NFLPA: Mariota Beats Jameis In Marketability
February 4th, 2015
Now here’s something that might catch the eye of Team Glazer.
The marketing wing of the NFL Players Association used its resources to analyze and craft a list of player marketability.
Marcus Mariota and Mike Evans bested Jameis Winston.
It’s called the annual “Rising 50” rankings.
Per the NFLPA, the rankings represent objective analysis of 2014, on-field performances, fantasy league popularity, “early demand from current partners and licensees,” and local market forces as factors in potential popularity that leads to sales.
Here is the top 10. Keep in mind players can only appear in one year, which is why long-established stars are not listed.
1. Odell Beckham Jr.
2. Le’Veon Bell
3. Marcus Mariota
4. Antonio Brown
5. T.Y. Hilton
6. Jeremy Hill
7. Mike Evans
8. Jameis Winston
9. Randall Cobb
10. Kelvin Benjamin
So would Mariota be more popular around these parts than Winston? That’s hard to believe.
Regardless, Joe maintains that if Team Glazer was concerned about selling tickets and gear, then Tim Tebow would have been brought in years ago to compete for a backup QB job.
February 4th, 2015 at 6:02 pm
Winston will be more popular in Tampa because he will not be on the team….
February 4th, 2015 at 6:05 pm
Joe,
in all seriousness, i think you’re missing the anti-FSU/Jameis sentiment among the non-FSU fan base in the area. It is NOT a casual dislike for the guy, it’s pure hatred amongst those that do not pull for FSU. I’ve never seen anything like it and I’ve been in the area for over 40 years. Do not underestimate how much hatred is a driver in our society.
February 4th, 2015 at 6:12 pm
The owners of Mons Venus would like to debate this study
February 4th, 2015 at 6:14 pm
Not sure this will be much of a factor in the decision….both players have high levels of marketablity….
February 4th, 2015 at 6:16 pm
Tony, you’re right. Exactly. I HATE Dim Tebow. Hate the guy. But he also can’t play. Winston can play. He can play better than any other player at any position in college. (Which is why he’s bein discussed as the no.1 pick)
The anti-Winston fervor, as misguided as it is, is irrelevant in three years. If Winston is a Buc and leads us to be a Patriot style dynasty….do you think these half-wit Gator and Cane fans are still going to hate the guy?
No way. They’ll love and embrace him despite his alma mater. Wins cure. They’ll cure the hate too. Give him time. When Winston is your guy, you LOVE HIM. Just like Gators LOVED Dim
February 4th, 2015 at 6:16 pm
What no JFF?
February 4th, 2015 at 6:16 pm
In all seriousness though, nobody can be shocked by this. You got one that’s a Poster Boy and one that should/will be on a Wanted Poster
February 4th, 2015 at 6:20 pm
Honestly, I think the real shocker here is that Winston made the list at all
February 4th, 2015 at 6:21 pm
Joe, can I request a specific post? Admonishing the nit-wit posts on here who make jokes and half-baked jokes about Jameis as a criminal? Seriously. The guy is libeled on here with alarming regularity. What’s he done? Lift some crab legs? Sheesh. I’m not hearing the vitriol on our boy Warren, or any of the other ACTUAL convicted criminals out there. But with Jameis, man these people jump the shark.
Can you write one for all us Jameis defenders. I’m getting tired of telling people here that he’s not a criminal. (Wasn’t even cited for the shoplifting.)
February 4th, 2015 at 6:23 pm
This just in: The sky is blue.
February 4th, 2015 at 6:25 pm
Nationally there isn’t nearly the debate that there is locally. I’m in Chicago, most people I talk to about this who aren’t part of a built in FSU fan base don’t understand why there’s even a question about which QB to take.
February 4th, 2015 at 6:25 pm
Most people don’t like rapist
February 4th, 2015 at 6:31 pm
I feel sorry for Anyone that can say they hate another man they have never met and never did anything to them. Sad existence.
February 4th, 2015 at 6:36 pm
Anyone think Andrew Luck is any good? Well a 6th round pick led the Pats in dismantling the Luck led Colts. Well a 6th round QB and deflated Footballs. The point I am trying to make is that Luck was a #1 pick but Brady played much better. Coaching and the play of the team as a whole usually determines the outcome of games, especially championship games. So, picking either QB is not going to guarantee anything. Yes we need one but we need to keep it in perspective. Just saying.
February 4th, 2015 at 6:36 pm
Yeah Rob. I live in Montana not the Bay Area anymore. I played poker last night with 7 guys. 2 Packers fans, a Detroit fan, a Packers, a Bears fan and Seahawks fan. When I brought up the Winston vs. Mariota question not a one of em hesitated and they All said Mariota.
February 4th, 2015 at 6:40 pm
Outside of the Tampa Area this is what the rest of the country thinks.
http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=nfl&pollId=4657212
February 4th, 2015 at 6:44 pm
That’s the 2nd mons venus referance I’ve seen (the other being Walterfootball mock draft). I’ve never heard of anyone talking about Winston as a partying person or big drinker. Never any trouble with alchohol or drugs. No party pictures like Manziel had all the time. Just doesn’t really make sense.
The last story linking him to a bar or place like that was in the rape allegation; which was over 2 years ago
February 4th, 2015 at 6:45 pm
@gatrbuc
If you get out and talk to football people, Bucs fans, read the blogs and FB posts, the majority of the heavy duty Winston supporters want him either because of his school or his race. The vast majority of everybody else never want him to put on the Pewter and Red. I actually do know a few FSU people that wouldn’t touch him either. It’s a shame that it’s that way, but it is what it is
February 4th, 2015 at 6:49 pm
then Tim Tebow would have been brought in years ago to compete for a backup QB job.
I am not a Gator or a Nole. As a person who moved here more than 20 years I root for the local teams. My wife went to USF so they would be tops on my list, followed by either Florida or FSU depending which team is having the better season. In short I just want to see our state do well.
