Mike Mayock Is Way Off
February 16th, 2015
Joe has tremendous respect for super draft guru Mike Mayock of NFL Network, but enough is enough.
Mayock’s comments about the Buccaneers during his annual pre-combine news conference today bordered on ridiculous.
Mayock had the nerve to say Jason Licht and Lovie Smith are not in an enviable position. (Transcription per Buccaneers.com)
With much discussion focusing on Winston’s activities off the field, Mayock said that he was more concerned with what the quarterback was doing on the field. “I don’t envy (general manager) Jason (Licht) and (head coach) Lovie (Smith) and that group and their decision because there is a consensus top two at the quarterback position, but there’s contrasting issues with both of them,” Mayock said. “With Jameis Winston, my concern, number one, is on the field. That is – I think he throws too many interceptions.” Winston threw 18 interceptions in 2014 and was picked off 10 times the year before. “However, I can see everything I want on the field beyond that,” Mayock added.
What the heck is going on?
Lovie and Licht are in a fantastic spot. They’re the envy of the draft. They need a QB and are in position to take pro-ready, monster talent Jameis Winston, or they can go the developmental route with another mega talent, Marcus Mariota.
That’s as good as it gets for Lovie and Licht, as long as they don’t screw up the pick by failing to draft a true franchise quarterback prospect, like they did last year.
All the Bucs need to do is investigate and interview Winston and Mariota, bring them in for intense talks and private workouts under veteran coordinator Dirk Koetter, and then freakin’ pick one. That’s it. Pick a QB, fix the offensive line, and get Lovie back to coaching the way he did in Chicago.
Simple as that, as Lovie would say.
Whichever QB the Bucs draft is measurably better than Josh McCown or Mike Glennon. It’s an upgrade and a shot in the arm for the organization.
The Bucs haven’t had it so easy since Gerald McCoy was available with the No. 3 overall pick.
As for Mayock’s evaluation of QBs, last year his final rankings had Johnny Football as the top QB on the board (10th overall), followed by Blake Bortles (15th), then Derek Carr (20th), Jimmy Garropplo (38th), Zach Mettenberger (40th) and Teddy Bridgewater (42nd).
February 16th, 2015 at 7:12 pm
Well, if he had Johnny Rehab at the top then that brings down his credentials quite a bit. So glad we took Evans.
February 16th, 2015 at 7:12 pm
The Glazers, Lovie & Licht are only “not envyable” on a PR basis…..any choice they make will be highly questioned because of the huge difference between the two…..but only PR…and only temporary.
The Bucs will mount what I will predict will be the biggest promotion of this pick in their history…..they will let it all hang out,
If Winston passes the scrutiny and is picked….the Glazers & Bucs will lay it all on the line for him.
If Mariota is picked…the early starting expectations will be minimized and preparations will be made for his development.
You can take this to the bank……
February 16th, 2015 at 7:17 pm
The Bucs will make you & Joe believe it was the right choice….no matter what choice they make…..They will convince 87 if they choose Mariota that they chose right…and they will convince NYBucsfan if the choice is Winston…..all will be satisfied the Bucs are destined for greatness……then, the work begins!!!
February 16th, 2015 at 7:18 pm
Mike Mayock has fallen off a bit the last few years IMO. I still think he’s one of the best mainstream draft pundits around.
February 16th, 2015 at 7:21 pm
Joe Im proud of you, saying Mariota is a mega talent albeit with a caveat of course. Mayock had Manziel # 1 while he bashed the living day lights out of Bridgewater, he also said Blaine Gabbert would be a better QB than Cam Newton and further said Gabbert is a future Hall of Famer. Point is no one is a psychic and has a crystal ball, everything is a guess with every single prospect. Look at Clowney he only played 4 games, what if happens to be injury prone, remember he was the can’t miss prospect, Greg Oden in basketball. These guys always put out these huge claims and when they are wrong you never hear them admit to it, they lean on their keyword “Projection” to bail them out.
February 16th, 2015 at 7:21 pm
Whichever QB the Bucs draft is measurably better than Josh McCown or Mike Glennon. It’s an upgrade and a shot in the arm for the organization
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You hope….and that’s the point. No matter what the extremists on either side of Mariota/Winston fall, both sides won’t admit the truth: They are both very risky, not sure things in any way, and without a good situation highly likely to fail. Andrew Luck isn’t in this draft. Not even close. Huge risk with either guy, which is why it’s not an enviable position. 2012 was the year to be picking #1. Too bad we didn’t tank then because we’d have our 15-20 year QB.
February 16th, 2015 at 7:24 pm
Winston must be training with Shaun King.
