Jameis Watch: A Barber Blessing

February 3rd, 2015

jameis and jimboCrab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion Jameis Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.

It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.

Bucs fans already learned that Bucs icon Ronde Barber, a notorious student of quarterback film, likes what he sees from Jameis Winston.

But today, Ronde’s brother Tiki Barber weighed in on the great Winston-Marcus Mariota quarterback debate on CBS Sports Radio.

Tiki is in the Seminole’s corner, too.

“Mariota is interesting because he’s such a good winner. But the problem is we haven’t seen him throw any of those passes yet that are necessary to be successful in the National Football League,” Tiki Barber said. “Can he get away without having them? Yeah, probably, and have a manageable career.”

On Winson, “I’m taking a winner like that, despite some of the off-field stuff,” he said. “You have to believe that gets corrected as he grows and matures.”

141 Responses to “Jameis Watch: A Barber Blessing”

  1. Justin Says:

    Hey Joe,

    Do you have any comment on your once golden child Johnny “Football” going to rehab?

    Joe is asked this repeatedly. But what’s to comment?. Joe wishes Johnny well. He’s not a Buccaneer, a former Buccaneer, or a potential 2015 Buccaneer, so that’s not something/someone Joe cares about. For the record, Joe also wrote dozens of times that the Bucs would be wise to draft either Bridgewater or Johnny. –Joe

  2. Pat Says:

    Maturity. Character. Leader. And very Gifted. Face of Franchise. Who is it going to be?
    Quotes from Winston & Mariota below:

    “You wish you had MY life.”

    “Dream Big, walk in MY footsteps and find greatness.”

    Anyone can guess who said What?

  3. OB Says:

    I don’t believe that Winston is correctable, he did some more stupid actions this past football year that would have gotten him suspended for a long while in today’s NFL. We cannot afford that and we don’t want another number one pick for next year. The Glazers paid for the empty stadium last year and I am sure season ticket sales have tanked and no one want an empty stadium or one filled with the road teams fans. I don’t think they will pay for next year TV unless there is hope and right not there is none only wonder on what is going to happen.

    Lovie may not last the winter.

  4. carlstoe Says:

    Did you ask the Barber’s did they lie, steal, vandalize, yell obscenities in public and get accused of rape by more than one victim before their junior year? Guilty people get rid of evidence!

  5. Mr. Patrick Says:

    What Tiki, Ronde, Derrick or Ira say means absolutely nothing as it’s not their team or their money. For every voice like those that would take Winston there is a voice that wouldn’t touch him with a 10 foot pole. Same with Mariota. It only matters what the Bucs think and none of us will know that until April 30th

  6. Phil Says:

    I don’t know why we haven’t signed Jameis yet? The Super Bowl is over so what are the Bucs waiting for?

  7. pete Says:

    Trade Down!
    Use the added picks to add needed quality players!

  8. Mr. Patrick Says:

    So the Superbowl is over, why haven’t the Bucs signed the best player in the draft Leonard Williams yet?

  9. WS99 Says:

    With the first pick in the 2015 NFL draft the tampabay bucs select Leonard randy Williams Gregory. With the 22nd pick the bucs trade down and select Denzel Perryman from the U.

  10. bucs4lyfe Says:

    lol you player scouts imitating fans are simply hilarious….I still haven’t seen anyone dispute what tiki barber said about his SKILLS. it all keeps coming back to the same thing, Winston has off field issues and mariotta has yet to actually prove he can be an nfl qb. don’t compare this guy to Russell Wilson, Russell because the only knock on him was his size and not his ability to lead offenses….if you don’t like Winston’s off field issues just say that and stop disputing what too many NFL scouts and players who got paid by the nfl in some capacity are saying because it just makes you seem like haters and it’s getting sad…is he facing any legal issues? nope he’s not so whoever we draft I don’t care because either one can beat out josh mccown and mike glennon


    someones gonna pop a vein in here

  12. Rob Says:

    “I still haven’t seen anyone dispute what tiki barber said about his SKILLS. ”

    I’ll dispute something… For all this crap about fitting passes into tight NFL-sized windows, Winston has thrown 28 INT’s in two seasons.

    That should concern everyone. It’s not going to get easier to protect the football when he starts facing an NFL-sized pass rush every Sunday.

  13. gatrbuc17 Says:

    That would be great for our D 99 but it is our OL that is the worst. The horrible OL caused the collapse of the D over and over by not being able to block and going 3 and out.

  14. BrianDorry55 Says:

    Hey Pat….

    Way to include context there….Winston said that to a bunch of pricks that were being extremely offensive to him while he was trying to warm up in the dugout…that makes him a bad dude? I would have said much worse…his ability to ignore them actually amazed me…

    Who did Mariota say that to? A bunch of elementary school kids?

  15. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    2015 Bucs starting QB: Jameis Winston

    Deal with it.

  16. Couch Fan Says:

    Hope Jameis picks out his home soon in Tampa so it’ll be ready and waiting for him come draft day and will be full go at Rookie Minicamp! GO BUCS!!

