One Buc Palace Not Moved By Suit Vs. Winston

April 17th, 2015

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Yesterday, the legal version of tax day came, the civil lawsuit against Jameis Winston by the same woman from the same alleged incident that Winston has been cleared of by four investigations and hearings.

Anyone who didn’t see this coming literally had his head in the sand or was living under a rock for the past two years.

The Bucs, who have done far more investigation into the background of Winston than Joe, or you, or the drunk in the bar, are unmoved by the civil suit, Twittered Woody Cummings of the The Tampa Tribune.

Remember that Bucs co-chairman Joel Glazer told Joe at the NFL owners meetings he was comfortable with Winston playing for Tampa Bay.

Again, Team Glazer has the background investigation report on Winston, and met with Winston. Clearly, the Bucs expected the civil suit; the team of lawyers representing the woman all but promised it was coming. The only question was, when?

It sure smells like the timing was an effort to sabotage Winston’s chances of being drafted No. 1 overall. Joe would think the legal team representing the woman would want Winston to be drafted as high as possible so he earns as much cash as possible — more to grab if she finds a friendly jury.

Joe is still waiting for the moral outrage directed at Titans quarterback Zach Mettenberger, who actually plead guilty to sexual assault before he was drafted last year.

171 Responses to “One Buc Palace Not Moved By Suit Vs. Winston”

  1. Waterboy Says:

    How can someone sue another person for something that there wasn’t enough evidence to take too trial in the first place? Considering the timing if I were him I’d file a countersuit for defamation and to acquire any loss money if my draft status was affected.

  2. Barry Says:

    Haha #WhatEver

    #DP #HGH #PEDs #BrainDeadRetard

  3. Phil Says:

    The women who filed the suit is nothing but a gold digger. Hope she loses her lawsuit and goes and climbs back under the rock she came from.

  4. G Says:

    @Wayerboy: Unfortunately the same way OJ can be sued by the Goldman’s after being found not guilty.

  5. Barry Says:

    What if these women are telling the truth?

    I counted up to 9 Red Flags Winston had at FSU. All smoothed over by FSU.

    And you people are judging the character of a young woman who says she was raped? And give Winston a pass because you want him as your QB? #Disgraceful
    #PatheticHumanBeings #Shameful #AndOJwasInnocent

  6. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Correct if me if I’m wrong,but does she receive any proceeds from the”hunting ground documentary “? If so,which I’m sure she has how in the hell do these people feel like they are about to squeeze anything out this young man. It my belief they know they won’t get a dime that it’s why this absurd law suit was filed before he signed. A blatant attempt to foul up his draft spot. Nice try,won’t work them folks over at OBP I’m sure are brighter than that. And oh by the way,I still wanna BET. Put some cash up anyone.

  7. Bucnut2 Says:

    It’s not affectign theirr plans because the Bucs were never goign to draft him to begin with. This has been smoke all along. The second women makes this very tough the Bucs. Its no longer he said-she said. The Glazers don’t want women’s groups picketing RJ which is exactly what will happen if they draft him.

  8. Miamibucsfan Says:

    It “will have no effect on their draft plans” because they’ve been planning to pick Mariota all along.

  9. Dreambig Says:

    It will be interesting to see how the NFL front office looks at this. The timing from Eric’s team was well calculated for the most dramatic impact.

  10. Buccfan305 Says:

    @ waterboy
    I totally agree

    @ G Lmfao

  11. Buccfan305 Says:

    @ waterboy
    I totally agree

    @ G Lmfao

    Wecome to America!!

  12. jh Says:

    …because they are already decided on Mariota.

  13. Dreambig Says:

    Depending on how ugly this gets, the Bucs have never announced their intentions, they could be planning to draft Winston, ownership and the NFL front office get spooked by the media, the Bucs switch to Mariota and say this didn’t impact their plans, because this is where they were going all along.

  14. Mariota Joe Says:

    JBF, please quit pouting that “well, HE did it too!!!” Wah wah wah…first of all the two situations are completely UNRELATED (and the charges against JW are far more serious), and secondly, Zach pled his case…..are you suggesting that Jameis should also, so the moral outrage gets equivalency??

    And OF COURSE Joel Glazer is going to say that the suite won’t affect the Bucs’s draft plans. And he’ll say the same damn thing when the second lawsuit is filed. What do you THINK he’s going to say? “Oh, yeah, well, now we’re not drafting JW”…….

    The train wreck has already begun…..hop off this train before you’re involved in the certain mayhem that is about to ensue.

  15. cigarfan Says:

    Winston is a guilty low class, stealing, lying POS THUG who was given cover by the FSU and the town all due to his ability to win football games.
    If this is the type of POS you Tampa fans want as the face of your city, then you have no honor and you all are no better of a low class POS than Winston is.

  16. Dreambig Says:

    I don’t think this is a done deal by any means. Events happen, political winds change, and corporations will react to those events in a way they feel are in their best interests. I suspect over at OBP there have been meetings to discuss the impact. Had her legal team waited until after the draft, the impact would have been much less.

  17. tval Says:

    Cigarfan must be remedial.

  18. tval Says:

    someone telling the truth doesn’t need 8 versions of a story. racism is ugly

  19. tval Says:

    Silly, dreambig..shes an opportunistic liar..nobody other than questionable characters believe her anymore..thats what makes their criticism of jameis so adorable..:)..true conspiracy theorists..part of me wants jameis to destroy her in court, the other part understands if his team says it isnt worth 2 more years of his life when idiots made up their minds long ago, regardless of evidence

  20. DWE Says:

    Beyond a reasonable doubt is a hell of a lot tougher than a preponderance of the evidence. No comparison

  21. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    The problem with this suit is that it’s obvious the accuser isn’t going away…..she will absolutely testify and may have some evidence we don’t know about. I doubt Winston will settle the case, so it’s going to trial.
    Some of the evidence could be really ugly and even in a “he said, she said” case….many will believe the accuser even if she didn’t win.
    Bucs and Buc fans will constantly have to defend Winston to the general public and to many of their own fans….it is a PR nightmare at the very least.
    The still may draft Winston…but the risks are huge.
    He will have to live the life of a monk in order to avoid future accusations.

