Silly Glazer Talk

April 19th, 2015

Glazers2013Team Glazer owns the Buccaneers, a company worth $1 billion, give or take a few shekels. So absolutely Team Glazer is making decisions on impact draft picks and big-money free agents.

To think otherwise would be pure silliness.

What’s important to remember is that an ownership group rolling with its personnel team’s evaluation is still making a decision.

It’s all a pile of semantics. The Bucs will be drafting players approved by Team Glazer. Period.

In a feature story about Team Glazer and the draft penned by eye-RAH! Kaufman, of The Tampa Tribune, Kaufman takes a long, insightful look at how Team Glazer approaches the roster.

Kaufman even quotes Bucs general manager Jason Licht celebrating his freedom.

“Like Mr. Kraft, the Glazers give us anything we need,’’ Licht said. “Lovie and I often say to each other how lucky we are to work for a team where the owners never tell us who to draft, who to sign and never give us directives on who to cut. Yes, they ask questions, but I don’t think there’s a GM in this league that can do whatever he wants.’’

Joe believes Licht, but at the end of the day, decisions belong to Team Glazer. They’ve also held themselves publicly accountable for all things Bucs — good and bad.

116 Responses to “Silly Glazer Talk”

  1. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    But of course….there are ways to let your management make decisions…..just like an interior decorator…..give them a choice where any choice is OK.

    IE: You guys can pick either QB you wish with your first pick……

    In other words…you must pick a QB.

  2. Barry Says:

    Winston’s a different animal, in this case if Licht or Smith want to draft him then it’s done only with the approval of the Glazers.

    It’s fascinating to think about a GM wanting one guy and the HC/OC/QC/Ownership wanting another. #PowerPlay

    #DP #HGH #PEDs #BrainDeadRetard

  3. Tom Edrington Says:

    What do you say to employees who spent all of last year driving your customers away????

  4. Buc1987 Says:

    Tom…you tell them to go get Winston so atleast FSU-Buc fans will show up to the games and buy merchandise.

    Or you tell them to trade down and watch attendance continue to dwindle worse than last season that I swear was the lowest amount of fans I’ve seen in decades at that stadium…

    The Chosen One is near…

  5. Andrew 1 Says:

    agreed, Glazers have final decision on our number 1 overall pick.

  6. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    @Tom Edrington

    I hate to break it to you, but the customers were leaving long before Lovie and Licht came along.

  7. Buc1987 Says:

    Bonzai…you had season tickets last season right?

    Did you see how empty that stadium looked?

    I mean I have to go back to the early 90’s to remember it being that empty…

  8. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    One of the few businesses you can be a failure and still make a decent profit.
    NFL TV rights package bails out pi$$-poor management. What a franchise!!!

  9. Mike10 Says:

    I’m not an expert on how to run a team. But based upon the extremes that exist with the types of NFL owners, I imagine that like a business micro managing is the devil. You pay ppl to be experts in their respective field. The recent success of the Cowboys is in spite of Jerry Jones as managemt forced him out of the draft room. He wanted manziel and never wanted offensive lineman 2 years in a row in the first.

    If this is in fact the case and L+L have the keys to the kingdom w personnel, then they must be accountable for putting together a team that now has the top pick in the draft.

  10. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Speaking for Pablo

    “Pablo can guarantee the Glazer’s make the decision. Pablo was looking for a few extra bucks to buy some tickets….so Pablo brought his paint brush to OBP and told the lady… could use a little touchup…..she said ask that man right there…and it was a Glazer….I’m sure (kind-of ugly)…..the man reached in his pocket, gave Pablo a couple of tickets and said paint away…..he frowned when Pablo told him Pablo’d rather have cash”

  11. BlogTalkFootball Says:

    Wonder if RayJay will start selling crab legs when Winston is drafted?

  12. WyomingBucsFan Says:

    I’m starting to think the Bucs will pass on Winston, unfortunately. Too much of a risk with the off the field stuff. i think they plan to trade down alittle and take the safer QB.

  13. WyomingBucsFan Says:


  14. Newbucsfan!!! Says:

    I don’t believe the Bucs will select Winston anymore and now I don’t care. L&L don’t care about my opinion and this league is in an era of (I don’t even have the word/words to describe it). I wish Winston well in whatever round and team he goes too and I don’t wish L&L or the Bucs ill either. I’ll watch the team that Winston goes too and may even but the jersy as along as its not the jets,titans,browns,jags,bengals, or packers.