  17. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ gatrbuc17
    And that is part of my point. The Bucs have way too many positions to upgrade to just settle on one player when that #1 pick could be used to get several really good players that could help all over the field. I would love to see that happen, but if the Bucs get stuck at #1 I hope they take Williams who is the best player in this draft

  18. Eric Says:

    55 and now 20.

    Easy choice.

  19. bucs4lyfe Says:

    he can be taught to be a better passer, it’s better than teaching him the basics of taking snaps under center before teaching to read nfl defenses

  20. Skyline Crew Says:

    Smoke Screens.

  21. Skyline Crew Says:

    Couch Fan Says:
    February 3rd, 2015 at 1:42 pm

    Hope Jameis picks out his home soon in Tampa so it’ll be ready and waiting for him come draft day and will be full go at Rookie Minicamp! GO BUCS!!
    Doesn’t need to. He can swap between your house and 87’s house. I would tell him not to drop the soap though.

  22. Mr. Patrick Says:

    The Glazers, Lovie and Licht have far too much integrity, dignity and love for this Franchise to draft somebody and make him the face of their team who has the potential of causing every Buccaneer fan a large ammount of Embarrasment and Humiliation that would be a huge show of disrespect and a slap in the face to every Buc fan. You don’t spend 3 years getting rid of all the Turds on your roster then draft one with the #1 pick in the draft

  23. Skyline Crew Says:


    Where did Tiki say anything about Winston’s skills?

    On Winson, “I’m taking a winner like that, despite some of the off-field stuff,” he said. “You have believe that gets corrected as he grows and matures.”

    Unless you are talking about what he said on the radio. I didn’t hear him on the radio so I can’t dispute anything he said about Winston’s Skills. Can you enlighten me and let me know what he had to say.

  24. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ Skyline
    Oh wow, the post of the day. Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!!!

  25. bucs4lyfe Says:

    Of all you hating on Winston I wonder how many of you wanted johnny football. hmmm interesting question don’t you think? lol we know why joebucs wants Winston and its because who the hell goes to the superbowl and is successful by drafting who the fans want. bottom line is if your in it to win it you go with the guy that has the highest upside….I bet not one single hater would pass on signing Adrian Peterson this offseason if it was on the table for the bucs to grab him….hate hate hate

  26. Skyline Crew Says:


    You remember the story of “If you give a mouse a cookie”? This is what they Winston articles are. Just asking for more and more. Majority of us know Winston won’t be #1 (I’d be ok if he was…not going to kill myself over it). I prefer Mariota and others prefer something different. However, as long as we keep coming back to these articles and wasting our time disputing who is the better QB this will continue to be an article. None of our opinions are going to change until after the combine (if even then). Joe will have an article or two everyday, eventually he will be asking hot dog cart vendors who they want. Nothing but smoke screens and fluff. I myself have come to the conclusion that these articles are a waste and all the other articles end up getting hijacked by Winston homers anyways. I might have to wait until after the combine to come back here and comment. Until then don’t feed the monster.

  27. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:


    ask every FSU fan if they’re embarrassed by Jameis. Ask them if they feel like they were slapped in the face and humiliated. You might have to wait for them to stop watching the replay of the National Championship game, but I don’t think you’ll find too many FSU fans that regret Jameis putting on the garnet & gold for the last 3 years.

  28. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    When Jameis is drafted #1, who’s leaving to support another team?

    I would always support any draft pick. I would even have cheered for Manziel if TB took him last year, even though I don’t think he will ever be successful in the NFL.

  29. Joehelldeloxley Says:

    What surprises me is that it seems easier to correct someone behaviour than to find a way to design an offense around a QB.

    Everybody can do or say something really stupid in his life. But several times, it’s something else.

    Everybody is speaking about Mariotta and Jameis but there is others QBs on the market.

  30. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    Anyone who thinks that the Bucs intentionally threw the last game of the season so that they could trade down or draft a defensive end should stop commenting on this website immediately. They threw that game so they could take a QB, end of story.

  31. Nick Says:

    The Jameis Watch comment section is becoming one of my favorite things to read every day. The same people day after day after day typing the same stuff with some unknown goal, possibly hoping that Joe will write a full-length feature on how Robert9, Mr. Patrick, or St. PeteBucsFan was the one that changed his mind.

    NEWSFLASH: This blog is in favor of Winston. There might be one out there in favor of Mariota or even in favor of trading down (although its probably hosted by Lycos and have an Aol email address). PLEASE, the aforementioned and like-minded, find this place and go post your soliloquies in those realms.

