great job looking for gems.

  10. csidedave Says:

    It will be a major milestone for this organization just to have the guy they hired to be OC actually call a play in the regular season. They will be over the .500 mark!

    Jeff Jagodzinski No
    Greg Olson Yes
    Mike Sullivan Yes
    Jeff Tedford No
    Koetter TBD

    Come on Dirk, please don’t give up yet!

  11. tmaxcon Says:


    lovie was 2-14 with the worst record in football last year. hardly best coach in the division. Peyton has a ring and lovie’s never won anything. lovie had the worst record in the league last year let me say it another way every first year coach had a better record than the legendary lovie last year. he has not won a playoff game in 7 years. Loive is the biggest hurdle that the bucs face all season.

  12. Lakeland Buc Says:

    In my opinion the only decent OC we ever had was Joe Gibbs in 1978. I have watched Dirk Koetter over the years, since he left Arizona State to be the Jags OC. He walked into some good programs with some solid players, and he won his first season with them. But then the bottom always fall out during his second season and afterwards. His first season with the Jags they went 11-5, his second season 5-11. And they haven’t had another winning season since, the same with the Falcons. His first season they went 13-3, his second season they went 4-12. And Mike Smith and Jack Del Rio both got the ax and Koetter always move on to another team. And it’s always a team that have a Head Coach in place, that was a former LB/DC coach . Who knows nothing about offense, maybe he gets Lovie Smith fired. Lovie should have hired Mike Mularkley over Jeff Tedford, we’re talking about a man with over 30 years in the NFL as a player for 11 and TE/OC/Head Coach for another 21 years. And Jeff Tedford had never even been to an NFL game, It’s a known fact that you can’t win in the NFL without good coaches. We have always been known to have a good coaching staff. Sam Wyche gave Mike Mularkley his first coaching job in 1995 as our TE coach, but the Glazers fired Wyche and his entire staff after the season. I’m pulling for Dirk Koetter, but we need to play power football. I can’t see us winning this season with a vertical,passing game, I may be wrong.

  13. Newbucsfan Says:

    Trade Glennon and martin for high draft picks that can be traded down for more picks. Martin will run hard for another big payday then he’ll be that guy last season. Hope that rainey runs well and EDS does anything and trade them too as well as Dotson for picks. Get your ends, nickelback and safety in the draft and a right tackle. get your kr/pr in FA. Then the Bucs will be good legitimately. one more year.

    Run the ball till you can’t do it anymore this season and protect your QB and get big strong and fat maulers for the o-line

  14. tmaxcon Says:


    I’ll assume that your employer does not have a comprehensive drug testing program. please seek help immediately. wow…. I wish you the best help that money can buy you need it….

  15. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    So only allow starters to play in one game. Its all about adding to the roster anyway.

    Personally, I wish we had a minors system like the MLB.

  16. Newbucsfan Says:

    Those that don’t like Lovie can’t change your mind and don’t want to. You want coaches w/ gimmick defenses that manufacture pressure & sacks. Then complain why this end is in zone or this linebacker is doing whatever. Every coach that was hired last year went to teams that had talent or at least one side of the ball done already. the Bucs had GMC, LVD, VJAX and that’s all I kept hearing and reading about and you wonder why the Bucs have been losing so much.

    But patience is a virtue some don’t have, keep trying until you get at some point you’ll hit that number, right?

  17. Newbucsfan Says:

    So keep the muscle hamster lol, want so badly to succeed glennon and every other almost good player. That’s a recipe for success, Belicheat was right for cutting wright but L&L were wrong for trading him??? dude i’m done

