Team Glazer And Quarterbacks

February 3rd, 2015

Questions about their influence reach a national stage

You and Joe know the Bucs need a quarterback. Hell, Stevie Wonder can see the Bucs need a quarterback.

The only folks who don’t think so are the few Woody Hayes disciples who have yet to be thinned out by evolution.

You know the kind. They’re like the Japanese soldiers who took to the jungles of the South Pacific in the final weeks of World War II only to be found 30 years later thinking the war was still on.

To hear the words from the “Custodian of Canton,” eye-RAH! Kaufman of the Tampa Tribune, Team Glazer is on board with the rest of society. They want a quarterback.

Kaufman talked about this during his final weekly appearance of the football season with the one and only Chris “Mad Dog” Russo heard, on the channel that bears his name, “Mad Dog Radio,” part of the family of sports channels heard exclusively on SiriusXM Radio.

Chris “Mad Dog” Russo: Do you think the Bucs have made a decision to draft a quarterback with that first pick?

eye-RAH! Kaufman: Yes I do. And the reason I say it is, the guys that are going to make that kind of decision are sitting at the top making all kinds of money as the owners.

Russo: The Glazers are going to make that call?

Kaufman: They need a quarterback.

Russo: So they are going to tell Lovie to draft a quarterback?

Kaufman: Lovie can give them all the objections he wants. They better be good. They want a quarterback.

Russo: So who has the final call then, the Glazer brothers or Lovie?

Kaufman: Well, if Lovie and Jason Licht don’t make one heck of a compelling case that neither of these guys are worth that first overall pick, they are going to be told, “We want a quarterback. You get to pick him, but we want a quarterback.”

Those in the know have told Joe that Team Glazer typically lets the folks they hired call the football shots, though it is widely believed Chucky was fired, in part, because he spurned constant requests (?) from Team Glazer to draft a franchise quarterback.

And while Joe understands this is a prudent way of doing business, letting the folks you hired call the shots, this was near with a No. 20 or No. 12 or maybe as high as a No. 4 pick. But we’re talking about a first overall pick now.

There is no doubt that the absolute worst hole on the Bucs roster is quarterback. Those who think otherwise are living in some deranged world where “The Jetsons” is considered reality TV and fish walk the earth.

While Joe trusts and believes what he is told about the delegation of authority at One Buc Palace, we’re talking about a franchise-changing (for the better) choice here, a franchise that is worth as much as $1 billion.

If a guy owned a hot dog stand, he wouldn’t passively stand aside and let others make a decision that could either make him a rich(er) man or put him out of business. Sometimes, no matter what one hears, common sense must take over.

And for the haters in Joe’s reading audience, as a gesture of goodwill, Joe won’t mention Jameis Winston in this article.

92 Responses to “Team Glazer And Quarterbacks”

  1. bucrightoff Says:

    There is no doubt that the absolute worst hole on the Bucs roster is quarterback. Those who think otherwise are living in some deranged world where “The Jetsons” is considered reality TV and fish walk the earth.

    Incorrect. You’ll remember back in September Tom Brady was done and the Pats should start the Garrapolo era ASAP after a 2-2 start. Remember why? Oh yeah, their line play was not very good. The Bucs was so awful last year (and at least 3 times as bad as New England), no QB ever could succeed. All of the very best teams have top 10 units in this regard, the Bucs are around 29-32.

    That doesn’t mean I’m advocating OLine at #1, just that if you don’t think it’s the biggest issue, by far, then bring back the same group of OLineman and just draft a QB. Should make all the difference right?

  2. gbuc Says:

    And therein lies the problem with our team. The blind leading the blind. The Glazers and Lovie have no idea how to build a stable, consistently winning franchise.

  3. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    The Glazers have said…..”We want a QB and you can pick any one you like that don’t have any off-field problems”

  4. Scotty in Fat Antonio Says:

    LMFFAO at Joes….you just mentioned Winston in your last sentence of the article.

    Joes, so what do you believe Winston (and Mariota) is doing right now leading up to the NFL Combine later this month. I had heard that he may be out in California working out with a QB guru. Any intel from your end?

  5. JTHV Says:

    It amazes me how you can tell someone that there’s writing on the wall. You can even read it to them. However, they’d deny it and want to argue.