He’s fat
February 16th, 2015 at 7:26 pm
Trade Down
February 16th, 2015 at 7:43 pm
Joe I agree 100%. The Bucs have to pick a QB! Do your research and your investigations. See what happens at the combine. Bring both players in for extensive interviews and chalk talk and private workouts – then watch the tape on both 100 more times and come to a decision. Then write down a Heisman winner’s name on draft day. Lots of work and I hope they are more than diligent – but the process is pretty straight forward.
As far as Mayock being so concerned with Winston’s interceptions – I would guess that he fell into the same trap that most who reference the INTs as a big red flag have fallen into. They didn’t watch the games. They didn’t detail how those Ints happened or who was responsible for them.
I will take the word of Jimbo Fisher – the only one who truly knows exactly who was at fault in each instance of interception this year because he knew what the play call was. Coach Fisher said only 8 of Winston’s interceptions this year were actually the fault of the QB.
February 16th, 2015 at 7:49 pm
@joe
if it is so easy why has this instant success happen to the Rams, Lions, Carolina, Oakland ( Jamarcus Russel), 49ers (alex smith) Texans ( david carr)
February 16th, 2015 at 7:52 pm
And Joe was screaming for us to take his man crush manziel….ya that would have been a smart pick Joe! So glad you arent running this team. Your love for these guys clouds your judgement. I wont be mad if we take either one of these guys although i know they arent true #1 material. Bust rate is so high for a qb and now we are forcing guys into #1 when their talent isnt up to par. I still believe in glennon. When he took over for freeman he put up close to JF career year, now imagine if he would have had that oline that freeman had that year. Everyone kills glennon but put a solid oline and he can succeed.
February 16th, 2015 at 7:53 pm
@ Joes
This is by far my favorite article of yours since the end of the season. I love that you acknowledged both QB’s mega talent…. I agree that either QB I would be happier with than anyone else we have or who’s available in the draft… IMO, if you have 2 mega-talented QB options, take the one who has the impeccable character, if possible. That is the wise thing to do. #Guaranteedmariotascomingtotampa
February 16th, 2015 at 7:54 pm
FUK all these TV draft analysts. Lovie should just ask Ted Thompson who he would take. That MF has a good track record for drafting.
February 16th, 2015 at 8:06 pm
Yes they are in the enviable postion of 2 out of three things that could blow up in their faces! One could implode off the field and be the second coming of Jamarcus Leaf Freeman, the other could implode on the field and be the second coming of Joey Mirer Klingler. The one good thing would be (hopefully) that they hit a homerun and the Bucs have the next Peyton Montana Brady. Two out of three gets L&L public damnation and pink slips. I agree with MM, I don’t envy them either.
February 16th, 2015 at 8:09 pm
Winston was training at Publix and Burger “Shawn” King was with him! Just heard Publix and Burger Kind will NOT be a sponser if #5 is selected…
February 16th, 2015 at 8:24 pm
WELL LOOKS LIKE NOW THAT WERE GETTING DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY ALL THESE DRAFT “EXPERTS” ARE GONNA START BACKTRACKING ON WINSTON, I CANT SAY I BLAME THEM, I WOULDNT WANNA PUT MY NAME ON THAT PRODUCT EITHER. RULE NUMBER ONE IN DIRK KEOTTER’S OFFENSE? ANYONE? DONT TURN THE BALL OVER!! WINSTON 18 PICKS, MARIOTA 4!!! MARIOTA IS COMING TO TAMPA, AND OUR FUTURE IS SO BRIGHT IM GONNA NEED SUNGLASSES
February 16th, 2015 at 8:27 pm
What if Lovie wasn’t lying when he said Glennon is the QB of the future and the future turns out to be now (in their minds). Full disclaimer, I have always been pro-Glennon. That said, it’s just a question. I’m not against drafting either QB. I’m also not against trading back, building a solid offensive line, and letting Glennon have a legitimate shot. They can draft a QB project later in the draft.
Quite honestly, I don’t think the Glazer’s will move on from Lovie this hear regardless of what happens. They gave Raheem 3 years and Schiano 2 years. I know it’s hard to like Lovie after 2-14 but the man has earned more respect and benefit of the doubt, from his previous success in the league, than the previous 2 jokes for Head Coach. Maybe with Koetter on board they believe Glennon can be successful and also develop a late round QB project in the process.
Just a though. Something tells me Licht will have more influence this year. McCown is gone…
February 16th, 2015 at 8:30 pm
Can somebody explain something to me. IF the Bucs have decided to pick a QB then why wait?
I realize the NFLPA has strict rules about OTA’s but what is to prevent a QB from spending everyday hanging out in Koetter’s office learning the new playbook?
Why don’t the Bucs simply expedite this process and figure out which of the two they’re taking. They sign him way ahead of the draft, the drama does nothing for them if they plan on taking a QB, why do they care if other teams know their pick?
Meanwhile Jameis/Marcus could be getting a tremendous head start!