  22. Dreambig Says:

    Cigarfan – Lets at least attempt to have an intelligent dialog here. You do realize when this first went down, Winston was not a starting player, right? He had never played a game for FSU, Manuel was the starting QB. Yet the members of the police department and the University were so corrupt that they all covered it up for a young man who may someday earn the starting job. Does that even make any sense? Then the next year after he was starting and winning the State Attorney got involved, and he was corrupt as well or was he just incompetant? Then the retired supreme court judge, also corrupt? Wow, that is quite the chain of incompetance and corruption. All those careers at stake all for 19-20 year old Jameis Winston. Man that kid has some power!

  23. twizzylax Says:


    Only he cannot be deemed guilty… since he was never even charged by either the police, the State Attorney’s Office, or a former Supreme Court Justice. But, by all means, go ahead and keep ignoring the facts and the evidence simply because you don’t like the kid.

  24. Dreambig Says:

    TBBF – There is no doubt you are 100% correct, at least in the short term.
    After a bit of time passes and the law suit plays out, noise will die down. But just as people still bring up the Big Ben issue, this will never go away. The Bucs will have to be pretty sold on him to draft him because that is the baggage that comes with it. But that has always been the case.

  25. Rob Says:

    Lets defend the smooth criminal in the name of improving our football team. He should be glad it wasn’t my daughter or sister. Just sayin. Careful what you wish for. Winstonites

  26. bucs4lyfe Says:

    she is the worse victim I’ve ever known…..your filing a civil lawsuit to get dudes money and you do it before the draft to affect how much he will get? that says it must be personal because it was kinda dumb and the entire world knew she would slap him with this suit and of course it comes right before the draft. she just doesn’t seem smart enough so no wonder Winston or the bucs aren’t worried. she has no one to testify on her behalf seems Winston has the support of people who were actually there.

  27. Jim Says:

    I understand ‘taking a gamble’ with a 2nd or later draft pick, but with the 1st overall? Should be interesting.

  28. ATrain Says:

    I just have ONE question….

    What is it that this kid has that makes people follow him blindly.

    Some of you question nothing he does or has done. You don’t know if he did or didn’t rape this girl you were not there. Because it didn’t go to trial. I can bet there are thousands of rapes that haven’t gone to trial.

    He steals , oh no big deal. Unless it was your store. He makes nasty comments , oh no big deal , unless your daughter was walking by.

    I don’t know this kid and I don’t know all the facts .. But man I will not blindly follow anyone…

  29. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Waterboy Says
    How can someone sue another person for something that there wasn’t enough evidence to take too trial in the first place? Considering the timing if I were him I’d file a countersuit for defamation and to acquire any loss money if my draft status was affected.

    Sometimes it is the only form of justice left open to victims. Few here are considering that, despite the lack of evidence, she may be an actual victim of rape.

    As to the timing, it is bad timing…for her. Consider this, by filing BEFORE the draft, she effects Winston’s draft stock. What if the Bucs decide not to take him? What if he slides down to the second round or later (I know it probably will not happen, but she can’t know that for sure)?

    It would mean he would have less money, and she would have less ability to collect in a lawsuit.

    So really, filing early potentially get’s her less.

    However, if she was ACTUALLY RAPED and cares less about money and more about payback, then hurting Winston’s stock gains her a small measure of justice.

    Unless you are a victim who cannot prove the truth, you cannot understand it, I suppose.

    I’m not sure I believe her at this point, but maybe that’s why she’s doing this. Because no one, not the media, the judge, the school or anyone, has believed she was actually raped. If she was raped, not being believed can be worse than the rape itself.

    That no one here can grasp this is disturbing.

    Personally, I figured a lawsuit was coming, and it doesn’t change my opinion on Jameis. I still prefer Mariota, but will accept Jameis. If he is guilty though, I hope he hurts bad for it. Because if it was my daughter he raped and there was no legal justice? I would kill him.

    BUT…if he is innocent? Then he is the victim here. I allow for that possibility. I also allow for the possibility that if he is guilty, he may never do anything like it again. Or, he might do it again. It could go either way, after all, if he did rape her, he got away with it.

    And maybe, just maybe, the victim actually wants any form of justice she can get because so many people helped him get away with it. If he did it.

  30. BirdDoggers Says:

    The Bucs most likely invested more time and resources investigating Winston than any other draft pick in their history. They’ve known about the potential civil suit all along. If they decided Winston is worth taking with first pick, they’ve also decided that any fallout from the previous allegations is worth dealing with as well. NFL teams don’t like distractions, but the Bucs must be confident enough that any distractions wouldn’t be significant enough to pass on Winston. This is assuming the Bucs draft Winston. The Glazers could get cold feet at the last minute and veto the pick.

  31. Buc1987 Says:

    Let’s just wait and see if it even has it’s day in court…

    I suppose anyone can sue anyone over just about anything, but it doesn not mean some of those cases even get heard. If I’m Winston’s lawyer, I would state early and often the lack of evidence for it to be even tried in court. On top of that I’d start a counter suit right here and now. Just see how far this gold digger wants to take this thing…

    Figures she lives in Pasco where I’m at. Land of the rich, just kidding.

  32. bucco brice Says:

    time to change horses in midstream joe…this train wreck Winston is bad news for the Bucs…one incident tells it all….he was in trouble with sexual assault and then stands on a table and shouts “f*** her in the p****”…yeah, he’s intelligent….NOT

  33. BoltIsle Says:

    If she’s had evidence, she’s an idiot for not using it by now. Then again, her first attorney was an idiot.

