Jameis Watch: “Not A Franchise-wrecker”
February 14th, 2015
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion Jameis Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.
If it didn’t make Joe sick, he would laugh so hard his sides would split from the rank hyprocrisy of the Jameis Winston haters.
Oh, no, you never, ever hear them say a friggin’ word about Mark Sanchez, who himself was investigated for sexual assualt in college at USC, but cleared. Somehow, the five boroughs of Gotham and the City of Brotherly Love are still standing
Oh, no, you never hear one word of outrage about Zach Mettenberger, who copped a plea of sexual assault in college, yet to the best of Joe’s knowledge, Nashville has not been burned to the ground.
Yet Winston coming to the Bucs? To hear some, the area would be better off with an outbreak of the Ebola virus.
Even heavy metal-headbanging Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports believes this Jameis hate is out of control.
Too many people who I know and trust who know him too well — the real him; the behind-the-scenes him; the meeting-room him and the practice field him and the locker-room him — have vouched for him for me to believe Winston is not a franchise-wrecker.
What he is, I’ve been told, is a driven leader, a gym rat, a football lover who has been steeped in an NFL-style offense. He reads defenses well and he’s asked to run Jimbo Fisher’s demanding pro style offense where nothing less than excellence is tolerated. And Fisher will be a tremendous advocate for him, and has already told any NFL type who asks exactly what he thinks of this kid and his ability to win games at the next level.
La Canfora goes on to write Winston not only will be the next signal-caller of the Bucs, but like Superman himself, will swoop down from the skies and single-handedly save Lovie Smith’s job.
February 14th, 2015 at 3:04 pm
Jameis is going to do so well in Tampa. The Bucs lucked out here.
February 14th, 2015 at 3:11 pm
And if the sexual assault was the ONLY thing in Winston’s (recent) past I’d give him a ‘pass’. I am not sure why Joe is even bringing up Sanchez and Mettenberger. They are not, nor have ever been, nor are likely to be Buccaneers (just like Johnny).
Winston (nor Mariota) are ‘my’ choice for the #1 pick, but whatever the Buccaneer management decides… I will cheer for.
February 14th, 2015 at 3:13 pm
Can’t wait to see Mariota in pewter and red.
February 14th, 2015 at 3:16 pm
win it’s in his name
#winninwithwinston #justwinstonbaby
February 14th, 2015 at 3:17 pm
Freeman’s greatest record is still destroying 2 franchises in 1 year! No one else has gotten 2 coaches fired in the same league year!
February 14th, 2015 at 3:18 pm
I’m ordering my new #5 Bucs jersey today!
February 14th, 2015 at 3:22 pm
Bucs draft mariota and sit him the first year as glennon starts and gets his trade value up something like brees and rivers
February 14th, 2015 at 3:22 pm
Hawk Says:
February 14th, 2015 at 3:11 pm
WHAT? Would you give him a pass if it were against your daughter? Well, that was someone’s daughter.
February 14th, 2015 at 3:26 pm
Pretty astute Buc Realist. So happy Mprris and Dummynick conspired to get this rube on the team. Rock Star my a$$ .
February 14th, 2015 at 3:27 pm
I’m headed to Publix on draft day for crabs. It will be so sweet and buttery when the Goodell calls his name first.
February 14th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
People make too much of Winston’s interceptions. Yes he threw a lot last year but they were all in winning efforts. Mariota threw less but he also lost more games because he took less chances. I don’t mind my QB throwing a few picks if in the end we win the game.
February 14th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
Marcu_Mariota, as a father with two daughters let me answer that question for you. My daughters were coming of age when Mike Tyson was railroaded for rape.
I told both of them, if a man invites you up to his hotel room or you invite him to your room at midnight, don’t be under the Pollyanna illusions he is just coming up there to talk. Not at midnight or afterwards.
Now I am not saying this gives a man an open invitation to rape a woman, but I am saying don’t be surprised or shocked if a man comes on to you wanting sex when this occurs.
Not only that, but both of them had been drinking and I don’t remember anyw
February 14th, 2015 at 3:38 pm
I don’t remember anywhere in the reports where Winston was the one plying her with booze.
The fact of the matter there are only four people who know what happened in that room and two of them supported Winston’s version.
If you consider yourself a true American you will put this away. He has been through two inquiries and exonerated both times. Stop calling him a rapist or saying he has raped someone because he hasn’t according to two inquiries.
To keep adamantly calling him one only makes you look like an idiot and a facist.
February 14th, 2015 at 3:38 pm
Lev in philly
Hes been compared to cutler because hes a gun slinger and trows alot of interceptions then why not just trade for him and if i recall they lost the same amount of games last year 1 … smh
February 14th, 2015 at 3:51 pm
@ Marcus_Mariota_Mob
Sorry I wasn’t more clear for you. The word ‘pass’ was inside those marks to denote that *I* wasn’t going to hold ONE ACCUSATION against anyone. If new evidence comes to light about that accusation, then I am all ears.
We are talking about ‘He said, She said’. As yet, no charges have been filed, and he has been ‘investigated’ by media, school, and law enforcement. IF he is guilty, I hope he gets what he deserves from such an act, but the law says “innocent until proven guilty”. I don’t have to agree with the outcome, but I do have to ‘honor’ the law. *I* would not draft him because (even throwing out the assault claim), he has shown a total lack of maturity that a QB should have, AND I am concerned about his play translating into the NFL where DBs are not chumps.
I have serious concerns about Mariota, also, but that is another story.
BTW, if that had been my daughter, I would have a better understanding of what truly went on, and would have acted accordingly.
February 14th, 2015 at 4:01 pm
THanks for the clarification Hawk.
Shooting BB guns, stealing crab legs and shouting out obscenities on campus are, I hate to say, more like fraternity pranks. Please see Animal House.
In fact, I hate to say it, but the last time I was at USF with my daughter eating wings at the Beef O’ Brady’s, I had to ask the two girls sitting next to us to tone thier language down because they were making me blush.
I thought I was sitting next to two sailors at a Portsmouth bar and grill.
Fortunately all I got from my daughter was the eye roll.
February 14th, 2015 at 4:01 pm
We are so close to having legitimate talent behind center since well before Culverhouse took his celestial dirt nap. Don’t screw this up.
Winston = winning football games in Tampa again
February 14th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
Lev in Philly Says:
February 14th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
People make too much of Winston’s interceptions. Yes he threw a lot last year but they were all in winning efforts. Mariota threw less but he also lost more games because he took less chances. I don’t mind my QB throwing a few picks if in the end we win the game.
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And those same people never talk about all of Mariota’s fumbles. I think he had the 2nd most fumbles in college football one year.
February 14th, 2015 at 4:07 pm
@jorgy_mike says Marcus Mariota has worked two primary areas in spring: ball security (11 fumbles in ’13) and more outgoing leadership.
February 14th, 2015 at 4:09 pm
Oregon’s Marcus Mariota, considered one of the top quarterback prospects in college football, fumbled 11 times last season. That total was tied for second-most in the NCAA, and it’s something he’ll have to improve on this fall if he hopes for a clean evaluation from NFL scouts.
February 14th, 2015 at 4:15 pm
Oh I have a vision of Jamis Winston leading the Bucs!
Wow, Does that make me physic?
February 14th, 2015 at 4:19 pm
Brugler: Mariota has 23 fumbles in 31 starts
CBS Sports’ Dane Brugler notes QB Marcus Mariota has put the ball on the ground 23 times in 31 starts while at Oregon.