  18. Lakeland Buc Says:

    Following the 51–0 loss to Notre Dame in 1966, “I told my team it doesn’t matter. There are 750 million people in China who don’t even know this game was played. The next day, a guy called me from China and asked, ‘What happened, Coach?'”
    Following a game in 1967 in which O. J. Simpson received over 30 hand offs, McKay was asked “Why are you giving the ball to Simpson so often?” He replied, “Why not? It’s not heavy, and he doesn’t belong to a union.”
    On recruiting his son, J.K., to play football at USC: “I had a rather distinct advantage. I slept with his mother.”
    After a series of questionable calls helped Notre Dame tie top-ranked USC in 1968, McKay was asked about the officiating. He answered “I’m not surprised. The referee is a fine Catholic fellow by the name of Patrick Murphy.”
    After the Tampa Bay Buccaneers’ first unofficial game, he responded to a question, “Well, we didn’t block, but we made up for it by not tackling.”
    Standing on the sidelines during a game, McKay said, “Can’t stop a pass, or a run…otherwise we’re in great shape.”
    During a team meeting, McKay told his players that games are won and lost in “the trenches.” He then spotted Howard Fest sleeping in the back. McKay yelled, “FEST FEST, where are games won and lost?” Fest replied, “Right here with the Buccaneers coach.”
    Following a Tampa Bay Buccaneers loss in their early seasons, McKay was asked what he thought of his team’s “execution.” He replied, “I’m all for it.”[27]
    After the Buccaneers won their first regular season game against the New Orleans Saints during the 1977 season 33–14, McKay mused, “Three or four plane crashes and we’re in the playoffs.”
    After receiving harsh criticism from the media about McKay’s coaching skills in the NFL, McKay replies “You guys don’t know the difference between a football and a bunch of bananas.” In the next interview, members of the media left bananas for McKay. He then replied, “You guys don’t know the difference between a football and a Mercedes Benz.”
    “Capece is kaput,” referring to Buccaneers kicker Bill Capece after he missed game-winning field goals in the final game of the 1983 season……….. These coaches should be like John McKay.

  19. Tampa Tony Says:

    Sullivan coordinated a top 10 offense in Schiano’s first year no coordinator since or before Gruden did that. Hopefully we get ATL Koetter and not Blaine Gabbrrt Koetter

  20. J Says:

    When Jameis Flames out and Lovie loses his job I hope Koetter stays

  21. Tobytee Says:

    You know what really upsets me. Is that people like newbucsfan, talk about firing the coach, trading this guy, trading that guy, trading down in the next draft. This is not Madden. I just wish you get your head out your butt. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. But you sir, has no idea what you’re talking about. I know that everybody think they know what’s best for this team but they really don’t understand the dynamics that go behind the clock curtain. And if you really don’t like what Lovie is doing with his team then just find another team just like everybody else! bandwagon fans!

  22. David Says:

    Man..I’m not sold on shorter preseason….those bubble guys probably are not either. Why not 2 preseason games for starters and 2 for backups only? Give those guys a chance to earn a spot.

  23. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    That’s an interesting concept. I like the idea although I might tweak the execution.

    I think the greed that took over American sports a few decades ago has resulted in ALL sports playing too many games period. Not just preseason. And now it’s effected College football as well.

    There are waaay too many hockey games in the regular season, especially when you consider the marathon the Stanley Cup Playoffs represent.

    MLB is the worst. 162 freaking games? Really. Cut it down to June through August.

    This is a burden on fans who are expected to shell out for season tickets for the premium seats…that’s 41 hockey games. The year we won the Stanley Cup my wife and I were exhausted after making ALL those drives to the Forum.

    Play two preseason games and 12 regular games. If that’s not enough perhaps expand the playoffs another round.

  24. Brent Says:

    Please stop writing books some of you. Who has time to read that. Glad lost yer said that its been my feeling all along. Hope we go all 3rd string against Miami. Brutal watching games that don’t count and hoping no injuries.

  25. Brent Says:

    Koetter not lost you?

  26. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Do you not have a scroll wheel? Does you mobile not have a simple way to slide past the longer posts. Can you mind not comprehend more than a couple sentences. If you’re that time challenged learn to use your software.

    It’s pretty arrogant to tell other posters how to post!!! Not only do I write them I enjoy reading them from folks like BucBonzai or tickdr…I shouldn’t have started because there are too many to name.

    BTW if you can’t master the English language enough to write a freaking complete sentence with comprehendable syntax perhaps it’s you who needs to consider his posting style.

  27. Mo_Downs Says:

    Hey Joe,

    Bring back the AD with the girl in the brown sweater, glasses and huge hands.


    I’ve got to see those hands……just one more time.

  28. Buccfan37 Says:

    Lakeland Buc… Enjoyed the wit of John McKay, the man who coached the Bucs through their infancy. Good memories!

  29. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Lovie needs to be more mckay and less exciting and emotional as a woodstump

  30. James Walker Says:

    Just win…..that is all we want.

  31. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Joe’s, When Koetter was talking about a meaningless game he said “you get to THIS preseason game”. Everyone knows the fourth game is meaningless when it comes to what happens week 1. I like hearing the thoughts of our coaches, but to conclude that Koetter thinks ALL preseason games are meaningless because of his quote just isn’t true.