  32. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ Skyline
    Nail on the head Brother. Joe keeps posting these “watch” articles because he knows how divided the Buc fanbase is over this draft and he will get over 200 “hits” or “clicks” that enables him to sell all of this advertising that clogs up our devices, re-directs us, plays us music we don’t want and scare us with big black boxes.
    However, we all enjoy voicing our opinions and debating our choices and this gives us the forum and place to do so. It actually is really fun watching the FSU homers and Winston groupies make fools of themselves even though many of them are either way over the hill or 16 years old. And there’s not a funnier fruitcake than 87
    We all know that what we come on here to do is kind of pointles and means nothing, but thank goodness Joe gives us the place to do it

  33. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ Nick
    Sorry, but you’re wrong. This blog is about even as there are a couple of Winston groupies that post under several different names to make their case look stronger. If you look on the Buc’s facebook page and read all the comments you will find it’s about even there also, and on the Bucs messages boards as well.
    Also, I do know quite a few sensible FSU people that are totally embarrassed by Winston and the entire football progran for trying to cover things up. I have a very good friend that is a high ranking member of the Alumni and is a major Booster and he says that everyone that tries to cover for Winston to protect the program knows that he is “Dirty”


    one thing i learned this last year patrick is never underestimate the stupidity of lovie smith. 🙂

  35. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “Mr. Patrick Says:
    February 3rd, 2015 at 2:39 pm

    @ Nick
    Sorry, but you’re wrong. This blog is about even as there are a couple of Winston groupies that post under several different names to make their case look stronger.”

    The last poll was over 50% Winston, and about half of that for Mariota.

  36. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:


  37. Couch Fan Says:


    The local drunks at Beef O’Bradys disagree with you. According to him that sums up the whole Tampa Community.

  38. Nick Says:

    This blog is written by one guy who has made his opinion pretty clear. The “blog” is 100% in favor of Winston. The comment section is another matter and over-represented by the naysayers (who endlessly repost the same drivel). My advice from above is to find a blog that represents your views and live a happier life.

  39. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:


    LOL. I think the posting under several names is what the Anti-Winston crowd is doing. Perhaps Patrick was interviewing himself throughout Beefs, a la, Fight Club?

    Patrick = Tyler Durden(hates Winston)

  40. Rob Says:

    “but I don’t think you’ll find too many FSU fans that regret Jameis putting on the garnet & gold for the last 3 years.”

    He only actually played two seasons, but who’s counting…

  41. Eric Says:

    Well the Department of Education has been conducting a Title IX investigation at FSU (and several other Universities), since last April. I wonder if it would sway the haters if they clear the University of any wrongdoing.

    I seriously doubt it.

    The likely outcome since they granted her a student conduct hearing when she finally changed her mind and cooperated, and they used a Supreme Court Justice to decide the factual issues.

  42. BucRock Says:

    @joe – love you to death but you wrote one Bridgewater (usually to describe a deficiency) mention to 50 JF mentions last year. You are deflecting a bunch by saying you liked both Bridgewater AND JF. Most of your articles last year read like the Winston/Mariota articles do this year. Btw, thanks for all the work you put into this site.
    Sorry, but it’s just not accurate. Joe doesn’t appreciate your shot at Joe’s credibility, no matter how pleasant it may be. Joe has archives. Many of those Johnny posts included Joe’s desire to draft either QB. –Joe

  43. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I’m on record with being OK with either choice…but lean toward Mariota because I am concerned about Winston going forward.

    The recent activity of Warren Sapp is very disturbing and whether it’s fair or not, it actually has some impact on the Winston/Mariota issue. Anytime a player and especially a player close to the francise has character issues, it magnifies the problem.

    Those that wish to completely dismiss Winston’s behavior as “simply immature” are not being realistic. The part that troubles me is that even after the sexual assault accusation Winston publicly stood up and shouted FHRITP. Now that’s just plain stupid, foolish and shows more than a lack of maturity….it shows a serious character flaw.

    Can it be overlooked and can the “NFL readiness” overwhelm the decision…..of course it can….I don’t think it is necessarily a deal-breaker…..

    This decision is all about risk/reward…..not an easy decision at all.

  44. Couch Fan Says:

    If that happens Eric, I’m sure the next thing you hear from the haters is “The DOE is in on it to!” Lol

  45. BucRock Says:

    oh, and to the morons that don’t actually read the article…..it was Tiki that Joe was quoting from CBS Radio, not “20”. Geez

  46. Couch Fan Says:


    I dont think anyone is dismissing Winstons issues. They absolutely need to be checked into and if proven true that they are a routine problem with the guy it should way heavily into the decision. I just think most Winston fans aren’t going to judge him guilty without a shadow of a doubt like most the haters are doing. Me personally, im not worrying about his issues at all since I know nothing about what happened that night. I’m trusting Licht/Lovie to do their job.

  47. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:


    I fully expect it.

    Currently part of the Winston conspiracy:

    FSU PD
    State Attorney’s office
    TLH Sexual assault nurse
    UF Chem Lab
    Florida Governor and staff
    Retired Florida Supreme Court Justice

    Am I missing anyone?

  48. Couch Fan Says:

    beyond any shadow of doubt

  49. Couch Fan Says:


    Im sure theres more you forgotten about. I’m sure you can throw in Jamei’s grandmother and his childhood best friend and his 3rd grade teacher. I mean their all part of the cover up since Winston was a child. Hell it might of started back when he was still in the womb.