Mariota has only lost 10 of those 23 fumbles, however, keeping a fumble seems to be equal parts luck as it is skills. “Ball security HAS to be a focal point for” Mariota, Brugler writes. The Oregon quarterback is more comfortable in the pocket than given credit for, but his mobility and running ability is still a big part of Mariota’s game.
February 14th, 2015 at 4:29 pm
Both Mettenberger and Sanchez were accused of assault, not rape…Mettenberger for grabbing hold of some boob & booty in a bar. Big difference between that and all-out rape. As for Sanchez, he is not a good example of a QB who was cleared of sexual charges and went on to become a big success in the NFL. Really, the only QB who can be called a success & who was also an ‘alleged’ rapist is Roethlisberger.
February 14th, 2015 at 4:29 pm
Lol, this is the hunting ground fan club. Jameis is different than the other guys joe brings up and cause somebody else does it does that make it ok? Jameis didn’t just rape some one he did like four other things to get in trouble. He isn’t a Franchise wrecker really he isn’t costing FSU any money right now in a lawsuit? The same suit he will be fighting the min he gets drafted. The 18 int’s to 11 fumbles is the dumbest argument ever. lot easier to fix a fumbling problem than a slow release and int problem. Let’s not blame it on the wideouts because we all know Mariota didn’t have half the talent at wideout that the hunting ground did. Jimbo has yet to even put a average QB in the NFL just first round bust so that argument is getting old. His pro system clearly can’t produce a NFL QB
February 14th, 2015 at 4:36 pm
Waterboy Says:
February 14th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
Lev in Philly Says:
February 14th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
People make too much of Winston’s interceptions. Yes he threw a lot last year but they were all in winning efforts. Mariota threw less but he also lost more games because he took less chances. I don’t mind my QB throwing a few picks if in the end we win the game.
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And those same people never talk about all of Mariota’s fumbles. I think he had the 2nd most fumbles in college football one year.
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Why do people like to lie?
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/marcus-mariota-1.html
February 14th, 2015 at 4:38 pm
Fumbles lose games Blount never had more than 6 in a season and is labeled a fumbler and released.
February 14th, 2015 at 4:43 pm
Mariota has lost 11 fumbles in three yrs though. Thrown 14 ints in the same three yrs. So I think he has 25 ( if my math is correct) total turnovers in a Three yr career.
Winston has fumbled 13 times but only lost 4. He threw 28 ints so he has 32 total turnovers in 2 yrs.
Just stats and we all know what Rah thinks about Stats.
February 14th, 2015 at 4:54 pm
Winston will be throwing even MORE interceptions in the NFL with his habit of forcing his throws and the NFL DB’s taking advatage of that long delivery
Mariota will have fewer fumbles as he will be running the ball a lot less in the NFL and will have much more NFL success.
I’m still hoping for Williams though. Or maybe trade down, but finding a trade partner may be very difficult
February 14th, 2015 at 4:55 pm
Marcus_Mariota_Mob Says:
February 14th, 2015 at 3:22 pm
Hawk Says:
February 14th, 2015 at 3:11 pm
And if the sexual assault was the ONLY thing in Winston’s (recent) past I’d give him a ‘pass’.
WHAT? Would you give him a pass if it were against your daughter? Well, that was someone’s daughter.
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Nothing has been proven despite three attempts at doing so… more evidence was found on Peyton Manning (guilty, UT paid in civil suit) and Roethlisberger and they don’t get this crap. Mark Sanchez was similarly accused of rape right before he was drafted… luckily for him, it was false and his undoing was the fact that he sucks.
February 14th, 2015 at 4:56 pm
After reading Jason’s article I was wondering if he had been hired by FSU or had been heavily medicated
February 14th, 2015 at 4:58 pm
No matter how much you polish or paint a turd, it’s still a turd
February 14th, 2015 at 5:01 pm
Charles Davis’ new mock draft on NFL.com has Winston sliding to 10th to the Rams. I think he’s real close
February 14th, 2015 at 5:07 pm
It’s hard to even give Mariota credit for his passing stats and low number of INT’s because of the gimmick scheme that they run at Oregon. Look up his predecessor Darron Thomas’ stats while at Oregon, he had low INT numbers and very similar stats to Mariota. He’s now fighting for a starting position in the arena league.
Mariota may have only lost 11 fumbles in 3 years but he fumbled the ball 27 times and threw 14 INTS. That puts him at 40, just because he got a lucky bounces on the fumbles doesn’t mean that you can’t count them. It shows that he has problems handling the ball. Winston had 13 fumbles and 28 INT’s in 2 seasons which put him at 41. Mariota also had 2 passes that should have been picked off in the game against FL State dropped by FL State defenders but obviously we can’t count those.
February 14th, 2015 at 5:07 pm
The La Confora article is an excellent piece that details the difficult task Winston is about to embark on – starting with the Combine next week.
I highly recommend everyone read the entire article which Joe linked to above.
Here’s a key quote that kind of sums it all up regarding Winston IMO:
“He isn’t perfect, far from it, but his potential and upside are startling, and he’s the closest thing, by far, to a can’t-miss quarterback in this draft, from what I hear.”
Mariota is quite likely to be a good QB in the NFL given some time. If the Bucs draft him they will have improved their QB talent drastically.
Winston, IMO, is somewhat likely to be a good NFL QB in his 1st year and even if the Bucs only win 6 or 7 games – that promise he shows will save Lovie’s job. But if you project 2-3-4 years down the road – I see the potential for greatness in Winston’s abilities he has already put on tape. Like Luck, Brady, Brees, Manning, Rothlisberger type greatness. Scoff at that suggestion all you want – but I personally see that type of ceiling as a legit potential for Jameis Winston.
Bucs need to take a chance on greatness!! Screw the idea of picking the “safe” QB who has the character of an eagle scout and is a good runner – but also has to learn how to be an NFL QB. Pick the kid who has already shown week in and week out for 2 years that he knows how to do well what NFL QBs are routinely asked to do. That to me is the the actual “safe” pick. And with the potential upside of a true top 10 NFL QB ceiling to boot.
February 14th, 2015 at 5:08 pm
Mr. Patrick Says:
February 14th, 2015 at 4:54 pm
Winston will be throwing even MORE interceptions in the NFL with his habit of forcing his throws and the NFL DB’s taking advatage of that long delivery
Mariota will have fewer fumbles as he will be running the ball a lot less in the NFL and will have much more NFL success.
I’m still hoping for Williams though. Or maybe trade down, but finding a trade partner may be very difficult
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Unfortunately the majority of Mariota’s fumbles were on passing plays.
February 14th, 2015 at 5:09 pm
Waterboy Says:
February 14th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
Lev in Philly Says:
February 14th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
People make too much of Winston’s interceptions. Yes he threw a lot last year but they were all in winning efforts. Mariota threw less but he also lost more games because he took less chances. I don’t mind my QB throwing a few picks if in the end we win the game.
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And those same people never talk about all of Mariota’s fumbles. I think he had the 2nd most fumbles in college football one year.
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What’s even worse, most of the people harping on Winston’s INTs are the same ones backing Mike Glennon, who as a 5th year Senior at NC St., threw 17 INTs as well…. including 10 in losses to Tennessee, Vanderbilt, and an awful 4-8 UVa team at home, 33-6 or something like that.
February 14th, 2015 at 5:11 pm
The chance of a smart guy like Winston growing up and fixing his character flaws is still far greater than a hardworker like Mariota “learning” how to be an NFL QB. FAR GREATER.