I went to U. Cinti. We have sucked at football my entire life, it’s a hoops school, with the exception of a couple of years with Brian Kelly.
Having said that…and recognizing that Tim Tebow never had an NFL arm, I still cannot figure why we do not bring him in with a creative mind like Koetter and use him as a T back…my fancy name for an H back.
Seriously Tebow IS a great athlete. He simply doesn’t have an NFL caliber arm. But his arm is a good as the Pats WR’s who throw double passes including one in the playoffs for an easy TD.
Tebow is a horse, especially if he bulked up a bit for the position. He could line up like Gronk. WR..TE…FB and in Tebow’s case even as a wildcat QB.
Imagine if the Bucs took Mariota who is blazing fast and Tebow tossed a short pass to him. Mariota is smart. He will quickly learn how to slide or get out of bounds to protect his franchise value.
Does anybody know if Tebow is on the record as saying he would ONLY play QB and nothing else in the NFL. I realize in the beginning he had to say that to have any shot at QB. But that ship has sailed. Let’s bring him in and use his great athleticism and his arm rarely and only in trick plays with wide open receivers!
February 4th, 2015 at 6:50 pm
Mariota is up there now, but like Johnny Football, once he shows the NFL and the fans how much he has to learn and need to develop, he’ll be off the list.
February 4th, 2015 at 6:50 pm
Those people all are just listening to what ESPN tells them to think just like most of you. All of you that don’t want Jameis on this team I just wonder how you’re going to feel when he is dominating the league for the next 15 years while we are still looking for a qb.
February 4th, 2015 at 6:51 pm
Johnny Football sold all kinds of Jerseys and he had all kinds of off-field problems. Winston has never been charged and people act like he is Jack the Ripper. Mariota is the nice guy who has not played in the league. Wait until he’s played about 6 games, then we will know how people really feel about him. Winston will make some fan-base really happy after about 2 or 3 years. Hopefully it’s Tampa Bay.
February 4th, 2015 at 6:52 pm
“Anyone think Andrew Luck is any good? Well a 6th round pick led the Pats in dismantling the Luck led Colts. Well a 6th round QB and deflated Footballs. The point I am trying to make is that Luck was a #1 pick but Brady played much better. ”
Forgive me if this isn’t what you were getting at, but everyone needs to just stop it with the Tom Brady was a 6th rounder talk and how it may relate to the Bucs current predicament.
A late round pick that becomes a Hall of Fame quarterback like Tom Brady comes along once every 20 years, if that. That crap isn’t repeatable, and if anyone had any clue as to what those guys would become, they’d be the first pick and every team would be offering the moon to trade up and draft them.
Tom Brady’s draft position isn’t relevant to any conversation in terms of when you should draft a QB or what the Bucs should do.
QB’s bust all the time – but the earlier you draft them (i.e., the better the prospect) the better your odds of success are, even if there’s no guarantee.
February 4th, 2015 at 6:52 pm
lol of course an ESPN poll would have those results. They’ve written as many anti-winston articles as anyone.
This whole “it’s obvious everyone would choose X QB because of my poker game or experience at beef o bradys” kind of idea is rediculous lol.
I personally know people on both sides; who are fans of different teams; some FSU alum and some not, some bucs fans, some not. I can find any example of anything if i want to look for it.
In the end none of that matters. The FO will pick whoever they think will help the Bucs win games; as long as that person passes whatever character assessments they come up with.
If we don’t pick Winston; it will likely be because they decided they didn’t trust his character. If they pick him; they were sold on him and believe in him. NO ONE in this chat will have anywhere near the insight our FO will have in this. I just hope they make a good decision and we can win football games again.
February 4th, 2015 at 6:55 pm
@ rayjay
Very true.
I like Winston personally as far as what I have seen on the field, but im not going to be bullish one way or another. I just want to win and I think either one has a good chance of that so long as the team develops them right.
I’d also like to point this out. Tom Brady just won the Super Bowl against the top rated defense in the NFL largely using spread offense tactics. The Patriots offense was nothing but fast short passes and predetermined pre-snap reads based on pre-snap motion
coverage reads. Just a little bone for the Marcus Mariota crowd
February 4th, 2015 at 6:59 pm
“Those people all are just listening to what ESPN tells them to think just like most of you. All of you that don’t want Jameis on this team I just wonder how you’re going to feel when he is dominating the league for the next 15 years while we are still looking for a qb.”
I could just as easily say that all you Winston-fluffers are just saying what FSU homerism tells you to think and I wonder how you’re going to feel when Jameis is in rehab or jail within three years.
February 4th, 2015 at 7:02 pm
gatrbuc17 …you mean to tell me you asked a bunch of guys out west which QB is better and they picked Mariota?
Why not just go play poker in Oregon and ask the question?
February 4th, 2015 at 7:05 pm
@ gotbbucs
I’m glad that somebody else noticed that about the Patriot’s offense that just won the Superbowl. Now just imagine how unstoppable it would be if Brady was as mobile and fast as Mariota
February 4th, 2015 at 7:06 pm
@Rob
There is nothing to forgive. My post was probably not too clear. I was not attempting to insinuate that the Bucs should take a QB later in the draft. I was trying to point out that it is possible to not win with either as coaching and talent surrounding any QB usually has an immense impact on how much of a successful career a QB will have with a team. People make it sound like one of these Rookie QB will guarantee us another championship and I feel like that is a little short sighted. I am not anti Winston nor anti Mariota. I am just going to keep realistic expectations.
February 4th, 2015 at 7:09 pm
@Patrick I hope you also realize that Brady can make all the throws needed as well. If you watch the tape of Mariota, his accuracy is not very good when he has to throw into tight windows. Even Brady has struggled to complete long passes.