    And anything she may have, even new, you can be sure the NFL has it and more. Not just the Bucs.

  34. tval Says:

    so should we just do it away with rape kits altogether?

  35. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    OJ Simpson is a great example of someone possibly getting away with a crime because of his popularity. Upon review of the court records, in hindsight, many attorney’s have said that the evidence presented to clear him could have easily been disputed, and that the prosecutor and judge failed to execute their duty properly.

    To this day, none of us actually know if he was guilty. If he was, he got away with it…at least until justice was served in civil matters.

    Consider this though…if you could go back in time and see that OJ was guilty, would you feel he deserved being ruined financially? Probably so.

    As I have said, sometimes civil court is the only form of justice.

  36. tval Says:

    she may have some evidence we don’t know about? hahaha yes she held onto it through three other investigations and a documentary film..good lord you guys are silly..she had rape kit, tox, and bac say she were lying..everything else is just so she doesnt discourage other victims..shes doing her part though, gotta give it to her..0.00 % chance she was assaulted and demanded to stay in his dense can one be?

  37. Clodhopper Says:

    I still say she’s just mad because she sucked his ****, was video taped, and he never called her back. Made her feel dirty, and she wants to “get him back”

    Damn right she had fun that night. She got addicted to what the **** did, and he moved on too quickly.

  38. Buc1987 Says:

    BuccaneerBonzai …finally a voice of reason. Much better than the low intelligence drive by posters that just blurt out a bunch of rapist lines and then move on.

  39. tval Says:

    We dont know if oj was guilty?? Wow. Not big on evidence, bonzai? You are kinsmanns attorneys dream juror..roflmao!!!

  40. Clodhopper Says:

    Sorry Joe. I thought my comment was clean enough. I’ll tone it down

  41. EK Says:


  42. tval Says:

    People like buc bonzai prove why jameis may want to settle..physical evidence means nothing, 8 lies mean nothing..where does the nonsense end, really? If this does affect his draft stock the countersuit may destroy her life..her amateur attorneys didnt consider this..stay tuned!! 🙂

  43. Buc1987 Says:

    Nice new name robert. How long did it take you to spell it?

  44. robert 9 Says:


  45. Dreambig Says:

    Tval – good points. I would like to see Winston counter sue as well but having said that, none of us are sure what went down that night. It was clearly kids drinking and making really bad choices. Each one of them. I suspect Erica had buyers remorse the next day, encountered her friend during her walk of shame back to her room, Her friend knows she has a boyfriend so Erica was embarrased and started making things up like the “I was drugged and hit on the head” that was reported to the police but proved not to be true. Once her aggressive “our kid would never sleep with a black boy” family became involved there was no turning back. At this point I think she even believes her own story.

  46. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    People are blind where Jameis is concerned. Really, you all have a Worship Complex.

    Therefore, I have a treat for you…some little known facts about Jameis Winston

    When Jameis Winston was in middle school, his English teacher assigned an essay: “What is courage?” He received an A+ for turning in a blank page with only his name at the top.

    Jameis Winston once urinated in a semi truck’s gas tank as a joke. That truck is now known as Optimus Prime.

    Jameis Winston lost both his legs in a car accident, but he still managed to walk it off.

    Jameis Winston can play the violin with a piano.

    Jameis Winston had a role in star wars as The Force.

    Giraffes were invented when Jameis Winston laid an uppercut to a horse.

    While learning CPR Jameis Winston actually brought the practice dummy to life.

    Jesus can walk on water, Jameis Winston can swim through land.

    Jameis Winston doesn’t commit rape, his victims are all liars and gold diggers.

  47. Buc1987 Says:

    “I suspect Erica had buyers remorse the next day, encountered her friend during her walk of shame back to her room”

    Dreambig…That was of course after getting a ride home from Winston on a scooter….

  48. tval Says:

    why is it blind following to read a 360 page report? but it’s genuine concern about a victim when you ignore said evidence? That is definition of sorry

  49. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    People like tval are why Winston get’s away with rape.

  50. tmaxcon Says:

    So which of the 4 or 5 versions of the story is this gold digging, lying cleat chaser going to use. Joe should do a poll to see which of her lies is the most popular. Her and her attorney are embarrassments to the system.

  51. Salty Shredder Says:

    It is really hard to believe some of the comments about the accuser and Jameis himself. Have any of you guys ever actually met her ? Have any of you guys personally met Jameis ? Maybe her legal team will bring some hard evidence against Jameis that the Tallahassee PD conveniently forgot to leave out of their report. We all know that department isn’t very forthcoming with information regarding FSU athletes’s legal issues. Nobody knows how this thing is gonna shake out, Bucs brass included. I’m not interested in the PR backlash when we draft Jameis, and I would hope the Bucs organization wouldn’t be either.

  52. tval Says:

    My thoughts exactly, dreambig. You cant fake rape kits..police protecting him is a stretch. nurses/doctors/ social workers /scientists risking their professional reputations, that’s a bridge too far

  53. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    omg, tval, no one here has mentioned race at all. Except you.

    Consider this, what if Winston was white? Would you say the same thing? Probably not. In fact, I bet you would say he was guilty.

  54. Buc1987 Says:

    Bonzai…you forgot.

    “Yes, I’ve heard. Kills men by the hundreds. And if HE were here, he’d consume the English with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.”

  55. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Oh, and here’s another one I forgot…

    Jameis Winston once decided he wanted to cut down some trees. So he grabbed an axe and went to the Siera Forest.

  56. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    If the Patriots had the number one pick, EVERYONE HERE would take the victim’s side.

