“They’re Really Devoid Of Leadership”

March 23rd, 2015

Mariota2Harsh words from a former Tampa Bay Buccaneer implied that the team can’t afford to draft University of Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota.

Shaun King, one of three Bucs quarterbacks to lead Tampa Bay to the NFC title game, joined Pro Football Talk Live on NBC Sports Radio on Friday and explained why personality matters when it comes to drafting a QB.

King was asked about the powerful report claiming the Bucs don’t like Marcus Mariota’s laid-back personality. He said the Bucs’ roster needs something else.

“I think it’s very important. Every locker room is different, and when you look at Tampa, they’re really devoid of leadership,” King said. “Gerald McCoy is kind of an outspoken guy. But that’s really it. Vincent Jackson is more of a laid back, lead by example. And they haven’t had a quarterback.”

King, who works for Yahoo! Sports, noted how during the small ESPN preview released of Mariota joining Chucky for his made-for-television QB Camp, Mariota struggled to spit out “strong right slot, Z-right, spider-2-Y-banana, Z-over.” That illustrated his learning curve of calling plays, King said, and that also could be scaring off the Bucs.

“The time frame needed for him to develop, to me is what Tampa is looking at as a concern,” King said. “If it takes Marcus two years to get everything physically and mentally, do Lovie Smith and Jason Licht have that kind of time frame to wait for a quarterback to develop?”

Joe found King’s assessment that the Bucs are “devoid of leadership” rather interesting. Joe must agree when it comes to the offense. Heck, the bell cow offensive lineman couldn’t manage to organize a barbecue, and there really is no voice of the unit.

On defense, Joe would disagree. McCoy is a very strong leader, as is Clinton McDonald, who earned his Super Bowl ring in Seattle. And Lavonte David commands tremendous respect in the locker room, as did Dashon “Hawk” Goldson. Alterraun Verner also is a very intelligent guy with credibility.

As for whether Lovie could afford to let Mariota work through a rough transition, well, Joe’s not sure. It’s rare for a coach to return, like Lovie has, after earning the No. 1 overall draft pick. It would be even more rare for that same coach to return again following a five-win campaign.

89 Responses to ““They’re Really Devoid Of Leadership””

  1. PanthersSuck! Says:

    Writing is on the wall

  2. JFF Says:

    You can’t be a leader if you’re immature.

  3. ddneast Says:

    Shaun King talking about leadership is like Ellen Degeneris talking about heterosexuality.

  4. JFF Says:


    LMAO well said

  5. Skyline Crew Says:

    King is a joke.

  6. Dewey Selmon Says:

    #13 is the offensive leader. I ok with that.

  7. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    OK then…why are there,not one I’ve seen, of teams rumored to be “trading up for Winston” ?

    Maybe Mariota simply does like like the pretentious puppet game top picks must endure…he certainly has proven himself on the field.

    I really don’t care anymore…this roster is deviod of talent….L&L have been abysmal so far…..ABYSAMAL !

    No FA’s want to come here other than $$$$….fans do not go to games, the game day experience is depressing……the NFL is changing very fast and it is not the game we grew up so passionate about.

    Mark Cuban is spot on……

  8. Tom Edrington Says:

    Leadership starts at the top…..

    Cue Lovie……….”very, very disappointed….”

  9. The Buc Realist Says:

    There has not been any leadership on Offense in years, After all Joe says ” McCown walks in the room like a leader.”

    And the Defensive leadership could be upgraded as well,

  10. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I doubt anyone has made any negative remarks about either prospect. Teams just don’t do that to draftees because is affects their draft possibilities with other teams.
    Shaun King is, once again, off the mark.

    “Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 11 or fewer points.”

  11. JBuc Says:

    Ok, once again for you dopes that just can’t get your head around this, no team is going to trade up for a player that is presumed to be a lock as the 1st player taken. The reason you hear people discuss Marcus as trade bait is because he is presumed to be AVAILABLE! Nobody really knows where he is going. Everyone knows where Jameis is going.

  12. kaput Says:

    I hope tha Winston haters le5 up after he’s a BuC. That, or find a new team.