February 4th, 2015 at 7:09 pm
or if Mariota was as accurate as Brady…
February 4th, 2015 at 7:13 pm
@87
A QB doesn’t have to be as accurate on all of those short throws. I didn’t exactly see Brady having to throw into tight windows while he was winning the Superbowl
February 4th, 2015 at 7:16 pm
Basically, this team needs a lot of pieces to become a great team. It is going to require patience and the right coaching. Steve Young went on to become a very good QB but looked like crap when he was a Buc. I just do not want to lose another very good QB due to that QB not being put in a position to excel here.
February 4th, 2015 at 7:19 pm
87…………Your Homerism is reaching new heights. Not one of those guys grew up here or are Oregon fans. They are simply people who have Zero Bias
February 4th, 2015 at 7:21 pm
gatrbuc17…still out west though.
I bet you go into California and find everyone saying take Mariota.
February 4th, 2015 at 7:22 pm
This has got to be the easiest stretch is all of JBF history. All the Joes have to do is toss out a Jameis Winston story every other day and watch the click rate take off….
February 4th, 2015 at 7:22 pm
And 87 you know I have no probs with you. I just can’t get over the fact that you and some others don’t understand how the rest of the world thinks concerning Winston.
February 4th, 2015 at 7:23 pm
Better yet…I was in Gainesville 2 weeks ago at a Gator bar and most people at the bar said the Bucs should take Winston.’
Hands down.
February 4th, 2015 at 7:24 pm
Rest of the world??? Yeah your right. I guess I will never know what they think of him Budapest.
February 4th, 2015 at 7:24 pm
Brady made a ton of accurate throws in small windows in the SB .. His throws may have been short for the most part but his timing had to be perfect along with his accuracy. If not; then his WRs can’t get the YAC needed; or the ball gets picked.
His TD throw to Gronk was perfection. No one could have covered it because of how perfectly it was thrown and Gronk’s size advantage.
Also the Pats only used that game plan against the Seahawks because their style of D forces you to dink and dunk down the field because they don’t give up big plays and stay disciplined. In other games they run more; or throw deep more. Their offensive identity changes with the game plan.
February 4th, 2015 at 7:25 pm
Yeah, I guess a Gator fan and Florida born and raised Bucs fan could oppose all things FSU because in the state rivalry between the two dominant college teams one has to pick a side. I’ve been a Gator fan for 50 years, it’s hard to change old allegiances. Having said that, I don’t really have a problem bringing Winston into the Bucs fold. I understand both sides of the debate. What’s the worst thing that can happen taking Winston? Another unwise pick from the Bucs and a setback? I have to be optimistic that the opposite will happen, finally a QB who give Bucs fans a shot at the big time for years to come. I’ll settle for whoever the pick is, but I think Winston is the better choice to lead the Bucs.
February 4th, 2015 at 7:26 pm
lol @ gatrbuc17 being the voice of the world opinion. Jesus dude
February 4th, 2015 at 7:30 pm
The rest of America hates Winston it’s only us FSU homers that think he will be a top 5 draft pick….just ask the rest of the country.
Better yet…just ask all the mock drafts and analysts how come they have him going so high in draft while everyone hates him…
smh.
The funniest comment comes from… who was it Chunky Munky that said Winston will fall out of the 1st 2 rounds. That dude should be checked for mental illness.
February 4th, 2015 at 7:32 pm
Buccfan37 and Couch Fan = Both Gator fans = Both pick Jameis.
In fact Couch said he would cry if they don’t pick him.
February 4th, 2015 at 7:33 pm
Clicking on the link it has nothing to do with ESPN.
February 4th, 2015 at 7:33 pm
@ Lord Cornelius……….I have been a Bucs fan since 1976 and have attended over 150 games in my life. I will support Whoever the Bucs pick as I am a fan. I do however live in a demographic that allows me more broad opinions than most folks. Over 2 Million people a year visit this town from all over the world. I am not a Jameis Hater NOR a Mariota Fanboy. I am merely stating facts. The rest of the country and other teams fans dont have a hard on for Jameis as some people do. Here I will post it again for you
http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=nfl&pollId=4657212
February 4th, 2015 at 7:37 pm
So what? Manziel’s “marketability” was incredibly high at this time last year. But it was all based on nothing more than perception and a cool sounding (unjustly earned) nickname. How many advertisers are lining up for the “Johnny Football brand” now? How many NFL jerseys is he going to sell this off season? Manziel may still turn out to be a decent NFL QB – but its looking doubtful at this point.
The point is – marketability comes with success once the initial hoopla over a prospect fades away. If Winston can help turn the Bucs fortunes around and we start winning more games than we lose – then his “marketability will be off the charts.
February 4th, 2015 at 7:40 pm
gatrbuc17 Says:
February 4th, 2015 at 7:33 pm
I am not a Jameis Hater
I’m calling BS on that statement. If you aren’t a Jameis hater than why do you constantly make posts on here that are 100% negative about Winston?
February 4th, 2015 at 7:47 pm
@gator
I’m sure there will be more polls over time. I’ve personally spoken with fans of other teams who think Winston will be good.
obviously it’s a more popular opinion to hate on Winston. The dude was accused of rape. If there were a poll on Ben Roeth i’m sure people would root for his failure as well. But people’s opinions don’t determine what kind of person he really is or whether or not he’ll be a good QB.
Even looking at your poll; only less than half of the nation thinks he’ll be a bust. There’s a significant chunk of votes that have him as a starter or pro bowler. Do you think those are all entirely FSU votes? I don’t.
If anything; I would have expected MORE people to vote he’d be a bust; based upon the typical image the media has given for Winston.
February 4th, 2015 at 7:49 pm
I have not ran into one fan in Tampa that wants Winston. You people think if Mariota had played for FSU that people who wanted Winston hated FSU??? Thats a little far fetched. Everyone I have spoke with thinks it should be Mariota. I do too, but I think Glennon or Foles will be our starter next year. Either way I dont mind as long as it isnt Winston
February 4th, 2015 at 7:50 pm
I normally go on other teams versions of JBF to see what their opinions are, u guys saying that the nation favor Mariota and those of you saying ESPN and people on here in other states are wrong. Kind of gives you a little perspective even though in the long run it comes down to L&L and the Glazers.
