Big Day For Marcus Mariota

March 16th, 2015
Bucs general manager Jason Licht and Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota share a laugh during Marota's visit to One Buc Palace today. Photo courtesy of

Bucs general manager Jason Licht and Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota share a laugh during Mariota’s visit to One Buc Palace. Photo courtesy of

Joe talks to NFL folks from time to time, specifically guys who get paid by NFL teams to scout and/or develop players. Very few of these guys are overly fond of Marcus Mariota.

This is why you rarely read or hear of Jameis Winston falling in the draft, despite his lessening bad boy reputation. Almost daily, Joe reads or hears or sees a report that has Mariota falling to the Jets, or even falling far enough for his former coach, Eagles boss Chip Kelly, to trade up to get him.

You never — or least, rarely — read of Winston falling in the draft.

(If Joe had as many folks telling him Mariota is a better pick than Winston as Joe hears that Winston is better than Mariota, then Joe would be driving the Mariota Gang’s bus. No more complex than that.)

Pat Yasinskas of ESPN also hears Winston is likely headed to Tampa Bay. He wrote how Mariota must hit a proverbial home run today at One Buc Palace if he is to leapfrog Winston.

Can he make the transition to a pro-style system?

That’s what the Bucs have to find out. They got a look at Mariota’s skills at his pro day. By most accounts of people who were there, Mariota had a good, but not great, workout. If he is going to surpass Winston in the eyes of the Bucs, Mariota needs to use this visit and the private workout to show he has what it takes to be a pocket passer. He needs to show he can handle a huddle.

The odds are that Winston still will end up being the choice. But Mariota is getting his shot to change the Bucs’ mind.

Joe hears something akin to what college basketball fans are asking: If you had to gamble who would win the national championship next month, would it be Kentucky or the field?

For the Bucs, it isn’t Winston vs. Mariota. It is Winston or the field (non-quarterbacks)?

167 Responses to “Big Day For Marcus Mariota”

  1. gulfcoast Says:

    His “spider 2Y banana” sesh with Gruden didnt paint a great picture, although Ive only seen a few minutes of it. Im not so sure MM even paid attention…. was he awake? Did they voice over MM’s “yeah” responses? Was he doodling? Go Bucs.

  2. cmurda Says:

    It will be Winston. You lost miserably with Johnny Football. I should say you and I. I was driving the Johnny bus too. Perhaps it was my desperation for a franchise QB? This year however, we all win. Winston is the selection and even the most devout Winston haters are better for it. This guy can close games. We have the pieces in place to hang in games but what we couldn’t do last year is close games. We got our closer coming in in about a month and I’m pumped. I just toasted my celebratory beer.

  3. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    Wow, just watched that Gruden clip….that was painful to watch. Mariota has A LOT of work to do….had no freaking clue what Chucky was talking about

  4. Buc1987 Says:

    It’s not EVEN close!

    Look I read stuff about Winston all over the net all day long…and night sometimes.

    Which is why I can without a doubt say that he’s going to be the pick.

    It’s the rest of you that have to catch up….

  5. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    “That is what Joe is hearing about the Bucs and the No. 1 pick. It isn’t Winston vs. Mariota. It is, will it be Winston or the field (non-quarterbacks)?”

    I suspect Joe doesn’t like the sound of that…..wouldn’t Joe prefer Winston or Mariota? Not the field…

  6. cmurda Says:

    Good point TBBF. There’s no way Lovie drafts L Will or anybody else though. As much as he might like to, I can’t imagine his job being safe if we are 4-12 next year or whatever and still have no QB.

  7. The Real Malloy Says:

    Any thoughts on Hundley people? He looks pretty decent to me…and we could get him in the 2nd or 3rd…let him sit behind the cannon. Trade back and bolster the line for 10 years. Im a Mariota guy…but I do find him interesting….

  8. Buc1987 Says:

    Malloy…I liked Hundley early in the season. He will have to sit awhile though, just like Mariota.

    I just love college football. Much more than pros.

    I don’t like scrambling QB’s in the pros, but I do like the scramblers in college.

  9. lions Says:

    Really hear that about Manziel too. Not a Winston fan so if not Mariota which I think they are foolish not to do then Leonard Williams from USC who has faced much adversity and didn’t go the Winston route. but can’t imagine losing that last game with basically Drew Brees seemingly trying to throw the game with terrible interceptions and the Bucs doing what they can to lose as well for the number #1 pick. At that time Winston was still staying in school so everyone knew the pick would be Mariota. You don’t hear about Winston falling in the draft, no one wants to take that risk only this dysfunctional franchise make that choice.

  10. Bill Says:

    @The Real Malloy,

    Maybe you’re being thorough and objective, just make sure you’re not going out of your way to avoid the obvious good move.

    Winston makes a lot of sense.

  11. OB Says:

    We saw that the GM met with Marcus, did Lovie, Koettor, and/or the QB coach meet and spend time with him? Did they spend time with Winston?

  12. Andrew 1 Says:

    Just got dont watching the replay of the FSU vs. Notre Dame game because I admittedly missed most of this year’s college football season because of work. It did nothing to change my mind about Winston, and if anything made me even more confident that Winston should be the pick. The guy is just amazing, he’s got everything you look for in a franchise QB. The one knock on him is that he can be over confident at times and force the ball when he should just get rid of it, but that’s something he can get better at. The thing that he does the best, imo, is anticipate his throws. Thats something he really excels at, and its something that Freeman and other past bucs QB really struggled with. IMO its a no brainer that Winston should be the pick, BUT to be fair i’m going to go back a replay one of Mariota’s games and see what he’s all about, even though its probably unnecessary. Also am not factoring in either of these QB’s character, only there abilities as QBs.

  13. gotbbucs Says:

    This is what I’ve been saying for a while now. It’s not between Winston and Mariota, it’s between Winston and this years crop of pass rushers, but there really isn’t a prototype 4-3 defensive end at the top of this draft.

    Leonard Williams is not going to be the pick, my personal opinion is that he’s highly over-rated and he’s more a 5-tech in a 3-4. Randy Gregory would be the only one that I think could possibly sniff going that high but he would have to start out as a nickel rusher until he bulked up 15 lbs. at least.
    I don’t really think it’s much of a question really who the pick will be at this point.

  14. No qb in 1st Says:

    Still believe if we can’t trade the pick we should draft Williams Him and McCoy together would give us a top 5 defense . Regardless if we draft a qb 1st glennon gives us the best chance to win now. Grab Williams’s, the best OL and grab petty to sit behind MG8 and I believe we could win 10 games. Personally I understand the importance of a franchise qb and just don’t belive theirs one in this draft. Although I will support regardless of our choice

  15. Buc1987 Says:

    “The one knock on him is that he can be over confident at times and force the ball when he should just get rid of it, but that’s something he can get better at.”