  13. robert 9 Says:

    MG8 is our leader. embrace the horror

  14. mike n Says:

    good point though… might not have the o line, hc, and culture to develop a star qb.

  15. Strider #FamousJameis Says:

    First off Lovie will be here for at least 2 more years. Second jameis is going to earn all of the fans love for those of you that hate him. Learn to love or go move to Carolina or ATL or better yet go root for Brady

  16. DrHoagy Says:

    Many folks want to compare Mariota to Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rogers sat for 3 years behind Brett Favre, Mariota will need the same treatment. Rogers at least huddled up at Cal and was under center more.
    As far as somebody trading up for Winston, the price is way to high which is why you haven’t heard any rumors. Also, this is prime lying season. Nobody knows for sure what is a smokescreen, media driven rumors, or just plain b.s
    We are drafting a QB with the first overall pick. Be prepared for a long season with a rookie QB regardless of who it is.

  17. JBuc Says:

    JFF: he seemed to lead FSU pretty well for two years. Oh, and there are reports that he was already showing strong leadership qualities as a freshman when EJ was still in school. People grow up and mature. He clearly needs to do some growing. However, seems like people are saying Marcus also needs to mature as a leader. People want a QB that takes command of a huddle and in meeting rooms. Mariota seems to be lacking in that area.

  18. HawaiianBuc Says:

    “OK then…why are there,not one I’ve seen, of teams rumored to be “trading up for Winston” ?”


    Do you not remember the Drew Brees rumor of literally just a couple weeks ago? Why do the Mariota Mob members refuse to acknowledge this, yet insist that teams are trying to trade up for Mariota? Who is trying to trade up? You could say Philly, but their lunatic coach has already said he’s not going to.

    Perhaps this is your first draft. If so, let me fill you in. There are going to be smokescreens. There will be rumors of all varieties, and they are only going to increase. I’m waiting for the rumor that NE is going to trade us Brady to get Winston. We are still over a month out. If you really believe everything you hear now, then you’re going to be very disappointed. Nobody is going to make any trades this far out anyway. That would literally be the dumbest thing you could do.

    I know many want Mariota. There’s no shame in that. I wanted us to draft him just a month or so ago. I still think he’ll end up being a good player. However, please stop making yourself look stupid by continuing to point to “all these teams trying to move up to get Mariota and no one wants Winston”. It’s a stupid, ignorant comment, that makes you look stupid and ignorant. They are both players that multiple teams will want, even Winston.

  19. pick6 Says:

    yup, internet posters know more about leadership than the guy who led an undefeated division I team and was the man in the huddle as the bucs marched to the NFC Championship Game. However little credit you feel he deserves, he deserves more than the keyboard critics who are trying to position their analysis as more credible than his

  20. pick6 Says:

    “Maybe Mariota simply does like like the pretentious puppet game top picks must endure…”

    oh i love it. marcus mariota is not the consensus top QB in this draft because he CHOOSES not to be.

  21. BrianDorry55 Says:


    You don’t hear about teams wanting to trade up for Winston for a very good reason….because they know they can’t because the Bucs are going to take him…

    You know what else you don’t see….Winston falling in the draft in mock drafts from ANY credible source…whereas I’ve now seen Mariota falling to #10 or later on several.

  22. Eric Says:

    I don’t think personality has much to do with it. Marcus would be the first guy in the meeting room, last to leave. If he hit the open man in stride, stayed in the pocket properly, put his head down striving for a first down, etc. I’m sure the team would rally around him.

    Winston has to do the same.

    It comes down to who is the better football player (or better pro football prospect) I feel it is Jameis by wide margin but I can see why folks like Marcus too.

    But all this “he’s too quiet” criticism of Mariota is silly. He quietly almost won Oregon the dang National Championship.

  23. Barry Says:

    Has King ever been in a locker room with Mariota? Huddle? Has King ever been with Winston in a darkened bedroom with a drunk passed out girl? If no, then STFU, Yo.

    #DP #HGH #PEDs #BrainDeadRetard

  24. Edgewalker Says:

    “JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    March 23rd, 2015 at 8:15 am

    OK then…why are there,not one I’ve seen, of teams rumored to be “trading up for Winston” ?”