February 14th, 2015 at 5:13 pm
MarshallU Says:
February 14th, 2015 at 5:01 pm
Charles Davis’ new mock draft on NFL.com has Winston sliding to 10th to the Rams. I think he’s real close
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I wish that I knew you, I’d LOVE to take you up on a nice bet that Winston won’t slide past 2. I feel that Mariota could easily slide that low because I think Tennessee will stick with their young QB if Winston isn’t available and the Jets and Redskin have already learned their lesson about drafting system QB’s that put up big numbers in college.
February 14th, 2015 at 5:17 pm
I even went back and watched HS tape on Mariota and even back then he was still running a spread option offense so he has 0 experience in running a pro-style offense where the QB has to drop back and primarily throw vertical routes down the field. Winston ran a spread-option type offense in HS and has proven that he can operate in both systems.
February 14th, 2015 at 5:19 pm
Hopefully Joe will let this link go thru, here’s a good visual:
http://thebiglead.com/2014/10/11/marcus-mariota-fumbled-picked-it-back-up-ran-for-touchdown/
February 14th, 2015 at 5:28 pm
We’re not talking 1 Red Flag. We’re talking many Red Flags. That’s the difference. #JustSayNo to #TheCreepyCrab
February 14th, 2015 at 5:29 pm
@ddneast said:
Shooting BB guns, stealing crab legs and shouting out obscenities on campus are, I hate to say, more like fraternity pranks.
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I certainly did at least that much, and worse, when I was Winston’s age.
But I was drunk or high every time.
Is Winston simply an immature goofball? Can his repeated transgressions simply be chalked up to youthful indiscretion?
Or are there deeper, underlying issues? That’s for the Buccaneers organization to investigate and ultimately decide.
Jerramy Stevans, Tanard Jackson, Aqib Talib, Mike Williams, Josh Freeman, Brian Price, Da’Quan Bowers, etc. Something tells me the Bucs are going to very careful about using their first overall pick on Jameis Winston.
Fool the Bucs once, shame on you. Fool them over and over again, then shame on the Bucs for being a pathetic organization that keeps making the same stupid decisions and expecting different results.
February 14th, 2015 at 5:37 pm
Not a franchise wrecker, no he’s not. He’s a franchise killer
February 14th, 2015 at 5:48 pm
Franchise Destroyer!!!
When do the protests start May 1?
See you guys at 1buc
February 14th, 2015 at 5:50 pm
nybucsfan424 Says:
February 14th, 2015 at 5:48 pm
Franchise Destroyer!!!
When do the protests start May 1?
See you guys at 1buc
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Lol you can protest all you want I’ll bring you beer on my way out of the stadium.
February 14th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
Two things will have to happen for the Buccaneers to draft Jameis Winston:
1. Their evaluation of Mariota will have to scare them away from drafting him, and;
2. They will have to come to the conclusion that they can completely trust Jameis Winston.
Somehow, I don’t see those two things happening.
Welcome to Tampa, Marcus Mariota.
February 14th, 2015 at 5:58 pm
There are a couple of assumptions that are being made about Mariota that we just don’t know.
1. Can he make the transition to the NFL & how long will that take?
2. Will the Bucs (particularly the Glazers) afford Lovie the necessary time?
This may be the tradeoff. If the Glazer’s comfort level with Winston isn’t good….they may have let Lovie know that he will be given the time to develop Mariota.
Now….if they determine he can’t make that transition all bets are off.
I believe that most of the Mock Drafts that predict the Bucs will choose Winston make that prediction base on the “win-now” position they think Lovie is in. And that just might not be the case.
I do think the Glazers will insist that a QB be drafted.
February 14th, 2015 at 5:58 pm
@Senor Mofo
You make a very valid point and I agree, I think the organization would do a very thorough background investigation put a lot of thought into that decision based on some of those players that you mentioned.
Although Josh Freeman, Brian Price, Da’Quan Bowers didn’t have off-field issues they just didn’t workout. Aquib Talib may not have been the boyscout that they wanted but he’s still performing at a high-level in the NFL and probably a lot happier with his new teams than he ever was with the Bucs.
Tanard Jackson and Jeremy Stevens had substance abuse problems, that’s one redflag that 85% (just a guess) will always comeback to haunt you.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:00 pm
Freeman, bowers, and price do not have character issues. Just saying.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:06 pm
Tampabaybucfan Says:
February 14th, 2015 at 5:58 pm
There are a couple of assumptions that are being made about Mariota that we just don’t know.
1. Can he make the transition to the NFL & how long will that take?
2. Will the Bucs (particularly the Glazers) afford Lovie the necessary time?
This may be the tradeoff. If the Glazer’s comfort level with Winston isn’t good….they may have let Lovie know that he will be given the time to develop Mariota.
Now….if they determine he can’t make that transition all bets are off.
I believe that most of the Mock Drafts that predict the Bucs will choose Winston make that prediction base on the “win-now” position they think Lovie is in. And that just might not be the case.
I do think the Glazers will insist that a QB be drafted.
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I think you make a valid point with #1 and in my opinion is you can’t take a guy with the #1 pick that you’re guessing whether he can “transition” into an nfl player. Taking a guy that high you should have evidence that he can make that transition. Now whether it happens or not is up to that player and numerous other factors.
Charles Davis made a good point about Mariota when he said that he feels that he could have higher ceiling IF he transforms into the QB that people think that he can be but when drafting a guy at #1 you have to also consider his floor. With Winston we already have a pretty idea of where his floor is but with Mariota the fall could be a lot lower.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:08 pm
@Waterboy
Although Josh Freeman, Brian Price, Da’Quan Bowers didn’t have off-field issues they just didn’t workout.
That depends on what you call “off-field”…..I would say all of them had off-field issues in my book…….
For example….Freeman missing a team photo is an off-field issue.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:11 pm
knuckledragger is pretty much a tard.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:17 pm
Mariota all day. Winston will look great someday in an orange jumpsuit
February 14th, 2015 at 6:19 pm
Good point about Sanchez.
Not ever brought up.
he was cleared and the rest of it is harmless college pranks.
Lovie is African American, from the south. He knows what’s going on here. It is obvious.
April 30th is going to be a great day for Jaboo and the Bucs.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:19 pm
Welcome to Tampa, Marcus Mariota. Lmao @ Joes, Winston will NEVER be a buc. Get over it.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:22 pm
I wonder if Mons Venus will be having a Winston draft party?
February 14th, 2015 at 6:23 pm
@ Tampabaybucfan
I agree with everything you said (above) EXCEPT your last sentence (big surprise). We have disagreed on this before, but I believe that the Glazers will NOT impose their ‘want’ on the staff, but WILL ask, “Why not (player)?”. If they get a good explanation for the ‘why’ and ‘why not’, they are happy. It will be Lovies’ choice as long as the Glazers are kept in the loop of the reasoning behind his decisions. I have NO doubt that Lovie/Licht have had/will have conversations with the Glazers about ANY concerns they might have about ANY player being considered (FA and draft). It is possible that this would explain the lack of Incognito in pewter.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:23 pm
@ Waterboy
Yes….the key is whether or not the Bucs believe he can transition….if they after tape review/workouts investigation etc…believe they can….the only remaining element is time…..and, I can see Lovie going to the Glazers asking for the time….and I can see the Glazers giving it to him.
In that case…..Glennon makes complete sense because we are talking a different style from Mariota than what we have seen……pro style…perhaps 2016.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:26 pm
I talk to Lovie on a regular basis and we both agreed that drafting Winston over Mariota would be a cardinal sin; punishable by death of his coaching career. #gospel
February 14th, 2015 at 6:28 pm
A draft part at Mons Venus? I’ll be there and buy lap dances for all my friends when the Bucs draft JW!!!