  50. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Couch Fan

    I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on the sexual assault…..others aren’t inclined…..I am only judging him on what is undisupted fact….

    There might be others that want to win as much as I do….but none more.

    I have been with the Bucs since ’76 and I wan’t another SB in my lifetime….so, I really want the best player.

    I think some of the Winston supporters easily defend all of his actions and assume too easily that Mariota isn’t capable of “making the throws”…..that hasn’t been proven yet. Simply because certain things weren’t required of him don’t mean he can’t adjust.

    I think what we have here is each player is probably not as bad or as good as we think.

  51. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    There are haters…..and there are doubters…..just because you doubt doesn’t automatically mean you hate.

    We are all too quick to put posters in one large category….I think there are multiple categories of fans.

  52. BringBucsBack Says:

    Mr. Patrick Says:
    February 3rd, 2015 at 2:06 pm

    …. You don’t spend 3 years getting rid of all the Turds on your roster then draft one with the #1 pick in the draft.

    BINGO!!! WE are debating the QB’s; not the BUCS. JW is as high on their draft board as Johnny M. was last year -not at all!

  53. Couch Fan Says:


    I respect the doubters. And I poke at the haters. You can usually see how I seperate the two buy my responces. Its all in good fun. At the end of the day we all just want to win again.

  54. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Mr. Patrick

    Mr. Patrick Says:
    February 3rd, 2015 at 2:06 pm

    …. You don’t spend 3 years getting rid of all the Turds on your roster then draft one with the #1 pick in the draft.

    Your point is well taken…but you lose you’re argument when you describe players as “Turds”…

    How about……after spending 3 years getting rid of players with character issues on the roster, it is hard to believe they would spend a number one draft pick on a QB with issues.

  55. Pat Says:

    BD55: Apologies on quote context above. I refrain from using, standing on the table…Then I guess actions speaks louder than words. When it’s all said & done, come what may, I’ll be happy to welcome our newest Bucs. We did win the Super Bowl with our vaunted D led by a Qb who was originally a 9th round draft pick. Go Bucs!

  56. gatrbuc17 Says:

    Sorry, last time you’ll insult Joe. –Joe

  57. gatrbuc17 Says:

    BucRock Says:
    February 3rd, 2015 at 2:55 pm
    oh, and to the morons that don’t actually read the article…..it was Tiki that Joe was quoting from CBS Radio, not “20”. Geez
    I stopped reading the articles here days ago, I’ll read em again after the draft. I come here for the comments.

  58. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    Joe doesn’t make mistakes….because he cleverly chooses his words. If you will notice, he reminds us that Mariota would be “OK” but he thinks Winston is the best choice….although, he chooses a daily “Jameis Watch” rather than “Quarterback Watch” or “Draft Watch” Notice Joe reminded us that he also supported Teddy…..yea…..really!!!

    Fellas, Joe has archives here. You can play pretend all you want. Would you prefer Joe make up stuff and say he doesn’t like Mariota?–Joe

  59. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ Eric
    Winston’s alleged victim filed her suit against FSU in Federal Court. You know what Federal means, right? Google it if you have to

  60. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ Nick
    Exactly. Half for Winston and half against Winston. Thanks for helping

  61. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ TBBF
    Point well taken. However most people with serious character issues are indeed Turds

  62. Eric Says:

    Mr. Patrick,

    I am aware what Federal means.

    Not sure what you are referring to but the Department of Education has been investigating FSU since last April. That is separate from the Federal law suit the alleged victim filed in Orlando at the Middle District.

    Neither is going anywhere IMO, and will meet the fate of the student conduct hearing, which has the lowest standard of proof in the law.

    At that point the alleged victim will be 0-5 in terms of anyone in authority believing her story.

    Already 0-3.

  63. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Speaking for Pablo

    “Pablo actually went to church Sunday….yes, Pablo was attracted to a hot chica who goes to that church…and Pablo likes the taco bar afterwards”…..but Pablo learned at church that everyone deserves a second chance. So Pablo hopes all Buc Fans are willing to forgive the Glazers, Lovie & Licht when they choose the other guy as QB”

  64. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    So, next group added the conspiracy? You guessed it, the Federal courts.

    Eventually, the International Court at the Hague will be protecting Jameis. I doubt no less from the lynch mob.

  65. Couch Fan Says:

    0-5 what a fitting number for the occasion.

  66. Nick Says:

    @Mr. Patrick

    Again, you fail to grasp what I am saying.

    100% of the people that write columns (not Comments) for this site want Winston.

    But to discredit your own tortured math “half for Winston and half against Winston” is not 50/50. It’s the plurality want Winston, 25% want Mariota and the other 25% don’t know what they want for breakfast.

  67. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    The “Victim’s” Title IX lawsuit againt Florida State is that they failed to properly investigate the incident……the merits of the incident really don’t matter….she could be fabricating the story….however, FSU could still lose because of their inaction…..this suit IMO has legs….and will probably be settled.