    Jameis at #1.

    Thank you Glazers.

  6. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    JTHV…I’m slowly getting to point where I don’t even bother anymore. These numbskulls won’t get it for the next 3 months. That have to see it happen.

    I’m hoping they don’t play the secretive game right up until draft day and just come out and tell us a month before the draft who they are taking. Then the game would be over.

  7. rayjay1122 Says:

    Here is the problem as I perceive it. We need a franchise QB. Typically the only way to find one, is to draft and develop one which will take several years, plenty of patience and possibly a new coaching staff. Since we need a much better OL, that compounds the QB development. Every position other than QB can be upgraded in free agency if we over pay. So, yeah we have to draft a QB and after 2 years we will probably assume he is a bust and send him packing ad we have done in the past a few times. This cycle had to end. So let’s get a QB and be patient and accept waiting for everything to come together finally. And Joe, you did mention Winston… Right at the end.

  8. @gbucs Says:

    “And therein lies the problem with our team. The blind leading the blind. The Glazers and Lovie have no idea how to build a stable, consistently winning franchise.”

    But according to the press “firing Lovie doesn´t make sense” (“ terms of NFL business”)

  9. 77bassguitarist Says:

    Hey how’s you’re boy johnny doing? I hope the pick is mariota

  10. armchairGM Says:

    @Scotty I believe they are both working out in San Diego. Jameis with George Whitfield Jr. And Mariota with Kevin O’Connell.

  11. Buc-O's 82 Says:

    Well that settles it if the Glazers are picking the QB. It will be Mariota, and not that trash from Tally , Shameis (the next tenant for the Orient St. Hotel).

  12. Pickgrin Says:

    Winston Please!

  13. Bucfan4life Says:

    Of course he mentioned Winston. Everyone should now realize that Winston is clearly the better choice. Nobody knows if Mariota has any ability to run a pro style offense. You shouldn’t use a number one pick on a complete crap shoot.

  14. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    Buc-O’s 82 ….3 months to go and “that settles it”.

    What’s your reasoning for it being settled? Because you said so?

  15. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “@87 -I’m slowly getting to point where I don’t even bother anymore”

    Same here. It’s groundhog’s day. You can’t waste yr time correcting so much misinformation, over and over and over again.

    I am simply waiting for April 30th. There’s about 4-5 posters who really spread the hateful, venomous stuff. I am waiting to point and laugh at them on draft night. They know who they are.

    Can’t wait.

  16. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    This site is becoming like romper room. The childish antics are out in full effect lately. I see Mikey, I see Kevin, I see Patrick….having a special day today.

    For those that are too young to know what Romper Room is…

    1 minute clip :

  17. SoonerinTampa Says:

    Someone…anyone tell me the last QB that came out early (Prior to graduation) AND led his team to the Super Bowl. Early entrant QBs are NOT successful…except ONE.

  18. RCH Says:

    I agree the Glazers need to put their foot down and say draft a QB and let L&L decide on which one it is. If L&L wanted to draft a different position they shouldn’t have got themselves in the position to have the number one overall pick.

  19. CAN'T FIX IT Says:


  20. Eric Says:

    Here is that SOB playing with kids and stuff.


  21. Greg Schiano Says:

    But you did mention the Rapist Winston in your article! Breaking News on Fox Sports:

    Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times reporting out of Las Vegas that repeat offender Warren Sapp and the Buc’s #1 draft pick (thanks to Jose’) were arrested at 4 a.m. (February 4, 2015) for sexual battery and assault on a visiting group of South American Catholic nuns! The NFL Commissioner has suspended the Rapist Winston and placed him on the NFL Exempt List which requires the Buc’s to pay his salary while he is awaiting trial! Warren Sapp was immediately fired from his position with the Huffington Post where he was the Domestic Violence Correspondent!

    I honestly get and agree that the Rapist Winston may be the most NFL ready QB in the draft, but Lovie Smith has no clue how to develop him, discipline is in very short supply at 1 Buc Place, and Winton’s first two seasons with the Buc’s were highlighted by his sense of entitlement and four previous arrests which resulted in probation and suspended sentences after multiple plea deals!