February 16th, 2015 at 8:35 pm
Give it up Joe. Just stop.
February 16th, 2015 at 8:36 pm
JUST FOUND THIS ONLINE, LISTEN TO HOW STUPID THIS GUY SOUNDS. Florida State head coach Jimbo Fisher has a track record of producing signal callers for the NFL- Jamarcus Russell, Christian Ponder, E.J. Manuel- those are guys that were drafted in the first round. Granted, Manuel is the only one still starting and Russell was a bust, but that shouldn’t deter the Bucs from drafting Winston based on what they know- Fisher prepares quarterbacks to take that next step and Fisher is a huge believer in Winston. WOW! REALLY! THAT TRACK RECORD OF QUARTERBACKS ALONE SHOULD MAKE WINSTON A NO NO.
February 16th, 2015 at 8:40 pm
Its a little more readable SuperSam but you still need to get rid of the CAPS. Its so had to read that I just skip it.
February 16th, 2015 at 8:46 pm
I think what he is saying is that he doesn’t envy them because of the choice they have to make in selecting one if the two top QBs. Tough decision to make. It isn’t like a consensus Luck is there. It is between two not one. Also, he has Winston at one so are you saying he is wrong Joe with your Johnny comment?
February 16th, 2015 at 8:47 pm
The Bucs need a QB. However neither Mariota or Winston are the best player available. But to say hold the first overall pick isn’t “envyable” is crazy. The Bucs have plenty of options with that pick and reaching for either QB will be more beneficial than drafting Leonard Williams. Once we have the franchise in place then we can draft based on BPA.
February 16th, 2015 at 8:49 pm
Sorry Joe- Mayock is as good as it gets….. do not agree he is worse than he used to be. You have a huge FSU loyalty and clearly love Jameis, as does anyone I know who spent time in Trailerhassee. With LOADS of time to throw and the one of the best college (and rookie pros ever) wideouts, along with a top 2 running back- he tosses lots of picks. The kid also clearly doesnt have an impeccable diet and strength training regimen (fat, pudgy face, soft body)….it’s an indication of lack of commitment. Don’t you think Carmelo Anthony would be a better pro if he took care of his body like Lebron does? The guy can barely walk right now, and he is still ELITE because of his natural talent, but what if he worked like a Derek Fischer? Same thing for Jaemis- he is so great a talent, has been his whole life…. and he has largely succeeded because of his natural gamer abilities. Won’t work in the pros- look at Johnny! Like Freeman coming out, a kid who at 20 has roughly 15-20% body-fat at 20 years old isn’t a good thing…. and it means he will most likely struggle to stay in top form into his late 20’s and 30’s. It’s a trivial thing to say the least, but it all matters. Also, I could care less about Jameis being accused of sexual assault- sort of. I care that he keeps making stupid decisions in general, flaring a TO-like temper on the sidelines…. and it is all justified because he is “fierey” and a fierce competitor lol. That is all coming from optimistic FREESHOES fans. Kid is a liability- not in the same hemisphere as Luck.
February 16th, 2015 at 8:54 pm
Saying we shouldnt draft Winston because Ponder and Manuel busted after they left FSU is foolish. Thats like expecting every will LB to come out of FSU to be a future hall of famer (Derrick Brooks) Maybe every team should go after every QB out of Michigan (Tom Brady) Jameis has talent and athleticism and a desire to win that Ponder and Manuel cant even begin to comprehend.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:08 pm
@Largo
Saying we shouldnt draft Winston because Ponder and Manuel busted after they left FSU is foolish.
Agree Largo. But then it also follows that saying Mariota will be a bust because he cmes from Oregon like Dennis Dixon is also foolish.
And since we’re talking foolish…judging a player on one game…the Rose Bowl or national Championship is also foolish whether it’s Jameis or Marcus.
Look at their body of work and then determine their upside. Determine if one player’s style is more in line with where the leagues is heading not where it’s been.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:13 pm
We’ll see after the combine and pro day fella’s. 🙂
I predict Winston WILL throw at the combine….with or without Marinara sauce.(Mariota)
February 16th, 2015 at 9:18 pm
Jameis Winston has more talent in his pinky finger than Ponder and Manuel combined.
So you can throw that nonsense out the window.
Sigh.
Jameis Winston is coming to Tampa soon. He will be a Tampa Bay Buccaneer.
So, come to grips it. Come to grips with it. 4 more days until the combine.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:18 pm
@ supersam- yes and the bills are looking for a QB also. ej manuel stinks!