February 4th, 2015 at 7:51 pm
I live in California. While there is admittedly a Pac 12 bias, everyone here would rather take Mariota. Take your blinders off FSU fans – Winston is only treated like a god in Florida.
February 4th, 2015 at 7:52 pm
Mr Patrick I find it interesting how you say people want him because of his race. That’s biggest bunch of crap I have ever heard. I think most of the people who don’ t want him; don’t because of his race. Just like the guys at that poker game in Montana. Most will not admit it but it is true. The obvious ones are the jerks who compare him to other black QBs like Jamarcus Russell or Josh Freeman. The reason why this team doesn’t win goes back to its bitchin’ holier than thou fans who are afraid of any decision that entails risk or a little controversy. So, you know what; if you are arguing for the better QB (Winston) just stop! The numbskulls can have their forum. Maybe Lovie and Jason will listen and Jameis will be on the long list of players passed over or let go by the Bucs tearing it up or playing in the SB for other teams. By the way, most people like Jameis because of 29-1 or because he understands the pro game already but if you want to learn a little something about Jameis Winston put hashtag facts Jameis in your search engine, click on the link and read but I know you’re not! So be ignorant and keep repeating the BS!
February 4th, 2015 at 7:54 pm
To hell with marketability, I just want a fearless QB that can win football games…starting the season with Glennon and McCown as our top QB’s again makes me nauseous …
I cant wait to see what Winston does at the combine, if he goes HaM he’ll leave L&L no choice but to draft him #1…
February 4th, 2015 at 8:02 pm
I am a Gator alum. Class of 77. I’ve been a Gator fan since Steve Spurrier was the QB.
I’ve been a Bucs fan since Steve Spurrier was the QB.
Oh yeah, that was day 1.
I am all for picking Jameis Winston. He is a winner.
End of story.
February 4th, 2015 at 8:04 pm
Mr. Patrick where the hell you people want him because of his race I believe that is a bunch of bullspit you probably don’t want him because of his race. So I guess everyone hates MM because of his race. The President of the USA is from Hawaii. You are the racist here my friend..
February 4th, 2015 at 8:07 pm
WV Bucs fan here, Winston is the best QB prospect on this class, in both floor and ceiling.
Mariota is a nice player…. for the #2 overall pick.
February 4th, 2015 at 8:12 pm
Mr. Patrick,
Since it matters to you, I’m pro Winston and half white/Lebanese.
Also, the majority of people see Winston as a superior talent.
The NFL is a business, and about winning. You and other fans let your personal emotions cloud the situation. Winston is innocent until proven guilty.
BPA all day. This is why I won’t be upset at all if we take Leonard Williams. It’s as simple as that.
February 4th, 2015 at 8:13 pm
Getting back to the original subject of Joe’s post. I ran a large sports marketing company for several years and we specialized in marketing high school athletes to colleges and universities that they hoped to get scholarship offers from. We put together packages to send to the schools to peak their interest and hopefully make them want to find out more about our kids. If the kid had a couple of bad or questionable things on his record we would have to downplay those into something very small and minor and try our best to make it a non-issue and get the school to concentrate on the kid’s ability. If the kid was clean and had good grades and good family it was 100 times easier.
With that being said, strictly from a marketing standpoint, Mariota would be a dream to market and Winston would be a nightmare. Winston is fortunate that all of his antics happened after he was already in college or he would have ended up in a JR. College somewhere for 2 years having to prove in that time that he deserved a chance at a bigger school. Mariota would probably have his choice of schools.
Now, on a higher and profesional sports level it will be pretty much the same. Whatever team decides to take Winston will have the immediate problem of trying to “sell” him to the fanbase, many of which are families with young children and women. Most people will be watching him to see how long it takes him to screw up again as much as his actual football. Plus he will not be somebody that these fans want their kids to look up to or idolize. And we haven’t even gotten into corporate sponsorship which means millions of dollars each year.
With Mariota, all of that is totally the opposite.
There’ s a lot more to football than just football
February 4th, 2015 at 8:13 pm
If people would like or dislike one another for what is on the inside rather than how they look on the outside, the world would be a better place. Never going to happen though which is one of many reasons why the world sucks.
February 4th, 2015 at 8:14 pm
Pickgrin…………Im sorry that you are not mature or wise enough to know the difference. I “Hate” noone. I don’t let anyone control me like that. I don’t believe that he will change his pattern of behavior. That is all.
February 4th, 2015 at 8:19 pm
@ Pants
Let’s see, my choice for the #1 pick is Leonard Williams and last year I beat the drum hard for Teddy Bridgewater so yes I must be a racist because it sounds like I hate white players
February 4th, 2015 at 8:20 pm
I haven’t gone to either school and wanted Mariota before I looked closely at the games. Now I’m all in on Winston. He’s the better QB and the only people who think Mariota is better are people who either hate Winston so much they can’t make an unbiased decision, Oregon fan, just look at stats or just don’t care/know what it takes to be an NFL QB.
I’ll give Patrick one thing, he hated Winton last year too so he’s consistent.
February 4th, 2015 at 8:29 pm
Only True Ignorants would believe that someone that doesn’t want Winston is because of race. Oh and True Ignorants that actually don’t want him because of race.
February 4th, 2015 at 8:33 pm
LOL Patrick.
February 4th, 2015 at 8:36 pm
Me. Patrick,
I agree, Leonard Williams is a beast.
February 4th, 2015 at 8:36 pm
I can actually see Dolman Law and Morgan&Morgan Law fighting for his services #CrabBoy. In Lawyer terms, Winston’s a gold mine.
February 4th, 2015 at 8:41 pm
@ Luther
You are either badly mistaken or talking out the backside. I wasn’t on here that much last year and when I was on I was under a different screen name as somebody else was using the same one I was so I switched.