    Andrew then we’re both seeing the same things…

  16. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ 87

    And I would also add that his mechanics do at times break down, BUT he has the arm strength and accuracy to overcome anything mechanics related. His arm is talented enough to overcome those issues.

  17. OneBuC55 Says:

    If Winston wasn’t in this draft, I’d be jumping up and down for Mariota but…
    Reality is, Mariota is the 2nd best QB in this draft…Winston is the consensus #1 and he hasn’t even had his pro-day yet; no telling what kind of show he’ll put on there…

    If the draft was today and I was GM I’d go…

    R1. Jameis Winston (QB) – FSU
    R2. T.J. Clemmings (OT) – Pittsburgh
    R3. A.J. Cann (OG) – South Carolina
    R3. (Trade up) Lorenzo Mauldin (DE) – Louisville
    R5. Stefon Diggs (WR/KR) – Maryland
    R6. Quandre Diggs (CB) – Texas

  18. Eric Says:

    Good for Marcus.

    And kudos to the Bucs for obviously taking great care with the selection.

    Go Bucs.

  19. ddneast Says:

    I saw part of Mariotta’s “pro day” and I’m still trying to figure out why throwing the ball to undefended receivers represents any type of professional activity.
    Why not just play checkers against yourself and crown yourself champ.
    No offense to Mariotta because I know all teams call this “pro day,” but really, what a joke.
    And to imagine Terry Bridgewater dropped in the draft and cost himself a lot of money because of one of these dog and pony shows.

  20. Skyline Crew Says:

    Hopefully they signed him and gave him a playbook. Mariota welcome to Tampa.

  21. Buc1987 Says:

    Andrew…I’ve always said he’s got a problem with over confidence. Don’t notice the mechanics thingy, because like you said his arm is good enough to overcome those issues and all I care about is whether the ball gets to the right spot.

  22. Buc1987 Says:

    ddneast…yes but did he see Bridgewaters pro day?

    It was atrocious to say the least.

  23. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    OK so it’s a slam dunk the Bucs are going to sign Fameis. After showing MM or perhaps Koetter’s friend Helfridge the proper respect of at least seriously checking out MM the Bucs are then free to sign the wild child.

    IF that is their plan, and I’m persuaded by the mounting evidence, they should sign Fameis immediately. If they can’t trust him to stay out of trouble now how could they trust him after the actual draft. So that shouldn’t be an issue.

    However they could kill two birds with that one stone. Get Fameis to Tampa and let him hook up with Evans, VJAX and ASF to begin working on timing and feel.
    Hook him up with Koetter so Fameis knows the playbook cold, or at minimum what kind of offense Koetter is planning.

    And finally it removes this absurd caterwauling over Fameis skipping New York.
    If the Bucs have already signed him the NFL won’t miss him because all the drama would then go to the second choice.

    We’ve had enough drama with MRSA etc. Let’s just get Fameis signed.

  24. ddneast Says:

    Is there a Roy Gibson, Nick Price, Kyle Moore, Adrian Clayborn or Daquan Bowers available.
    All five high end draft picks from the Dummy and now barely playin for someone else.
    How can someone be so wrong about so many players in such a short period of time.
    I mean the one player he hit on, Gerald McCoy was a virtual lock. My sister could have made that pick.
    My teeth hurt every time I think of that pretty boy yuppie playing grown up GM and being in charge of the draft.

  25. LargoBuc Says:

    If Mariota is going to be the Bucs choice, he needs to really step up. He cant just go in there and answer all of the cookie cutter questions with average answers. He needs to sit everyone down and plan on how he along with Lovie, Dirk and Jason are going to transform this franchise and what he plans to bring to the table to make this franchise a winner. That’s how he can seperate himself from the other potential quarterbacks and help turn this ship around.

  26. Jman Says:

    I wish we drafted Teddy

  27. ddneast Says:

    No Buc1987 but I heard the same thing. I just barely caught the Mariotta pro day and when I saw what it consisted of, I had a good laugh and changed the network to the a Golf Channel.
    They were,playing the Masters and only John Daly was competing. Guess who won.

  28. Andrew 1 Says:

    The only reason I could understand why people don’t want him as QB is because they don’t want him as a person. Because if we’re just judging him as a QB, there is absolutely no denying his abilities to be an amazing QB. Quite possible the best QB we’ve ever had.

    I would also like to know from the Mariota fans, what would be the one game a person should that was Mariota’s best game this past college football season? I would like to watch it.

  29. BFFL Says:

  30. Buc1987 Says:

    lol ddneast

  31. Stanglassman Says:

    So much for the often used MM supporters talking point that nobody wants Jameis if he get passed the 1st pick.

    St. Pete BF-Congrats. You are finally coming around albeit very reluctantly. BTW The NFL draft is in Chicago this year.

  32. Bucfan4life Says:

    Gulf coast and creamsicle where did you find the Gruden clip? Couldn’t find it on youtube

  33. Stanglassman Says:

    Go to Google and type in Mariota and Gruden. Or Spider 2 y Banana

  34. Joe Says:

    Is there a Roy Gibson, Nick Price, Kyle Moore, Adrian Clayborn or Daquan Bowers available.

    🙂 Wrong GM.

  35. HarlemBuc Says:

    Wake me up when he leaves… But he’s so “polite and well mannered” maybe he will leave a note… Or he can just say “please don’t pick me, I’m timid and not a leader that can change the perception of your franchise.”

  36. Erik with Says:


    Just like last year with Johnny, you & Joe will be proven wrong.

  37. Skyline Crew Says:

    Gruden is showing Mariota a play. Nothing to see there since we see it all the time. Trying to make something out of nothing.

  38. WS99 Says:

    I like this Harlembuc guy. Welcome my friend. #realrecognizereal

  39. gatorbuc Says:

    Founding member of the ” Trade Down Crowd” here for those of you that don’t know me. I have come to accept that it is not much of a possibility anymore. Nobody is looking up to trade for Winston and unless Tennessee , who had Nine members at Mariota’s pro day, wants to switch with us to get Mariota then Im pretty sure we would take Winston in that scenario. I can’t see passing either of these QBs after careful evaluation unless the Professionals that the Bucs pay said that they have a problem feeling that Winston’s character issues will continue.
    I guess what I’m really saying is that from a non biased point of view I can’t figure out why anyone but FSU fans would really care what the choice is. We are going to take a QB and none of us can control it. On Field I think both of them will be above average at least. THAT makes this Bucs fan happy

  40. WS99 Says:

    gulfcoast Says:
    March 16th, 2015 at 5:39 pm
    His “spider 2Y banana” sesh with Gruden didnt paint a great picture, although Ive only seen a few minutes of it. Im not so sure MM even paid attention…. was he awake? Did they voice over MM’s “yeah” responses? Was he doodling? Go Bucs.