February 16th, 2015 at 9:21 pm
ya soooo much he threw 18 INTS. real talent please he will be just like the other clowns from FSU.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:23 pm
I think that the only way the Bucs are in an unenviable position is if they don’t think that either one of these QB’s is the guy. Then what? Draft Leonard Williams? Trade the pick for more picks? Trade the pick for picks and players? That’s where I think their problem can be
As far as Mike Mayock goes, I think he’s better evaluating defensive players. Last year he had Johnny Manziel as his #1 ranked QB and had him coming to the Bucs at #7. In 2011 he had Blaine Gabbert ranked #1
Some of his evaluation of Winston is spot on though, especially the interceptions part, as a few days ago he compared him to Jay Cutler
February 16th, 2015 at 9:24 pm
Nobody said Winston was anywheres near luck as far as talent. In fact joe just said neither of them were in this article. People also need to look at the supporting cast. Towards the end marriotta was throwing to 3rd and4th receivers because the others were hurt . Even though ohio state punched them in the mouth as it were, marriotta brought them back twice to make it close till the last 8 mins or so.
I think also that koetter will tcb. He is known for working to his qb’s strengths so you can assume we will see more shotgun which smart teams use vs good defenses anyway. It’s rather silly.
If lovey surprises us then they will get some more picks and grab the best oline an or dlinemen available. He’s never been in this position before though where he literally gets the first pick
February 16th, 2015 at 9:25 pm
Then again, after Jim Mora called Mayock out on his evaluation of Marcus Mariota maybe he went back and watched more tape of both QB’s
February 16th, 2015 at 9:25 pm
Joe’s off his rocker. Mayock is spot on, and the Bucs would be wise to draft the guy with his head screwed on right. Mariota will put in the work to transition, Winston might, but there’s far more uncertainty with him.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:31 pm
If Mike Mayock is seeing all of the flaws in Winston’s game, you can bet all of the Bucs coaches and evaluators are seeing them also
February 16th, 2015 at 9:35 pm
St.pete I think being patient and giving adequate time to learn Mariota could be the best QB to come out of Oregon. Keeping Mariota on the bench while Glennon plays bridge I wouldn’t be opposed. It would probably be better in the long run than throwing Mariota in right away. Drafting Jameis and letting him compete for the starting job would be great too. Obviously drafting either one and the rookie in week 1en route to a wild card berth would be ideal but thats not very realistic.
I would be happy with either QB. Given proper development either one could really help this franchise in the long run.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:39 pm
I think that what moves Bucs make in free agency may give us a little more insight as to what they may do in the draft
February 16th, 2015 at 9:41 pm
beside Winston off the field he is a turn over machine he will fit right in with lovie just like last year with mcclown GREAT!!!!! WTF!!!
February 16th, 2015 at 9:43 pm
Actually Joe, Mayock is RIGHT! Winston is an interception machine – turnovers are killers in this league. Do you think this Bucs staff can fix that? Highly DOUBTFUL!!!
February 16th, 2015 at 9:45 pm
I am so sick odd the people that post on this site that don’t know football. I feel like I am at ray Jay all over again with stupid comments being said left and right. Anyone that thinks that Mariota is even close to Jameis is really insane. I mean it’s not even close when it comes to arm talent. For those of you looking at his running ability how has that turned out for Vick, Kapernick, Tebow, Vince Young, etc…? And you people talking about Ponder and EJ guess what I am a huge FSU fan and was laughing my ass off when they were picked because I knew they were average at best. Plus this is not your daddy’s NFL there are no practice reps for backups or time to be developed anymore. Plus who wants a freaking project as the number overall pick?
February 16th, 2015 at 9:46 pm
Joe, I love how you proclaim Mayock is completely wrong about the Bucs’ position but dont even touch on Mayock’s point reagrding Winston’s interceptions…
February 16th, 2015 at 9:46 pm
If memory serves, Joe was praising Mike Mayock this time last year when he had Joe’s then man crush Johnny Football at the top of his QB board and mocked him coming to the Bucs.
Also, Joe praised him last week when he called Marcus Mariota a project. Seems Joe can’t seem to make up his mind
February 16th, 2015 at 9:47 pm
@largo
Agree with all of your sentiments there. If they draft Jameis there will be pressure to play him right off because of the hype surrounding this process. I get, understand and approve of the hype btw. We know both sides are going to present their case as strongly as possible.
But it seems the melding of the sides comes down like this…Jameis is ready right now…grab him! Mariota MAY be the better QB long term but he’s certainly not ready this year and it may take him 2 or 3 to learn how to protect himself and do away with any instinct to keep a play going too long.
In fact I have some worries with both QB’s because of their abundance of talent. How long have they been getting away with stuff that’s not going to happen in the NFL? Mariota…far, far, far less running, learning to slide, get out of bounds, not stretch a play out too long as to be dangerous to his health.
For Jameis it’s better decision making on the so called “tight window” throws so he can cut down interceptions.
They’re both smart enough to learn. And I understand Mayock’s point. There really is no dominant #1 except to the partisans. It’s a genuinely tough call.