  57. rayjay1122 Says:

    I realize there are very differing opinions of Winston and the rape allegations. Mine is that, he was not found guilty of any criminal offenses and these young ladies (and I use the term loosly), are gold digging opportunists who obviously were intelligent enough to realize who Winston was and that he had a lot of money in his near future. Since there is no shortage of females who operate in this capacity, I would suggest to Jameis that he avoid women like the plague and find a nice girl probably a long time acuaintance from his youth and settle down by getting married. Playing the field will ruin him because now that he has been targeted, there are skanks here in Tampa, as one of the ones involved now is, who will line up to throw what they have at him and then get in the I was raped line. These women should get conter sued when the cases are concluded and he is finally free of this BS. Throw the whores in jail and send a message to the rest of the scum bags that engage in this behavior!!!! That is just my opinion though and I do not claim to be right.

  58. robert 9 Says:

    how long till jesse and sharpton pipe in?

  59. Clodhopper Says:

    This is setting up to have another BS distraction to open the Bucs season for the third year in a row. MRSA, Tedford, and now a stupid court case for our star quarterback.

  60. robert 9 Says:

    man, draft day is gonna be real tough in here on the JW nuthuggers. he’s gonna drop like crazy.

    it’s not a money grab if the timing is costing her money. she’s pissed and looks to be doing this for personal reasons, not money

  61. tval Says:

    Why inthe world would I say a white man were guilty of a crime with a mountain of exculpatory evidence in his favor? that’s a suspect statement in itself if you ask me.. the Duke girl was rightly destroyed when exposed as a liar why not Erika?

  62. Buc1987 Says:

    Dan Wetzel – Yahoo sports

    “Or perhaps, as some are certainly prone to believe, a college town police department swept this under the rug. At this stage, however, that isn’t just baseless speculation but wild, unfair stereotyping.”

    “The assumption requires the belief that numerous officers and departments (including the one assigned to investigate sexual assaults) chose to risk their careers, reputations and perhaps their own freedom to protect a then-redshirt quarterback for the local football team.”

    “That isn’t just improbable and would require a vast cover-up; it’s without even a hint of evidence suggesting as much.”

    “What’s more believable, albeit with limited known facts, is that the police saw nothing to investigate. That may not mean the woman is lying. It may mean there just isn’t evidence. Although, again, if this were a close call, you’d think the police would have at least spoken to Winston.”

    All these people risked their careers, reputation, and possible jail time to protect Winston????

    That’s what Bonzai would like you to believe….

  63. Dreambig Says:

    lol Bonzi! You forgot one about how he majically wins every game at the end or something like that!

  64. tval Says:

    its not a money grab because its two weeks before the draft.. hahahaha..sweet naivete , i miss you..:)

  65. ATrain Says:

    bonzai is awesome….

    WBF (Winston blind followers) will defend anything he does.

    By the way the last Judge said it was 50 – 50 he was equally split on the case.

    Bonzai if I may add one..

    Winston is such a bad a$%, He scares Chuck Norris

  66. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    No, 87, I just think that IF Winston is guilty, a great injustice is being done to the victim. It goes both ways though. If he isn’t, then that injustice is being done to Winston.

    The truth is, no one here knows the truth. Therefore, it makes no sense to further victimize the victim.

  67. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Jameis Winston is so good the balls were at fault for his picks.

  68. tval Says:

    rape kits know the truth.

  69. tmaxcon Says:

    Jameis Winston is the VICTIM. Between appearing in the liberal propaganda film and changing (lying) her story 4 or 5 times she has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that she is only in this for money. she has made it more difficult for legit victims

  70. robert 9 Says:

    “This is setting up to have another BS distraction to open the Bucs season for the third year in a row. MRSA, Tedford, and now a stupid court case for our star quarterback.”

    trudat clodhopper.

    save the drama for your mama

    trade back or draft MM, either way yall better get your Glennon jerseys ready!

  71. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    There is no way Winston should file a counter suit….all that would do would be to attract more attention to a $hit-storm they want to go away.
    This will ebb in time if Winston becomes a productive player in the NFL…..Winston will likely win the civil suit….but that’s not a certainty. We just don’t know all of the evidence and can’t get into the mind of jurors.
    This is simply a PR management issue from this point on and thus far Winston’s team has done a good job of it…as have the Bucs.
    As long as Winston doesn’t repeat acts like yelling “FHRITP”…..he’ll likely survive the issue.
    Opposing fans will be brutal… prepared to defend him indefinately!!!

  72. rayjay1122 Says:

    Also As I understand it, Winston never denied engaging in sexual intercourse which DNA evidence would prove anyways and there are signs of forced sex which the investigators could and would have easily found as evidence to support any claims of rape. I think what it all boils down to is that if you are a high profile individual with a promising carreer and much money in your future, just avoid giving the opportunists any opportunity.

  73. Buc1987 Says:

    From the same article :

    “The standard, if the allegation is deemed credible, is to speak to Jameis Winston as soon as possible. That isn’t just for the credibility of the investigation but to protect the accused. Memory is sharper in the immediate aftermath and not nearly as much a year later. An innocent man would rather defend himself with the clearest version of the truth possible.”

    “It’s not that the police did nothing here. The police report says that “evidence” was collected from the victim and pictures of the victim’s injuries were taken. At least three separate officer’s names are listed on the report. So there was something there.”

    “So, again, why did no one speak to Winston?”

    I say for lack of anything credible….

  74. robert 9 Says:

    we all know this guy is a monster. all the signs point to it. some choose to ignore it because of either race, football , moral issues or just plain stupidity

  75. Buc1987 Says:

    “Opposing fans will be brutal… prepared to defend him indefinately!!!”

    TBBF….I concur, but not indefinitely…

  76. Buc1987 Says:

    Yeah robert he’s a monster for stealing crab legs and soda.