  68. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ TBBF (and Pablo)

  69. Mr. Patrick Says:

    Exactly. Most of the things that she is accusing FSU of they have already admitted to. FSU will settle out of court to protect themselves from the embarrasment

  70. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    The problem for Winston (and the Bucs if he is drafted) is one of PR…..these lawsuits & documentaries etc….will cause nightmarish publicity….The NFL is a sport….but it is also very big business…..and no businees needs PR problems….they are unecessary distractions…..
    Not only would Winston have to win….but he would be under a microscope like no other player. This is simply a fact that can’t be ignored.
    The Bucs would be in a “Circle the Wagons” mode from day one.
    There is little that will change that but time…..lots of time.

  71. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    It’s time to give Joe a little slack over Johnny flash in the pan. I clearly remember as Joe points out that he also wanted Teddy Bridgewater.

    Too soon to judge either QB but if you must on first year stats Bridgewater had a very good rookie year while Johnny did not.

    The average success rate of first round draft picks is right around 50%. Joe hit that mark. And in fairness Johnny may benefit from rehab and still salvage a decent career.

  72. MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Says:

    Joe was pushing for Johnny Rehab AND Bridgewater last year, but we all know who he had a throbbing hard-on for, and it wasn’t Theodore. Joe went as far as posting up a photoshopped picture of Johnny Rehab in a Bucs uni. Same with this year, he wants Jameis AND Mariota, but Mariota is not the one with a daily “Watch” around these parts.

    I think it’s just the fans giving Joe a hard time for all the Johnny articles last year. Don’t worry Joe, Johnny Rehab will make a FINE BACKUP. 😉

  73. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    Come to grips.

    The end.

  74. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    Have a pewter & red straightjacket with #5 ready for you, either way!!!

  75. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ St. Pete

    U a Broadcaster?

    Spent 30+ years in that biz…..

  76. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    He only actually played two seasons, but who’s counting…

    He was a redshirt sophomore, sweetheart. He wore the garnet & gold for three seasons.

    Nice try, but here’s an easy way to remember this type of thing…the NFL has a pretty well known rule that you have to be out of high school for three years.

  77. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ TBBF
    PR is a huge issue, you are correct. That documentary is going to be shown on CNN in prime time a month before the draft and will be released in theaters nationwide shorty before that. Then everybody will be talking about it and rehashing it. Then it will be shown in Congress to support legislation introduced and supported by a group of female senators, one of which is in the documentary, so more bad PR. And all of this will be going on as possible new civil suits could be filed and get more bad publicity and PR. Whichever team does draft Winston will have a continuous and ongoing mountain for their PR office to climb

  78. Eric Says:

    The “inaction” is a media creation.

    Both the police and FSU tried to contact the alleged victim but her attorney told them to go through her. It was not until 11 months after the incident, when the police report was to be released to the media, that she changed her mind and decided to give a statement and pursue the case. Thus the “delay” was not the fault of FSU or the Police Department.

    This is very clearly stated in the police reports and the letter in response from FSU.

    Furthermore, it was FSU that arranged for the counselor, who also is responsible to advise her as to her rights to pursue a student conduct case.

    That is standard operating procedure by Universities in this type of case and follows the protocol they instituted due to recent changes to Title IX and the responsibilities of the University in such cases.

    If it had “legs” the Department of Education would have stated so long ago.

    None of this is going anywhere.

  79. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Mr. Patrick

    Anyone who doesn’t see that coming shouldn’t be allowed a driver’s license.

    I’m not saying it will keep Bucs from drafting him because I don’t know all the facts they will uncover during their due diligence…..nor do I know their evaluation on Mariota’s pro prospects….

    But….PR will absolutely be an issue…

  80. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    Thrasher won’t settle and she really doesn’t want to deposed.

  81. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Eric

    Right….”media driven”….and that’s exactly why it will settle….to keep it out of the media….
    Doesn’t matter if it is a winner legally….only if it can cause enough damage to FSU along the way…..shame…but that’s the litigious country we live in.

  82. Nick Says:

    @Mr. Patrick

    The one indisputable fact that should be learned from this season, the most turbulent in league history:

    Bad PR means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING when it comes to generating revenue and ratings.

  83. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Nick

    Agree…on the ratings front…but revenue depends on the recipient….

    Ask these folks how the revenue side is going……Rice, Sapp, Hernandez, Peterson etc. etc…..and some teams lost players….

    Surely, you are not saying that PR problems brought on by bad behavior is a good thing…..

  84. Fuzzy Red Coin Purse Says:

    Well we know who won’t be mentoring Winston next season, don’t we. Too bad for Sapp. Although he hasn’t been convicted of anything yet. Time will tell and lets hope Sapp can change his attitude. Draft Winston Bucs!

  85. Eric Says:

    I suppose the three people that still watch CNN might be appalled or something.