Like you Largo I’m a Buc’s fan and so I’ll fly or sink with whichever choice they make.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:52 pm
Mayock in 2013 NFL Draft “Mark Barron’s ceiling is a pro bowl safety and his floor is a pro bowl safety”. Nuff said, nobody is infallible at this stuff! Nobody really knows!
February 16th, 2015 at 9:52 pm
The interceptions are a bit overblown. The one thing you never hear jameis haters talk about is his pocket presence, high football IQ, and leadership. I wonder why when they’re three significant traits for a franchise QB.
February 16th, 2015 at 9:53 pm
@ndog
I am so sick odd the people that post on this site that don’t know football.
Really? I should think this would please you. That way you can read everybody and smile, knowing how much smarter you are than the rest of us.
Or better still you can realize you’re among the only “sane” folks here. 🙂
Anyone that thinks that Mariota is even close to Jameis is really insane.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:04 pm
If Jameis really is so much more ready to play come week one than Mariota is then that will probably be Licht and Lovies choice. They need as many wins as they can get. Going 2-14 has both of them on the hot seat and they both have to know that.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:07 pm
jim mora has not evaluated winston. he is talking in a vacuum about only his conference in reference to his “studying” mariota.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:08 pm
so i am sure mariota is the best qb in the pac12.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:11 pm
When the bucs pick Winston aka JaMarcus Russell 2.0 and he fails we will have to start over and wait another 10 years. Lovie and Licht will get fired and Fsu fans will be crying. The bucs could well be the team Goodell is planning to have in England. The bucs can’t afford to screw this up and get this guy with off field problems. A potential first pick overall pretending he is smoking weed on his way to the football game. Classless for all the kids looking up to this guy. This guy gets picked first and shows kids you can get away with anything. So sad for the NFL and the bucs if they get this loser.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:14 pm
Lol, don’t sweat StPete ndog. He consistantly posts things proving he is absolutely clueless about football. The Mariota supporters are bad enough and frustrating that they can’t figure it out but some of stpetes posts mare just plain silly.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:15 pm
I’m glad that the names Ponder and Manuel were brought up as those are 2 very good examples of teams over-drafting QB’s in the 1st round out of desperation. You know that the Vikings and Bills would like a do-over on those 2 picks.
I hope that the Bucs take a QB if they are totally sold on him and know that he is the guy with no doubts, worries, second thoughts or reservations. But if they are not totally sold on one of them, don’t make the same mistake that those other 2 teams made. It happens every year
February 16th, 2015 at 10:25 pm
StPeteBucsFan, I appreciate your knowledge of the game and your insight. You can tell that you have been around the game and the business of football a long time. Please keep the well thought out logic coming. A lot of the less experienced people on here can learn a whole lot from you
February 16th, 2015 at 10:34 pm
2 things
A) mayock isn’t very accurate with his predictions ie Bridgewater was the best rookie qb last year although I really like Carr.
B) Joe could you PLEASE see if you can track down Marshall Faulk and ask him for his thoughts. He’s the only guy that I trust as he’s probably got the greatest football IQ on the planet.
C) I trust Lichte more than Lovie. I think he did a good job with the cards, that is if he had input which I’m sure he did. Just tell lovie the draft is on May 5th.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:35 pm
whiffing on picks happens at every position and to every team. also, what a reach is to one team is not to another. it is an opinion that a player is a “reach”, simple as that. with proper evaluations and research it is still a gamble.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:39 pm
Seriously Joe see if you can “plug-in” to Faulk. He is always on point.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:39 pm
@ St. Pete
Teams with the #1 overall pick are permitted to sign a contract with a player before the draft…..so, the answer is that the Bucs haven’t decided on a player. They probably have considerable discernment in front of them. They also want to give other teams an opportunity to make offers.
Because of this, it may be possible for them to sign their choice early…..and they may do that.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:53 pm
This reminds me of celebrity apprentice. Geraldo or Lisa Gibbons? Lisa of course except Geraldo raised twice the money. The most important question here is what are you looking for? A winner or a great person?