    We all know it…

  77. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Seriously people… I had little knowledge of the Zach Mettenberg case. I just find it somewhat peculiar how some cases make headlines and others don’t. Some of you good-ol-boys better start getting use to seeing that face at the top of the screen around the bay area. Good job OBP making a quick statement in regards to this matter. Kill some of this sinceless noise before it got out of control. I love it…

  78. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    The national media that has always looked upon the Buccaneers as second class citizens…will love running Jameis /Buccaneer stories….it will be a regretable decision drafting Jameis…..YOU DON’t take the 1st overall player with SO MANY issues….

  79. Buc1987 Says:

    Back to the wager thingy…..

    Anyone credible out there that has some money and would like to give it away to me?

    Anyone want to bet Jameis will or won’t be a Buc in 13 days?

  80. ADown Says:

    The Bucs are rumored to have spent upwards of 4-7 million dollars investigating Winston. I’m sure they knew this was coming. If they were comfortable with him before, they are comfortable with him now. Nothing has changed… Proceed.

  81. rayjay1122 Says:

    Oh crap!!!!! Something I did not even think about! Now I know why the Titans had a young sultry woman escorting Winston around the facility. If the Bucs draft Winston, then she can cry rape also. Maybe this was to set up a blackmail situation so we pass on him and they can get the best QB in the draft. LOL OK I admit that is nonsense, or………..?

  82. UF Alum that loves the Bucs Says:

    75 comments before 7am Mountain time??? Must be about Winston

  83. Nick Says:

    If you want the flip side to the New York Times article, Google: The National Review- The Cinematic Railroading of Jameis Winston by Stuart Taylor Jr.

  84. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Just look at the writing on the wall. It is a fact that Winston scores that night, only consensuality is in question, and that’s not easy to question considering the lack of evidence, her hang in out with Winston prior, and her obvious interest in the big man on campus.

    At this point, you either feel sorry for her because nobody believe her and if it did happen, it’s horrible. Or you despise her using her gender to take advantage of a millionaire-to-be and is only looking for a paycheck.

    Considering she is after all this money, rather than just trying to prove it happened, this doesn’t favor her at all.

    None of us were there that night, nobody can simply say “IT DIDN’T HAPPEN” like they say “Winston IS the pick”. For all we know, she and her attorneys have done a terrible job of presenting this with a lack of evidence.

    But I wouldn’t bet on it. I am Pro-Mariota, but even I don’t think he is a rapist.

  85. ADown Says:

    Oh, and I don’t think they would have spent all that money for nothing. If they thought Kinsman was a determining factor, they would have stopped the investigation and took him off of their board.

  86. Bannor Says:

    looks like Erica is bound and determined to get paid by someone.

  87. rayjay1122 Says:

    Robert9 obviously hates does not understand our justice system. Dude, it is not guily until proven innocent and then remain guilty. It is Innocent until proven guilty. If you do not like our systen then perhaps you should become a citizen of North Korea or Iran where you get a farce of a trial and get a same day execution. That seems like your speed.

  88. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    For all we know robert9 you’re a monster. If your life and past was raked with a comb what would we find. Easy for us to past judgment on situations we had absolutely no involvement in.

  89. passthebuc Says:

    What would you expect them to say. “No we have no interest” “We are going to take him anyway”

  90. UF Alum that loves the Bucs Says:

    Im going to say this again at the risk of being banned. It is Absolutely PATHETIC to compare Winston and Mettenberger. Joe you constantly discredit yourselves and despite your belief, some of us are pulling for you and your site.

  91. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    And Lovie deliberatley lost a football game for this…….shaking my head……

  92. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Passthebuc it’s they’re product,and would be they’re prerogative if they wanted to come out and plainly say “hell no we’re not touching this guy”. Would they then be breaking any NFL rules if they did so. Survey Says. Hell No.

  93. Dreambig Says:

    Went to a party when I was young teenager about Jameis’s age, the party was in a hotel, the bathtub was filled with a nice fruity grain alcohol mixture. There was a lot of drinking going on. As soon as I walked through the door, this blonde cutie grabs me and sticks her tounge down my throat, she then proceeds to bounce over to the next guy, and then the next. I was a smart young man and realized as crazy as that party was getting, leaving would be a good idea. When I left, that same girl was lying on a bed making out with two guys. The next day all the buzz was that she had gone to the police because she had been raped. Thank god I left! With our goofy legal system, she may have leagally been raped as she was clearly drunk and not in a mindset to say no, but when I left, she was the sexual aggressor. Maybe Jameis is guilty as charged (or not charged), but I would sure like to see it proven before he is declared guilty by a mob mentality and public opinon.

  94. ADown Says:

    @Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun

    Agreed, they did it with Hardy.

  95. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    and perhaps this girl is not after money…perhaps she is after justice…..

  96. ADown Says:

    @JoeJoes Fungi Nails

    Or perhaps she is after money…

    Her previous lawyer already attempted to settle to “keep quiet”. You don’t offer to settle to keep quiet if you are out for justice.

  97. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    UFalum the details may very well be quite different,my point is it’s strange how some cases make national news and others don’t. S@$! is irksome if you ask me.

  98. Luther Says:

    JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:
    April 17th, 2015 at 9:02 am
    and perhaps this girl is not after money…perhaps she is after justice….


    Shes after 7 versions of justice…make that 8

  99. UF Alum that loves the Bucs Says:

    For the Mariota Crowd ESPN just did an Awesome article on his transition to the Pros. A good read

  100. Nick Says:

    @JoeJoes Fungi Nails

    Read this: The National Review- The Cinematic Railroading of Jameis Winston by Stuart Taylor Jr.

  101. tmaxcon Says:

    don’t worry gator fans you are still leading with way with your 1st degree murder conviction this week…

    It’s funny this topic is generating as much attention. Her suit really means nothing. I own a screen printing company and print for national touring artists primarily metal and hardcore bands. I get sued at least twice a year by some church group whining about our evil designs. Law suits are a joke in this country.