    1) if MM doesn’t know strong right 276 bannana then he’s in major trouble.
    2) gruden should have just held up a pic of Kermit sippin tea cuz that’s all MM knows. MM body language was saying – gruden trying to teach me a play BUT THATS NONE OF MY BUSINESS THOUGH…
    3) Hudley looks much more prepared than MM. Seems to me like Hundley is a hybrid of JW and MM. After the MM vid there was a vid of hudley at grudens camp and that vid was much more impressive than mr. Uhm yea.

  41. Phillip Says:

    “The one knock on him is that he can be over confident at times and force the ball when he should just get rid of it, but that’s something he can get better at.”

    Sounds like Jay Cutler is on line one.. Stafford on line 2.. Let me know which one stopped doing that..

    Those aren’t they only knocks either… Pitcher in college(closer at that), Hello off the field incidents what I’m counting 7? Okay just checking they haven’t increased.. Just a couple other “knocks” on him..

  42. Bill Says:


    I am also at a loss for why someone would make anything of the Gruden clip. I saw nothing that made me like or dislike MM anymore than I already did. It’s worthless…..but I do look forward to the full length episode.

  43. Bill Says:


    Would you mind naming the 7 incidents?

  44. Phillip Says:

    Not really needed when you have Google and almost every draft “expert” out there saying that do we now?

  45. Phillip Says:

    But here you go… Whether they are true or not doesn’t matter.. How many other top QB prospects were taken 1st overall with this many incidents? Or better yet how many potential NFL players have been in this many situations and been drafted let alone 1st overall

  46. Bill Says:

    I count 5.

    Rape accusation
    BB gun
    Crab legs
    Union outburst

    I’m just wondering what the other 2 are? Tell me.

  47. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Phillip

    You must have missed the part where I said “not factoring in either of these QB’s character, only there abilities as QBs.” Like I said before, its obvious that the people who dont want Winston are blinded by their dislike for the guy as a person. If they were just going by his ability alone it would be clear to them that Winston is franchise QB material.

  48. Bill Says:

    Oh, I think I get it. You counted 7 instances in an article. Did you read them?

  49. Phillip Says:

    I have no problem with him as a person as I don’t know him personally… I have stated numerous times on here that I don’t think he is a better prospect than Mariota(Poor man’s Big Ben vs Poor man’s Russell Wilson).. I also meant that quote to include 87’s comments… Apologies 🙂

  50. Bryce Says:

    Draft day surprise Sam Bradford Demarco Murray the Eagles 20th pick this year and a pick next year.

  51. Phillip Says:

    Bill that was the first article that popped up.. Mel Kiper constantly states that there are currently 7 off the field incidents.. I’m gonna take his word as he works for ESPN and isn’t allowed to slander people most likely if ESPN wants to keep their rights to cover the NFL.. So if you want him to be the source go for it… I don’t care to read about the kid because I don’t care what he did off the field as I just stated above I don’t think he is a better prospect period.

  52. MTM Says:

    The Gruden quarterback camp. Has that bullsh&t ever done anything for anybody. I couldn’t listen to Gruden for 5 minutes. I mute MNF.

  53. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Phillip

    “as a person” or “character concerns”, you know what I mean. You say those things dont bother you and your whole point was, and I quote “How many other top QB prospects were taken 1st overall with this many incidents?” Not to mention you exaggerated how many incidents there actually were. please put the hate away.

  54. Andrew 1 Says:

    Doesn’t matter either way Phillip, your going to have to accept it when we draft him, not me. Good luck with that.

  55. Barry Bryan Joel all agree Says:

    If it’s not Mariota then it’s L.Williams if they keep the pick. Philadelphia trade makes most sense, Bradford-Alonso-draft picks. Winston and Mariota just aren’t franchise QBs. Jimmy Johnson and Belicheat would trade the pick. Don’t forget, Glazers are very hesitant concerning Winston and this is their decision not Smith nor Lichts. Joe should be able to confirm the Glazers feelings on Winston. Most Executives and GMs pass on Winston, correct Joe?

  56. Bill Says:


    I’ll let you walk it back. If you’re gonna quote Kiper, then quote Kiper. I’m a Nole, a Buc fan, and a Winston supporter. His poor decisions are real, and talking about them is fair. Pretending he’s done more than he has?…that’s bush league.

  57. Phillip Says:

    That’s for all the people who are sooooooooooooooo sure he is going to be the number one pick and it’s a factual statement if you can tell me when that has happened before please do.. ONCE again MEL KIPER has been on the record NUMEROUS times stating there have been 7 OFF THE FIELD INCIDENTS.. I didn’t exaggerate anything.. So follow blindly and not see his ON THE FIELD flaws.. I honestly haven’t read one single article about his off the field stuff.. The media can spin things any which way they want to and I’m not down for that… I counted the number of dates on that website and figured those are what Kiper is talking about no I didn’t even read the first line either.. I couldn’t tell you the name of the girl or when it supposedly happened.. The only thing I know he did was get up and yell fhritp(popular youtube video).. This is why I don’t sit there and say he is a horrible person or say I can’t stand him as a person as I don’t know anything about his off the field stuff.. He could be 100 percent innocent in every incident but guess what the only thing he isn’t innocent of is being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Now if that’s hate Idk what to tell you.

  58. Clint Says:

    I think it would be wise to draft the Marshall kid late out of Auburn to be Winston’s long term back up like the skins did with Rg3. He could stick around longer than some bad safety we would end up cutting

  59. Bill Says:


    Give me a source of Kiper saying that. If it’s so numerous, it should be easy.

  60. Elle Says:

    I never had a preference between Mariota and Winston until today. Gruden’s clip means nothing to me, but the interview he released on Buccaneers Insider deeply disturbed me. He said that going first in the draft isn’t a huge thing for him. While I understand why he would say that, I really don’t like his overall demeanor. I mean, I prefer Winston’s fire, he made it very clear that he wants to be first and he wants to play for the Buccaneers. Hearing Mariota talking to the press, I don’t feel the same energy. Makes me think he’d rather play for someone else, maybe he’s even hoping not to get drafted first so he has a chance to play for Chip in Philly. To me, that kind of attitude is cause of concern, even more so than Winston’s juvenile antics. That said, I could be totally wrong. I don’t really know Mariota in person, so I truly hope for him that what comes across on the video IS NOT his true personality.

  61. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Phillip

    Ok, now you’re not even making any sense, lol. you say I’m “following blindly” and “not seeing his on the field flaws” when I clearly said he has overconfidence at times and has break downs in his mechanics when he is pressured. So again, how am I “following blindly”? dude, you are so full of it. Hope you can continue being a bucs fan once we draft him. That’s all I’m going to say.

  62. Barry Bryan Joel all agree Says:

    Do Not downplay the upcoming civil rape trial, the Glazers are very aware of it. Remember it’s about the brand. We’re not talking Luck talent here with these guys.