February 14th, 2015 at 6:28 pm
I can’t wait to see the real #5 show up. Long live Winston… (or a trade down)
February 14th, 2015 at 6:30 pm
Racism is an ugly thing to watch.
Sad.
I’m very confident Lovie won’t be swayed from getting a great QB prospect by it. If anything it will strengthen his decision.
Glazer’s can relate too.
Not worried. The haters will not prevail.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:31 pm
@ Hawk
I believe the Glazers can “lead” Lovie & Licht towards a decision rather than demand it.
For example….and this is very possible…..there is not a strong sense of who the pick should be…..the Glazers could let L&L know that they would be willing to give them the time to develop the QB…..
Or they could throw that question up so strongly regarding Winston’s character that it can’t be answered. “Why should we trust him?” That could be a hard question to answer….
Or…they could say “Our choice is Mariota….but you guys are the GM & HC….you make the final decision”……IF you were them, how would you like to deal with that?
February 14th, 2015 at 6:35 pm
Eric, you are highly ignorant and you need to cleanse your evil heart.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:37 pm
Jesus Christ
You really should be speaking to blind haters on this site and explain to them one of the keys to the christian religion is forgiveness. I love how all these holier than thou hypocrites pick and choose their agendas. Please help them understand the error of their ways and embrace Winston and the Wins he will bring our beloved bucs.
Draft Winston!!!! JC is a fan!
February 14th, 2015 at 6:40 pm
There is a reason why Mariota leads Winston 2-1 in all polls including even the state of Florida….and it’s the PR issue…..the same issue that will have tremendous influence over the Glazers….it is their team and this choice may last longer than the coaches & GM……they absolutely cannot get this wrong.
If the talents and capabilities are anywhere close with the two prospects….they will go with the safer pick.
The capabilities may not be known at this time….again, the Mocks are trying to predict the Bucs decision not suggesting what they should do.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:40 pm
Great article. I’m still worried about him. For me the risk is still too high. I think he has a CHANCE to be really good. For those who think we have solved our QB issues by drafting him, I would respectfully say we don’t know yet. He has not played one down in the NFL. I still prefer following Houston’s path last year, pass on the QBs and either take best available player or trade. Bottom line IMO neither guy is a franchise QB. Either way I will root for whomever they draft
February 14th, 2015 at 6:42 pm
While I do forgive Jameis for his delivering of the pipe to a slutty young female, I still prefer my faithful son Mariota.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:44 pm
Jameis to Tampa.
Love it or go be a Phins fan.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:47 pm
Lovie could care less about a poll.
The Glazer’s either. Last time they listened to fan desires they ended up firing Chuckie and hiring Raheem Morris.
Besides the poll is skewed by the NYTs and BSPN’s witch hunt journalism.
The Bucs will find that out when they get to know the real Jameis. From people who know him.
The racists haters will not carry the day.
Thank goodness.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:47 pm
The hunting ground is Russell2.0 did you see the pic of how fat the hunting ground is
February 14th, 2015 at 6:49 pm
Racism should have no bearing on anyting….and the rape allegation should not continue to be a topic.
It is clouding the real issues and is inflamatory.
The real issues are IMHO……capabilites of the two QBs in an NFL offense, character of the two QBs as the face of the Buc francise. Which QB will give us the best chance to win while being a long-term asset to the team. (this is exactly what you would expect from a #1 pick)
February 14th, 2015 at 6:49 pm
Eric, stop the racist crap. For me his skin color has nothing to do with it. I’m concerned about his behavior. I could care less about the color of his skin. I’m worried about the number one pick one someone who may be in Goddells office more than he’s on the field.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:54 pm
Tampa bay, totally disagree on the rape issue. It is relevant because IF there is an innocent with a female while he’s in the NFL, this charge will surface and become part of a pattern of behavior. In the post Ray Rice world, this rape charge will make it more likely he is the subject of outrage and has the book thrown at him by the league.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:54 pm
Man some of the things said in here are really astounding. The NFL is not a running QB league nor a spread offense league. Eveyone needs to come to that realization. MM will not be able to run all over the field in the NFL. The talent level is to great for that to happen. He is also injury prone. Three injuries in his time at Oregon. I can imagine what will happen in the NFL when he tries to run 6 out 10 plays.
Also please name one running qb who has excelled in this league consistantly in the last 10 years other than Russell Wilson who I do not consider a run first QB. Also lets be honest his team is why they are winning not him. Just look at the NFC Championship and Super Bowl. Not his best outings. Team won in spite of him.
The pick will be Jameis Winston. It is a no brainer.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:55 pm
if you listen to jesus christo, you are a fool!
February 14th, 2015 at 6:55 pm
christos
February 14th, 2015 at 6:56 pm
@ Eric
The Glazers won’t be concerned about the poll….only the reasons why the results are the way they are……
You and I can disagree on what the Glazers think…..but I think any person owning a billion dollar business cares what the public thinks…..and the NFL is far more sensitive to public opinion than in the past….as goes the NFL so goes the owners.
February 14th, 2015 at 6:57 pm
Eric is a moron. If Winston was a choir boy or had the character of Mariota, combined with his on-field abilities, and people were still ‘bashing’ him, then you could claim racism. Any claim of racism outside of those hypothetical scenarios is pure idiocy. #mariotascomingtotampa
February 14th, 2015 at 6:58 pm
Speaking for Pablo
“Don’t be poking fun at my amigo Jesus (Hay-sus)”
February 14th, 2015 at 6:59 pm
If it isn’t racism where was all the concern for Sanchez and Mettenberger?
Why the accusations of rape when he has been cleared three times? Lastly by a Supreme Court Justice?
Why the remarks about his name, insinuations about lack of intelligence, the way he speaks?
If it quacks like a duck it probably is one.
Easy to see.
February 14th, 2015 at 7:00 pm
just say no to marcus mediocre
February 14th, 2015 at 7:02 pm
there is racism and misogyny aplenty here. not every negative towards winston is based on racism, but please, it is not rare.
February 14th, 2015 at 7:10 pm
Waterboy Says:
Mariota may have only lost 11 fumbles in 3 years but he fumbled the ball 27 times and threw 14 INTS. That puts him at 40, just because he got a lucky bounces on the fumbles doesn’t mean that you can’t count them. It shows that he has problems handling the ball. Winston had 13 fumbles and 28 INT’s in 2 seasons which put him at 41. Mariota also had 2 passes that should have been picked off in the game against FL State dropped by FL State defenders but obviously we can’t count those
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So you are saying Winston had more turnovers in 2 years than Mariota had in 3 years? 41 to 40
February 14th, 2015 at 7:15 pm
knuckledragger Says:
February 14th, 2015 at 4:43 pm
Mariota has lost 11 fumbles in three yrs though. Thrown 14 ints in the same three yrs. So I think he has 25 ( if my math is correct) total turnovers in a Three yr career.
Winston has fumbled 13 times but only lost 4. He threw 28 ints so he has 32 total turnovers in 2 yrs.
Just stats and we all know what Rah thinks about Stats.
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So Mariota has 25 turnovers in 3 years and Winston has 32 turnovers in 2 years… LMAO
February 14th, 2015 at 7:17 pm
@ Eric a retired supreme court justice that FSU payed. it was a code hearing. Do you think FSU would want the hunting ground to miss the playoffs? I think he still said it was 50/50 it could go either way. It’s not racist he is a rapist you keep getting it twisted
February 14th, 2015 at 7:30 pm
Any proof of that NYBucsfan? Or are you just speculating?
February 14th, 2015 at 7:38 pm
Nybucsfan Says:
February 14th, 2015 at 7:17 pm
“he is a rapist”
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Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously when you do that?