    The Bucs went 3-13 in Win’ton’s third year after the dramatic firing of Lovies Smith after the 2015 season! Winston is now viewed as the NFL’s most prolific Coach Killer while Jay Cutler was voted MVP in 2015!

    Greg Schiano

  22. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:


    “Greg Schiano Says:
    February 3rd, 2015 at 9:39 am

    But you did mention the Rapist Winston in your article! ”

    For instance this guy. I can’t wait to rub it in his face like a steaming pile….

  23. Bannor Says:

    Of course Joe mentioned Winston he wrote about drafting a QB, not drafting a running back to happens to throw the ball.

  24. Kingpin1 Says:

    On mike and mike this morning Chris Morsten was talking good things about Mike Glennon. Just saying!!!

  25. Architek Says:

    I love it – just a bit of truth serum for the blind sheep that like to talk about meaningless scenarios with trading down.

    Hey the Glazers are making this call and after 2-14 they should because the HC showed what type personnel man he is.

    Welcome Jameis or Mariota.

  26. Eric Says:

    He is a gettin ready.

    Go Jameis.

    Going to be an honor to welcome you to Tampa Bay. A great day indeed.

  27. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    ODB…a lot of them are making stuff up lately they don’t even bother trying to find where they got their info. They just throw crap out there as fact, because it’s a fact in their own head.

    That’s a game that can’t be won.

    I’ve stated who I want the Bucs to draft, it’s well documented. I’ve also stated who I think they will draft numerous times. There really is no point to carry it on anymore.

    I’m pretty much down to they better come to grips with it soon. That’s why I hope the team will just come out and say who they are taking sooner rather than later (draft day). So everyone can get on board or jump ship. If it is Mariota, then I’m on board. Not season tickets and jersey on board, but I’m on board. I’ll be at the home opener to watch Mariota sit on the bench while we lose. If it’s Winston then I’ll buy season tickets and a jersey. Simple as that.

  28. Buccfan37 Says:

    If we could just get a clue which way the Bucs are leaning with the first pick. That will likely be a mystery right up until the pick is announced on draft day. Talk about being kept in the dark. It’s a tough decision and difficult to pinpoint the Bucs thinking. Like the fans, opposing opinions make this a head scratcher.

  29. Harry Says:

    @87 says,
    “…JTHV…I’m slowly getting to point where I don’t even bother anymore. These numbskulls won’t get it for the next 3 months. That have to see it happen.”

    “This site is becoming like romper room. ”

    Amen brother. Remember all the arguing last year? I’m not doing that. Some of the comments in here are just too ridiculous. But I do like seeing you on board!

  30. JFF Says:

    Leonard Williams absolutely should be an option if the front office and coaching staff feels he’s the best prospect in the draft. Drafting a QB does not guarantee anything but fan excitement. Glazers evidently care more about their riches than winning.

    Worst thing that can happen is another Josh Freeman/RG3 situation where our “franchise QB” is on thin ice the moment a new regime takes over. Glazers probably don’t give a crap though as long as they sell some hope to the fans. They probably would have forced L&L to take Bortles last year if we picked in the top 3…that would have turned out great…

    ugh why couldn’t they just listen to me and draft Bridgewater…

  31. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    Thanks Harry 🙂 but I’m exhausted now.

  32. Chef Paul Says:

    I love the drafting of a QB debate. It’s like politics. The bias arguing against the other bias. So instead of arguing against the brainless twits that vote for the party I don’t vote for, I just gather with the people that agree with me and talk sh!t about the brainless twits that disagree with me/us.

  33. Harry Says:

    I can relate. I had a discussion yesterday with someone regarding the horrendous decision by Lovie to not get Arroyo OC help at the beginning of the year. It was like a dog chasing its tale; around and round, and they made no sense. So why bother…

  34. ToesOnTheLine! Says:

    “On mike and mike this morning Chris Morsten was talking good things about Mike Glennon. Just saying!!”

    @ kingpin1

    That’s because outside of some very vocal fans on JBF Glennon is generally perceived as a young QB who has shown he may have good potential. I live in upstate NY and am surrounded by plenty of Bills, Giants, Jets, and Patriots fans. Hard as this is for the Glennon haters to fathom almost every Bills and Jets fan I have spoken to wishes their team had selected Glennon instead of Manuel or Smith. The general consensus up North about this past season was “that kid looks pretty good, why doesn’t the head coach want to play him?” I have come to realize that there is a bizzaro world faction amongst JBF’ers that for whatever reason hate Glennon despite him being the most productive QB drafted in the past two years.