  86. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ Nick
    Corporate Sponsorship is a Huge thing in pro sports. Bad PR runs that off sometimes and means millions of dollars lost

  87. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ Eric
    Do not discount the power of women especially concerning what is one of their biggest topics and fears. There will mean a lot of attention to them. And don’t forget all of the other news agancies that are under that same conglomerate

  88. Nick Says:


    The point I’m making is that the Glazers/Lovie/Licht will not base a decision on possible bad PR. The public has told the league “we will buy your product no matter what”. And with a slight deviation at the team level, the public says “we will buy your product no matter what.. as long as you win”.

  89. Mr. Patrick Says:

    This* ^^

  90. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Speaking for Pablo

    “Pablo likes any kind of PR…..good, bad….it don’t matter to Pablo, as long as somebody is paying attention to Pablo….all is mucho bueno” “Pablo thinks his Bucs could use some PR…..any kind….like this year from now through the draft….Pablo’s Bucs will be front & center…..all Pablo’s Bucs had to do was lose.”

  91. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    Not saying they will base the decison on PR….just that it is a factor in the decision…..it is always a factor with any business decision…..and, it is a business.

  92. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    It’s now 4:50 pm….do you know where your future francise QB is?

  93. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ Nick
    In a perfect world that would be true and I wish it was. But the Bucs have to also look at what drafting Winston or anybody else will do to their ticket sales and fanbase, and right now there are a whole lot of people going very public saying that if Bucs draft Winston they will not buy their season tickets while he’s on the roster and a whole lot of regular Bucs fans saying that if he’s drafted here they won’t come to another Bucs game or buy the merchandise. And unfortunately that is a very large group and I’m sure that the Bucs know it and will keep it monitored. Winning should figure into this also, but Bucs don’t want to be winning in a stadium that has mostly fans of the visiting team

  94. WS99 Says:

    Question of the day. Apparently Cleveland has the 12th and 19th overall picks in the draft. Would you trade #1 for #12&19?

  95. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ WS99
    Needing as many good players as the Bucs do, I’d do it in a heartbeat

  96. Nick Says:

    @Mr. Patrick

    All Winston has to do is win and the stadium will sell-out. Philadelphia sold-out every game Michael Vick played and he was actually convicted of something.

    The NFL is not a typical business. Bad PR does not effect it. If anything, it’s only more brand awareness.

  97. Nick Says:


    Would you rather have Fletcher Cox and Shea McClellin..

    or Andrew Luck?

  98. Cody Says:

    Wrong Barber, You tricked me…I love Ronde to death but Tiki is a douche…

    With that said, Tiki’s right…We can go back and forth all day on who’s better Winston or Mariota but the fact of the matter is Winston is more ready for Big boy football than Mariota is…L&L can throw up all the smoke and mirrors they want, but a blind man can see we need to Upgrade the QB position…Dude we have THE! worst QB situation in the league Period…McCown is done, and Glennon is half-way decent but he’s a walking statue/sack-magnet …(granted the O-line didn’t do anyone any favors)…but better QB play alone in 2014 would have gotten us at least 5 or 6 more wins easily…

    We need a QB…Love’em or Hate’em The Bucs need Winston…

  99. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    Mr. Patrick Says:
    February 3rd, 2015 at 6:02 pm

    “@ WS99
    Needing as many good players as the Bucs do, I’d do it in a heartbeat”

    That’s if YOU were doing the drafting…let’s not forget we have Laurel & Hardy making the picks.

  100. WS99 Says:


    There’s no Andrew luck in this draft so that’s a mute point. I’d rather have Sapp(12) and Brooks(28) than KiJana Carter(1).

  101. rayjay1122 Says:

    This whole debate and speculation as to who we should and or will pick is priceless. This is what will keep the offseason entertaining. Fact of the matter is that the Bucs still have a lot of work and evaluations ahead of them and I highly doubt they have made up their minds as to who they will be picking. So, all of the opinions, mock drafts and fan debates are merely entertainment but hold absolutely no weight as to what will actually transpire. I am thankful though because without all of the drama, the offseason would just be flat out boring like the regular season was.

  102. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I’ll will agree that the NFL isn’t a typical business….much of the NFL fanbase doesn’t care about bad behavior of the players….same goes with MLB & NBA…..fans are willing to accept it as long as the player is productive. Winning at any cost motivates many fans.
    Bad PR does have its costs in endorsements, legal fees and PR firm expenses. But the players displaying the bad behavior usually cause problems in the locker room with players who do care….and there are many who do. NFL coaches don’t want distractions of any kind….it is hard enough to field a winner much less have to deal with off-field issues.

  103. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    Mr. Patrick seems to have this delusion that Winston will have the opposite effect on ticket sales….He couldn’t BE more wrong.

    Then again Mr. Patrick has not left one bad word out of the book when describing Winston on a daily basis.

    So consider the source!

  104. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Players like Blount, Eric Wright, Talib, Mike Williams & Josh Freeman are players that displayed behavior that affected their team & teamates….sure a change of scenery can make a difference….but nevertheless….their release/trade was necessary.

  105. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    I’ll tell you this you people on this site have no idea how many people I’ve had call One Buc and tell them to take Winston and they will buy season tickets.