  15. I know why Says:

    Well gee whiz mr licht, must be so fun to destroy and destruct a roster and not have the owners meddle in your historically horrible season. 2-14, worst record in over 25 years. Spent millions upon millions on guys you cut a year later. Oh and shucks mr licht, you cut or traded away over 10+ players that were good enough to START for the other 31 teams. You are soooo fortunate. Sadly, we as fans have to put up with it. Penn, Jospeh, Larsen, Wright, Zuttah, Casillas, Barron, Carimi, Revis, Barth, etc, etc. now add foster, Clayborn Goldston to that list. Unreal…

  16. Newbucsfan!!! Says:

    I didn’t want my previous post to be like 17 paragraphs so i’ll finish here.

    I don’t like how this kid (WINSTON) is being jerked around and would hope that he doesn’t throw for anymore teams. Congratulations JAMIES for making it this far There’s probably no way he would get the full 25 million garunteed anyway so he’s essenially looking for his 2nd contract. If I were him going much later wouldn’t be such a bad thing, it would be a shorter contract and you could pull a revis. Bank on yourself and get the mega-contract in 2 or 3 years.

  17. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    The rookie QB is going to cost the franchise 20 million bucks. You better believe the Glazers have used some of their input to “influence” if not dictate the decision on that #1 pick.

  18. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Speaking for Pablo

    “Pablo has no chihuahua in the debate between Winston and Mariota….Pablo is just hoping the Bucs finally draft someone who’s name ends in a Z”

  19. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Man this site is boring when WINSton’s image isn’t located at the top of the page.

  20. Newbucsfan!!! Says:

    Bucs fans I know that Lovie is a good coach and he’ll have the Bucs humming in no time. Besides I haven’t heard this much noise about the Bucs since he’s been there. Mariota probably won’t be the QB Winston will be but he’ll be good enough playing for Lovie. Mariota for that matter won’t be the pick either and Glennon could be the QB next season. The defense is what’s important for Lovie and the Bucs right now but WINSTON would’ve been nice.

  21. ruggyup Says:

    Most successfull business CEOs/Owners do select their executives and top managers to run their business. They monitor perfomance on a daily, if not, hourly basis. When agreed upon accomplishments fall short the CEO/Owner cuts the deals short, points to the exit sign and there goes Mr. Senior Executive any time, any place without a blink. OK, the Glazers are fine folks but they seem reluctant to demonstrate the accountability they profess to have publicly but fail to show. Accountable? Make the hard management decisions swiftly and decisively. Show me.

  22. ATrain Says:

    Joes Draft party should have all you can eat crab legs

    BB gun fights

    And all lawyers drink free.

    87 aka (Winston) should stop by since he won’t be in Chicago because his daddy won’t let him

  23. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    Well then……it will NOT be Jameis Winston !

  24. mike m Says:

    Hey newbuc help me out im confused, one minute your saying they wont draft Winston, and next you say he will be the QB not Mariota. Dont get caught up in all the last minute rumors and reports, its been decided a while ago, they are just going to keep quiet and play along with whatever rumor is flying that day.

  25. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    Agree…..however, 2-14 will lose you some autonomy…

  26. Rrsrq Says:

    My confidence in Winston being the pick ism waning, I hope I’m wrong though

  27. Mike10 Says:

    Anyone posting on a Sunday on a blog of a team that hasn’t won a playoff game in over a decade and is coming off a season where they were the worst team in pro football… Is definitely a fan

  28. ATrain Says:

    Winston is so bad Freddy Kruger has nightmares about Winston in his dreams

  29. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    What Mike 10 just said!!!!

  30. Dave Pear Says:

    Great observation. I hadn’t really thought of that before.
    But so true. Buc diehards are here. Agree or disagree about whom to pick in the draft, but all Buc fans.

  31. ATrain Says:

    There will not be one sack on our QB next year.

    No one will dare to touch The 11th Wonder of the World

  32. UF Alum that loves the Bucs Says:

    OK…Im back from camping. Caught a bunch of Rainbows and Browns, saw a plethora of Wildlife. Awesome time. What did I miss in the Winston/Mariota argument.?