  35. gatrbuc17 Says:

    @ToesOnTheLine…………..AMEN brother. I live in West Yellowstone Montana which is a Tourist trap. I talk to football fans from All over the country. I couldn’t agree with you more. Coming to this thread is like going to a different world than all the rest of the Football world. Almost every person I talk to that is not a Bucs fans have two things to say to me. “How did your OL get so horrible” And, “Why are you guys playing McCown instead of Glennon?”
    I have yet to find ONE stinking person out of hundreds to say that we should draft Jameis and not look back. He is not so highly thought of outside the Tampa Bay Area

  36. ToesOnTheLine! Says:

    Still rooting for the Bucs to trade down and acquire multiple 1st Rnd picks or grab Williams at #1, but I guess that makes me a knuckle dragger who hasn’t been culled by JBF evolution yet. I remember when a lot of Cowgirls fans were ready to move on past Romo (undrafted kid) but amazing how building a quality OL and having some weapons around him suddenly transformed him into a franchise QB. I’d wager if the Bucs take that same approach with Glennon they’ll reap similar rewards. That or just trade him to Arizona and watch what happens when he’s on a team that “gets it”

  37. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    Chef Paul (who’s not a chef at all) Yes but when they spit venom at the QB(Winston) that could potentially be their next QB to lead their team, it makes them look like an ass IMO.

    What if the Bucs DO draft Jameis?

    What will they do then?

    Root for him and the team? If so that to me is BS. You can’t call a guy every vile name in the book and then cheer for him later on down the line. That’s where the romper room reference comes into play. Let the children play.

    Yes it makes for a great debate, but like ODB said it’s like groundhog day every day on JBF. It’s not Joe’s fault either he’s just doing his job and it’s wonderful for hits even though he says it’s not why he does it. Having this pick is great for JBF and it’s followers. If I stay in the debate, it will surely keep things going for the next 3 months. Like I said “slowly” getting to the point of why bother with all this redundant crap.

    Hell I don’t need to bother anyways. Winston will speak for me with his pro day and that smile during the interview process. Winston just needs to stay out of trouble, keep talking about God and he will be a Buccaneer.

    Then again if he wants to go to a better team and drop in the draft, he could always intentionally screw up again with a some small thing. I hope he doesn’t read these comments lol I don’t want to give him any ideas.

  38. Barry Says:

    Lovie Smith and Jason Licht to the Glazers: we found a Thief who has been accused of rape with a forthcoming civil trial to be the face of your franchise. The Glazers look at each other and say “We’re on board”. It ain’t gonna happen people.

  39. ToesOnTheLine! Says:

    @ gatrbuc17

    Agreed. Only logical explanation is local Bucs fan watch every single play (good and bad) and tend to dwell on the bad. Thankfully I can pay to watch every Bucs game on TV, but before that I was stuck watching the Giants every damn week. If you watch enough Eli Manning games you’d start to think he was going to be a total turd on his first few seasons…probably because I was seeing all his dumb mistakes). Point is as a fanbase you sometimes need to step back and look at things from non-bias eyes. The numbers actually point to Glennon being a QB with some potential…kid isn’t mobile so he needs time in the pocket.

  40. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    Barry …come back later this afternoon, tomorrow and say the same thing.

  41. Nick Says:

    Read this article and if you still think we can luck into a QB after the 1st round, I don’t know what to tell you..

  42. Chef Paul Says:


    I say let them spit venom. For when/if the Bucs draft Winston, it will be them that has to make a choice. It will be them that has to decide if they enjoy winning with a QB that has never been charged with rape. It will be these folks that will have to wrestle with the demons in their head all the while you are buying season tickets and immediately enjoying your team with a QB proven to know how to win games!!

    Does that sound too preachy?

    Or you could just do what the libs do: If they dont like him, just call them a racist!!

  43. Celly Says:

    The reason other fans don’t know the truth about Glennon is because chances are, they’re not watching him play. When you just look at the box numbers, they don’t look THAT bad.

    But when you actually watch him play, you can see the lack of fire in him.