    Oh it’s out there. The blitz has been on for 2 weeks now. That place is getting flooded with calls by now….. Enjoy and you’re welcome! 🙂

  106. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    I actually think ticket sales will improve with either QB…..if we trade & end up with meh @ QB…then all bets are off….

    I’m sure there are some who would not support the Winston pick but doubt they are committed Buc fans…and they would be certainly offset by supporters.

    On the other hand….I fail to see how a selection of Mariota would enrage the fanbase and cause any drop in ticket sales…..there would at least be a “wait-n-see”

  107. Luther Says:

    It would enrage me if he turns out to be a bust. Until I see him do it on the field, I must assume he can’t do it. I know Winston can do everything they ask of him in a pro offense because I’ve seen him do it.

  108. armchairGM Says:

    @87 and I don’t mean anything by this and I think you may have answered this already but I cant remember, are you a seminoles fan?

  109. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ luther

    You have seen Winston in a “pro style” offense on a college team…..there have been many successful “pro-style” college QBs that have not done well in the NFL….

    The question really may be….which QB can play best with the Bucs offense….perhaps the one that can run for his life!!!

  110. Rob Says:

    “The “inaction” is a media creation.”

    I have a pretty strong feeling the courts will disagree with you – or FSU will get cold feet and try to settle outside of court.

  111. Luther Says:

    @Tampabaybucfan I’m not disputing that fact at all. But the overwhelming stat is that the odds of a “Spread QB” doing well is a lot less. I prefer to go with the odds. It’s like buying a mutual fund or stock. Past performance is not guarantee of future returns but I’m sure most of us would not buy either if you have never seen it perform the way you hope in the future.

  112. Eric Says:

    Nice work 87.

    I’ve told them too. Every time they call……….

    After all I am a stockholder over there.

  113. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    I agree that past performance is key…..but the stock analogy isn’t a good one because a stock that had any hint of future risk would be very volitile.

    I am convinced as you and others that Winston is less of a risk as a player….but I am concerned that he is more of a risk as a person.

    I will leave it to those who will know all of the facts to decide….I’ll support either pick….but I would be greatly disappointed if it isn’t one of them.

  114. Eric Says:

    Mr. Thrasher as former speaker of the House of Representatives carries a big stick.

    Last thing the accuser’s lawyer did was receiving an admonition from the President of the Florida Bar for inappropriate remarks about Major Harding.

    Not smart. Nor is the appearance on the “documentary” after the case was filed.

    Federal Court Justices take a dim view of that sort of thing.

    Expecting an omnibus Motion To Dismiss in the coming days. Good shot it gets thrown out.

    Facts do matter in court.

  115. Dr Feelgood Says:

    Two of the biggest and baddest Bucs in history endorse this guy and you Winston haters keep coming with the choirboy crap!! Did you love “prostitute soliciting, multiple child producing, mean to the public, dope smoking” Warren Sapp when he was whipping that ass? Or did you LOVE him……LOVE him, like ALL Bucs fans did!! Sapp is an A**HOLE, but I am so glad he had his HOF career in Tampa for the most part. You anti-Winston people are a JOKE!! Don’t go to games next year and don’t buy Bucs merchandise unless you wanna put hypocrite on the back of the jersey. I can’t wait to see the lack of participation, or the flipping of comments from those who don’t want Winston. Get a life!

  116. iamkingsu Says:

    All this trade down crap is absurd. The Rams ruled the draft the last 3 years and hit on basically all of them. Still are a average team because you need a qb in this league! Take the kid at 1 thank me later

  117. Rob Says:

    “Two of the biggest and baddest Bucs in history endorse this guy and you Winston haters keep coming with the choirboy crap!!”

    And Father Dungy endorsed Mariota.

    People are dug in on this. Derrick Brooks’ and Tony Dungy’s opinions don’t mean squat.

  118. Luther Says:

    @Tampabaybucfan I agree with you. By the way Biotech Stocks and Mutual Funds/ETFs are hot right now. Lots of risk with those things right now 🙂

  119. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    February 3rd, 2015 at 1:34 pm

    “someones gonna pop a vein in here”

    I’m famous, I’m famous!

    Call Hollywood…I need an agent.

  120. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    Rob Says:

    “And Father Dungy endorsed Mariota.”

    Correct Rob…for Dungy was fired by the Glazers.