  63. Zam Says:

    Has Lovie ever once done what everybody expects him to? The more “experts” say Winston, the more likely it’s Mariota.

    He wants a mobile QB who won’t go bat-shoot crazy some day.

    Don’t think the Glazers don’t know how f’d up the organization got by having a crazy man under center. The Freeman Fiasco has to be first and foremost in their minds when it comes to QB’s.

  64. Bill Says:


    Nevermind, if you’re going to acknowledge you don’t read anything, then none of this really matters. I’ll be content to ignore your opinion.

  65. Phillip Says:

    FFS Bill he has his own podcast with Dari if you want to go back and listen to them till you hear it for yourself you can.. I won’t be as I listen to them on Sunday or Monday.. Damn you are annoying.. He is also on another with Todd McShay..

    It doesn’t matter what ANYONE says apparently as you are gonna believe what you want regardless.. Just like MOST of the other FSU fanboys.. Get them blinders off

  66. Jman Says:

    I’m more and more intrihued by the idea of moving get back some and grabbing Hundley. Doesn’t have to be a Kings ransom. Someone may like a QUOTE or Linux Williams enough.

  67. Phillip Says:

    I stated from the get go it was meant to include 87’s quote of you… Since HE said that’s the only knock he sees on Jameis.. I didn’t read your whole comment as I was trying to quote his response.. That’s why I said apologies in the beginning.. If you see them as well good I’m glad I apologize again.

  68. Andrew 1 Says:

    You know what the funny part is, Im not even an FSU fan! lmao. I am however biased towards the better QB. But, I will be replaying some of Mariota’s games just for arguments sake.

  69. Jman Says:

    Qb or Leonard Williams. Wtf auto correct

  70. gatorbuc Says:

    You guys are So funny~ Thanks for making my Monday better.

  71. bucgator Says:

    Let me say it again.
    You guys are So funny. Thank you for making my Monday better

  72. Luther Says:

    Hundley has no accuracy at all. Grayson is the only guy outside of Mariota and Winston who has any kind of upside worth mentioning.

  73. Winston>Mariota Says:

    Does anyone know where I can get good crab legs in Tampa?

  74. Jman Says:


    Tebow had fire

    Meanwhile Eli and Russell appear bland.

  75. Phillip Says:

    Buc1987 Says:
    March 16th, 2015 at 6:30 pm
    “The one knock on him is that he can be over confident at times and force the ball when he should just get rid of it, but that’s something he can get better at.”

    Andrew then we’re both seeing the same things…

    This is misleading as you are implying that’s the only knock you see.. This is the only part of the quote I read and meant to quote.. See where I’m coming from? If not oh well

  76. Jman Says:

    Grayson can sling it. No doubt

  77. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Buc1987 Says
    “Andrew…I’ve always said he’s got a problem with over confidence. Don’t notice the mechanics thingy…”

    First, I want to repeat what I said weeks ago. Winston will most likely be the pick. Even though I want Mariota, I am seriously trying to accept Winston. However…

    …how can ANYONE not “notice the mechanics thingy”??!

    The dude has the wind up, he throws sideways half the time, throws off his back foot and throws with his front foot twisted almost backward at times (did it in the Rose Bowl!). He stares down his WRs like a madman, which has convinced me is the reason his windows were tight and his picks high.

    And, of course, he gets reckless when facing a substantial pass rush. Thank god teams don’t do that in the NFL.

    Go ahead. Watch ANY of his games. Find one where he does not repeat these things on a regular basis. I won’t hold my breath, because I went back 18 games and finally gave up.

    With Winston, you don’t need a good offensive line…you need the best offensive line in history.

    And THAT is why I want Mariota. Because he’s mobile, but when he moves it is with the intent to open up passing opportunitities. His release is faster, and he throws smart.

    He’s got his own set of red flags, but to me, they are easier to overcome. Mariota is not a Tebow-type of mobile QB. He is a Russell type. And you know what else?

    Russell was considered quiet, reserved and shy as well.

  78. Jman Says:


    Year try the Mons or some of the establishments on Adamo/SR 60

    If that doesn’t work, hit up Nebraska Ave.

  79. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Phillip

    If that’s what is throwing you off, then I do apologize, it should read “one of the knocks.” There, how do you feel about Winston now? lol

  80. cmurda Says:


    Not this time. JF was a crapshoot last year. Fameis is undisputed.

  81. MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Says:


    Couldn’t agree more. Well said. I’ll be fine with Winston, and I think he will have a better rookie year than MM, but I like Mariota in the long run.

  82. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Matt Schaub released by the Raiders. Pocker passing vet that might be suitable to mentor Winston if picked? Thoughts?

  83. buggator Says:

    @Mariota or Winston or Walk Da Plank.
    What was your name before this season?

  84. iamkingsu Says:

    Everybody around me knows how I feel about this pick. They know this will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back for me as a fan. I set thru 6 years of this ish.

    They hired Rah I said who??????? Then they fired Rah. I said Zimmer! The bucs said Chip! Chip said I’m getting off this plane before it takes off.. The bucs said Schiavo! I said now why tf would you do that?? The word coming out of the nEw York metropolitan area was he couldn’t win the big one.

    They fire schiano I said zimmer again! The bucs says he doesn’t interview well! They bring in Lovie..I said cover 2 in 2014?? I admit Lovie grew on me throughout last year I believe in him.

    I saw Mariota play live I keep telling yall he’s not even a first round selection so he was never in the discussion for me. Anybody other than jameis at #1 will convince me the bucs aren’t interested in winning so I’ll find something better to do with my sundays

  85. Phillip Says:


    But he can take snaps from under center and runs a pro style offense lol..

    People forget how often QB’s are in the shotgun and the offenses they run are a hurry up spread type offense whether they are a running QB or not.. Falcon’s ran a no huddle hurry up style offense majority I remember in the shotgun..

    One of the things that worries me with Mariota is how long do people really think Koetter will be here for 2-3 years tops? We need to give this kid continuity and not make the same mistake as we did with Freeman and changing OC’s every year. I don’t trust our QB coach to be anything special either… If the Bucs are miserable again(like last in the NFL miserable) then we are probably sending Lovie down the road and getting a new coaching staff.. If he’s successful he will be instantly in line for HC gig. I think Mariota should sit this year and we should trot out a vet QB to run this offense this year or Glennon regardless of who we draft and that could bite us in the ass at the end of the day..

  86. MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Says:

    My name was always just “WalkdaPlank” but seeing as how badly we need a franchise QB and how there are 2 prospects that could possibly fit that mold I changed it to basically say that L&L should either pick Mariota or Winston or they should walk the plank. 🙂

  87. Buc1987 Says:

    Bonzai..idk he’s been in the league awhile. He’s had up and down times, he’s definitely better than McCown. He was a starter for the Texans awhile back and then it seemed as if everything fell apart for him.