  33. BuccaneEric Says:

    I love everybodys passion about the Bucs on this site! I’m 39 and have been a fan since about 1985 or 86. Going through all of the losing seasons really made winning the Super Bowl so much sweeter than if we always had a good team. I never they would ever do it and I think I had tears in my eyes when Brooks made his INT!!! I just have the hope that we are just going through the tough times and history will repeat itself!! GO BUCS!!!

  34. Andrew 1 Says:

    We are talking about the face of the Glazer’s franchise here, if ownership had a problem with taking Winston, then you can bet he wouldn’t be the pick, whether Lovie or Licht feels like its the best decision or not. But as it stands it doesn’t seem like they have a problem with it so I don’t think there’s anything stopping L&L from making him the pick.

  35. Martinii Says:

    I’m so over this offseason. It’s rapidly approaching the surreal. Need to get this draft behind us, grab a few UDFA’s, practice in shorts, go to camp in July, maybe hit on a player dropped in in August and move on to the season.. This has been the biggest BS offseason in years. Everyone an expert in a room full of fools. Many need to just get a life……and by the way, Winston will be your QB for all you nervous nelly’s.

  36. Dave Pear Says:

    “Everyone an expert in a room full of fools.”
    Then you brazenly anoint Winston as our first pick.
    Just saying.

  37. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ UF alum the loves the Bucs

    Speaking for Pablo

    “Pablo won’t go camping…especially in Montana. Pablo has very bad dreams about camping….like returning with chigger bites on his cajones…and once had a used c0mdom hanging out of Pablo’s a$$…..Pablo heard “Deliverance” music coming from a Spanish guitar…..No camping for Pablo”

  38. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Martinii

    Yep….everyone is a bunch of idiots….must make you feel pretty good to know you’re the smartest one in the room…..except for Dave Pear…of course!!!

  39. Uranus Johnson Says:

    Winston’s chances at both success and staying out of trouble would be greatly improved if he were to end up in a place like Buffalo or Cleveland. The LAST place that this guy needs to be is in Tampa where due to his college days at FSU he will be surrounded by hangers on and bad seeds. The absolutely safest thing for the Bucs to do would be to trade the pick but this franchise is determined to not only bottom out but start drilling to new depths. Picking Winston is going to be a public relations problem with many who really could care less whether the dude wore garnet and gold because no matter what the defenders say, he has an image problem and is a poor face of the franchise as well as a toxic role model for kids.

  40. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    Oh…no… started it…..look out for a barrage from the “wagon circlers”

    Nobody cares about bad character…..bad pr…..only winning….haven’t you heard?

  41. Bucfan4life Says:

    Hey NewBucs don’t sweat it. Pretty sure Lovie wouldn’t have been out fraternizing with Winston at Alstotts charity event last week if he wasn’t he pick. All the vetting was completed a while back and the Bucs have done nothing to say they aren’t taking him. In fact all of their actions and statements point towards him being the pick.

    If he does not get taken first overall he will be taken shortly there after. Lol he will not be falling out of the first round.

  42. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    Think about it like this…if the G’Boyz had signed Chip Kelly we’d be drafting Marcus Mariota…..

  43. Uranus Johnson Says:

    Depending how you look at it, the furious race towards the end of the cliff can be the final revenge of Tony Dungy. Were it not for the reverence for the hallowed one then Bucs fans never would have gotten stuck with a schmuck and loser like Lovie Smith in the first place. Hey! He used to be on Dungy’s staff so despite his lousy record as a head coach he has the map back to the promised land.

    This is a looming disaster that none of these morons can even comprehend yet. If I am Dirk Koetter I am looking at having the first pick in every round and trying to lobby to get solid players for when he takes over the reigns after Lovie and Licht are sent packing once Winston implodes.

    The chances of TB having the top pick in NEXT year’s draft are looking pretty good and once the idiots have been sent packing perhaps the new regime can do some serious analysis. Lovie and company were duped by the FSU lobby months ago.

    And lastly, for all of the Winston cheerleaders can you please tell us who the last great NFL success at QB was who came out of Tallahassee?

  44. Uranus Johnson Says:

    Yes, the most successful Florida State University QB to have a good career in the pros was Charlie Ward. Too bad it was in the NBA.