    Because it is largely assumed the Bucs are going to take Winston.

    A few seconds of thought would have brought you the answer.

  25. tmaxcon Says:

    Winston is the only and obvious choice. Lovie backed himself in the corner with is failures last year and to start this year. he has no choice but to win now. he can not take the time on a risky project like Mariota.

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  27. Eric Says:

    @ Barry

    Oregon doesn’t huddle.

    And the girl never said she was drunk or passed out.

  28. bucgator Says:

    Me personally I will be fine with Winston if that is what the Brass decides to do.
    As to why there is no talk of trading up for Winston well one must realize that Outside of the Tampa area people think a bit different of Winston.

  29. Buc1987 Says:

    Edgewalker…you have to understand man. Some of these fans are still in denial or too thick to get it or too dug in.

    When 95% of the media are saying that pretty much every NFL team rep at the NFL combine was saying the Bucs are taking Winston. These Buc fans look the other way and don’t want to hear it or read about it or they choose to pretend like they never read it. It was like a given at the combine, so many people were saying it.

    When will it sink in? I have no idea.

  30. Buc1987 Says:

    Gil Brandt saying emphatically he’d be absolutely SHOCKED if the Bucs don’t take Winston. Means nothing to these stragglers.

    30 out of 30 mocks picking Winston as the first pick by the Bucs. Means nothing to the stragglers.

    Lovie himself could come out and say they are taking Jameis. It will mean nothing to the stragglers.

    When will it sink in? I don’t know.

  31. bucs4lyfe Says:

    it’s funny how people that have nothing to do with football other than their tv or sitting in the stands get to talk down about a guy who actually played the position as if your point is more valid than his. maybe your blowing off steam because of how bad we are but honestly who cares if he will be first in last out like every quarterback should be, he’s a kid trying to lead grown men so just being in the building isn’t enough, shaun king had the opposite take on mccown saying he’s a great leader and smart intelligent player but when the bullets started to fly he couldn’t handle it. translation he has performance anxiety and I think that will be MM. lol I remember greg schiano saying mike glennon was smart, worked hard and was the first guy in last guy out but still this is a guy who has yet to take a job that was wide open last year or beat out anyone in training camp lol its performance anxiety and i don’t care how brilliant you are, its about what you do when your hearing footsteps and grown men coming at you trying to take your head off. oddly it was wide open after freeman left because he couldn’t take the job from him either. to think I want the franchise in the hands of a guy who can’t beat out josh mccown.

  32. JBuc Says:

    BucGator: as I am sure you know, most people outside the state have only surface knowledge of Jameis. They get 30 seconds from ESPN and assume he must be a thug rapist. Take Barry for example, he continually states that the girl was passed out drunk when toxicology shows she was neither drunk or drugged. Buts let’s not let facts get in the way of a good story or a racist agenda.

  33. lions Says:

    Leadership in the pros means on and off the field. Mariota proved he could lead on the field leading his team to incredible wins, with his teamates 100% behind him. Mariota off the field is really what you would want in any person. Winston well his off the field exploits was ruining his on the field leadership as word got out that his teammates were tired of his antics. I’ll take Mariota leadership on the field or in any business situation. The team is truly in trouble if they cannot find leadership as no rookie is deemed “the” leader of the team.

  34. Jeagan1999 Says:

    There’s no such thing as a right or wrong personality when it comes to leadership. they are all different, because people are all different. There have plenty of great leaders who ran the gamut of personality styles! Patton was cocky, bombastic, brash and demanding. George Washington was quiet, reserved, thoughtful and introspective. Despite being polar opposites personality wise, they were both very similar when it came to their leadership styles. Both were perfectionists, both were physically imposing…and used it to their advantage, both were intelligent and well read, and both struggled at times during their careers, but ultimately made the most of their opportunities. i think anyone who worries about someone’s “leadership style” has an agenda they are trying to push! A good leader isnt necessarily the one who yells the loudest, but the one who gets those around them to see the vision and buy into what it will take to be successful.