February 16th, 2015 at 10:54 pm
You cannot REACH with the number one pick overall. Must hit, all the time. IF Winston is the pick, its because he is widely regarded as PRO READY because of his pro-style offense in college. The only knock on Marriota is that he played in an unusual spread system- and will have to learn an NFL style offense. Winston is rated higher because everyone has seen him move in the pocket and make 2nd, and 3rd reads- you CANNOT sit a guy you draft number one overall (over the heisman winner this year) if your evaluation and rationale is that the dude with the terrible off the field trackrecord will be able to play quicker. Number one overall is FAR different than a first rounder. Anyone knew when Manuel went to the bills (name me the GM who drafted him, a joke of a franchise for the last decade as well) he was going to be a bust. He was barely good in college, Free Shoes fans even understood that. If Winston is the pick, he MUST play from day one because the only solid reason people have him at #1 over the other guy is because he already knows how to play in the NFL. Once he gets a little success and money in his pocket (he will do well in season 1, people will laud the pick and think he is the answer, and he might even play with a chip on his shoulder and work harder than typical Winston) he will revert back to his poor off-the-field character. And I am not referring simply to the rape allegations- moreover his overall terrible attitude and lack of leadership. Also, as far as arm talent, he has a slow release and has played with forever in the pocket. ANY QB can look good behind a great line with Kelvin Benjamin and Devonte Freeman in the backfield playing behind 5- 5 star top 300 Rivals players. STAY AWAY FROM THIS GUY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:58 pm
@tampabaybucfan
And don’t forget that there is the combine where they do MRI and all the medical test to see if something is wrong with the players. Also there are risks of injuries during training and workouts. No reason to sign a player if they are going nowhere until the draft. The only team that ever signed a player early was Parcels with the dolphins when they signed a left tackle for cheap a week or so before the draft.
February 16th, 2015 at 11:03 pm
“IF Winston is the pick, its because he is widely regarded as PRO READY because of his pro-style offense in college.”
The NFL is littered with the failed careers of QB’s who people thought were ready for the pros but didn’t make the transition all the same. Jameis groupies are putting way too much stock in the phrase “pro-ready.”
February 16th, 2015 at 11:04 pm
@ Realist
Absolutely….I don’t suggest we sign our prospect early….no need…I don’t think we have much to gain….but we may trigger or announce the pick early in order to start the “spin” PR campaign……and it will be massive…no matter who the pick is. Am….I am convinced it will be one of the two QBs…
February 16th, 2015 at 11:10 pm
Joe,
I think extremely highly of you and the site so keep up the good work! However the fact that you think jameis is as good as you think he is boggles my mind. I truly hope we do the right thing and pass on BOTH of these 2. Also why not an article on Leonard Williams?? You know the best player in the draft.
February 16th, 2015 at 11:20 pm
This is EXACTLY what the Marriota crowd has been trying to communicate. Kid Fameis is too careless, and either does not study film, or is incapable of deciphering what he sees IF he studies film…and those 28 TD’s in TWO seasons should be SHOCKING everyone who watches the tape!?
Marriota has that “system QB” label…but what seems to be escaping EVERYONE is that a revolution has happened…ALL the top colleges run some form of the spread. The NFL has spent a LOT of money trying to convert SOME of the elite players to what I will call “old school pro-style” offenses…sometimes they BLOW those picks because the conversion fails.
A majority of the players in this draft have never been in an offensive huddle!? There’s a reason the Seahawks, 49ers, and Eagles have converted to a spread-heavy attack…it’s because it’s becoming too expensive/time consuming to convert players from the spread – it’s easier to see if the spread can be adapted (fused with WCO concepts and personnel) than it is to take all of these players who have NEVER played in a traditional pro-style attack – and try to convert them to their pro-style positions, overnight (that’s what doing it in a season or two is like)…
So, tell me, is kid Fameis REALLY the right pick if you’re a franchise that can’t endure making the wrong pick? It still depends on what none of us know: what style of attack will Koetter run? Are we going to see him implement a Seahawk type of spread offense (which is similar to what Koetter ran at Oregon and Boise State) id so – it’s clear Marriota be a better fit.
Then, factor in the drama that comes with Kid Fameis. Are ANY of the character issues enough to knock him out of consideration in todays NFL? Do the INT’s affect your decision if you’re Licht and the Glazer’s? I think they should.
If we run the type of offense that Koetter ran in Atlanta, then it would benefit both the drafting of Kid Fameis, and the investment already made in Napoleon Dynamite…but isn’t that just short-term thinking that can limit a franchise’s upside?
If Koetter intends to run an ATL style offense – but draft Marriota – can he make the adjustment? It’s a HUGE gamble if that’s the offense and the pick…what if you take him and he struggles with that tranistion as Colin Kaepernick has? Even though many assert that Marriota’s football intelligence is more complete than Kaepernicks (especially at this stage). …it’s still a MAJOR gamble.
No, I agree whole-heartedly with Mayock. The top two QB’s have some serious limitations/restrictions that don’t lend to easy/fast transitions into a traditional role…but the Bucs only have themselves to blame for this…their record put them in this unenviable position. That’s why I think it will go to the wire – and we’ll see Marriota’s name get called on draft day. Higher upside, less drama.