    If she was after Justice she would not have proceeded the way she has. It’s not about justice it’s about railroading a fine young man.

    Welcome to tampa Jameis.

  102. tmaxcon Says:

    Her previous lawyer already attempted to settle to “keep quiet”. You don’t offer to settle to keep quiet if you are out for justice.


    That just about says it all sir!

  103. UF Alum that loves the Bucs Says:

    I know what you mean Nole and I have Never said JW is guilty of anything. However I have been guilty of grabbing a girls ass or boobs several times in college. Jeesh if anyone was just being a guy it was Zach. Just my opinion tho

  104. Espo Says:

    I wished he would’ve been charged so he would’ve either been cleared or (hopefully, if guilty) gone to prison. Either way we’d have an answer.

  105. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Your bad joejoe the whole organization tanked an entire season for this. All Hail homie,almost time for the King to come.

  106. ATrain Says:

    But Gator Fans won’t defend Blindly…

    And bucs1987 is Winston posing as a fan

  107. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    UFalum lord knows in my younger days I use to frequent night clubs often and I too have grab many a ass in my day. We both know in accordance to the law we take a chance when we’ve done so.

  108. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    “All Hail homie,almost time for the King to come.”
    false prophet…….

  109. Nick Says:


    NO NO NO NO!!!

    This is the exact thinking that needs to end. The local DA, State DA and Former State Supreme Court Justice all conducted separate investigations, any one of which could have levied charges or sanctions. This is exactly what should happen if you are accused of a crime you didn’t commit. Too many people watch too many movies and think the criminal justice system only operates in a court room with a 12 person jury. Majority of all legal issues are settled or determined outside of a court room.

  110. tmaxcon Says:


    Anyone else I might buy being an impersonator but not 87 has carried the Winston torch high and proud.

    Now I completely believe that Barry and Lovie smith are one in the same. Their logic and intelligence levels are just too close for them not to be the same person.

  111. UF Alum that loves the Bucs Says:

    All Gators fans are not created equal

  112. Nick Says:


    Accidentally deleted a sentence: He was cleared in all three investigations, which is your “cleared”.

  113. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    The COC hearing was her absolute best chance. and she lost.

    The civil case has the same 50% threshold but, this time, she is open to being deposed by opposing counsel.

    There is 0% chance her attorney will allow opposing counsel to depose her and to enter exhibits into evidence. This is about fishing for a settlement, and just trying to throw mud on Winston right before the draft.

  114. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Or I could be clairvoyant,the 30th will soon tell joejoe. Smiley face on my end.

  115. ATrain Says:

    Winston fans buckle up…If the Bucs take him. Then prepare for two rebuilding years and get your tickets and support this club.

    This year will be a distraction with law suit and media..a bust

    Next year if Winston does turn out to be great maybe something changes.

  116. SAMCRO Says:

    Mettenberger admitted to sexual battery, not sexual assault. The battery was from playing grab-ass, if he had assaulted her he would have admitted to rape. Get it right and quit trying to minimize what Winston was accused of.

  117. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    A,y’all better chill my big homie Love and WarrickDunn has entered the discussion. Y’all don’t want it.

  118. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    Regarding Jameis Winston………..this story will NOT go AWAY !!!
    until the Next One !!!!!!!!!

  119. miken Says:

    lawsuits don’t scare me, a ton of interceptions because of not reconizing underneath coverages does. He’s inaccurate at times and forces things. Its like he was smart to do all this stuff off the field because everyone is just looking at the off the field mistakes. He does have some freeman in him… big ,strong, sloppy mechanics at times. he really missed k benjamen, who was tall and hard to over throw. The draft is sooo much luck, some years you have stafford or luck and some years you have jake long or eric fisher sitting there. Not the year to find a right away franchise qb, but maybe he can develop

  120. Buc1987 Says:

    ATrain Says:
    April 17th, 2015 at 9:14 am

    “But Gator Fans won’t defend Blindly…

    And bucs1987 is Winston posing as a fan”

    Ha ha ha my ebonics is not that good!

  121. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    I respectfully appreciate your pessimism atrain. Me on the other hand well let’s just say I’m 100% optimistic so all I fore see is greatness with this kid. Joejoe calm down bro,this s@$! aint that serious man.

  122. ATrain Says:

    Tmaxx 87 is Winston carrying his own torch.

    Winston is missing his social media since his people told him to stay away.

    Who would win a fight Winston or a hurricane..

    What if the hurricane were named Winston.

  123. WalkdaPlank Says:


    True enough, Winston isn’t going to solve too many problems year 1. We are looking at the undisputed WORST O-line in the NFL, with likely only a couple rookies on the way. Winston is better than McClown and Glennon IMO, but not even he can make this O-line look good. He will likely be running for his life.

  124. Buc1987 Says:

    Atrain …I’ve been posting on JBF since May 2013.

  125. Buc1987 Says:

    Could I be part of Winston’s defense team?

    Yes but they haven’t called me yet! lol

  126. UF Alum that loves the Bucs Says:

    Hey guys……How bout them Mets?!

  127. charactermatters Says:

    All those crying 7 and 8 or more versions of her story could you please illuminate us on what these versions are? Or are you just repeating the same mantra you heard your buddy repeat from his buddy? The lies? What so called proven lies? Some claim to have read all of the evidence and came to their own conclusion that the evidence “exonerates” Jameis. This is only accomplished if your mind was made up before you looked at the evidence and me thinks many of you have only read articles and not the evidence. The evidence itself does not prove or disprove anyone’s credibility. She may be a liar, maybe he is, but the evidence doesn’t prove either.