  35. bucs4lyfe Says:

    I think mariotta is going to be a great quarterback in a few years but honestly like he said it’s about the right fit and this team is too soft for him and too used to winning and they need a rah rah guy like Winston because I think he’ll motivate better. same types of things were said about Michael Johnson, he even looked soft and see how that turned out since people are talking about Winston. if stealing crab legs and shouting out something from a vine video at the wrong time and place is off field issues then you Winston haters are the dulliest bunch ive ever known, as far as accusation of rape it’s still an accusation that even the accuser hasn’t proved after 3 years seriously let it go. we already have a guy like MM his name is MG. no matter how average the offense has been under him people still say he is the one, when will the excuses end? I don’t remember josh freeman having any playoff caliber offensive coordinators in his time and he still managed to put up back to back 4000 yards seasons. glennon is skittish and it’s just my point of view that’s all nothing more….but if the o line doesn’t change glennon and MM are not the type of guys that would be able to handle the pressure, MM did take more sacks and had more fumbles than Winston in college and those are just as big as interceptions

  36. lions Says:

    @Jeafan1999 Good point, personally I liked Jeter style. Undeniable respect from teammates and people alike. I think that is what I see in Mariota as well that type of leadership. I can’t prove it only to look to his teammates at Oregon who absolutely grind out wins. I think Mariota made them better just by his leadership, you don’t want to let this guy down so to speak. Winston this guy yelling at lineman, receivers, coach etc. No thanks.

  37. Brandonbr Says:

    Barry Says:
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    Dairy Queen Large Choc. Chip Cookie Dough Blizzard Calories: 1320
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  38. Buc1987 Says:

    “yelling at lineman, receivers, coach etc. No thanks.”

    Like Tom Brady? Yeah no thanks we don’t need any of that on our sidelines.
    This team doesn’t need a fire lit under their ass. Let’s just go about the season and lose quietly. SMDH

    I wonder how many fans will support Jameis after he’s the pick by our Bucs.

    How many of the “no thanks” crowd will still be Buc fans?

  39. lions Says:

    Once a Qb has earned his respect maybe ala Brady. Brady was not always like that and only in the past years he has he shown that. Brady was deemed too soft his first years. Well if you are going to compare demeanors which is laughable as opposed to leadership I’ll compare Jeter demeanor comparable to Mariota. Fire in the ass comes from the Coach, perhaps that’s the issue.

  40. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Shaun King is an idiot. The team is going to look at an accused rapist as a leader?

    Whether he was guilty or not, it matters. It matters to those players. Neither of these QBs has played in the NFL, so all they can go by is what they did in college and what they have done off the field.

    Winston did good in college. He sucked off the field. He is the Brandon Marshal of Quarterbacks at best.

    Marcus Mariota has had no complaints about his leadership, and the supposed teams that have complained about his quiet demeanor have not come forward, in fact, several have spoken to the contrary.

    The simple fact that Shaun King supports Winston should be enough of a red flag to turn everyone in Tampa toward Mariota.

  41. bucs4lyfe Says:

    Jeter style? are you kidding…..that dude was a stud and a ladies man lol you cant honestly tell me you see mariotta being the guy like jeter lol what is wrong with you people….i’d never see MM in my life with the lifestyle that jeter had he’s to boring and to date women like scarlett Johansson really? I think it’s laughable to argue MM is a better leader than JW, all these quarterbacks sat back and let Winston lead them in quarterback drills at the combine and im not saying that’s the smoking gun but it’s simply the kind of quarterback we need. no one denies josh mccown was a fiery leader but lol it just doesn’t translate to the field, any quarterback plugs in to chip kellys system ala nick foles and mark sanchez lol your all reaching

  42. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Buc1987 Says
    “yelling at lineman, receivers, coach etc. No thanks.”

    Like Tom Brady?

    Tom Brady has actually earned that right. He has proven himself. He has been to multiple superbowls.

    Of any quarterback currently playing in the NFL, Tom Brady is the one that no one can say has not earned such a right.

    Second, Tom Brady does it differently. He doesn’t stomp his feet like a toddler, scream his head off at his coach and blame even his own mistakes on others.