Its really sad for you and a few others to keep saying that when you know that there is no proof and the preponderance of evidence says otherwise. You are just making yourself look stupid. Presumed Innocence until proven guilty – is the law of our land – unless you have an agenda which seems obvious. Unless you personally have some new evidence in the Winston case to bring forward – STFU!!
February 14th, 2015 at 7:38 pm
@Yungrey
Winston also has more National Championships within that same 2 yr period than Mariota has in those 3 yrs 😉
February 14th, 2015 at 7:47 pm
“Not A Franchise-wrecker”
The title of the article says it all…..should’t the title be.
“He’s a Francise-Maker”
Unfortunately even with winning we will likely always be defending Winston.
February 14th, 2015 at 7:53 pm
Winston is not a rapist.
Winston is not a thief.
Winston is not vulgar.
Winston is not ignorant.
Or….it might be…..Winston is a great Buc QB but he’s not a rapist.
It is unfortunate that the investigation didn’t absolutley exonerate Winston and perhaps the accuser will later recant (some do)…..but we will likely never know the truth.
Winston should be given the doubt….but the PR problem will remain….and as much as fans want to minimize it…..it matters….maybe not enough to pass on him…but it matters….and it will likely matter to Winston the rest of his life.
February 14th, 2015 at 7:55 pm
Welcome to Tampa Jameis Winston
February 14th, 2015 at 7:56 pm
Winston looks like he is about 20lbs overweight….check out the picture on bucnation
February 14th, 2015 at 8:02 pm
DAYUMMMMM JAMEIS LAYOFF THE CRABLEGS AND BURGER KING SODA BUDDY!! http://www.bucsnation.com/2015/2/14/8039237/
February 14th, 2015 at 8:06 pm
I think the pic is bogus….we will find out at the Combine soon….
February 14th, 2015 at 8:10 pm
I had a best friend once….he got separated from his wife and I trashed her to no end……they got back together…..like I said I “had” a best friend.
The lesson here and this is somewhat why I don’t choose to be inflamatory with my comments about Winston is that those who know better and are paid to make the choice along with the Owners who have big $$$ on the line…..they may choose to go with him. And I don’t want to dig myself into a hole I can’t dig out of.
I desperately want to be able to support the choice. As a huge passionate fan, I need to be excited….not disappointed.
February 14th, 2015 at 8:14 pm
LOOKS LIKE WE FOUND OUR NEW STARTING RIGHT GAURD PEOPLE!! HE LOOKS CLOSE TO 300 POUNDS IN THAT PIC! HAHAHA #FRIDGEJAMEIS #POTBELLYJAMEIS
February 14th, 2015 at 8:14 pm
I think the pic is bogus also the combine is this week we’ll see. Puts the bucsnation writer openly admits to being an Oregon Ducks fan you can connect the dots on that.
February 14th, 2015 at 8:15 pm
Plus not Puts
February 14th, 2015 at 8:15 pm
Update: George Whitfield tells The Big Lead the picture is not fake
February 14th, 2015 at 8:16 pm
HIS OWN TRAINER JUST SAID IT WASNT A FAKE!
February 14th, 2015 at 8:18 pm
@DRAFT #5 said:
He is also injury prone. Three injuries in his time at Oregon.
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Can you tell me how many games Mariota missed due to injury?
February 14th, 2015 at 8:18 pm
Right now, a Jameis Winston pic is going viral. A picture that appears to show a really overweight Winston working on his ball skills.
The original tweet appears to have come from Barstool Sports, an account that tweets out a whole lot of nonsense. Here’s the tweet that made it go really big.
February 14th, 2015 at 8:19 pm
That what happens when he is monitored 24/7….ice cream…ice cream…ice cream…ice cream…ice cream…cream…ice cream…ice cream…cream…ice cream…ice cream…cream…ice cream…ice cream…cream…ice cream…ice cream…cream…ice cream…ice cream…cream…ice cream…ice cream…
February 14th, 2015 at 8:21 pm
@senor mofo
Good point now let’s see if he throws at the combine or sticks to that story of having an injured shoulder from the Ohio State game.
February 14th, 2015 at 8:21 pm
CRAB LEGS……ICE CREAM…….CRAB LEGS……ICE CREAM…..SHOOT AT SQURILLES…… BURGER KING SODA…….SHOUT OBSECNITIES…..ICE CREAM….GOT TO SLEEP……REPEAT.
February 14th, 2015 at 8:24 pm
26 and 1baby,not a single one of these hatin ass assholes can refute that 26 and 1. Wit chip on the side. Hate it or love it,history has been written. A yo gators and canes what up.
February 14th, 2015 at 8:24 pm
Hey Eric, I am from the south as well just what is so obvious to you what’s going on.
“Lovie is African American, from the south. He knows what’s going on here. It is obvious.”
February 14th, 2015 at 8:26 pm
The MM guys are getting madder and madder. lol. I wonder why Mariota is not throwing at the combine? Guess he’s afraid he can’t make the throws. Stop with the rape sheet. It’s old and it ain’t flying. Jameis is coming here.
February 14th, 2015 at 8:26 pm
I think the pic is bogus…..but he could be on the Shaun King diet.
He could end up like Shaun.
blubbery, chubby, corpulent, fleshy, full, gross,lardy, obese, overweight, plump, ,portly, pudgy, replete, roly-poly, rotund, round, tubby beefy, bulky, chunky, heavy, heavyset,plumpish, stocky, stout, thick, thickset, burly, hefty, husky; dumpy, squat, stubby; hippy, paunchy,potbellied; flabby, soft; ample, buxom, corn-fed
“Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 11 or fewer points.”
February 14th, 2015 at 8:29 pm
HIM AND SHAUN KING MET UP FOR A ALL YOU CAN EAT CRAB LEG FEAST, THEN WENT AND HAD A DRINK WITH A COUPLE WHITE WOMEN AFTER, THEN DID A DRIVE BY ON A SQUIRRELL NEST.
February 14th, 2015 at 8:30 pm
If the football was made of chocolate …Jameis would NEVER turn it over to the other team….
February 14th, 2015 at 8:30 pm
Joe- you and some of these guys never learn
Aqib wasted a high first round pick. Tanard a third. Jeremy Stevens wasted our time . Josh” party boy ” Freeman set us back 4 years
And you want a guy even more outta Control.
Lmao
How’d that”Manzeil will grow up” campaign work out.
Well, at least you guys are used to being wrong
February 14th, 2015 at 8:34 pm
Haha #TheCreepyCrab is fat. Red Flag 10 , I think it’s 10
February 14th, 2015 at 8:34 pm
IF JAMEIS EVER DISSAPEARS ON THE FEILD, FIRST PLACE WE CAN CHECK IS THE SNACKBAR, SECOND PLACE BURGER KING.
February 14th, 2015 at 8:36 pm
In the gut flab hanging over photo….it appears his agent has hired a full time “mentor” that has to keep Jameis on a leash……I can’t imagine Derrick Brooks is going to sign up for that…..but there are plenty of posters here that would be happy to hold Jameis’s leash….BWAhahahahahaha
February 14th, 2015 at 8:45 pm
Maybe John Daly can mentor Jameis…..
February 14th, 2015 at 8:47 pm
Don’t invite him to Logan Mankin’s BBQ party!
February 14th, 2015 at 8:47 pm
HIS MENTOR NEEDS THAT LEASH TO PULL HIM AWAY FROM THE FRIDGE AT NIGHT….BAD JAMEIS BAD! I WONDER IF THEY KEPT DONALD PENN’S PRACTICE JERSEY AND PANTS, JAMEIS MIGHT NEED TO BORROW THEM.