    Was he the QB that Texans fans could not wait to get rid of? I think I remember something about fans sending hate mail or something or other.

  88. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ BB

    Yes, he does tend to get reckless with his mechanics but that’s mostly when he is being pressured. I dare you to find any QB with perfect mechanics when they are about to be sacked. And yet even with those poor mechanics he still finds a way to make an amazing play either with his arm or his feet the majority of the time. Other than that, when he has a clean pocket, he is money.

    To me, I’ve watched a little bit of Mariota, and he seems to be more of a system QB. That is to say, take him outside of that chip kelly/spread offense and he wont be nearly as affective. Not only that, but he just seemed to be a piece of the puzzle, rather than a leading factor of it. I get the exact opposite impression of Winston. just imo.

  89. buggator Says:

    Nice. Now I remember you. Lol. I guess either I don’t spend enough time here or my addition is pretty rusty

  90. Buc1987 Says:

    Phillip…but not the same hurry up in the NFL as Oregon though. What did they get the ball off every 3.2 seconds or something along those lines? That’s scary hurry up.

  91. Stpetebucsfan Says:


    C’mon guy. You know you love us. Richmond? Who would you root for? The Foreskins?

    I get your lust but it’s almost like saying if that girl doesn’t give it up tonight after all this time I’m never going to try and get laid again.

    You’re a Bucs fan. If you haven’t bailed by now you’ll stick with us! 🙂

  92. Andrew 1 Says:

    Even having said all that, I still won’t be disappointed one bit if the bucs decide to draft Mariota instead. After all they are the experts. Seriously doubt they will though.

  93. Phillip Says:

    Lol I’m glad you see some of the same issues that I see! I take your opinions/comments seriously and thoughtful unlike others on here.. No need to name names lol

    I honestly won’t ever change my opinion on Winston as a person as I don’t have one currently or will have one till there is concrete proof on the kid.. I don’t like that he was in the situations to begin with but I’m not a saint and that doesn’t sway my opinion of his on field play.. I don’t watch the news nor do I listen to ESPN, NFLN, or Fox Sports long enough to hear the drama or negativity as I personally try to avoid that stuff as much as possible in my life.

    I’m also a Michigan fan so I don’t have any Gator hate going on either.

  94. buggator Says:

    Truer words may have never been spoken SPBF

  95. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    All quarterbacks are system quarterbacks.

    If Dirk does well and the defense does not, the solution would then be to fire Lovie and make Dirk the head coach to keep him here. IF it comes to that.

    I would guess that, even if he does a fantastic job, that’s at least 2 years away.

  96. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ BB

    ok if dislike the the term system QB, then put him in a pro style offense, under center ( you know the style that we’ve been playing here since God knows how long) and he wont be nearly as affective as he is in a spread style offense. and please dont tell me that every team plays the spread style offense just because they get into shotgun on third and long. lol.

  97. Bill Says:


    Schaub would be a good pick up if we deal Glennon. I see no reason to deal Glennon. Draft a QB, keep Glennon, enjoy the year. At the years end Glennon is a FA and gets every chance he deserves.

  98. Phillip Says:

    It doesn’t matter if it’s 3.2 seconds or 20.. If they are in no huddle and the defense risks making a substitution and being down a man that is their call.. He’s not a finished product not even close. Hell the kid hasn’t even played a snap in the NFL or got into a professional weight and conditioning program and people act like this is all he can be. He isn’t Pat White or Denard Robinson.. He’s not Kaep or RGIII.. Sure it is easy to compare him to them because they are all “mobile” QB’s.. The kid is determined as hell to prove everyone wrong and I hope he does regardless of what team he goes to. Not to say the others weren’t but this kid has that quiet no BS demeanor like I just wanna ball and shut you up. He doesn’t need to flat out say I want to be the number one pick he’s respectable enough to know if they don’t select him then someone else will that believes in him. QB’s don’t need to talk the talk they need to walk the walk period.

    This is all my opinion obviously..

  99. Buc1987 Says:

    I like Bill’s plan.

  100. bucgator Says:

    And If Mariota IS in fact saying something veiled, it is ” I would rather go to a team that is only a QB away” ” I mean did you guys SEE your OL last yr?”

  101. NJBucsFan Says:

    Licht must be on that Shawn King diet

  102. Buc1987 Says:

    It really would be nice to know what kind of O Koetters going to run. That would tell us a lot, but we’re all in the dark on it.

    Phillip I respect your opinion.

  103. Clint Says:

    Gil Brandt weighs in (says Winston is a lock to Tampa after talking to Licht):

    I trust Gil about as much as anyone.

  104. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    Glennon has two year’s left on his rookie contract….so he will not be a FA at the end of 15…..he could be traded next year….

  105. Bill Says:


    Have you reverted to a past screen name?

    I’d like to think Koetter is a “real” OC, one who can craft an offense around the players he has. I think he is, so I’m not too worried about the pick. I think Koetter is the best off-season move we make. Scheme matters!

  106. RealkillersmoveinSilence Says:

    Um so what If he’s quiet and reserve 99% you here are bad mouthing Mariota from behind a keyboard lmfao. Mariota is Shinobi aka a Ninja warrior and silent assassin. Just because he’s not loud and rambunctious does not mean he can’t be a leader for years to come .

  107. Phillip Says:


    I don’t trust the Glazers to make a common sense decision.. This is the same Owners who fired Gruden which I agreed with(refusal to draft a legit QB, insisting on his over the hill FA players who were expensive) but had no plan for the HC once they went that route.. Then they panicked because another team was interviewing our newly promoted DB coach to DC was interviewing for a HC position with another team and quickly promoted him to HC.. Then we promote Dom to GM(no issue with that) but we do it after we get our HC instead of letting him pick the HC like they usually do.. They decide to draft JF5 in the 1st round(easily a 2nd round prospect) and I seriously believe if he wasn’t there we would have taken the next QB on this list in the 1st round that’s how bad the Bucs wanted a “franchise QB”. We go through OC’s like they are underwear. We fire Rah after 3 seasons(agree with) but we fail to land our big fish(Chip) and panicked (again) and went the complete opposite of Rah and got ourselves a mediocre College Coach that couldn’t win in the Big East.. We get rid of him and Dom after 2 seasons(agree with Schiano okay with Dom).. But the worse part of doing that we basically had an agreement with Lovie halfway through the 2013 season because these same incompetent Owners believe what better way to bring excitement back to Tampa? A nostalgia act of course! They didn’t even bother interviewing other candidates seriously and figured Buc Ball would reign supreme again in 2014 and beyond.. Neglecting the fact the game isn’t the same as it was in the 90’s… They also refuse to try promoting someone else who has had success at another organization to HC here for once(Quinn, Bevell, Arians, Bowles, McCoy, Gase etc etc etc) instead of re-treads, mediocre college coaches, and our very own DB’s coach.