Also, I didn’t hate Winston this year or last year as I don’t allow myself to hate anybody. Geez, I even like crazy old 87, lol What I do hate however is the thought of somebody with the character issues and flaws being the QB and face of the team that I have loved since 1976. They deserve better
February 4th, 2015 at 9:01 pm
If he swims with the dolphins, should he wear condoms? #TheNaughtyCrab
February 4th, 2015 at 9:04 pm
Apparently neither gatrbuc nor Mr. Patrick understand what “hater” means in terms of internet vernacular. Of course you don’t truly HATE the person as you would someone who murders your child or something. Neither of you have ever met Jameis Winston and he hasn’t done anything to you personally – so of course you don’t HATE him.
But constantly (and annoyingly prolifically) talking negatively about a young man that you don’t know – to the point of unjustified slander in a # of cases – over and over on these forums – simply because you don’t want your team to draft him is being a flat out “hater”.
Own it. And strive to be better than that. I prefer that the Bucs take Winston over Mario (or Williams) by a wide margin. But I’m not on here slamming Mariota constantly and unjustifiably just because I want our team to draft Winston. See the difference? probably not. Sigh…..
February 4th, 2015 at 9:05 pm
I don’t care what the country thinks. Winston will get us going now.
Gator18. You’re using the word “homerism” too much.
February 4th, 2015 at 9:05 pm
Mario(ta)
February 4th, 2015 at 9:14 pm
I like Winston A LOT! I don’t like bad publicity on my team though. If that’s what I have to endure then i’ll pass. With that being said…..losing brings bad publicity too.
February 4th, 2015 at 9:22 pm
And I bet in ’95 Mike Mamula would have been more marketable than Warren Sapp
February 4th, 2015 at 9:23 pm
I bet in ’98 Kevin Dyson would have been more marketable than Randy Moss
February 4th, 2015 at 9:26 pm
For anyone who actually thinks Mariota is the answer, quit being impatient about us winning sooner because Mariota won’t start at least until half the year is over. Jameis is the only day 1 starting QB in this draft and if you don’t believe me then just go to Daniel Jeremiahs NFL.com vids about who we should draft. I’m not 100% sure but I think he has more scouting knowledge than we do but you all have your opinions and I respect that.
February 4th, 2015 at 9:29 pm
I am against us taking Either QB for those with reading comprehension problems. Funny that nobody calls me a Mariota “Hater” . Just those that seem to believe in Winston beyond what most do call me a Winston “Hater”
I want to trade with the Jets and take Scherff or Peat. SO call me a Scherff/Peat lover OK?
February 4th, 2015 at 9:30 pm
It’s ok @bucbucbuc Winston will be treated better in the whole country when he wins rookie of the year next year.
February 4th, 2015 at 9:35 pm
@Cream
Both good posts by you.
However, Sapp and Moss were suspected of smoking a little weed and being a little but of an a$$.
Winston has a history of bad, stupid behavior with noted character issues plus a Rape allegation and everything that comes with that so your comparing apples to oranges
February 4th, 2015 at 9:43 pm
For the record….I’m a Buc fan first and a Nole second.
I’ve waited sooooooooo long for a franchise QB on this team just as everyone else has. So I think I would lean Winston even if I wasn’t a Nole and that’s the straight up truth.
What people seem to not know because I don’t ever say it all that much is I too was against drafting Winston at 1 point.
Andrew 1 and I discussed his immaturity in here about 4 months ago on here long before this debate started and I said I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole, because of the immaturity. So ya seeeeeee I’m not JUST an FSU homer. Andrew and I talked for a bit about it. The next day I started to mull it over saw a few more Noles games and changed my mind.
I still did want him to be a Buc since 2013, but that was before crab legs and BB guns. Then I just dismissed them as minor offenses. I REALLY don’t think he will have the time to get into too much trouble as long as he’s the starter. I also think that he WILL grow up and I’d like that to be in Tampa Bay under a stern leader like Lovie Smith. I actually think Lovie is the perfect coach for a kid like this. This is just my opinion and believe me when I say being a Nole has nothing to do with it.
February 4th, 2015 at 9:43 pm
@98
I’ve seen Jeremiah many times talk about Winston and each time that he talks about his on field talent he also brings up his off-field problems and says that they are real and teams will have to sort through those to see if he is worth the risk. He also acknowledges that both Winston and Mariota are slightly elevated because the reat of the QB class is so weak.
Just because a mule outruns a goat does not mean he’s a thoroughbred
February 4th, 2015 at 9:48 pm
“This has got to be the easiest stretch is all of JBF history. All the Joes have to do is toss out a Jameis Winston story every other day and watch the click rate take off….”
Agreed. Joe figured out last year that hyping a controversial player for the Bucs will result in lots of clicks and lots of comments. The worst part is, he / they can do it all over again every day until the draft.
February 4th, 2015 at 9:49 pm
Yep mariota is the pick. Sorry the glazers and movies mind has already been made up. Hopefully the Winston guys will find it to still be fans when mariota is killing it for us and jameis leftwich err…. Winston is busting it up on another team.
February 4th, 2015 at 9:53 pm
@Patrick, do I need to go back and pull up your comments? I wouldn’t make the statement if I didn’t read it.
February 4th, 2015 at 9:56 pm
Everyone went to school with a kid that got into trouble ALL the time.
That kid was me. I lived in the principals office in elementary school.
Got held back in 6th grade, not because my grades were not good enough, but because all the teachers told my mother that I was not mature enough for JR high.
Spent most of my days in high school in detention and in school suspension.
Got thrown out of FSU for basically never going to class and partying too much.