    And none of these cheerleaders bother to consider that Famous Jameis could just say screw the Bucs and take his act to pro baseball either.


  45. Uranus Johnson Says:

    The Eagles are ready to sign Tebow, while he is erratic throwing the ball the dude is a top notch role modle.

  46. port richey george Says:

    Wisniewski signed with Jacksonville jags. I don’t get it. the bucs let incognito and Wisniewski get away. I guess the bucs QB will be running for his life in back of the bucs o-line. the running backs won’t have any holes to run through. lovie can praise the o-line all he wants. they are the worst in the NFL.

  47. UF Alum that loves the Bucs Says:

    BuccaneEric Says:
    April 19th, 2015 at 4:49 pm
    I love everybodys passion about the Bucs on this site! I’m 39 and have been a fan since about 1985 or 86. Going through all of the losing seasons really made winning the Super Bowl so much sweeter than if we always had a good team. I never they would ever do it and I think I had tears in my eyes when Brooks made his INT!!! I just have the hope that we are just going through the tough times and history will repeat itself!! GO BUCS!!!
    Nice to see you again BuccaneEric.

  48. BoltIsle Says:

    Brad Johnson at least won a Super Bowl.

    What Oregon QB has been great in the NFL in the last 15 years?

  49. UF Alum that loves the Bucs Says:

    Literal LOL Pablo. That was a nice one.

  50. Buccfan37 Says:

    The Eagles did sign Tebow. Kelly must of liked his style of play.

  51. BuccaneEric Says:

    Thanks UF, I started thinking earlier… If we do draft Jameis we will be the most hated team in sports. Right now the only fans who could possibly hate us are Raiders and Eagles fans. With Winston, all non-Buc fans will hope we lose every game. I don’t know how I feel about that but I guess it must be like what a Yankee fan feels.

  52. BuccaneEric Says:

    Oh yea , I live in PA so I guess if the Steelers fans give me crap about Winstons allegations I could just point to the Roethlisburger jersey they will be wearing!! lol

  53. Buc1987 Says:

    Tampabaybucfan Says:
    April 19th, 2015 at 5:41 pm


    Oh…no… started it…..look out for a barrage from the “wagon circlers”

    Nobody cares about bad character…..bad pr…..only winning….haven’t you heard?”

    I’m not responding to anuses for the next 10 days TBBF. Not any of them and you can hold me to it too.

  54. Buc1987 Says:

    Jameis is coming in 11 days.

    Deal with it!

  55. UF Alum that loves the Bucs Says:

    gat-r-buc is going to have a Big Smile on his face on Draft Day

  56. WS99 Says:

    Man I bet Tebow is going to kill it under chip kelly. I love how crazy kelly is, I mean who trades away Djackson and lmccoy? The guys got balls. Why can’t why have a head coach like chip kelly? Oh yea cuz our owners are idiots who hiring Raheem Morris and lovie smith instead, in the hope we can look like dungy is still our coach. Scared money don’t make money. Are they even making money (on their own) or is daddy still flipping the bill?

    Nothing worse than spoiled rich dumb kids. See Paris hilton.

  57. gotbbucs Says:

    Its the absolute dream scenario for the Glazers. The best QB in the draft is sitting in their back yard and they have the #1 pick. There is no way that they aren’t getting daily updates on what is going on right now.

  58. UF Alum that loves the Bucs Says:

    Hey TBBF…..tell Pablo that there are no worries. I carry a .44 everywhere we go in the woods but I also carry Bear spray that I use first. Pablo can see some bears and never have to see one die.

  59. buccos Says:

    Mariota is the pick. Deal with it! Better athlete, better player, better person. Winston takes every other category.

  60. BlockedFan Says:


  61. Buc1987 Says:

    All the new names just keep popping up daily Joe….you must be getting a lot of traffic…and new posters.

    or fans are changing their names left and right nowadays..

    I’ll go with the latter.

  62. ATrain Says:

    87 aka Winston is frustrated he can’t tell you who he is and that he already knows he is coming to Tampa. See it in his post.

    His people told him to stay off social media.

  63. Buc1987 Says:

    Atrain… correct I’ll actually be there on the 1st.