February 16th, 2015 at 11:25 pm
@ PFish91
That’s what I’ve been saying all along. You use the #1 pick in the draft on the #1 player in the draft. Common sense
February 16th, 2015 at 11:33 pm
“SuperSam Says:
February 16th, 2015 at 8:36 pm
JUST FOUND THIS ONLINE, LISTEN TO HOW STUPID THIS GUY SOUNDS. Florida State head coach Jimbo Fisher has a track record of producing signal callers for the NFL- Jamarcus Russell, Christian Ponder, E.J. Manuel- those are guys that were drafted in the first round. Granted, Manuel is the only one still starting and Russell was a bust, but that shouldn’t deter the Bucs from drafting Winston based on what they know- Fisher prepares quarterbacks to take that next step and Fisher is a huge believer in Winston. WOW! REALLY! THAT TRACK RECORD OF QUARTERBACKS ALONE SHOULD MAKE WINSTON A NO NO”
SuperSam – Please tell us about all the super successful Oregon QBs playing in the NFL now. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
Keep digging bro. Its actually getting sad.
February 16th, 2015 at 11:51 pm
White tiger is 100% correct.
February 17th, 2015 at 12:23 am
Jameis Winston
Weaknesses: Decision making not consistent with his football intelligence. Will throw into impossible windows rather than taking safe throw underneath. Elongated windup and release allows instinctive defenders to close on throws. Was too easily baited into dangerous throws. Struggled with intermediate passing game in 2014, completing 56.8 percent of his passes with FBS-leading 11 interceptions in that range. Still learning nuances of position and how to move and hold defenders with his eyes. Would sleepwalk through first half of many games. Inconsistent footwork and weight transfer caused balls to sail. Prone to emotional outbursts on field. Quality of decision-making drops off substantially when pocket becomes turbulent and he’s forced to leave it. Lacks athleticism to extend plays for very long outside of the pocket. Off-the-field character and ability to lead on NFL level are his primary obstacles, according to NFL evaluators.
February 17th, 2015 at 12:25 am
Basically, Winston is Josh Freeman, but cockier yet with a poorer attitude.
Freeman was actually a pretty nice guy.
February 17th, 2015 at 12:32 am
@ #237
Agreed 100%
Anybody that has watched Winston play has seen exactly the same thing. Flaws on and off the field
February 17th, 2015 at 12:36 am
Joe, how about our number 1 for Cleveland’s 12th and 19th pick plus Johnie Football … Just saying.
February 17th, 2015 at 12:37 am
get your hotdogs ready for gandy beach tomorrow!
February 17th, 2015 at 12:39 am
Sick of this $hit
So basically Oregon and FSU have the same number of QB’s having a successful NFL career
February 17th, 2015 at 12:42 am
So then basically just draft Marcus Mariota and start a winning tradition with no worries, drama or problems
February 17th, 2015 at 12:54 am
Bucs Fan #237
Whoever wrote that evaluation of Winston is spot on. If he and we can see it, then the Bucs coaches and evaluators can see it also
February 17th, 2015 at 1:07 am
Ramble on.
In the end the pick will be Jameis Winston!
February 17th, 2015 at 1:20 am
mariota is a sack magnet and always hurt.
he was sacked 7 times by 3-9 washington state. oregon barely won, then after an off week, lost to an unranked arizona team. his coach gave the excuse that he wasn’t 100% after the washington game. hmmm. and he is still injured from the national championship game.
we already have a sack magnet in mike glennon, we do not need another.
works both ways.
win, it’s in his name
#winninwithwinston #justwinstonbaby
just say no to marcus mediocre.
February 17th, 2015 at 1:21 am
if he gives up sacks, can we call him taint-ed, then?
February 17th, 2015 at 1:23 am
Mariota #1
February 17th, 2015 at 1:28 am
@ white tiger- I concur!!!!!
February 17th, 2015 at 1:32 am
I would rather have a QB that gives up sacks than one that throws way too many interceptions
February 17th, 2015 at 1:36 am
Bucs owners do not want to risk having Josh Freeman 2.0
February 17th, 2015 at 1:37 am
The people passionate about Jameis are all FSU alum or fans. The Marriotta fans are not all Ducks, they are football fans. All the die hard Jameis fans have ties to FSU on this website, and as such your wailing for him to be the pick means far less than someone who lobbies for the Duck. I strictly DO NOT WANT JAMEIS. He will NOT sign a second contract with the Bucs- ANYONE but him and I am happy, including trading down. Kid is a terrible human being who has been told since he was like 8 that he is the best thing since sliced bread.
February 17th, 2015 at 1:52 am
Just watch the Super Bowl! Look at how many snaps are from the shotgun formation…Mariota’s style is the future! How many other Oregon offensive players will be drafted this year?
February 17th, 2015 at 2:36 am
The other Oregon school’s QB, Sean Mannion looked great in some drills the other day.
February 17th, 2015 at 2:45 am
saw the superbowl. saw wilson throw the pick. he could not make the tight window, just like mariota cannot. winston woulda won that game!
win, it’s in his name!