  128. briandorry55 Says:

    Let’s compare track records here:

    Erica Kinsman:
    “I was drugged” – LIE
    “I was hit on the head” – LIE
    “I was too drunk to remember” – LIE
    “I don’t sleep with black boys” – LIE
    “I told him a fake address because I was scared” -yet, in another version of her story, she told him exactly where she lived…- one of them was a LIE

    Jameis Winston:
    Stole crab legs – OWNS IT
    Shouted an obscenity – OWNS IT
    BB Gun Battle with teammates – OWNS IT
    Cheated on his girlfriend with sorority girl – OWNS IT

    These are all facts…who am I prone to believe here? The guy who has admitted to doing many silly things that most of me or my friends have done (none of which are rapists)…or the girl who has been proven to be a liar on several occasions? If she was really raped, then she deserves an award or something for her performance in destroying her own case.

  129. Nick Says:


    She lied about being drugged. 2 separate toxicology reports showed no traces of drugs or alcohol in her system. In the documentary she claims she was drugged, however in the FSU proceedings she never once made this claim.

    Google: The National Review- The Cinematic Railroading of Jameis Winston by Stuart Taylor Jr.

  130. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    I also disagree joejoe in regards to this story not going away. Kobe Bryant won a chip we’ve never heard another peep. BigBen won a chip we’ve never heard another peep. It’s something about that winning thang in this country,it has a funny way of curing all. You don’t have to look much further than this young mans last name to find that. “Just WINSton baby”. I just want all of you that oppose this young man to maintain the same position once the winning begins.

  131. charactermatters Says:

    How long after the event was the toxicology report done? Even that doesn’t prove she lied. In an attempt to explain her disorientation she comes to the conclusion that she was drugged. Even if this is not true, that doesn’t make her a liar. She never claimed to see the drug put in her drink. Also she could have been drugged and also had a clean tox. They do not screen for every drug possible, just the most common.

  132. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “charactermatters Says:
    April 17th, 2015 at 9:39 am

    All those crying 7 and 8 or more versions of her story could you please illuminate us on what these versions are?”

    1.First the perp was 5’9

    2. Said first said a short guy with dreads gave her a shot

    3. Then she said instead, a white guy gave her a shot

    4. Then at the COC hearing she said instead Winston gave her a shot

    5. Told her friend she was hit in the head at a party and blacked out – no party, no head injury per hospital

    6. Then she said she was drugged – detox was tested for 127 (or some similar number) types of drugs at FDLE and then at the UF Chem lab

    7. She said she felt coerced to leave the Bar with Jameis and teammates. But, her own friend testified she asked her if it was ok to leave with them, and then left.

    8. At the COC hearing she denied the she claimed being drugged.

    9. In the documentary, she reversed again and claimed being drugged.

    She also deleted all social media (#cleatchasers) right after that night.

    Her first text after is happened was asking for test questions for a class.

    She never called police or parents. Her friends did.

    I’m sure I can think of more, but, I’m a little busy right now.

  133. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Seems like some of you hope you O line play remains the same. They’ll draft a few nice prospects and you’ll find something else to grow about. Like dag those water boys are slow coming off the side lines geez.

  134. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “charactermatters Says:
    April 17th, 2015 at 9:51 am

    They do not screen for every drug possible, just the most common.”

    Look it up. She was tested for 172 drugs or drug metabolites. Being it was an accused rapes, they look specifically for the drugs associated with rape.

  135. robert 9 Says:

    @ nole

    big ben and bryant both at least paid their victims off. that made it go away.

  136. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    She refused to ID her BF as the second set of DNA. Her own bf refused to assist in the rape investigation of HIS OWN GIRLFRIEND. (ever heard of that?)

    Her bf was on the witness list for WINSTON at the COC hearing, but, it wasn’t even needed to call him up.

  137. Bryce Says:

    Bye bye Winston good luck in Tenn. Hello Mariota let him sit behind Glennon or Veteran for a year I’m cool with that build continuity with the offensive line and build the team for the long haul.

  138. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “charactermatters Says:
    April 17th, 2015 at 9:39 am

    Some claim to have read all of the evidence and came to their own conclusion that the evidence “exonerates” Jameis. This is only accomplished if your mind was made up before you looked at the evidence and me thinks many of you have only read articles and not the evidence.”

    I read the entire 248 page report. Did you?

  139. Skyline Crew Says:

    What Nole? Big Ben still gets called by his rape nickname. It didn’t go away, maybe his fan base didn’t bring it up, but everybody else does.

  140. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    I also read the entire COC hearing transcript. Did you?

  141. Buccfan37 Says:

    I don’t care if the Bucs draft Winston. As far as Tallahassee, no justice comes from that den of special interests, FSU is one of the biggest. This state’s standard of living has steadily eroded for the majority of Floridians. It’s called the yankee invasion, escaping the hellholes up north only to turn this state into one.

  142. WS99 Says:

    Buccfan37 Says:
    April 17th, 2015 at 10:07 am
    I don’t care if the Bucs draft Winston. As far as Tallahassee, no justice comes from that den of special interests, FSU is one of the biggest. This state’s standard of living has steadily eroded for the majority of Floridians. It’s called the yankee invasion, escaping the hellholes up north only to turn this state into one.

    Ty I needed a good laugh.

  143. charactermatters Says:

    Loveand WD
    Yes I have. Objectively. I came to the conclusion that it would be unfair of me to consider this event when evaluating Jameis as the evidence is not there. I did not, however come to the conclusion that the evidence proves either side of the story.

  144. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “charactermatters Says:
    April 17th, 2015 at 10:22 am

    Loveand WD
    Yes I have. Objectively. I came to the conclusion that it would be unfair of me to consider this event when evaluating Jameis as the evidence is not there. I did not, however come to the conclusion that the evidence proves either side of the story.”

    And if the evidence doesn’t show either side of the story, why isn’t she being looked at equally with disbelief?

  145. charactermatters Says:

    Love and WD,
    I have a level of disbelief, just not enough to call her a liar and attack her. I have enough disbelief to consider Jameis innocent because the evidence doesn’t prove his guilt. Any other conclusion would be purely biased on my part.