  64. WS99 Says:

    I once saw a show or movie where they were discussing the draft process. The coach was asked how he picks a qb and he said that he looks for whoever has the hottest girlfriend. Just saying have you seen ms. Jaboo?

  65. BuccaneEric Says:

    87, I can assure you that I am a new poster! Not a new “Poser” or ” im-poster!! Lol

  66. A Gator that loves the Bucs Says:

    What up DB!? How was your weekend?

  67. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    Somehow its hard for me to believe you can resist defending you Jameis….but we’ll see.

    New evidence uncovered… is the problem….we just don’t know what we don’t yet know…..

  68. A Gator that loves the Bucs Says:

    Hey TBBF, do you think we go OL or DE in rd two.

  69. Mike Duggan Says:

    Actually, we had some games with 35,000 back in the 80’s, didn’t matter I still went. The Tampa Bay Bandits were drawing more. We will turn it around. Go Bucs!

  70. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Speaking for Pablo

    “Pablo knows that if you need Bear spray and a .44 in order to go camping…Pablo says no to camping. Pablo has layed with scorpions and rattlesnakes near the Arizona border….swam rivers….climbed fences….ran from Border Patrol and had breakfast on a metal tray at Sherriff Arpiao’s motel….so Pablo is a fearless stud…but Pablo ain’t no fool…he ain’t camping anywhere close to a bunch of horny Montana homos”

  71. Buc1987 Says:

    TBBF…there’s been more than enough people besides the Bucs trying to find anything else they can find on this kid. More than enough. I don’t foresee anything new coming along in the next 10 days.

    Hell one of the most hated players in college football history. I’m sure he’s been overly investigated by just about everyone including even former FBI agents and every form of P.I. imaginable and that’s just over the past 2 years. Let alone the last 2 months…

  72. Buc1987 Says:

    Ha ha ha ha Pablo a Brokeback Mountain reference. lol

  73. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @A gator that loves the Bucs

    I have no earthly idea what our 2nd round pick will be…..and that’s because the Bucs don’t know at this point either….and that’s a good thing because neither does anyone else.
    But…if I were guessing….I think the acquisition of George Johnson means we could pull the trigger on Oline in the 2nd and maybe 3rd also…..just a guess…..

    But…if there is a really good WR or LB…we could surprise and go there…..

  74. A Gator that loves the Bucs Says:

    Damnit……have to go to bed early……Later Bucs fans

  75. WalkdaPlank Says:

    I’ll say again, the only true problem I have at this point with taking Jameis is that Joe’s site will be like this for a long time.

    There are risks in picking Jameis, as there would be with anybody. Some treat him like a god who cannot do anything wrong ever, and others condemn him for simply using a bad brand of toothpaste I’m sure. And that’s how this site will remain.

    If the Bucs lose (which is a big possibility considering Peyton Manning would’ve sucked on this team last season), then the Winston apologists will search for their inner Freemanite and play Wheel of Excuses for Winston, because he can do no wrong. And the haters will blame everything on him, from a missed field goal to conservative playcalling.

    And if the Bucs hopefully start winning, the Winston apologists will play “I told you so” and the haters will give credit to someone else. From this point forward, EVERYTHING on this site is going to revolve around Winston, when it should revolve around the BUCS, who are not just one QB away from being contenders, we’ve got a long road ahead of us.

    But it starts with a QB.

  76. T-BAY FAN 4 LIFE Says:

    We don’t want Winston as the face of the franchise plain and simple. He will never make it in the NFL and he is a terrible role model. WINSTON SUCKS

  77. WS99 Says:

    Later bro. Had a honeydew weekend.

  78. Buc1987 Says:

    @Joe…what’s your take percentage-wise that the Bucs are taking Jameis? Any guesses?

    I know that your friend on the radio has said that it’s a 95% shot it’s going to be Jameis….

    Hey LOOK a new name…golly gee.

  79. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    I hope you’re wrong about JBF continuing to be a “Winston” dominated site…but Joe has brought some of this on with his daily lobbying for Winston….pretty hard to avoid the subject. And, you’re right….a good team usually always has a good QB….we are a bad team…and even with a good QB…it will take some time.