    The big difference is he holds his players accountable…he doesn’t blame them. Winston blames EVERYONE ELSE for every mistake made, even his own. It is never his fault.

    Frankly, 87, your inability to see this brings your maturity into question.

  43. Buc1987 Says:

    Anyone that watched Oregon games towards the end of the season would know how many times college FB commentators talked about how quiet Mariota is and they wondered whether it would translate well in the NFL.

    YES it was being talked about while he was IN college. That he’s just one of the guys. They also said it’s something that he’s been trying to work on while he’s been at college.

    This is not some new revelation…watch MORE college football.

  44. Buc1987 Says:

    Apparently Bonzai didn’t watch too many Oregon games….

  45. bucs4lyfe Says:


    not trying to be insulting but are you a woman? being accused only matters to people in the spotlight basically rich people and sports athletes because it’s something to debate but you honestly think for the everyday person that being accused of rape makes you guilty and you shouldn’t be allowed to work in your profession or go first overall because your one of the best? not saying that’s what you meant but

    All it takes to be accused of rape is sexual act. could be your girlfriend, one night stand it could be your wife it doesn’t matter and your trying to say that every single person in the world that’s accused of rape is guilty by association. that’s ridiculous….no one as ever been exonerated of rape, I would never accuse that woman of being robin givens type of gold digger but at the same time THE BRIAN BANKS STORY IS REAL meaning proof that women do lie and men lose their life because of these types of lies

  46. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    87, I have watched at least 18 Oregon games in the last few months…probably many more than you. I watched an equal number of FSU games to be fair.

    I know more about these two QBs than you do.

    And your problem has always been that you listen to the opinions of others instead of making drawing your own conclusions based on educated observation. You’ve done this since Josh Freeman.

    You listen to talk show hosts. You listen to play by play guys. You listen to blog posters and commenters. You listen to defensive players who claim to know all about quarterbacks. You listen to quarterbacks who bombed in the NFL (Shaun King). You listen to nerds who watch a couple games on each player per year (and who also listen to the opinions of others) and then you go with the popular opinion.

    Once you decide, you latch onto it and stay with it. You don’t actually bother analyzing film. And don’t lie and say you do, because if you did, you would see Winston’s faults.

  47. Chef Paul Says:

    All these examples of leaders that do NOT fit Mariota’s personality. I’ve yet to see someone point out a great leader that is nervous every where he goes. I’ve yet to see someone point out a leader that says um and uh 52 times in a 6 minute interview.

    There is a HUGE difference between quiet humility and a nervous fraidy cat.

  48. Buc1987 Says:

    BuccaneerBonzai : I leave it up to the people in-the-know to break the film down for me. For they know a helluva lot more than you and I do, but go ahead and think otherwise.

  49. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


    You are misunderstand me. I am not stating Winston is guilty. In the court of law, Winston is (supposedly) innocent until proven guilty (although it often does not work that way).

    But in the court of public opinion, he is guilty UNLESS proven innocent. Not charges dropped. I am merely stating this simple fact, and I can prove it.

    When word leaked out that he might not attend the draft, within a couple days, what was the (rumored) reason that was leaked? That the NFL asked him not to attend because of the fear of protestors.

    Now, I personally do not believe that is true. I don’t think the NFL would do that. However, someone created that rumor, did they not? And the media felt there was meat behind it, did they not?

    Which means there are plenty of people who doubt that Winston is innocent, even if the charges were dropped. Even if a judge says there isn’t enough proof.

    So, do you really think that the locker room is immune to such feelings? That every players in that locker room is immune to such doubts?

    Come on now…get real.

  50. bucs4lyfe Says:

    it’s society way of putting blinders on….this JW rape accusation blew up simply because he’s a guy, they even did a story about college campus rape interviewing the female but JW is nowhere around to defend himself even though she cant prove the allegations…..you know what happened with brian banks? im not saying Winston is innocent but not all women are either and by no means should JW be judged guilty because ray rice and greg hardy. theres no video and no guilty verdict

    Wanetta Gibson accused Banks in 2002 when the two attended Long Beach (Calif.) Poly High, where Banks was a star prep prospect. Banks was convicted of rape, lost his USC scholarship and landed in jail, and Gibson sued the Long Beach Unified School District for being unsafe and won a $1.5 million judgment.