My point is. I think Winston wanted be a show off in college. He had the spotlight, but wanted more. I don’t think it’s a case of I’m Jameis Winston and I can do whatever I want. I think it’s a case of I’m Jameis Winston and I don’t give an F. I think he wanted to be a show off is what I think, regardless of his status on the football field. I think he wanted to be like John Belushi in Animal House. I think he took a carefree approach to college, just as I did. That’s why nothing seemed to bother him when he was on the field, where as most people that bring that kind of stress on themselves off the field would wilt on the field. See : Josh Freeman
February 4th, 2015 at 9:58 pm
@ Robb
Yep, we are all helping Joe sell his advertising space. Maybe he should pay us all a commission or have us a big party
February 4th, 2015 at 10:02 pm
@ Luther
LOL If that’s all you have to do then Brother knock yourself out
February 4th, 2015 at 10:02 pm
Mr. Patrick …now that you mentioned that….lol
I was going to say the same thing about 2 hours ago. Only I was thinking that Joe should pay you and I.
Hell without all our 50-60 comments per thread the site would have no comments.
Just kidding Joe…I was making a funny.
February 4th, 2015 at 10:04 pm
“I want to trade with the Jets and take scherff”
I’m on board with that. Guy is going top 5 in my opinion though.
February 4th, 2015 at 10:16 pm
@ 87
I enjoyed reading your post. And I understand the behavior. Some people grow out of that and some people don’t. The jails are full of repeat offenders in their 40’s and 50’s. And that’s the risk that the Bucs or any other team that takes Winston will take. He has turned anybody that supports him into defense attornies like he did Jimbo and may continue to do so And like Mike Mayock and Chris Landry both said, he has brought it all on himself. I hope he gets his stuff together and has a good life. But just in case he doesn’t, I don’t want the Bucs to be his next defense attorney then be looking for another QB in a couple of years and be where they are now. At this point he is who he is and there’s nothing that Lovie, Derrick or anybody else can do about it
February 4th, 2015 at 10:18 pm
@ 87
LOL
February 4th, 2015 at 10:22 pm
@ Posey99
I’d be fine with that also. Bucs need to get some dominators there
February 4th, 2015 at 10:24 pm
Goodnight folks. Everybody have a great evening
February 4th, 2015 at 10:27 pm
Pat Kirwan’s 2015 NFL Mock Draft No. 1: Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston go 1-2.
I really think it’s too early for mock drafts, but whatver.
Good Night Patrick.
See ya tomorrow. Sharpen your blades!
February 4th, 2015 at 10:40 pm
Did someone say losing brings bad publicity? Losing brings no publicity… We are irrelevant. And I don’t mind it because I could care less what others think of our team. Although, how pissed will the rest of the NFL fans be if Jameis makes us a perrenial winner. Just think Pat, Gatr and NYBF x 100… It will be glorious!
February 4th, 2015 at 10:48 pm
Rose colored glass are nice aren’t they JSmalls
February 4th, 2015 at 10:57 pm
have to say I am kind of puzzled over the thought that lovie is even going to want a rookie QB when he needs to start winning this year no way are the glazers going to put up with that crap again. no win at home none. wow ! and yet everybody on here or most think that’s what there going to do. that’s like another long season. personally I don’t think either QB is worthy of the #1 pick. and there not going to come in and start winning games they have a lot to learn. and one has some head issues that we know! I think lovie is going to ride this thing out to see how many picks he can get for the pick. jmo.
February 4th, 2015 at 10:58 pm
“Everyone went to school with a kid that got into trouble ALL the time.
That kid was me. I lived in the principals office in elementary school.
Got held back in 6th grade, not because my grades were not good enough, but because all the teachers told my mother that I was not mature enough for JR high.
Spent most of my days in high school in detention and in school suspension.
Got thrown out of FSU for basically never going to class and partying too much.
My point is. I think Winston wanted be a show off in college. He had the spotlight, but wanted more. I don’t think it’s a case of I’m Jameis Winston and I can do whatever I want. I think it’s a case of I’m Jameis Winston and I don’t give an F. I think he wanted to be a show off is what I think, regardless of his status on the football field. I think he wanted to be like John Belushi in Animal House. I think he took a carefree approach to college, just as I did. That’s why nothing seemed to bother him when he was on the field, where as most people that bring that kind of stress on themselves off the field would wilt on the field. See : Josh Freeman”
Do you think Winston will be less of a show off one the NFL spotlight is on him?
Do you think someone who demonstrated a distinct lack of professionalism should be gifted the keys to the franchise without first demonstrating that he won’t be a show boating troublemaker after he gets a $20+ million contract?
I don’t see how making him the 1st overall pick and handing him a giant bag of money is going to teach him that his college antics wont’ fly in the NFL. If anything it would reinforce the idea that what he did paid off.
Interesting that you use Josh Freeman as a comparison here. Freeman turned into a total screw up at the end… substance abuse if you believe the rumors. It set the team back another 3 to 5 years. I don’t think being a clown, or a troublemaker or being carefree is going to differentiate Winston from Freeman. If anything it’ll lead them to the same place.
Professionalism, maturity, and not caring about anything that distracts from football are the qualities that prevent you from ending up like Freeman.
February 4th, 2015 at 11:04 pm
@ ROB true. I agree bozo should not be handed the keys to anything he should earn it!
February 4th, 2015 at 11:11 pm
Rob Says:
February 4th, 2015 at 10:58 pm
I don’t see how making him the 1st overall pick and handing him a giant bag of money is going to teach him that his college antics wont’ fly in the NFL. If anything it would reinforce the idea that what he did paid off.
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Yea – that makes sense Rob. We should pass on Winston #1 just to teach him the lesson that there is a steep price to pay for “college antics”. Being picked 2nd or 3rd or 6th instead of 1st will really knock the wind right out of his sails and will humble him to no end. (written in sarcasm font)
February 4th, 2015 at 11:13 pm
“Yea – that makes sense Rob. We should pass on Winston #1 just to teach him the lesson that there is a steep price to pay for “college antics”. Being picked 2nd or 3rd or 6th instead of 1st will really knock the wind right out of his sails and will humble him to no end. (written in sarcasm font)”
Yeah, you’re not understanding what I’m saying.
We should pass on Winston because there’s another, more mature, focused option right there for the taking – one who’s got all the physical tools, the mental make up, and has had a ton of success in college without getting into an ounce of trouble. One who (despite what you’ll here on this board) most scouts think incredibly highly of, and most scouts think is completely worthy of the #1 pick.