  121. Watchman57 Says:

    It is my humble opinion as previously stated that there is no franchise QB in this draft. There are some guys that are decent and a few career backups but nobody that is outstanding or worth that #1 pick. So the Bucs have to now figure out a way to leverage that top pick into more picks or in some combination of moves that will most benefit their team.
    We are still almost 3 months away from the draft and we still have the free agency period, the combine, each school’s pro day, personal visits and private workouts with teams all to go yet The Bucs themselves may not even know what their own moves will be and would be wise to wait until all of those activities have occured before doing so. Then you listen to all offers that come your way remembering that any team that would want to change places with you will have to meet your price as you are the ones at the top of the mountain.Then if you don’t get the offer that you want you stand pat and select the player that you feel the most secure with, depending on if your player is someone that you want to play and contribute quickly or someone that you will be patient with while he developes and learns the NFL game.
    Either way the Bucs decide I will have faith that after long consideration they do what they think is best for the team and organization and have the success that we all hope for
    And that is my humble opinion

  122. mikeh Says:

    that’s exactly the point creamcicle popsicle or what ever the hell! its all you pinhead fsu fans that want this clown drafted like he is going to come in and start kicking everybodys ars! in the nfl. please!!!! we already have a turn over machine on the team. Winston is going to the jets so he can be with his twin brother who also is a so called QB. and joe why don’t u put some articles from the other thousands of people that know this clown Winston is overrated.

  123. Eric Says:

    The only endorsement that matters is Lovie Smith.

    Good luck getting him to tell you.

  124. Rob Says:

    “Correct Rob…for Dungy was fired by the Glazers.”

    And the Glazers allowed Derrick Brooks to be unceremoniously dumped in favor of a 32 year old Head Coach with no experience.

    What’s your point?

  125. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    Rob…I’m agreeing with you..is it..okay?

  126. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    Whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine much mikeh?

  127. mikeh Says:

    there not taking your friggin calls please!!! phsyco!! just like lovie tanked the season so he could draft that bozo boy friend of yours! really!!!! you need help pal. seriously!

  128. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    mikeh…they are taking hundreds of my calls. Not my actual calls, but I lit the fuse. This is not even close to the ONLY site I post at. There’s FSU blogs as well.

    Trust me Mike they are taking hundreds of calls a day.

  129. mikeh Says:

    ya and they must laugh there ars off because the only calls they want is if your ordering tickets or you need info on something not to hear if u take this guy or that guy I will buy. you truly are f**ked up over that bozo who they are not taking get over IT!!!!!! PAL LMFAO!!!

  130. mikeh Says:

    whine holy crap all you do on here is friggin whine anytime somebody says your boy friend is trouble or whatever else you idiot you need help! cuz you have issues over this clown Winston. f*****

  131. Rob Says:

    “Rob…I’m agreeing with you..is it..okay?”

    I guess I didn’t quite get your post then.

  132. mikeh Says:

    @ MR PATRICK- keep up the good work. AND YOU 87. GET A LIFE DUDE!!

  133. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    mikeh…I don’t care what you think…is it obvious yet?

    Btw way Mikey I’m going to do a lot more than mass call One Buc over the next 3 months. That’s kid’s stuff.

    Stay tuned.

  134. 87ForJameisNOMariota Says:

    mikeh Says:
    February 3rd, 2015 at 9:45 pm

    that’s exactly the point creamcicle popsicle or what ever the hell! its all you pinhead fsu fans that want this clown drafted like he is going to come in and start kicking everybodys ars! in the nfl. please!!!! we already have a turn over machine on the team. Winston is going to the jets so he can be with his twin brother who also is a so called QB. and joe why don’t u put some articles from the other thousands of people that know this clown Winston is overrated.


  135. rayjay1122 Says:

    This is all so entertaining!!! Please do not stop. This drama is so much more entertaining than most of the Bucs games last season. This is going to be the best off season ever!!! 🙂

  136. Eric Says:

    Keep em calling 87!!!!!!!

    Go Jaboo!

  137. rayjay1122 Says:

    Since free agency comes before the draft how about we trim some fat such as letting Claiborne go to UFA and Goldson. Outbid everyone to get OT Bryan Bulaga, OG Orlando Franklin, DE Jason Piere Paul and or Jerry Hughes, MLB Rolando McClain and OLB Justin Houston. If we let Claiborne, Bowers, Goldson, Foster and Mankins walk along with the increased cap space maybe we could make some splash this year in Free agency. There is no QB I am too impressed with in free agency so we have to draft or trade for one. Just my wish list.

  138. Eric Says:

    Winston is a clown? Heisman and National Title?

    And what have you accomplished?

    Going to the convenience store to purchase Skoal Wintergreen doesn’t count.

  139. loggedontosay Says:

    Did you ask the Barber’s did they lie, steal, vandalize, yell obscenities in public and get accused of rape by more than one victim before their junior year? Guilty people get rid of evidence!

    Guilty people get rid of evidence?

  140. Bill Says:

    Winston is a bum.

    He has sex, speaks, and goes to class. What an A-hole. If the seafood manager at Publix offered me a handout I would surely decline, it’s not like I’m making college athlete money.

    What a bum.

    Interrupt a live broadcast and say FHRITP, it’s comedy. Say it in a student union when nobody is looking? It’s tasteless.

    In the last 2.5 years Winston has turned himself in for the Crab leg incident and been suspended for “speaking” a phrase which was glorified as comedy. In the last 2 and a half years that’s all he’s done.

    It seems like more, doesn’t it?

  141. Jameis Winston Says:

    @ Bill
    You should have just stopped at “Winston is a Bum”