    Gibson later confessed that she lied and Banks was released in 2012. Gibson must repay a $750,000 settlement to the LBUSD plus attorney fees, interest and more than $1 million in punitive damages

  51. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    All I’m saying is that Winston is not a proven leader and he will not be one for at least a few years.

    If he behaves like an angel off the field, treats people and players with respect on and off the field, and does well as an NFL quarterback, THEN he will be in a position to become a respected leader.

    But he will have to prove himself, and Winston has more hurdles to overcome in that regard than Mariota does, because of his past.

  52. lions Says:

    That fraidy cat has won numerous awards including the Manning award and has distinguished football career at Oregon. I’ll take that for our No. 1 pick. You don’t win those award being a fraidy cat Chef.

  53. Buc1987 Says:

    “That fraidy cat has won numerous awards including the Manning award”

    The same award Jameis won the year before….

  54. Chef Paul Says:

    “You don’t win those award being a fraidy cat Chef.”

    Well Mariota is a walking talking example of how that sentence is wrong.

  55. bucs4lyfe Says:

    ok alright this is insane if you want to argue MM is a better player that’s fine but how in the world are you going to argue that a quiet leader is better than a vocal leader who only lost one game in his college career, none of you know nothing about these players because college career but atleast I know Winston started in high school, MM well he didn’t start at college, i’d rather sign the guy who put MM on the bench lol. that’s like saying brian urlacher for instance is better leader than ray lewis or tom brady outspoken leaders have the championships

  56. Tiny Tim Says:

    Lions says:

    Winston well his off the field exploits was ruining his on the field leadership as word got out that his teammates were tired of his antics.


    Oh please provide proof. I hate when posters lie to try and validate their point. Stop dreaming man and lying. You look stupid.

  57. delson Says:

    Mariota is humble. Quiet n respective to others off the field but look at his energy n the way he plays on the field. Talk about how winston almost got benched because he was about to lose for the first time n how that will affect him in tampa where u have the oppurtunity to pile up losses. Personality on the sidelines in the interviews in the locker room makes ur newspapers n blogs pop. But if we aren’t winning on the field then there is nothing to write about except for damn that bad apple rotted out this team. Mariota could give lovie n licht at LEAST 2 years whereas people are saying one morebad season n lovie is gone. Winston n the rest of our team will have to deal with new coaches. We are the new browns. New coaches every 2 years. New visions but always the same results because fans n owners don’t have patience.

  58. Tiny Tim Says:

    Lion Says:

    . Brady was deemed too soft his first years


    Stop it. you are killing me now. Please show me where Brady was considered too soft. He won a superbowl his first year starting and people started to compare him to Montana because of how he performed in the clutch. Once again, stop lying to validate your argument and proved proof. You continuously look stupid. Stop it already.

  59. pick6 Says:

    BuccaneerBonzai: “The team is going to look at an accused rapist as a leader?”

    Everybody is a potential accused rapist. a potential accused anything, really. all it takes is the allegation, not the act. this is why there is a system dedicated to determining the merit of accusations. anybody who read up on the process would understand why it is unfair to anybody to hold an accusation that did not even yield a charge against a person, despite no shortage of scrutiny and public pressure.

  60. Tiny Tim Says:

    BuccaneerBonzai says;

    All I’m saying is that Winston is not a proven leader and he will not be one for at least a few years.


    Lets just ignore that FSU football players stated that Winston was the leader as a true freshman while EJ manuel was still the starting QB. Lets just ignore the FSU baseball team rave about his leadership. Lets just ignore the fact that every coach from junior high/high school both football and baseball rave about his leadership. Lets ignore the fact that teachers from his classes rave about how this guy will chime in when the students aren’t participating enough in order to spark dialogue. Lets ignore all of that because Buccaneerbonzai says he is not a leader who has never met Jameis in his life. FYI,… just because you type something, does not make it true. But I will let the fact that he is not a leader be your little secret. lol

  61. Pickgrin Says:

    I see Bonzai is on a roll talking out his a$$ again….