    Box scores won’t show that a QB ran out of bounds instead of going for the 1st down. They also don’t show his many underthrows. (i still can’t get over that game where he had 4 underthrows on what most likely would’ve been touchdowns if thrown properly)

  44. Broy34 Says:

    Joe God bless you for your ability to deal with a fanbase where the first comment on this article straight up calls you WRONG for saying the biggest hole is QB. It’s seriously no wonder they suck every year. With fans who are okay with the qb’s we have

  45. Hawk Says:

    I’ve read the above article twice and still cannot find a quote (FROM the Glazers) about drafting a QB. There is ZERO evidence that they have EVER inserted themselves into player selection, and I doubt that they will start now. In fact, the ONLY way I see them changing that position is if they are more concerned with a players’ ability to embarrass them, than his ability to win games.
    BTW, “… they are going to be told, “We want a quarterback. You get to pick him, but we want a quarterback.””, is not a quote, it is wishful thinking.
    Also, Joe, I have yet to read ONE single post saying they do not believe the Bucs could use another QB. They just do not all agree that there is one worthy of the very first pick of this years’ draft. If you have such a post, I would like to see who they are.
    I love this team, so I will support whomever they choose (FA & draft), but MY choice would be to trade down (maybe 5-7) and then go after best available athlete (QB, DE, SS,…).

  46. Broy34 Says:

    Side note: and a fan base so dumb they’re actually saying above and I quote “draft a QB who hasn’t been charged with rape.” I’m sorry last time I checked we don’t live in Kings Landing. Preeeeeeetty sure you don’t get to walk free after being CHARGED with rape. He was actually the OPPOSITE of charged. He was relieved of all charges. God you fools

  47. Couch Fan Says:

    I like Glennon. Everybody knows im part of the MGM. But going into your 3rd season and all anyone can talk about is your potential isn’t a good sign. I dont buy Lovie sat Glennon all season just to save him from injury. Pretty clear that Lovie doesnt believe in the kid. Sad but time to move on. If the future isn’t on the roster, he will be soon. Famous Jameis is coming to Tampa!! What a great day it will be!! GO BUCS!!

  48. Skyline Crew Says:

    bucrightoff Says:
    February 3rd, 2015 at 8:09 am
    All of the very best teams have top 10 units in this regard, the Bucs are around 29-32.

    Bucs actually had the 25th best line in the league.


    From those results you can see that the Pats are 23rd and Seahawks were 19th in O-line ranking. Those were the two teams playing in the SuperBowl not the 10 ranked O-lines. QB play can definitely mask a lot of the problems that you have. However, you have to have an elite QB to do that. Texans had the 5th best O-line, but a terrible QB and look how they faired. Hell, the Browns had the 6th best and Hoyer was doing fine until the rookie HC F’d it all up and put Manziel in. He couldn’t even perform with a top 10 O-line.

  49. Aubpierce Says:

    Vandy got it right,Dartmouth got it right. FSU did not as Miami in the 80’s and the 90’s

    Vandy and Dartmouth got it right. The only conversation about Winston is what could have been. Miami paid the price back in the day and now the Gators are paying the price. FSU soon will pay the price for the Winston embarrassment. When thugs are allowed to represent their schools bad things happen. Times are changing. The Bucs can’t afford the negative press if they draft Winston. The Sapp incident didn’t help either, what a fool, total embarrassment.

  50. Skyline Crew Says:

    Draft Mariota and move on.

  51. Aubpierce Says:

    Sorry about the first line, my mistake.

  52. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    The Sapp thing happened now. Not 3 months from now.

  53. Chef Paul Says:


    You dont like the word “charge.” I get it. I could have easily mis-spoke. So what word should I have used that would have prevented you from nit picking? Convicted?


    When you say the phrase, “and I quote” you might want to make sure you are actually quoting, and not paraphrasing. Especially if in that same comment you are talking about how dumb people are. Just a tip.

  54. bucsjunkie Says:

    Think about it people. Winston is the most pro ready. Lovie doesn’t have a couple of years in hopes Mariota comes around. He has to pick the most pro ready QB in hopes of saving his job.

  55. Eric Says:

    Warren Sapp has nothing to do with Jameis Winston.

    And Vice Versa.