February 4th, 2015 at 11:14 pm
Yes Rob I’ve already said I think he will grow up and grow up fast. I think he will come to the NFL and settle down and I don’t care about all the other examples of past players. That’s just my opinion. There’s something about him that tells me he will grow up and college is college for him. I think he knows this too.
Most of the stuff he did WAS minor if you throw out the accusation.
He’s not caught at bars partying all night.(Manziel) He’s not tested positive for drugs.(Warren Sapp) He’s never punched a fan in the face. (Blount)
To me stealing crab legs will no longer be an issue for him and I used to shoot BB guns at neighborhood kids.
February 4th, 2015 at 11:22 pm
Should he have stayed out of trouble after the accusation? YES!
I know what people are saying about a pattern and I get their point.
Let’s see what he does over the next 3 months….now that he’s OUT of college.
If he still screws up from now until the draft. I will be the first one on here to drop him like a hot potato.
If you guys think your tired of me talking about Winston, imagine how my wife feels. lol
February 4th, 2015 at 11:24 pm
What has Jameis done that would have gotten him suspended in the NFL?
February 4th, 2015 at 11:27 pm
“I know what people are saying about a pattern and I get their point.
Let’s see what he does over the next 3 months….now that he’s OUT of college.
If he still screws up from now until the draft. I will be the first one on here to drop him like a hot potato.”
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The only problem there is that it’s a lot easier to behave for a few months beforehand knowing a huge payday is right around the corner. It’s like players in their contract year. Some earn it and then go off and forget how to block or catch a pass or whatever as soon as the ink is dry.
I want the guy who has been stayed out of trouble all along. Your college career is your job interview, not the few sit downs you have just before the draft.
February 4th, 2015 at 11:28 pm
really!! popsicle!! oh nothing model student lmfao in the NFL just being accused for rape stealing guns he would be fuc***
February 4th, 2015 at 11:31 pm
I keep going back to his 3rd college game. I’m sitting there watching the game and I must have said wow about 15 times already. I called my wife into the room and said “watch this kid for a second, watch how he plays”. She was wowed too very quickly. That’s when I said to her, “this kid is ready for the pros now, forget college, it’s not even fair.”
That was in 2013 long before the Bucs even had the number 1 pick in the draft.
Now people should no longer wonder why I’m so big on Winston.
February 4th, 2015 at 11:34 pm
to start can you say each charge would be automatic suspension till charges solved that’s the problem with you fsu people u think the NFL is the same as that school. WRONG!! especially now with all the nfl is going thru with idiots like bozo#5
February 4th, 2015 at 11:34 pm
stealing guns?
February 4th, 2015 at 11:36 pm
Rob…you don’t think he knew there was going be a huge payday when he was doing all those things back then. Of course he did.
February 4th, 2015 at 11:38 pm
mikeh…what was your grade point average in high school or did you graduate?
February 4th, 2015 at 11:43 pm
No surprise here.
February 4th, 2015 at 11:43 pm
Since I can’t get an answer. I bet Winston’s was a lot higher.
Let’s just say this he had a 3.4 GPA in college and his high school GPA was a lot higher than that.
February 4th, 2015 at 11:44 pm
If anyone thinks this is a reason why Mariota should be drafted ahead of Winston, they are not smart. I’m sure this list has some kinda of purpose, but the difference between 3 and 8 is really rather insignificant. And I don’t think it takes individual markets into account, but rather NFL fans as a global population.
February 4th, 2015 at 11:45 pm
stealing and bb gun which would get you shot in some states whatever bonehead! because u think he is great we know. and what makes you a pro scout. please go to bed and dream of bozo#5 and shut up!!!
February 4th, 2015 at 11:47 pm
Straight A’s in high school mikeh. Straight A’s.
February 4th, 2015 at 11:48 pm
Winston had a 4.0 in High School and was accepted to Stanford. You know the school where Andrew Luck played.
February 4th, 2015 at 11:49 pm
and if I am correct most states you have to have a FID just to have a bb or pellet gun but not your friigin school who would of thought. wow!!
February 4th, 2015 at 11:56 pm
ooooh!!! and that means? don’t matter what his high school grades were. how good was oj simpsons grades? your f****d pal really!!!!
February 4th, 2015 at 11:56 pm
Winston was not the only players on the team shooting BB guns that night. It’s not like he acted alone.
Winston took Advanced Placement classes at Hueytown High School. He sailed through them, said Marrianne Hayward, the instructional assistant principal at Hueytown High School. It was English, math, science, the core courses. Hayward said Winston did a television interview in the 10th grade and said on air, “If I make below a B in a class, my mother will spank me.”
“He not only did well in school, he had colleges here all the time recruiting him, and he withstood the pressure,” Hayward said. “His grades were so good he talked about going to college to study to be a podiatrist.”
February 4th, 2015 at 11:57 pm
There now are three teams rumored to have made or wanting to make a trade with that Buccaneers to select Mariota. No teams even have been rumored to want to move up to take Winston. What does that tell you?
February 5th, 2015 at 12:04 am
“I went to Auburn and he knew I wanted him to go to Auburn, but he was always friendly in joking back and forth about it,”his high school football coach said. “He wanted to go to a school with some pre-engineering and calculus, and he told me once, ‘I want to go to a school where I’m comfortable and I fit the most,’ and I said, ‘Yes, that’s where you need to go.'”
February 5th, 2015 at 12:06 am
so the cops didn’t even care! that there was a gun on campus really this day and age nice school pamper to the athletes. and by the way some get there grades from teachers who are fans. or just maybe to get rid of them. can you say spoiled rotten!!! and my grades and life is none of your business. im doing just fine. im surprised you don’t no when this kid takes a shit! or do you.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:07 am
I’m effed and your comparing him to OJ…
I think you got that backwards mental mike.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:07 am
It’s now 11:08 pm….do you know where your future francise Quarterback is?