  62. Tiny Tim Says:

    See all of the articles and mock drafts that have Winston dropping in the draft due to his leadership skills and his sideline antics? NFL teams really have a problem with how he behaves with his teammates. Maybe its because you posters are not on the sideline where you think he is throwing a tantrum. The scouts know he was just rallying the troops in order to make them feel they could still win a game in which they were down by 21 points. Maybe he is dropping in the draft because nfl teams love his never say die attitude. Maybe he is dropping in the draft because he actually shows he gives a damn about winning. I am so glad he is dropping all the way to the #1 pick in the draft. Maybe the bucs will be so lucky that he is still on the board when it is their time to pick.

  63. tmaxcon Says:

    Down Goes Bonzi…

    Dude you really have a weak argument you are closer to barry than you realize… give it rest with your jameis bs

    also really, you going to play that card mr lombardi.. LOL.. “I know qb better than you” too funny. it’s almost recess… lay off the chocolate milk.

  64. bucs4lyfe Says:

    you guys flip flop more than lovie smith and you have no idea what to say or what your talking about…..so at the combine and his interview Winston was to outspoken and bold in his speech but now after you’ve forgotten that complaint he’s no leader even though he was also being himself. all I know is mariotta put me to sleep at his interview and his is just as boring as mike glennon. having said that I would be all in on mariotta if not for the fact that even mark sanchez did in 9 games what I took mike glennon 13 games to do. that system doesn’t need mariotta to thrive mariotta needed that system

  65. Buccfan37 Says:

    Include in Winston’s contract that if he ever blows up at the coaching staff, his contract is null and void. I know he would’nt sign it.

  66. Jeagan1999 Says:

    Mariota’s former coaches and team mates have nothing but positive things to say about his attitude and leadership as the Ducks QB. In fact, here are some of the words and phrases I found in articles written about him:

    ”unflappable”, “confident”, “he has the pulse of the team”, “always calm, even when we are losing”, “a true leader”, “never gets rattled”, “consistent”, “a competitor”, “makes playing QB look effortless”….these are all things Mariota’s coaches and players said about him, during his 3yrs as the Ducks starting QB (leading Oregon to a 36-5 record in 41 career starts)

    So let’s see….who should we believe here, the coaches and players who know him best? Or the dolts who comment on this website that wouldn’t know true leadership if it jumped up and bit them in the a**?

    Think I’ll go with the first group!

  67. ADown88 Says:


    You are lost right now. You really think players aren’t going to like Winston because he was accused of rape?? Not a chance in hell.

    Also, Winston is a better leader, everyone knows it. Look at what Alterraun Verner said.

    “It’s tough. I probably like Winston, from a lot of stuff I’ve been hearing, a lot of things I’ve been seeing and things like that,” he said. “It’s hard for me to go 100 percent there, because I haven’t seen him really play. I’m going more on hearsay and things around. From his leadership qualities, that’s what I’ve been hearing a lot. As a quarterback, you want to have that strong leader in the locker room and on the field. Somebody you know you can go out and you feel like you can do anything. From what I hear, that’s the type of guy Jameis is. Like I said, the other options are good, too.”

  68. Buc1987 Says:

    I admire all these people arguing about MM and his abilities. Perhaps you should go find a Jets or Rams blog and let them know just how great he is. Because he’s not coming here.

  69. BoltIsle Says:

    What exactly is the difference between what Jameis’ teammates say about him compared to what Mariota’s say about Marcus? Is anyone really surprised that both are highly recommended by their teammates?

    I prefer Winston because Mariota hasn’t shown he can lead a team from behind. Ohio State smacked them early and everyone knew it was over. Luckily for Marcus, third time was the charm against Arizona.

    Barry, Bonzai, Erik and Sam talking about quality QB play and leadership is like listening to Benny Hill/Greg Schiano talk about how to be a successful NFL football coach.