February 14th, 2015 at 8:53 pm
The Buc are screwed with the #1 pick….they’ll have to give up picks just to trade down now.
Mariota will not throw at the combine
and
Jameis won’t get on the scale at the combine
Jameis was so fat when he stepped on the scale it said, “To be continued.”
February 14th, 2015 at 8:53 pm
You have to admit, though, that Jameis’ footwork is pretty good. I mean, for a guy that can’t see his own feet.
February 14th, 2015 at 8:54 pm
HAHAHA THAT WAS GREAT SENOR MOFO
February 14th, 2015 at 9:01 pm
JaMarcus Winston
February 14th, 2015 at 9:04 pm
Well, at least he’s too fat to sexually assault anyone- fat F+*k would run outs breath first
But bet stealing food has went climbed way up on his priority list
February 14th, 2015 at 9:07 pm
Pressure is on now.
If Bucs aren’t stupid enough to draft him first- he’ll probably go undrafted
February 14th, 2015 at 9:08 pm
Lard and in charge
February 14th, 2015 at 9:08 pm
According to his QB guru the picture was taken in mid January…OK we’ve had great fun poking at the belly fat hanging photo….seriously what it does show is that for a 22 year old professional athelete Jameis has the body type that can put on alot of weight in no time at all…alot of weight
February 14th, 2015 at 9:20 pm
@DRAFT #5 said:
He is also injury prone. Three injuries in his time at Oregon.
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Can you tell me how many games Mariota missed due to injury?
Sure I believe it is one. Would of been more but the injury agaistOS was his last game.
I have a question for you. What is is record against good defenses not the crap the PAC 10 throws out every week. Look it up and you will see that when he faced good defences his numbers and wins are mediocore at best. I report just the facts.
February 14th, 2015 at 9:24 pm
Alleged-rapist, Squirrel-shooting, Crableg-stealing, BurgerKing-nightmare, Turnover-machine, Profanity-laced, Mentor needed and now out of shape…Lmao
February 14th, 2015 at 9:36 pm
Jameis is not a franchise wrecker. Unless that franchise is a Burger King.
February 14th, 2015 at 9:55 pm
@Eric
If it isn’t racism where was all the concern for Sanchez and Mettenberger?
Why the accusations of rape when he has been cleared three times? Lastly by a Supreme Court Justice?
Why the remarks about his name, insinuations about lack of intelligence, the way he speaks?
If it quacks like a duck it probably is one.
Easy to see.
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Absolutely ridiculous that we are even bringing up Mettenberger. Guy slapped a waitress’s butt while drunk. Disappointing but not any where near the same level of implication as rape.
February 14th, 2015 at 10:02 pm
All these idiots lumped together bashing their future QB.
Have fun! 🙂
February 14th, 2015 at 10:24 pm
wow, leave for a bit and the idiots take over!
from thebiglead:
“Jameis Winston looks … fat? Out of shape? Photos can be deceptive, but this one popped up on twitter Saturday and quickly made the rounds. Its provenance was unknown, so I checked in with QB guru George Whitfield, who is currently coaching the Florida State QB, to see if a) it was Winston, and b) if it was recent.
“The photo of Jameis was taken in early-mid January,” Whitfield said by phone. “If people are saying he looks out of shape – well, did they notice he had the leash tight around his waist? That may have had something to do with it,” he laughed. “Jameis is in shape and doing great. Anyone saying he’s out of shape, they can check him out at the Combine this week.”
February 14th, 2015 at 10:25 pm
What’s in the South?
Ever heard of slavery and Jim Crow?
February 14th, 2015 at 10:26 pm
the photo is taken down from the above link…
and you all say you don’t hate! smh
sad little people you all are. and are any going to apologize?
February 14th, 2015 at 10:27 pm
win, it’s in his name
#winninwithwinston #justwinstonbaby
just say no to marcus mediocre
February 14th, 2015 at 10:32 pm
I would love all these Mariota lovers to tell me one time a player in the same situation that Mariota had went to the NFL and became great. Please don’t say Russell Wilson as the system he was in during college was not always a read option (See Mike Glennon running the same offense after he left).Mariota has little chance to be great in the NFL and that is what this is all about isn’t it? Jameis on the other hand has been the best qb at every level he had played at so the odds of him being great is much higher. It really is as simple as that, take the better player and put talent around him to help him be great. This is really not as hard as you guys are making it. I think you all our crazy about Jameis getting into trouble but even if you are right and he is an idiot there still is less chance of Mariota being successful than Jameis getting in trouble.
February 14th, 2015 at 10:43 pm
That’s one hell of a beer belly chased with nachos&cheese
February 14th, 2015 at 10:43 pm
More fanboy drizzle.
Nothing to see here, move along.
February 14th, 2015 at 10:46 pm
Ndog, that’s just ridiculous. MM has had success which points to future success. Winston has a pattern of poor behavior. Really bad argument, stick to some facts please
February 14th, 2015 at 10:55 pm
The facts are winston has had more success and in a more NFL relatable system.Those are the facts, and if you want more details he was 3 and 0 versus SEC teams and put up 40 plus against the number 1 ranked defense in college football this year when they beat Louisville. Also Jameis had multiple comebacks in the 4th quarter of games whereas Mariota has exactly 0 of those. Lastly Oregon is a run first team whereas FSU was at times solely reliant on the pass this year. So there are your facts now what?
February 14th, 2015 at 10:57 pm
A confident QB will make throws at times that you scratching your head and other times asking yourself how in the hell he made that throw. All the bashing on INT’s must mean those same people hate Brett Favre for not only that but proven inappropriate text messages.
As for the Hunting Ground, it’ll be version 7 for her as to what happened. That might be why she isn’t very credible. She’s being used by her attorneys to increase their pocket books. One persons story has stayed consistent and one persons hasn’t. The atty was so sure he was going to win the hearing and losing it caused him to come unglued. Highly unusual that a retired Chief Justice of the Florida Supreme Court rules on one of these cases and that is why the attorney was certain of a favorable ruling. Normal proceeding have peers of the student ruling on these, so they did him no favors on that. All they had to do was find him 51% at fault, simple majority, and he couldn’t do that. Drunk college kids having sex and then regretting it the next day is so unusual.
Not saying he’s innocent or guilty, but it can’t be proven one is more believable than the other. Innocent until proven guilty escapes comprehension for a lot on here.
I bet a lot of these claiming Jameis is a cancer in the locker room are also all for signing Suh. Never has one word been said knocking him for being a bad teammate, but for some inexplicable reason, the uninformed like running with it.
So many of the comments are racially tinged, but I don’t think that’s the biggest issue here with him. Tampa Bay has a large florida following and I think this is a bigger part of the comments. So many inappropriate personal shots with no merit. Both at Winston and other posters on here. A lot of trolls.
If they draft Mariota, I’ll still keep my tickets even though I think it’s the wrong choice. I’ll pull for him to do well. Bottom line: as along as they draft a QB, and they will, Lovie buys himself another year. So you Lovie haters better brace yourselves. And the Glazers are business people first, so if you really think polls are going to drive their decision, you haven’t paid attention to the team as closely as you claim. These are the same owners who have sued their own fans. Going back to Booker Reese, this franchises record of bad choices scares me more than either QB
February 14th, 2015 at 11:09 pm
Winston would win more games than Mariota his first year in the NFL if they were started
Mariota would prove to be a better QB down the stretch.
Mike Glennon will out perform both of them in 2015
Draft Mariota – Let him sit and learn
Start Glennon…….done.