  56. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    Broy34…okay I’m stepping out of my “slowly” not caring anymore for a second to repeat the same old crap I’ve been saying for a month or so on here. Hell I probably said this way BEFORE Jameis Watch was even splashed on these pages. No wait I found this article that basically says what I’ve been saying only put into better words.

    For the guilty before proven innocent crowd this is for you.

    Per Dan Wetzel – Yahoo Sports

    “Perhaps the investigation stalled because the complainant didn’t want to cooperate, although the TPD told the Tallahassee Democrat she is working with the state attorney.”

    “Or perhaps, as some are certainly prone to believe, a college town police department swept this under the rug. At this stage, however, that isn’t just baseless speculation but wild, unfair stereotyping.”

    “The assumption requires the belief that numerous officers and departments (including the one assigned to investigate sexual assaults) chose to risk their careers, reputations and perhaps their own freedom to protect a then-redshirt quarterback for the local football team.”

    “That isn’t just improbable and would require a vast cover-up; it’s without even a hint of evidence suggesting as much.”

  57. ToesOnTheLine! Says:

    @ skyline

    Wow half the teams in the top 10 OL’s made the playoffs last year! Looks like only one team in the bottom 12 (Pats) made it, but Belichick is also a coaching freak who can compensate. Lots of teams with crap to mid/pack OL’s and “franchise QB’s” missing the post season. Strong argument for drafting to improve the trenches….at least in my mind (if the Bucs seriously want to be a contender)

  58. Eric Says:

    And which teams in the playoffs had the good oline bad qb combo?


    There is your final four.

    Pretty good QB’s I would say.

  59. Watchman57 Says:

    In is my humble opinion that the Bucs should try to trade out of the #1 spot in the draft to try to pick up additional selections
    The reason that I say this is after watching the Superbowl and seeing the quality of players on both of those teams that it makes me realize how many more quality players that the Bucs need to be able to compete at that level. We all know that the Bucs have to address the QB position either threw the draft, free agency, a trade or commiting to who they already have, however any QB that they decide on will not be able to change the fortunes of this team. I personally do not see a franchise QB in this draft so I would like to see them pick up more quality players and solidify and improve the entire roster as a whole to make any QB look better.
    And that is my humble opinion

  60. Barry Says:

    Be honest, how many of you would be shocked to hear he was arrested for peeking through a neighbor’s window ,at 3am, wacking his wood? Or arrested for indecent exposure for wacky wacking in the parking lot of a strip club at 2am? Be honest people. #TheCreepyCrab #MariotaIfYouGotTo #MikeCannonTheFuture

  61. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    At some point a QB HAS to be taken.

    You can draft all the O-linemen in the draft and at some point you have to have a quality QB.

    You build this team up with lots of draft picks and be a 7-9, 6-10 or an 8-8 team and never be high enough like the Bucs are now to get a possible good one. I don’t want to hear about the flukes Brady and Wilson. Your expecting too much out of L&L if you think they can find the next Brady or Wilson in future drafts down the line. That’s NOT going to happen.

    The time is now. When was the last time the Bucs had the #1 overall? Yes I know it was with Vinny and look how that turned out. I know, I know, but that was then this is now.

  62. Skyline Crew Says:

    You left out this piece 87′

    “What’s more believable, albeit with limited known facts, is that the police saw nothing to investigate. That may not mean the woman is lying. It may mean there just isn’t evidence. Although, again, if this were a close call, you’d think the police would have at least spoken to Winston.”

    Yeah, why did they never question Winston? They took 11 months? They knew it was Winston in January and told his attorney in February that the case was closed, but didn’t tell Erica’s attorney about the testing until April? Seems sketchy, eh?

  63. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    Lovie to Glazers : “well we’d like to trade down and see if we can go 2-14 again”

    Glazers to Lovie : “Are you out of your %*@^!& ing mind?”

  64. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    Skyline Crew…that’s for the police to deal with I could care less.

  65. Couch Fan Says:

    Maybe its a mix of both. Maybe because the police thought the girl was lying, by the repeatedly changing of her stories, they purposely did everything they could to stall the case for as long as possible? In the end Winston is still not at fault. Lol GO BUCS!!