    #BarryisaCarThief, #DP #HGH #PEDs #BrainDead

  70. LargoBuc Says:

    We need a quarterback to go strong. To hold everyone on the team to the highest of standards. A vocal, charismatic leader. Something we never got from Freeman, Glennon or Mccown.

  71. Jeagan1999 Says:

    Buc1987…perhaps you should go start your own Jameis Winston fanboy site if you are so intimidated by other Bucs fans having a different point of view than yours?

  72. Buc1987 Says:

    Jeagan1999 …I have no problem with you wasting your time on a guy that’s not going to be picked by the Bucs…

    Carry on.

    Come back tomorrow and do it again.

  73. grafikdetail Says:

    “I admire all these people arguing about MM and his abilities. Perhaps you should go find a Jets or Rams blog and let them know just how great he is. Because he’s not coming here.” ROFL!!!!

  74. ddneast Says:

    JoeJoesFungi, if you really feel that way about the NFL, the let me suggest a season pass to the Magic games. While viewing, you can wallow in the beauty of the 3 point shot and the slam dunk, since those are the two primary “plays” of the NBA.
    Cubans remarks were painted with fear of what the NFL’s expanded TV coverage would do to his leagues meager viewership.

  75. delson Says:

    We can bring up tom brady too. He wasn’t drafted ready to start u can even say he didn’t earn his leadership until he played!

  76. JBuc Says:

    Bonzai: when did Jameis blame others for his mistakes? Also, not sure why you are so hung up with him yelling at his coach in college. Did Jimbo say it was a problem? Shows me the guy is invested. He wants to win. He has skin in the game. We need that here. Not some milk toast guy who just runs whatever play they flash on their poster board.

  77. Buc1987 Says:

    Jimbo and Winston had an understanding. If Winston was yelling at the coach, there was a damn good reason for it and I’m sure the next day they went over the tape and saw that he was right.

    His football IQ is off the charts…

  78. Tiny Tim Says:

    Not some milk toast guy who just runs whatever play they flash on their poster board.


    Too funny lol.

  79. Erik with CleanAthletics.com Says:

    Winston has as much bust potential as pretty much any player ever… Way more bust potential than MM.

  80. Buc1987 Says:

    Poster boards lol I call them flash cards.

  81. Tiny Tim Says:

    Erik with CleanAthletics.com Says:

    March 23rd, 2015 at 4:30 pm

    Winston has as much bust potential as pretty much any player ever… Way more bust potential than MM.


    Yea, the QB that is a project and you don’t know if he can translate to the nfl is less of a risk than the more pro-ready qb. That makes perfect sense. Thanks for that Bill Polian.

  82. Zam Says:

    Yeah because McCown worked out so well…

  83. Buc1987 Says:

    The anti-Winston’s sound like Charlie Brown’s parents to me at this stage.

    Wah, wah, wah, waha, waha…

  84. Uranus Johnson Says:

    Shaun King? Why not just solicit an opinion from some bums living beneath an overpass on I-4?

  85. ddneast Says:

    Bonzai, as I have said before, if the stories are true, I wish Josh Freeman had a big enough set to get into Schiano’s face. If he had, we might not be in need of a new QB.

  86. MTM Says:

    Leadership is about respect. If players don’t respect their offensive leader it typically doesn’t work.

  87. MTM Says:

    This is the same King who said you if you draft Winston you go in with the assumption that he will have some off the field issues that may cause some suspensions. Yeh that screams leadership.

  88. Matt Says:

    All I know is MM certainly scared off lot of his own fans when he said I dk t care if I don’t go # 1 . That’s a big deal , like since when did the top prospects in the NFL draft not care about going #1 . I mean I get he don’t wanna stress it he wants too lay back and enjoy when his name gets called regardless of where or when that is. He needs too care more and try too care more about being the #1 pick. I’m not even so sure he wants too be in TB, his pics at RJ stadium he wasn’t even smiling . He didn’t look all that happy. Where as Winston was cheering and excited to be there ! He even made claims of hoping too be the #1 pick and throwing too Vincent Jackson next year. Mariota never made any kind of remarks like that. He got close too Winston at the combine and ever since he just seemed like he’s given up .

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