    They have failed miserably as Owners.. So I don’t trust them to do the simple easy decisions anymore… Rant over 🙂

  108. White Tiger Says:

    OK, if you dislike the fact that all QB’s are system QB’s, then put Kid Fameis in Seattle’s pro-style offense and I bet he won’t be effective at ALL (regardless of whether he’s under center, or in a shotgun). As a matter of fact, he’d be a grease spot on the astro-turf.

    See how stupid that analogy is?

    Success depends on the type of NFL system they try to fit either QB into.

    P.S., recent drafts have shown more spread QB’s have been successful than your “pro-style” QB’s. Especially those who have come out over the past 5 years…

  109. Buc1987 Says:

    Bill… yes sir. This is my original screen name. It went to 87ForJameisORMariota to 87ForJameisNOMariota…then back to the original.

    I believe I changed it before Joe’s Jameis Watch even started.

    @Clint …thanks for that. Gil is a very reliable source.

  110. Bill Says:


    Thanks for the correction. I’m even more inclined to keep Glennon. Why trade this guy? I can endure him as a starter, but I love him as a backup.

  111. Buc1987 Says:

    “I think they’re gonna run the offense similar to Atlanta the last few years being that they hired their coordinator (Dirk Koetter). And I had a lot of chance to talk to Tampa’s General Manager this past Thursday (at Mariota’s pro day) and what I was told was they have had two different people; private investigators digging deep into Winston’s past and doing a lot of homework on the guy. They’ve talked to about 75 people about his past, 75 sources and my feeling is their finding is that he’s a pretty good guy. At this point – I would be shocked; SHOCKED – if he was not the choice by Tampa.” Gil Brandt

  112. Phillip Says:

    When you aren’t spouting off about JW5 love(way too much) you have knowledgeable stuff to say or something funny which I enjoy both just not the first thing 🙂

  113. Andrew 1 Says:

    Amen Gil, I would be shocked as well.

  114. Buc1987 Says:

    Phillip…I miss Malcolm.

  115. Phillip Says:

    Completely off topic but these head issues are getting serious as players are retiring in their primes(and before they even hit their prime) to avoid issues later in life… Chris Borland a rookie last year and a damn good one for the 49ers is retiring.. Shame they can’t do something more about the concussions.. I believe it’s the speed in which these guys play with now… Think of the lb’s back in the day compared to today.. These kids fly now. Scary what the NFL is gonna look like in 10 years at this rate.

  116. Buc1987 Says:

    Or should I say McKay-Malcolm. It always seemed to me that Malcolm just signed the checks and let the football people do the deals.

    In some cases it’s best the owners stay the hell away from making football decisions. Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones.

  117. Stanglassman Says:

    Shaub’s numbers aren’t too bad as a starter for 7 years for the Texans. Win/Loss 44-42 Comp % 65, QBRating 89.5, TD 124 INT 78

  118. Winston>Mariota Says:

    @Mariota or Winston or Walk Da Plank.
    What was your name before this season?

    I am the original original “The Kevin”

  119. Phillip Says:

    Very true.. They need a hobby to keep out of the football world and let other people make the decisions.. Ours don’t just make terrible decisions here either.. They almost completely wrecked their big money maker in Man Utd as well with a terrible coaching hire..

  120. Bill Says:

    @White Tiger,

    Yes, all QB’s play in a system…duh. The issue with MM is that the Oregon system is head and shoulders above most other systems. It’s a huge advantage. Nobody runs tempo like the Ducks…Nobody! They are the very best at what they do, and what they do is rare.

    I’ll make a comparison which I believe to be very applicable to this argument. Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech gets average to good recruits, but they are the only FBS team I know of that is committed to the triple option. It’s a rare offense to run in FBS….is Navy FBS? or is it Army? You get my point.

    Nobody runs it, so nobody is prepared for it either. The Ducks and the Yellow Jackets are committed to a “system” that nobody else plans for. The Ducks practice the system all year long, their opponents practice defending it for a single week. There is a huge advantage created here. Kudos to Oregon and GT for finding the niche, but it is a niche….one that doesn’t exist at the NFL level.

  121. Joe Says:

    Joe should be able to confirm the Glazers feelings on Winston. Most Executives and GMs pass on Winston, correct Joe?

    Shoot, nobody has that kind of access to the Glazers outside of their own family, and Licht and Lovie.

  122. Buc1987 Says:

    Bill…your quickly becoming one of my favorite posters…

  123. Stanglassman Says:

    Van Gaal has the Red Devils in 1st place and Old Trafford is rockin. Don’t let someone tell you that gave up watching after the first few games. Manchester United hires whoever they want and Louis Van Gaal is a great coach.

  124. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Bill

    Exactly! you did a far better job of explaining it than I did.

  125. Phillip Says:

    There are plenty of teams that run the extreme version of the hurry up offense in CFB. To call Oregon the rare team that does it is completely false.

    Stats from the 13/14 season.

  126. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    I was reviewing offensive line and defensive line options in the draft, and to sum it up? We MUST get Hardy! If we don’t, we may have to sacrifice a year to develop OL players before starting them, because DE would have to come first. Why?

    Because of McCoy. He’s getting older as we waste time without a good DE. If we are ever going to really get our money’s worth out of him, we need a great DE and a good MLB.

    And to get that great DE we may well have to trade back into the first round, and sacrifice our 2 & 3 to do it. If that’s the case, anyone else we draft would more than likely take at least a year to start.

  127. Phillip Says:

    Yes LVG is a great coach how about the scrub before him.. Not Sir Alex.. I can’t even remember his name now.. Came from Everton I believe.

  128. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Glennon is not the right person to mentor Winston. At all. And Winston does need mentoring. Therefore, we must either keep 3 quarterbacks, or get rid of Glennon.

    Personally, I’m curious to see what a year under Dirk would do for Glennon. I just don’t want all our eggs in his basket.

    But either way…we need a true veteran. Schuab has seen limited success, but not enough to be a threat to the starting role. If his leadership is good, maybe he’s right to mentor both.

    I’m not hooked on him at all, but we do need someone in addition to Glennon and Winston/Mariota.

    In fact, I think the only reason the have not signed someone is because it would tip their hand before they are ready (ie. A mobile vet might point toward a Mariota pick, a pocket passer toward Winston).

  129. bucgator Says:

    Lol. My buddy 87 going back to his name. Noice. Walkdaplank will be soon too. Alas I cannot because Joe has me banned and even though I can still post I can not even type my name. Smh.

  130. Stanglassman Says:

    If you all want to learn more about the origin of the Oregon Ducks “System” read Dellinger book. Or at least watch one of the Prefontaine, Bowerman movies. Pre Lives!

  131. Bill Says:


    I’m looking at the article you posted and I’m reading the italics located under the “time per snap” list. They discuss the Ducks, almost exclusively, and say they should be at #8. Why aren’t they?