Time to start talking about the 2nd round pick
February 14th, 2015 at 11:12 pm
jAMEIS looks in Awesome Shape
http://img.s-msn.com/tenant/amp/entityid/AA9qwUG.img?h=252&w=378&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=387&y=55
February 14th, 2015 at 11:14 pm
Toooo much butter on the Crab Legs Me Thinks
February 14th, 2015 at 11:17 pm
@not the Kev
I second that, round two! I think we can all agree Perryman or Guard?
February 14th, 2015 at 11:19 pm
Yes WS 99 or DB 55………….Perryman in the second if they DON’t take a QB
Guard in the second if they do
February 14th, 2015 at 11:25 pm
Tampabaybucfan said:
“I believe the Glazers can “lead” Lovie & Licht towards a decision rather than demand it.”
I am not so sure I go along with this, but we may just be looking at these words from a different angle.
“For example….and this is very possible…..there is not a strong sense of who the pick should be…..the Glazers could let L&L know that they would be willing to give them the time to develop the QB…..”
OK, I agree with this possibility.
“Or they could throw that question up so strongly regarding Winston’s character that it can’t be answered. “Why should we trust him?” That could be a hard question to answer….”
I totally agree.
“Or…they could say “Our choice is Mariota….but you guys are the GM & HC….you make the final decision”……IF you were them, how would you like to deal with that?”
Whoa, Nellie! You now have a Snyder/Jones/Davis situation. *If* the owner(s) have a ‘preference’, you are on borrowed time if you do not agree.
Remember, Gruden disagreed with Davis and look what happened (granted, he got lucky by coming to Tampa, but it could have just as easily gone ‘south’)
February 14th, 2015 at 11:57 pm
Why would our bucs ever want Winston as the face of the team.. With all the money and women to follow ,he is sure to get into trouble.. M.M. needs to be bucs pick!
February 15th, 2015 at 12:01 am
By the way wasn’t Josh Freeman a upstanding young man who was squeaky clean coming out of college. How did that turn out? Take the best player don’t live life scared.
February 15th, 2015 at 12:07 am
http://instagram.com/p/zD9WNUFqwo/?modal=true
Fat?
Hardly.
February 15th, 2015 at 12:20 am
http://instagram.com/p/zC8NXHFq4N/?modal=true
Footwork……
February 15th, 2015 at 12:39 am
I thought I saw a picture of JaMarcus Russell, but it was Jameis Winston, or was it Jamarcus Winston? I think whoever it was looks like they are related to Shaun King
February 15th, 2015 at 12:43 am
The only franchise that Jamarcus Winston could be the face of is “Interceptions Are Us”
February 15th, 2015 at 12:46 am
If Jamarcus Winston’s next team really wants to protect him, they should hire the Tallahassee Police Dept. to play on the O-Line
February 15th, 2015 at 12:50 am
I guess Jamarcus Winston really wants to help his next team, so now he can play QB and Nose Tackle
February 15th, 2015 at 1:02 am
LOL, Yep, Winston looks like a God. Too bad it’s Buddha
February 15th, 2015 at 1:07 am
I must have misunderstood. I thought people said that Winston would BE a huge bust, not that he HAD a huge bust
February 15th, 2015 at 1:24 am
All you Jamarcus Winston groupies and FSU homers, do you really think that respectable, decent, conservative people like the Glazers would seriously consider drafting this clown even for a second? OH, PLEASE
February 15th, 2015 at 1:47 am
LOL
Jamarcus Winston!
February 15th, 2015 at 1:53 am
If I had my way, I would bypass both qbs as they are not franchise worthy IMO, but if we go that route, then I would bet on the penny stock MM (graded by NFL at $6.30). And since Blue Chip JW is already been factored in with his pro style ability grading out to $6.50, I think he already topped out by now. MM could ultimately surpass him and possibly turn out to have a higher ceiling (due to the X factor = the Unknown Pro Style capability) and be the REAL DEAL QB of the Future. I will be even more happier if we can make our D (ranked #25 this season) a little bit Nastier by picking up “Big Cat” Leonard Williams (graded by NFL at $7.40 already = Pro Bowl Caliber Player) instead.
1. Leonard Williams, Southern California: He can play anywhere across the defensive line and in any scheme but is going to be looked at as a 3-technique. I watched his Stanford game, and see him as potentially the best player in the draft. In three seasons he made 57 plays behind the line of scrimmage.
-Pat Kirwan
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
9 of 1st 10 SB Champs (including 1st 4) had defenses ranked top 4 in regular season
Of the 49 SB winners, 30 had top 5 defenses.
Of the 49 SB winners, 22 had top 5 offenses.
Only the 1977 Cowboys were SB Champs leading NFL in total offense and defense in regular season.
Since 2000, only 6 of 15 teams not ranked top 5 in defense or offense got hot and won it all.
Offensive oriented teams. 11 SB Champs
Defensive oriented teams. 19 SB Champs
Strong offense and defense. 11 SB Champs
DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
February 15th, 2015 at 1:56 am
Let it be KNOWN.
Im Not a Winston or Mariota guy
February 15th, 2015 at 4:09 am
Seriously, both of these guys will be good NFL QBs.
Winston has very obvious issues, but he doesn’t strike me as a total psycho head-case d-bag like Ryan Leaf or anything. If he pulls his act together, Winston will be very good, maybe elite.
But throw all of the character concerns and off-the-field issues out the window, and I would still draft Mariota.
Mariota’s accuracy, ball placement, delivery, release, escapability, running ability, poise, and leadership are close to elite. In other words, all the things you look for in a QB, but can’t coach, Mariota already has.
Jameis is smart as hell. He also has better arm strength than Mariota, and better footwork for the pro game, at least right now. He’s clutch, and he makes anticipation throws like a seasoned vet. And even though we’ve all joked about it here, his thickness might make him more durable.
They are both elite in certain areas of their game. Neither one is a lead-pipe cinch to be an elite NFL QB. But both are better prospects than we’ve ever drafted before, so one of these guys will be our QB.
Being the comment trolls that we are, we tend to frame the argument as though it’s a question of which one will prove to be better in the NFL. But that isn’t what the owners of a billion-dollar business are thinking.
When Jim Irsay asked Bill Polian about the upside and downside of Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf prior to the 1998 draft, this is what Polian said:
“I can’t tell you if either of these guys is going to win a Super Bowl or become a Hall of Famer. We are just trying to find a quarterback that we can win with. But I’ll tell you this: If we bust out with Leaf, we have busted out everything. If he busts out, we’ve lost. If we are wrong on Peyton Manning, the worst we have is Bernie Kosar — a really good, winning quarterback.”
And I think this what the Glazers are facing. If you bust out with Winston, it’s a huge, crippling bust. But with Mariota’s skill set and character, the worst thing you have is a much more polished, accurate passer than Colin Kaepernick, with all of the same athletic ability. And if Kaepernick had Mariota’s passing skills, he would be a force.
Add it all up. As much as I like Jameis on the field, I just don’t think the Glazers are going to put this franchise on his shoulders.
February 15th, 2015 at 7:33 am
Byron De La Beckwith would be proud of you guys.
February 15th, 2015 at 8:32 am
When it comes to that picture, some of you are so simple minded… Have you seen the dozen of other pictures while he’s been out in San Diego working out for the past 3 weeks.. The kids in top shape and has been since the day he stepped on the field at FSU. He’s been a gym right from day one. If you’re going to argue against Jamies then at least try and be educated about it… This site is exactly for that, debating. Once you start throwing out stupid comments no one takes you serious anymore and that goes for both sides of the arguement. The 1st pick is a gamble no matter what. they can bust, get hurt, or just not quite live up to the #1 billing. That goes for Winston, Mariota, L. Williams or who ever they decide to take. Look at last year, if we had the #1 pick we probable would have taken Clowney….The kid was hurt most the year and the few seconds he got on the field he was irrelevant.