    I just hope all will realize that when we have a rookie QB that struggles…it is a NFL fact of life…and a “Bucs Life”

  80. Buc1987 Says:

    WS99 Says:
    April 19th, 2015 at 9:39 pm

    “Later bro. Had a honeydew weekend.”

    lol I’ve had a honeydew 2 weeks with the wife breaking her foot.

    Putting kids to bed.
    Making beds
    Get me this, get me that.
    Cooking dinner (I do that anyways, wife’s cooking sucks)
    Picking kids up at school.
    On and on it goes…

    The I have my actual job to do as well.
    Pure hell I’m telling ya, pure hell.

    Then of course I have my blog duties to tend too. 🙂

  81. Buc1987 Says:

    It’s enough to make a grown man cry!

  82. WS99 Says:

    Trimmed two trees, knocked out the lawn and washed both cars all while on daddy duty. Then it rained. It’s a bucs life.

  83. Buc1987 Says:

    Walk …excellent post btw…I hear ya.

  84. WS99 Says:

    Waiting for moderation….?????

  85. WalkdaPlank Says:


    I hope I’m wrong too, and I don’t expect too much out of Winston year 1. This team has more holes than swiss cheese, including the O-line that will be in charge of protecting Jameis. I expect a lot of pressured INT’s as Warren Sapp would say that if the D-line is good “all the DB’s have to do is play centerfield”. I also expect a lot of TD’s and big plays though as Jameis will be throwing to 6’5″ receivers, very good ones in Evans and VJax.

  86. SuperSam Says:

    Great article and a new wrinkle in the Winston case.

  87. Buc1987 Says:

    Sam…I already read that Super slanted article. I stopped and nearly vomited when the writer said the NFL pretty much owes respect to Erica Kinsman…

    Never taking into account that her story changed 6 times and he’s been cleared numerous times…

    Nice try though.

    Jameis is STILL the pick.

  88. Buc1987 Says:

    “The article states that Ms. Kinsman’s defense team has ascertained new evidence”

    She has a “defense team” yet she’s the one doing the suing? Whatever.

    “As we watched Janae Rice tearfully blame herself for the actions of Ray Rice, we saw first hand how much the league cares about the victims of domestic violence; we can’t let Ms. Kinsman be the next victim to fall silent in the shadows of the great National Football League and it’s players.”

    That’s what I’m talking about right there. The writer states that she’s a victim….HOGWASH!

  89. SuperSam Says:

    “The complaint adds a new wrinkle to this story: “Darby also entered the room but told Winston, ‘Dude, she is telling you to stop,’” it reads. In response, Kinsman says, “Winston picked her up in a fireman’s carry, walked her into his bathroom, deposited her onto the hard floor, and locked the door.” Kinsman says that Darby then left. For the first time ever, we learn that “the next day, [Darby] posted to his Facebook page ‘I feel the worst I almost felt in my life Smh #stupid.’” Darby was never interviewed by the TPD. […] Kinsman reported the assault to the TPD with a couple of hours, the officer noting then that Kinsman “was having a hard time remembering what exactly happen [sic] and in what order they happen [sic].”

    An hour later at the hospital, while getting a rape kit done, she told a TPD officer that Winston removed her clothes, raped her in the bedroom, was interrupted by “possibly the suspect’s roommate” who told him to stop, and was then taken to the bathroom where Winston continued the assault. Later that same day, she went to the police station where she once again told her story to the TPD, both in a handwritten statement and verbally to a detective.”

    – Jessica Luther, Vice Sports

  90. BUC IT Says:

    I just think that a lot of people who want the bucs to select Jameis are biased FSU fans. I think both Winston and Mariota are most likely going to be great qb’s but considering the lawsuit and all the issues…the safe pick is Mariota. Mariota is extremely fast and accurate with good size. He is smart too. He will learn the new system. Speed will help cover up his mental mistakes early on. You got to overlook your FSU ties and realize Mariota is the best option for us considering all of Winston’s drama.

  91. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ 87

    There you go….your pledge to me didn’t last an hour……I think you owe me a jersey.

  92. Buc1987 Says:

    That dude’s article is so flawed and if he wasn’t selected by ANY team at all. I’d be busting out my lawyer left and right to get paid millions for such slander. That’s not opinion, that’s slander.

    So she’s “the next victim” huh?