  66. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    SVU and all these different departments covered up the whole thing in order to risk their career, reputation and freedom for a redshirt freshman QB of the local football team. He wasn’t even a star yet.

    Absolutely insane!

  67. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    I’m getting paid $50,000 per year and I want to risk that and my freedom to cover up for some kid at the local college.

    I don’t think so. Homey don’t play that.

    Keep spinning.

  68. Hawk Says:

    Before you start throwing stones…

    Broy34 Says:
    September 27th, 2014 at 10:56 pm


    Or at least, throw little ones, so when they pick them up a throw them back, it won’t hurt so much.

  69. Mr. Patrick Says:

    Poor 87, still in his Jameis Jammies with his morning Winston Wood

    If I thought for a second that there was QB anywhere in this draft that could turn the Bucs into a playoff contender then I would be all over that. But the fact is There Isn’t. Just way too many other holes to fill. Plus when you have the #1 pick you don’t gamble or take a player that is a crapshoot and a possible career Turd. You have to draft and develope players and not rely on free agency or grab other people’s cast offs. Bucs just need way too many other players than to take a risk or chance on just one

  70. bucrightoff Says:

    Skyline Crew Says:
    February 3rd, 2015 at 11:04 am

    Bucs actually had the 25th best line in the league.

    Anyone using PFF as their reference should be banned. Do you think Teddy Bridgewater is the 2nd best QB in the league? For half the season, PFF did.

    Sorry, but it’s been exposed as a terrible site. Biased, unfounded analysis that is not based on a set criteria. Football Outsiders takes a dump on PFF.

  71. Couch Fan Says:


    I find it disturbing Mr. Patrick keeps talking about your wood all the time. Just sayin…

  72. Mr. Patrick Says:

    If you find it disturbing then maybe it’s commonplace for you also. Just Sayin’…

  73. FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:


    I like your last line there. “won’t mention Shameis”. That’s good stuff!

    About the QB and other major holes on our team. OT, OG, DE, MLB, Safety, CB, are all positions we need major help with. The only position I would rank close to our QB need is DE and OT. No matter who we get to be our QB, we must upgrade our O Line or it doesn’t matter. I would hate to have the David Carr experience here in Tampa.

    Draft Williams and take Hundley in the 3rd. Or trade down to get the most picks and still draft Hundley. He has the size and arm strength to be a very good pro.

  74. FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:

    Or stay at #1 and take Mariotta to be the stud of our future. He has the potential to be better than Russel Wilson and close to Rodgers level. Not all the way there cause his arm strength isn’t on the same level with Aaron. Not many QB’s in the NFL have Rodger’s arm strength. He has the skill set, With the right coaching, to be a stud!

  75. carlstoe Says:

    Vanderbilt case was a mirror image to FSU Winston case. Nashville PD did their jobs. Didn’t care about football players at a major university. Didn’t waste time. Didn’t let University get in the way. They did their jobs to send rapist to prison! Innocent people do not destroy evidence!

  76. Skyline Crew Says:

    Everything on Football Outsiders is adjusted stat lines. They don’t use real numbers they adjust them for everything.

  77. bucrightoff Says:

    So you mean they apply context? Wow how dare they? It’s better to just apply biased opinions, those are much more objective.

    PFF also has Verner as elite, and Lavonte David as not. Doesn’t that sum up how terrible they are?

  78. Buc-O's 82 Says:

    87ForJameisNOMariota Says:
    February 3rd, 2015 at 9:24 am
    Buc-O’s 82 ….3 months to go and “that settles it”.

    What’s your reasoning for it being settled? Because you said so?

    I doubt seriously the Glazers would want to take a chance Shameis to put them in the negative light, as they have indicated in the past. With the past of Shameis antics probably don’t go well with them I bet. It’s a shame, he has talent, in my opinion not as good as Mariota.

  79. Skyline Crew Says:

    No. They go off stats. Depending on what system you have for mathematics you can make stats say anything you want. They also have LeSean McCoy as a bad player, but that is because he regressed this year. They even say that he shouldn’t be bad, but he did regress and wasn’t as good.

    Stats are stats man. I wouldn’t get to worked up about it. Football outsiders has sketchy things as well. Outsiders has Matt Ryan as the 7th best QB in the league and Tannehill as the 12th best. Cam Newton was the 36th best QB in the league? Glennon was 27th. Also, Miami had the 7th best offense. Really? Come on.