February 5th, 2015 at 12:11 am
your EFFED pal and looks like your a stocker! you know more about this pinhead than his mother. that’s weird. man!!!
February 5th, 2015 at 12:12 am
I’d be willing to bet my house that there are students on campuses all over the country that are doing far worse things than stealing crab legs and shooting BB guns at squirrels. Only they don’t have the spotlight on them like Winston does.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:13 am
If Winston is so smart…(straight As)…why does he do such stupid stuff…..the answer is that he has no real common sense….to stand up after the rape allegation and to yell what he yelled….in public….is just plain stupid and shows that he doesn’t have a clue about how his actions matter…
Now….can he throw the hell out of a football….absolutely…..do you want him to be a role model for your children?……not until he starts living like Jeter
February 5th, 2015 at 12:14 am
I think you should be a fan of whatever sorry team ends up with this bozo! cuz he is all you really care about. weird!!
February 5th, 2015 at 12:14 am
mikeh…I know a lot about Jameis Winston. That’s a fact. I’m like a Winston encyclopedia.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:17 am
TBBF…you google this to see what I’ve learned if you get the time.
Just copy and paste these words.
How Do Folks in Jameis Winston’s Hometown See Star QB Now?
February 5th, 2015 at 12:19 am
great like I care!!!!
February 5th, 2015 at 12:23 am
some of us work for a living. not look into someone elses lives. so good night bozo#5 and your lover 87. sweet dreams of stinking on the jets. lol
February 5th, 2015 at 12:23 am
If people think Winston’s immature, then surely they need to go back and see just how immature he was back in high school…
Good Night Jim Bob.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:24 am
mikeh…and some of us own their own business. Do you need a job?
February 5th, 2015 at 12:31 am
@87
Nice article….I’m not saying Jameis doesn’t have a good side or doesn’t have supporters….just pointing out that he is a product of his reputation (outside his home town)….and he has to live a very clean life from this point forward.
I’m sure some of this will help him when the Bucs check him out…and if they are comfortable enough to draft him….I’ll be a supporter….
My instincts are just telling me that it will be a difficult task to bring Lovie & the Glazers on board…
February 5th, 2015 at 12:33 am
correct I build houses. what you own a hot dog stand that’s called jamies dogs!
February 5th, 2015 at 12:34 am
Good night…but I’ll be up at the crack of dawn for my next dose of Winston 101….
February 5th, 2015 at 12:40 am
TBBF…it’s not lack of common sense…it’s being a show off amongst his peers.
mikh…go pound your hammer in the morning and pick up your paycheck on Friday.
Good night Mary Ellen.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:41 am
Winston will be roommates with Johnny Football in rehabby next year.
If the Bucs draft Winston, I may have to quit football for a bit. Sometimes I think media guys want him because they know “drama” willdri e up their own ratings and gi e them interesti ng things to talkabout.
Mariota would be more popular, Joe, because he would do things in the community and women wouldn’t need guards around them.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:43 am
“The Bucs need drama” is the carion cry of the defeated masses with short memories. Drama hasn’t help in the last 5 years. It won’t help now.
February 5th, 2015 at 12:58 am
Sure around most of Florida Jameis is potentially more “marketable” but looking the whole country Mariota’s heisman is alot more fresh in Americas mind than Jameis’ from 2013. What’s fresh in most peoples minds in regards to Winston are allegations of rape and shouting obscenities like a middle schooler. Not to mention Winston dosen’t come off as intelligent or well spoken while Mariota does. Kind of a shame because Jameis is very talented and probably alot smarter than anyone on this comment section. In the big picture though being “marketable” is nice I guess but Lombardi’s are far more important. Which is why despite I, LargoBuc, a GATOR fan, feels that Winston should be our QB come September. I’ll take him over Mariota. I’ll take him over Mike Glennon whom I really like (Steel city miracle) and I would take ANY of those three over Josh OMG Mccown! So yeah marketability is for Yankee fans :p
February 5th, 2015 at 12:58 am
Mariota may be the popular choice especially if you believe the Tee-pee inspired smoke that’s blowing about the Bucs mindset with the #1 pick. Winston is the guy and Mariota will be the cards we play to see what teams are willing to give up to get the Golden Boy. However, the better QB that will produce in the NFL is Winston. Anybody avoiding the kool-aid and watching the talent of these 2 knows Winston is the more polished, pro-ready QB.
February 5th, 2015 at 3:18 am
You build crystal houses mikeh, crystal houses.
February 5th, 2015 at 10:46 am
Hay BuccaneerBonzai; you are talking out the side of your neck. Jamies is nothing like Manziel. You have heard nothing about Jameis partying and drinking. Jameis is dedicated to the game and miles better than Manziel but if you need to be enlightened Google hashtag facts Jameis and read!!!!! Then maybe you’ll stop posting bullsh!!!!!!!
February 5th, 2015 at 12:53 pm
“I’d be willing to bet my house that there are students on campuses all over the country that are doing far worse things than stealing crab legs and shooting BB guns at squirrels. Only they don’t have the spotlight on them like Winston does.”
And none of them will be the face of the Buccaneer franchise either.
February 5th, 2015 at 6:19 pm
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February 5th, 2015 at 9:11 pm
VeeJay24, you should do the reading. He got drunk at a party, stood on a table and shouted onsenities at girls.
So…back atcha, idiot.
February 6th, 2015 at 1:41 pm
Who is the idiot? You can’t even get the stuff he supposedly did wrong correct. You are what’s wrong with this fan base. You had no response so you just throw out more misinformation. Instead of of reading and learning something. My fault: you probably can’t read too well; so why bother!!!
February 8th, 2015 at 2:25 pm
Drunk at a party and yelled the obscenity???? Are you serious. How can you be that clueless as to when that happened! It is absolutely amazing how many idiots get on here and post such stupid sh**!
February 8th, 2015 at 2:27 pm
And lol at calling veejay an idiot right after you post something that is completely inaccurate!