  132. Phillip Says:

    Because they score so quickly to be listed in the first list I believe like don’t have as many plays per game? Doesn’t matter really just shows there is other teams who are actually faster than what the Ducks ran at Oregon.. It’s very much the norm now.. Hell Alabama of all schools ran a no huddle hurry up and was successful at it as well(thanks to Lane Kiffin given free reign over the O).

    Thought you were ignoring my comments? Yes I had to

  133. bucgator Says:

    Watching Bill and Phillip debate.
    -grabs popcorn.

  134. Andrew 1 Says:

    Almost finished watching the the FSU vs Oregon Rose Bowl game. Didn’t get to watch it the first time around but it was a very lopsided game, and one that I don’t think you can accurately compare the two QBs. But just concentrate on the responsibilities of the two QBs. Winston WAS the offense for Florida State, having to make play after play, and ultimately couldn’t keep up. whereas the Scheme is what won it for Mariota. If you go back and watch it Mariota time and time again only had ONE read to make before throwing that ball. That means that the play was designed to go there all along. Even Hurbstreet said that Oregon had been running that scheme for 6 years and its very tough for opposing teams to stop once they get going. Dont believe me? go back and watch it its free on youtube. Thats why I believe the Scheme is more the reason for Mariota’s Success than his abilities. Winston on the other hand runs a basic pro style offense that relies more on his ability to make the play, rather than the play itself being designed to beat the defense. He is constantly having to read the defense and go from his second to third read in order to find the best option. Mariota doesn’t have to do any of that, he just throws the ball where it was beautifully designed to go to all along. I dont know if I’m explaining it very well, but thats the difference between the two QBs and why I believe Winston will be the better option over Mariota.

  135. Bill Says:


    Obviously this report is operating with some sort of statistical threshold, and the author himself felt the need to mention the Ducks despite leaving them off the list. If the Ducks are #8 out of 120 teams, I’m content with calling that rare or exceptional.

  136. Bill Says:


    What does the number of plays have to to with the time between plays?

  137. Phillip Says:

    That’s just one game though Andrew.. Alot of the “draft experts” have consistently said the National Championship game(yes the one he lost and threw a pick in I believe) was better tape for Marcus in terms of NFL quality reads and throws because of the OSU D gave them fits. Yes I realize I just listed one game as well lol.. Just giving you some insight as to what I heard from the “draft experts”

  138. bucgator Says:

    I forgot the butter

  139. Bill Says:

    bucgator Says:
    March 17th, 2015 at 12:09 am

    I forgot the butter



  140. Phillip Says:

    Had to get to a certain number in snaps per game to be included on the second list? Idk that is what it is implying imo.. They just scored on bigger plays.. Top 10 is rare but to act like they are separated by a ton of time with the others is crazy.. Number 25 is 4 seconds slower.. That isn’t much imo.. I do wish it went deeper into the list like top 60 though or said where Bama ranked that year.

  141. Bill Says:


    More interestingly, look at the teams surrounding the #8 spot.

    1) BYU — 19.51 seconds per play
    2) Texas Tech — 19.52
    3) Wyoming — 19.56
    4) Baylor — 19.81
    5) Indiana — 20.03
    6) California — 20.18
    7) Hawai’i — 20.26
    8) Fresno State — 20.34
    9) Clemson — 20.53
    10) Marshall — 20.70
    11) Boise State — 21.52
    12) Arizona — 21.58
    13) Washington — 21.87
    14) SMU — 22.04
    15) East Carolina — 22.25
    16) Washington State — 22.35
    17) Mississippi — 22.79
    18) Arizona State — 23.14
    19) Troy — 23.44
    20) Texas — 23.51

    Baylor, Clemson, Arizona, and Mississippi are the only teams even worth debating. Everybody else sucks! Oregon does what they do better than everybody else, by far.

  142. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Phillip

    I really cant explain it any better than that, wish I could. I guess another way of putting it is that Winston did not have a brilliant Scheme that did most of the work for him as Mariota did. That’s not Mariota’s fault or anything, but I really truly believe it elevated him farther than what he would be without it. Winston did not have any kind of brilliant decade long Oregon scheme to use as his crutch, only his ability. And with that abiltiy he won a national championship, Heisman, and only lost one game in his entire college career I believe. Would Mariota have that kind of success without Oregons brilliant scheme and only his ability to rely on like Winston? I say no.

  143. Bill Says:


    “Thought you were ignoring my comments? Yes I had to”

    I saw some evidence that you were a real Bucs fan. I love the Bucs and my fellow fans. I’ll agree to disagree with you on some things. I’m done for the night.

    Go Bucs!

  144. Andrew 1 Says:

    And that fact will play itself out in the NFL when Winston is winning games with his abilities and Mariota hangs high and dry without the ducks brilliant offense to lean on.

  145. Phillip Says:

    Doesn’t matter if they suck all that matters is that it isn’t rare for teams to be running an offense that fast.. You can definitely add Bama to that list after this year as well.

    Washington has 3 prospects that could go in the 1st round this year(none QB)

    That same Fresno State team that sucks produced a hurry up spread offense QB in Derek Carr and from the looks of it a franchise changing QB. Who also didn’t take snaps from under center..

    Goff will be talked about as a top QB prospect in next years draft as well..

    Not trying to argue just stating facts lol

  146. grafikdetail Says:

    the Bucs have two great young men as options at QB… i don’t see how you guys could look at either one of these kids and have animosity toward them… it’s shame to see the b.s. bashing of them everyday

  147. Andrew 1 Says:

    Unless by some chance Mariota land with Chip Kelly, then watch out! Unfortunately Kelly is not our coach.

  148. Buc1987 Says:

    There’s nothing easy about being a Bucs fan.

    My 2nd cousin(Pat’s fan) was staying my mother’s house for a few months during the season. My wife, the kids and I go there every Sunday afternoon for dinner.

    I pulled up to her house right around the 4th quarter of the Steelers game. So I’m outside watching the end of the game thinking it’s pretty much over and were going to lose. Then we score in the end for the win.

    I started running all over my mother’s yard like a 12 yr old (I’m 44) jumping up and down that we got the win.

    My cousin says to my mother : “What the hell’s wrong with your son it’s just one game?”

    I came back from my run and said to him, “you’re a Pats fan, you’re used to winning. It’s much more fun being a Bucs fan than a Pats fan, but it ain’t easy. A win is a big deal for me these days.”

  149. BirdDoggers Says:

    I have no idea who will succeed in the NFL between Winston and Mariota. Although, I can’t see the first overall pick in the draft being used on a project. As it stands, Mariota is a project.

  150. Buc1987 Says:

    grafikdetail …it’s mostly fighting amongst ourselves(typical JBF day) than bashing the QB’s.