  146. charactermatters Says:

    what is wrong with my above comment? I made no false accusations, nor did I repeat other’s. I did not call anyone, including Jameis, any names. Again, where fid I cross the line?

  147. Dewey Selmon Says:

    His roommate walked in on him and she was giving Jameis a blowjob. does this sound like rape?

  148. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “charactermatters Says:
    April 17th, 2015 at 10:34 am

    Love and WD,
    I have a level of disbelief, just not enough to call her a liar and attack her. I have enough disbelief to consider Jameis innocent because the evidence doesn’t prove his guilt. Any other conclusion would be purely biased on my part.”

    I honestly feel she is being coerced by her Aunt lawyer, and the Colorado Title IX attorneys. She let the initial claim go totally dormant from March 2013 until the exact day (Nov. 2013) after Oregon lost and Winston became the Hei$man favorite. The timing was not coincidental. When he became valuable, the claims started again. She never even called police or her parents initially. I don’t think she expected this to happen, and now it’s gotten away from her.

  149. Bucs#1 Says:

    @ Dewey

    That wasn’t the girl he saw giving Winston a BJ, it was 87

  150. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    When I say go away skyline I mean national media. What is said at different stadiums across the league hell that’s understanble you know try an get in your opponents head. That comes with the territory. That and media attention are quite different.

  151. MarshallU Says:

    If anybody really beleives that the Bucs weren’t “moved” by this new filing, I’ve got some swampland I’m trying to sell

  152. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “Bucs#1 Says:
    April 17th, 2015 at 10:53 am

    @ Dewey

    That wasn’t the girl he saw giving Winston a BJ, it was 87”

    87 was’t listed by the rape nurse with having redness on both knees during the exam at the hospital, but, Erica was. Red knees from the hummer.

  153. ThunderBuc81 Says:

    None of us know the truth to this and never will. What is unfortunate about this case is the fact that cases like this is the reason real victims have a hard time reporting these crimes.

  154. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    What’s your asking price Marshall?

  155. Espo Says:


    That’s good enough for me, and I don’t think for a second he did it. I just think if he actually went through a jury trial and was found not guilty the stigma wouldn’t follow him as badly.

  156. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Boy y’all don’t know who y’all messin with when it comes to Love and Warrick Dunn.

  157. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:


    LOL, thx

  158. JBuc Says:

    This is all so stupid. They did not have enough evidence to simply charge the guy. How is a jury in s civil case going to make a judgement? His attorney will eat her lunch. I think he welcomes this so that he can clear everything going forward and shut up the clowns like Barry, Robert 9 and the rest for good.

  159. distraughtfan Says:

    It blows my mind that a one year wonder/interception machine has so many guys lining up to be mushroomed stamped. This guy has more supporters than Alstott, Sapp, Brooks and Barber combined. It’s crazy to me when he hasn’t accomplished a dang thing in the NFL. If Mariota had Kelvin Benjamin alone, never mind the numerous other NFL player Winston played with, he would have made this decision a no contest.

    If the Bucs do pick him they deserve to lose. I want to win as much as anyone, but I can’t support a criminal who is arrogant and can barely speak proper english. He’s an idiot and don’t want the team I root for to be led by a POS!
    Bottom line is perception is reality and cities outside of Florida hate this guy and think he’s a rapist and a thug. That Winstonites, will NEVER change! Me I’d rather my Qb doing State Farm commercials.


  160. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:


    Miami Dolphins train to the left. See ya.

  161. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Well spoken jbuc,well spoken.

  162. Skyline Crew Says:



  163. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Dude you bring up Kelvin Benjamin,sorry if I commit blasphemy in the eyes of some of my fellow Noles bros but he ain’t better than Mike Evans. What then do you feel he’ll accomplish with a weapon like that.

  164. distraughtfan Says:

    Not sure what Evans has to do with my post Just name me one WR from Oregon that is going to the NFL. As for the keyboard gangstas/Winstons pubic hairs, blow me you don’t get to choose who I root for, only how many times a day you worship your god JW.

  165. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    Look at Kelvins #s with EJ, then with Winston. Who made who?

  166. Getaclue Says:

    Well it’s obvious who the gator fans are stop watching my Bucs if you are going to let your college team allegiance affect my only team allegiance to the Bucs. Everyone that doesn’t want Winston is either a gator fan or has the football iq of Paris hilton.

  167. Pickgrin Says:

    Nothing has changed. Winston is the pick and will be the Bucs new QB.

    Get on board and support your quarterback – or go find another team.

  168. Mariota>Winston Says:

    “Get on board and support your quarterback – or go find another team.”

    You are an idiot but that is not news here….who died and made you a Glazer…lmao. Stick your biased JW love where the sun dont shine buddy. I love my bucs just not your man crush for JW. If there is one thing I do know about this organization, when you think the obvious will occur it does not. When you think that something may never happen, it does. For example, the departure of Gruden and hire of Rah.

  169. Pickgrin Says:

    Mariota>Winston Says:

    I will say the exact same thing 13 days and 6.5 hours from now. And then it will be fact – not “biased JW love”.

    Will you support Winston when he is the Bucs QB or not???

  170. salish_seamonster Says:

    We don’t have moral outrage about Mettenberger because he’s not a candidate to be drafted with the first overall pick. Actually, it’s not about moral outrage, or morality at all. It’s about feeling confident that the guy you’re making a huge investment in isn’t going to make you regret the decision by effing up. Winston seems to have cleared the confidence hurdle.

  171. BrooklynBucsFan Says:

    Seems to me that they filed suit now, two weeks before the draft, in hopes that Winston would be more likely to settle. Basically, they’re trying to use the draft the put pressure on Winston and his lawyer’s to settle now so his draft status won’t be effected. That’s a cash grab move to me, not someone that’s trying to fight for justice.