    Whatever…bring on this second girl that was so traumatized by her encounter with Jameis. So far all we’ve heard about this other girl is that Erica Kinsman lawyers say there is one…

    Why in ef do I even bother anymore?

    TBBF they got me man. That didn’t take long. I forgot how many silly fans we have out there and writers, that can’t just talk about football and save this crap for TMZ.

  93. SuperSam Says:

    For the first time ever, we learn that “the next day, [Darby] posted to his Facebook page ‘I feel the worst I almost felt in my life Smh #stupid.’”

  94. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Fasten your seatbelts….get ready for the onslaught….it will be unmerciful and brutal….and If Jameis is the winner all are saying…it may even be worse….not from Buc fans…but from everyone else….the NFL and opposing fans will absolutely hate him.
    The only thing that will chance that is Winston’s long-term good behavior…and it could take a while for the benefits to be felt.
    This is simply a fact in the new NFL and the media world we now live in.
    EK….right or wrong is painted as a victim and Jameis is guilty in the eyes of much of the public.
    The civil trial will bring out very, very ugly accusations…graphic and salacious….just what the media loves!!!

  95. Buc1987 Says:

    Okay now I’m REALLY going to try very hard TBBF….I WILL talk about football from now on and football only. No need to pay attention to these clowns, when Winston’s the pick anyways. Besides the closer we get to the draft they’re going to ramp up their nonsense, and we’ll get more and more “new names” on here left and right going on the attack. I just need to take a deep breath and sip my Devils Cut and just chill.

    I CAN do this TBBF…

  96. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    You can go ahead…..but, I don’t think you understand….you will forever be defending Winston….the job for you will never end. He (unfortunately) is a marked man.
    Don’t fall into this trap….defend him until he is drafted then…all of you Winston supporters….here me out……QUIT…..yes Quit defending him and the attacks will subside….IGNORE them….and they will eventually fall on deaf ears.

  97. Buc1987 Says:

    TBBF..I’m fully aware of all of that. They might settle out of court, but right now it doesn’t look like it. Perhaps the Glazers might be a little persuasive on that front, but as far as Winston’s lawyer goes. He says Jameis wants to clear his name with this suit. I really don’t think he can clear it anyways, because like you said public opinion and all. So if it was me, I’d take the thing to court and roll the dice anyways, and would counter sue with defamation charges and slander. Still I don’t think the thing will even BE tried in court to begin with. I think the case will be thrown out….leaving no justice for either side.

    Notice I’m only talking to you about this…you’re not an ass clown like the trolls.

  98. Buc1987 Says:

    TBBF..oh yah. I already touched on this subject months ago. About having to constantly defend him….to fans of OTHER teams. Saying it’s going to suck hearing them call him names in our stands and having to fight back with them, but NOT our own fans.

    This is defend Freeman against our own fans all over again like WalkDaPlank said.

    Perhaps I should seek counsel in a Steelers blog….

  99. SuperSam Says:

    The only positive that will come IF we draft Winston will be watching him fail, and saying I TOLD YOU SO. Bonus also seeing Lovie/Licht get fired to, was never thrilled with either one of those hires.

  100. Andrew 1 Says:

    There’s no point in defending what you don’t have control over anyways. Whatever happens concerning Winston is going to happen. If he stays out of trouble his reputation will get better, if he doesn’t it wont. No one else has control of over that except Winston, so let him worry about that. Just wish fans would stick to football and let all that other crap take care of itself, but that has yet to happen.

  101. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    No way there is a counter suit…..very, very hard to proove slander/liable….has to be intentional malice….and in a he-said-she-said battle….no real proof on either side. The video may have exonerated him..but it was destroyed.
    I don’t think Winston will settle and there is little chance a civil case is going to get thrown out……preponderance of evidence (51%) can be a very low bar to reach in a civil trial.
    It will get nasty and there isn’t much that can really be done about it unless it settles.

    As far as defending Winston…If he is a good person and that becomes evident as time goes by…there will be many that will come to the rescue…including me. He will be OUR player….a Buccaneer…..don’t mess with one of my Bucs!!!

  102. Buc1987 Says:

    Then again Big Ben was already playing for the Steelers at the time and he had Steelers fans on his side. This is a whole different animal.