    You won’t find it anywhere else.

  151. Phillip Says:

    I don’t believe you can compare them like that once they get into the NFL.. Say we take Winston and he struggles and say Mariota goes to (insert team here) and thrives they aren’t guaranteed the same quality of coaching(Think Pats compared to the Vikings) or consistency to compare them in my opinion..

    Talent can only take you so far.. I’d love to see how Peyton, Brees, Brady, and Rodgers pan out behind the same O-line that David Carr had to play behind or get the “quality” of coaching Freeman had in his years here along with his “quality” weapons.

    I know everyone will compare these 2 for the rest of their careers since they are the top 2 QB’s but to me it’s not a accurate assessment unless they were drafted by the same team and same coaches made an offense around them. Again this is just my opinion and I’m probably in the minority there.

  152. Todd Says:

    So joe if you redraft 2005 nfl draft you take alex smith over aaron Rodgers ?

  153. Andrew 1 Says:

    All I know is that Winston will be a buc not because of what any expert says, but because he IS the better QB, and for some of the same reasons I mentioned earlier. Anything other than that, like what team Mariota will go to, or how well he will do, I dont know. But the SOLE reason why Winston will be a buc is because he IS a better QB. Thats all I really have left to say. good night all.

  154. Phillip Says:

    With all that said I still want the Bucs to draft MM or trade back with Cle get their 2 1st’s and a slew of picks and grab Hundley in the 2nd or 3rd and give Glennon a full season as starter(if he’s a Matt Ryan “clone” then he should be able to fetch a better draft pick after this season or prove he is a Franchise caliber QB) or a vet QB like Moore Fitz Hoyer type.

    Do I trust the Glazers in trying to keep consistency with the coaches this time around and not screw up the young QB we draft (or Glennon)? HELL NO.. I do hope they prove me wrong though.

    Night everyone and GO BUCS! 🙂

  155. Pickgrin Says:

    Thanks for stopping by Marcus. Good luck wherever you wind up playing. Hope whichever team drafts you has a good plan and can afford to bring you along and get you up to speed slowly. Being thrown into the fire this year would NOT be good for your future.

  156. the real Bucobruce Says:

    I am a Florida State fan, Jameis Winston is a little bit better than EJ Manuel will be in the pros..if we draft Winston I’m going to hope not and I will have his back but I do not want to draft him because I truly do believe this I watch every game.

  157. Pickgrin Says:

    the real Bucobruce Says:
    March 17th, 2015 at 12:56 am
    I am a Florida State fan, Jameis Winston is a little bit better than EJ Manuel will be in the pros..

    False and False.

    No FSU fan would make that ridiculous of a statement. (little but better than Manuel).

  158. Pickgrin Says:

    Andrew 1 – since you just watched the Rose Bowl – here’s some excellent analysis on Winston’s performance in that game.

  159. Bucnation45 Says:

    I wonder what Joes gonna say down the road if Winston turns out to be Josh Freeman 2.0 and Mariota becomes what Joe thought Winston was gonna be?! Lol!

  160. lurker Says:

    “That same Fresno State team that sucks produced a hurry up spread offense QB in Derek Carr and from the looks of it a franchise changing QB. Who also didn’t take snaps from under center..”

    false. maybe not that year, but carr was under center at fresno state his first year starting. also, his older brother david was/is a mentor.

  161. lurker Says:

    “They have failed miserably as Owners.. So I don’t trust them to do the simple easy decisions anymore… Rant over :)”

    again, false. they brought the only championship we have. you blame them for the failures but no credit for the successes?

    were you around for the culverhouse era?

  162. lurker Says:

    Bill Said:
    March 16th, 2015 at 8:28 pm


    Would you mind naming the 7 incidents?
    Phillip Said:
    March 16th, 2015 at 8:32 pm

    Not really needed when you have Google and almost every draft “expert” out there saying that do we now?
    Bill Said:
    March 16th, 2015 at 8:38 pm

    I count 5.

    Rape accusation
    BB gun
    Crab legs
    Union outburst

    I’m just wondering what the other 2 are? Tell me.
    Phillip Said:
    March 16th, 2015 at 9:02 pm

    … ONCE again MEL KIPER has been on the record NUMEROUS times stating there have been 7 OFF THE FIELD INCIDENTS..

  163. lurker Says:


    where. i could not find this either. you stated to google and many experts say this. and then you say mel kiper stated this in a podcast, and yet you cannot post a link to this event.

    i want to find these other 2 incidents, also. please make us privy to the same info.


  164. Phillip Says:


    First off just because they swung a trade that won us a SB it also mortgaged our future.. Second just because they did finally get us one doesn’t excuse their terrible actions since then. So because JF5 set franchise records in 2010 we should excuse his play since then? Same circumstances..

    If you watched Derek Carr you would know that they were in the shotgun almost the entire time he was there.. Also you use a crutch of David Carr teaching/mentoring him but Mariota can’t with his personal QB coach or in the off season? Your argument is flawed and just plain ignorant.

    I gave you the sources and the podcasts he is on currently (Dari and Mel and First Draft).. If you want to go back and listen to them you are more than welcome to. I don’t care what the issues are as that is not the reason why I don’t want the Bucs to draft him which I have stated NUMEROUS times.. I have no reason to lie on the subject because it doesn’t benefit anyone on here for me to lie.. But it clearly doesn’t matter as you already made up your mind on who you want the Bucs to take.. You can keep beating a dead horse..

  165. lurker Says:


    you are the dead horse then. i’m ignorant because i show you as wrong…lmao. poor, poor phillip.

    david carr was not in the spread his sophomore year. i watch fresno state too. so basically he has run from under center and done well, unlike mariota who has not done it since high school.

    again, you only point out the negatives with the glazers but you are wrong with them too. they want to win and by getting gruden and winning a superbowl they have shown that. just because their decisions since have not panned out does not should not take away the positive. i am sure any franchise would “mortgage the future” for a superbowl win. again, you must not have been around for the culverhouse reign.

    and lastly, i showed your conversation where YOU state that it is commonplace to find the 7 event and yet you cannot find a link for them. again, you are wrong for saying it is all over google.

    so again, i show you as wring 3 times and you call me ignorant…smh you silly, silly man.

  166. lurker Says:

    sorry for typos

  167. ndog Says:

    Everyone is saying that Chip Kelly is awesome and the offense is working. Really look at it and what have they actually won and also look at the QB situation. Two years in the league and two years the starting QB goes down hurt. And it is not why everyone thinks, which is they run the ball to much with their QB. Actually it is that they spread the field and don’t block the free blitzers which means free shots for some of the baddest dudes in the league. The Eagles haven’t won jack and their QB’s are always getting hurt, so no thank you! Also Mariota will not last in the NFL as he is way to fragile plus he will hold the ball to long while not wanting to throw into tight windows. He has bust written all over him.