#winninwithwinston #justwinstonbaby
just say no to marcus mediocre.
February 17th, 2015 at 2:48 am
who are you to call someone a horrible human? you must be christian with all that hate and judgement!
i am not an fsu fan, so there goes your useless theory.
get ready to be more miserable than you already are, meat!
February 17th, 2015 at 2:50 am
we already have a sack magnet in glennon. we do not need another, especially as injured as mariota gets.
lemon, it’s in mike glennon
February 17th, 2015 at 3:03 am
At this point, I think I am just going to love the draft, so long as we pick one of the two QB’s.
If the Bucs draft Jameis, Joe and his Jameis apologists will cream their pants, and the angry Winston rants from some haters will be even funnier. If it is Mariota, Joe will have another Johnny Rehab-like experience, only this time he will take 87 and others down with him.
Either way, people are going to hate Winston for his character, or hate Mariota because of his questionable NFL-readiness. I don’t care if they draft Leonard Williams or even trade down, I will support whoever we pick. Although I might lose the little support I have for Lovie if he flops on this #1 Overall Pick.
February 17th, 2015 at 5:11 am
^^^^Exactly where I am.
While I have my preferences, Im good with just about whatever we do. Watched Andrus Peat the other day and I have to say I think he’ll be dropping down the board a little. I’d rather take Scherff or La El Collins.
February 17th, 2015 at 6:19 am
always pick the best available player. it sure ain’t a QB.
February 17th, 2015 at 6:21 am
Winston-pig in a blanket
Fatty may just take the money and run.
February 17th, 2015 at 8:35 am
If Winston wins 6 games straight in Tampa people will be throwing crablegs at him when he leaves the tunnel and gift wrapped BB guns at his locker.
February 17th, 2015 at 10:04 am
an unenviable position would be to be as talent-starved as the bucs are and yet having to contemplate a trade up to fill their biggest hole. the bucs either get the player they want more than any other in the draft (whoever that is) or they get at least 3 first round picks between this year and next (my guesstimate) if they choose to trade down
February 17th, 2015 at 10:08 am
Funny how Mayock is only “way off” when what he says doesn’t support your position.
Might want to read. Mayock is way off because he thinks the Bucs are not in a position of envy. –Joe
February 17th, 2015 at 10:21 am
the NFL has been “on the brink of a revolution” on offense since around the time mike vick was drafted. the same thing happens…these gimmicky offenses can’t transcend the physical reality of football: if your backup QB is consistently playing more than 3 or 4 games a year for you, you probably can forget about the playoffs. the pocket QBs have the most important ability a starting QB can have – availability. the only reason not to take winston is if you think he is a likely candidate for league discipline and multiple suspensions throughout his career
February 17th, 2015 at 10:58 am
” Please tell us about all the super successful Oregon QBs playing in the NFL now. Go ahead, I’ll wait.”
Not still playing, but I thought Dan Fouts was pretty darn good. The folks in Canton seem to concur.
February 17th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
We supposedly have the one of the easiest schedule this year so we should win a few games, right? Take Mariota and we go to the playoffs. Take Winston and I’m not sure we go.
February 17th, 2015 at 1:57 pm
Meat :
I could care less about FSU. I care about the Bucs. You kids who think a QB (Mariota) is worth the 1st pick in the NFL Draft because he’s a nice guy and don’t throw Int’s to wide open WRs in a Spread O are totally clueless. Mariota has proven nothing in college that say’s he can play in the NFL and be successful. If he’s SOOOO Great he wouldn’t have to sit for a year or two just to have a clue. There’s absolutely no evidence he will be successful in the NFL. You kids LOVE watching RG3, Kaperknick,JF run around and think they can survive in the NFL. CLUELESS!!!!! Brett Farve has thrown the most TD”s in the NFL and the most Int’s in the NFL so your theory of Winston throwing Int’s into small windows (not wide open WRs like Mariota) is total BS. You kids want the nice guy who can run fast who has to sit for atleast a year to have a clue over a QB who won the National Championship as a RED SHIRT FRESHMAN. First Time EVER! Proven Leader, Very successful in a Pro style O and is the best prospect since Luck. That’
s why I call you kids because that;s how you think and see NFL Football. Maybe when you all grow up you might truly understand real NFL football.
February 17th, 2015 at 2:24 pm
LMAO! So true. What the hell is Mayock thinking? Man, he sure has lost a lot of his credibility over the past couple a years, and instead of relying on his own research he now goes off other peoples opinions. I’m guessing he is getting a bit lazy and doesn’t want to do the hard work himself anymore.
So let’s get this straight. The Bucs tanked the final game and undoubtedly threw the game. They did this just because the didn’t want to be in the position to draft first overall? All evidence points to the contrary there Mr. Mayock. Get your facts together buddy.
February 23rd, 2015 at 8:03 am
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