  103. Buc1987 Says:

    TBBF…I’m saying the civil suit is defamation of character, not the he said she said. Oh well. We’ll see how it plays out.

    I know it won’t be easy dealing with fans of other teams, but I EXPECT fans of our team to support him and stop the nonsense rape comments once he becomes our QB. Perhaps I’m asking too much from our idiot fanbase. I went through the Freeman debates and this is might be worse.

  104. Buc1987 Says:

    SuperSam…you’re a grrrrreat fan. We need 10,000 more of you.

  105. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    Another reason not to counter-sue is that it keeps the issue alive and public…..everybody but EK wants this to go away. You have to be a bit concerned with her tenacity and resiliance…..and, she apparantly has a team of lawyers willing to bank on a contingency.
    I may be in the minority…but I think her Title 9 suit against FSU may be her best bet for a payday….because she doesn’t have to proove she was assaulted…just that they didn’t follow proper proceedure…..

  106. Buc1987 Says:

    To tell you the truth if the Bucs draft Winston and this turns into another defend Freeman situation, where I have to do it every day. I’ll tell Joe to ban me from the site. That’s what it will take for me to stay away. Just ban me Joe if that happens. I’m not going through this again…

  107. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Buc1987

    LMAOL!!! you need to lower you’re expectations of bucs fans then, cause there is going to be plenty of hate towards him coming from our own fanbase. All you need to do is scroll up just a little to that sam guy saying how he cant wait to see him fail and we haven’t even drafted him yet. The only thing you can really do is just ignore those guys cause if you try to set them straight not only will it be in vain but it will be like a second job.

  108. Buc1987 Says:

    You’re right Andrew, but I don’t think Steelers fans fight about Big Ben or call him a rapist on a daily basis. I guess it’s just our idiot fan base. I would NEVER root for any of our players to fail and I’m sure the same can be said about many fans of other teams as well. Just our fanbase. Blooming idiots.

  109. Andrew 1 Says:

    The beautiful thing is that if you got full confidence in Winston, then all you have to do is let his play do the talking for you. They’ll shut up once he proves how right you were about him. Until then just kick you’re feet up.

  110. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Goodnight all…

    It’s now 11:27pm….do you know where your future franchise QB is?

    FYI…it’s 5:27pm in Hawaii….

  111. Buc1987 Says:

    Ahhhh okay man. I try, I really do try.

    10 more days to go…

    Good night, thanks Andrew and TBBF for calming my blood pressure down.

    Things have been stressful around my house…and I bring it to


  112. Andrew 1 Says:

    The question is do I care where my future franchise QB is? lol I kid TBBF
    and good night everyone.

  113. Hawk Says:

    Tampabaybucfan Said:
    “I just hope all will realize that when we have a rookie QB that struggles…it is a NFL fact of life…and a “Bucs Life””

    I don’t know, TBBF, we have a third round QB who has started (approx) one season of games, and the fan base doesn’t seem to accept your premise. Why would they allow for a ‘first-pick-of-the-draft’ QB to get away with the same?

    It seems to me, that if the Bucs were ‘all in’ on Winston, they would be in negotiations, so that he would be signed before the draft. *IF* they are ‘all in’, there is NO reason to wait for the draft to get ‘er done.
    I am just afraid that they are looking for an ‘out’ that has yet to appear on their doorstep.

  114. MadMax Says:

    Look, we’re the Bucs! Even if Winston wasnt going to be a controversial pick, he would still be there as the best QB ahead of Mariota and we’d still be sitting with the #1 pick. But as Buc bad luck goes, it just cant be any other way. We’re taking him, and more importantly he wants to play for us! If we dont, we’re going to regret it.

    Ive been watching drafts for years now and know what Im talking about. While its very hard to predict busts, Ive been pretty good at identifying them lately, and Jamies is no bust!

  115. White Tiger Says:

    Why, don’t you know…the “system” made Brad Johnson great…

    You only have to match the right system, to the right personnel, and then the right QB…and viola, lightning in a bottle, twice!

    …and all from FSU, no less!

    Well, unless the “appetites” of the franchise’s leader, doesn’t get in the way of the on-field purpose of the franchise.

    Lets hope the FSU player you all covet, is the best selection for OUR team…

    …and the Glazers.

  116. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    No way the Glazers allow Jameis Winston as the pick……..