  80. bucrightoff Says:

    Sorry but PFF is universally viewed as awful within advanced stats people. Football Outsiders is considered the pinnacle. Big different is FO doesn’t say anything about their stats, they give them to you and let you figure out what they mean. PFF applies their biases to tell you what they think. PFF lacks objectivity, FO does not. It’s really that simple.

    And yeah, Cam is awful and Tannehill surprisingly underrated, so yeah, those numbers are pretty much right. Tannehill is far ahead of Cam as a QB, and clearly the 2nd best QB taken in the 2012 1st round.

  81. Skyline Crew Says:

    hahaha. Agree to disagree.

  82. Iknowmorethanlovie Says:

    Lovie draft a QB or be fired after McClown goes 3-13 next year.

  83. Skyline Crew Says:

    You actually think McCown would improve? hahaha

  84. bucrightoff Says:

    To be fair McCown won 1 game as a starter so obviously he can only go up….right?

  85. Barry Says:

    Do the residents of Tampa Bay really want #TheCreepyCrab wondering the streets after dark?

  86. Broy34 Says:

    They hired two offensive coaches that want to mimick seattles. The pick will be Mariota barring an incredible pro day from Jameis

  87. Broy34 Says:

    And Hawk(your name surely describes you) I stand by what I said. You know the comment you stalked upon to find creepily. Winstons father said he wouldn’t come out. That was until he realized its better to be caught in a blender with 31 others than 2 or 3 others.

  88. Bill Says:

    The primary issue is opportunity.

    Who was the last team to have everything in place, then draft a QB? This is the problem as I see it….teams that employ this strategy become good defensive teams. Not that being good at defense is bad, but it is when you get stuck in the realm of mediocrity like the Jets, Ravens, Bears, Chiefs, etc. These are teams that for periods of time had everything in place except a QB, but they were too good to ever draft high enough to get one. Sure, you can hope for the mid-round Flacco (It only took the Ravens 10+ years) or a CFL retread, or you bite the bullet and take your shot. The Colts did it with Peyton, the Giants with Eli, the Lions with Stafford, the Bengals with Palmer, the Falcons with Ryan, the Chargers with Rivers, I hope you get the point. None of these guys were drafted by teams immediately ready to compete, it rarely works that way.

  89. Dr Feelgood Says:

    Greg Schiano (aka judgemental A**HOLE), Winston is NOT a rapist!!! He’s been accused (falsely, obviously) of that, but so was the Duke lacrosse team!! I am a psychiatrist, so don’t come back with “you don’t know what you’re talking about”. I know more about this subject than most people, and false accusations happen all the time, especially ONE YEAR after the alleged incident, and it ruins people in a way they cannot recover. Shame on those of you that focus on that issue. He was NEVER charged!! You are NOT Greg Schiano and Winston is NOT a rapist! Get a life dude!! With all of this S*IT hanging over his head, he lost one game in college. You are out of your mind (and I AM a professional at that) to think we should draft the next gimmick QB.

  90. Hawk Says:

    Broy34 Said:

    ” Winstons father said he wouldn’t come out.”

    Maybe, that is what you should have said in the first place. It is safer to just put forth the facts, rather than opinion. Since opinions always run (at least) two different directions, SOMEONE is always going to be wrong. Let’s try not to let it be us.
    Sorry, but the rest of your post is indecipherable.

  91. pick6 Says:

    it kills me, as Dan Wetzel mentioned, that people think it is plausible for entire swathes of a local law enforcement community to get together and decide to sabotage a rape investigation to protect a kid who at the time was redshirting and had not played a down for the team. it seems at least conceivable that such a thing would happen to protect a heisman winner and national champion, but for a kid who had never worn a helmet on saturdays?

  92. Hawk Says:

    @ pick6

    I have not read anything about how the investigation was handled, so I have not/will not comment on whether it followed protocol. What I will ask is why do people think there was a collaborative effort, instead of (possibly) incompetence/miscommunication on the part of one (or more) participants?
    Unless something new comes to light, the rape allegation (IMO) is something to take into consideration ONLY if all other things are equal between two players (and I am talking about ALL possible draftees).