Rooting for Jamies, but will be happy with who ever they take with the first pick because no matter who they draft the team will be better for it.
GO BUCS
February 15th, 2015 at 8:51 am
So all the MGM Winston haters… when you throw around Winston’s INT’s in college did you even once glance at Glennon’s stats??
Like i’ve said before, just be consistant
Glennon 2 seasons plus some fill in time as a fesh and soph
com:646 att:1069 com%:60.4 yd:7411 yd/a:6.9 TD:63 INT:31 RAT:132.3
Winston 2 seasons
com:562 att:851 com%:66.0 yd:7964 yd/a:9.4 TD:65 INT:28 RAT:163.3
February 15th, 2015 at 9:05 am
@Pat
Great post, its just like every sport. Off looks great and rule the roost during the regular season, but once you get into the playoffs Def is almost always the deciding factor in the outcome of the games.
There are some quality DL(way better than M.Johnson) that will be hitting FA in a couple of weeks.. Bucs need to be very agressive.
Hardy
JPP
Orakpo
February 15th, 2015 at 9:33 am
theres some really stupid people here……
Hawk Says:
February 14th, 2015 at 3:11 pm
And if the sexual assault was the ONLY thing in Winston’s (recent) past I’d give him a ‘pass’.
as if stealing crabs equals to sexual assault and most people with common sense agreed that it was the first time and that someone put the crabs out for him to take, I have friend who used to slip me extra burgers back in the day, its something young people take risks and do for friends not older people.
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The Buc Realist Says:
February 14th, 2015 at 3:17 pm
Freeman’s greatest record is still destroying 2 franchises in 1 year! No one else has gotten 2 coaches fired in the same league year!
what does freeman have to do with Winston other than the color of their skin? and besides if your going to say freeman wrecked the Vikings by playing ONE game then your really just stupid because all of the quarterbacks on their roster were garbage so why do you think they went out and signed the guy and played him with less than a week of practice?
Winston is coming to tampa and for all of you who don’t like it well no one in the world cares if your a fan of the bucs except you so stop your crying because you’ll shut up and roll with it end the end and show how much of a hater you are by rooting for the guy to fail when we draft him while at the same time trying to say your not rooting for the bucs to fail just him
February 15th, 2015 at 10:45 am
When look at these 2 quarterbacks strengths. It always comes back to pocket pressure and how will each handle it. Winston has a tendency to force the ball which leads to higher interception rate. Mariota moves around the pocket creates time and forces defenses to cover longer.
February 15th, 2015 at 10:55 am
People can frown on the “Winston Haters” all they want, but the truth is, as Mayock and Billick said, it’s his own resposibility and he’s brought it all on himself.
That being said, no matter who Winston ends up playing for, hopefully he pulls his head out of his a$$ and realizes how very fortunate he is to be in the position that he is now in due to the things that he has done and his bad behavior, and is very thankful for that. Then and only then will he grow up and mature and change his pattern of bad behavior and his life
February 15th, 2015 at 11:19 am
@Patrick
Like how you use the phrase “bad behavior” like he’s a menace to society.. as if its so rare in a 19/20 year old to make some dumb choices in life. I guess you’re a saint in waiting. How do you know he isn’t already thankful for what he has in front of him? He said a cuss word last September and you haven’t heard a word from the kid since. The vitriol you and some other posters have for this kid is ridiculous. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a group of people root so hard to see a young man fail on the football field and in life.
February 15th, 2015 at 11:27 am
bucs4lyfe Said:
“theres some really stupid people here……”
You are so quick to make a point, that you ignore ‘context and content’, and make yourself the proof of your own point.
Slow down. Take a deep breath. Read the ENTIRE post(s). Between the 2,000 Buccaneer fools, posting here, we WILL right this ship.
Whoops! Did I say “fools” out loud? I meant to type ‘fans’. ;^)
February 15th, 2015 at 11:45 am
For all that believe Glennon is some how the starter next year you may want rethink that. He has not shown in two years of play to be the #1 guy. He is good enough to get you beat and that is the truth. Not a bad backup but thats it. Also if he was so good how did he not beat out McCown last year. He was horrible and Glennon still could not beat him out.
The same people thinking Winston will be a bust are those same people who wanted Tebow to be drafed by the Bucs and he was going to be great NFL QB. How did that work out.
The College and Pro games are totally different. The spread will not work in the NFL thus MM will struggle. The game is much faster so he will not only have to adjust to being under center, changing his game, no run first option and going thru progressions but also the rise in talent level. People sure think this will be no problem for MM. I see red flags all over tthe place. Facts are the facts.
February 15th, 2015 at 11:49 am
Sadly, racism does exist. However, in regards to Winston’s rape allegation, we can’t accuse the TPD, FSU or the District Attorney of such a claim.
NO MEANS NO Says:
February 15th, 2015 at 12:46 am
If Jamarcus Winston’s next team really wants to protect him, they should hire the Tallahassee Police Dept. to play on the O-Line
-Brilliant!
February 15th, 2015 at 11:51 am
I dont know what all the racists are mad about.
Having Jameis might help your membership drive.
February 15th, 2015 at 11:57 am
@ Josh P
Isn’t it amazing how Winston has turned all of his supporters into defense attornies? Just like he did Jimbo
February 15th, 2015 at 12:15 pm
Chirp chirp.
Eric isn’t it amazing how Mr Patrick has turned into a prosecutor?
February 15th, 2015 at 12:30 pm
@Patrick Since you have so much inside information on the case why don’t you share it with the rest of us…. but i didn’t see your name mentioned in the police report as being on site when the incident took place so i doubt you know anything about what actually took place.. then again you are Saint Patrick so we should just take your word for it..
February 15th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
Those who prefer Winston don’t have a problem when you express objective and tangible comments. And there are some. As there are some with Mariota.
It’s when you start the petty and irrational comments for which there is no real basis that someone shows their lack of objectivity and lack of being able to see both sides of a story. Does this mean that the person is an idiot? Based on how people like to judge on here with no true knowledge of the situation, probably.
February 15th, 2015 at 12:37 pm
I remember when Doug came to the bucs and all the vicious remarks about him.
Black folks didnt have the brains to play QB
N word this. N word that.
It was disgusting.
The attacks on Jaboo are just another reiteration. Not as direct. Code words. More hidden.
But clearly present.
February 15th, 2015 at 12:54 pm
Mr. Patrick, you are 1000% correct. It is totally amazing how none of these Jamarcus Winston suck ups have any smarts or common sense. It says a lot. You know what they say, birds of a feather…
February 15th, 2015 at 1:00 pm
@ MarshallU
Thanks, but just remember that everyboby has a right to their own opinion, even if it’s totally wrong, lol
February 15th, 2015 at 2:47 pm
In the end Winston will be a Buccaneer and you will all be impressed or you can just go away.
February 15th, 2015 at 3:28 pm
“That depends on what you call “off-field”…..I would say all of them had off-field issues in my book…….
For example….Freeman missing a team photo is an off-field issue.”
yah, but , what, exactly, was said about his character BEFORE the draft ? I don’t recall hearing anything bad about his character at that point, if you did, serve them up, please.
February 15th, 2015 at 11:33 pm
@Eric I know, I;m beginning to see the racism towards Hawaiians in your posts. I think if your hatred for Hawaiians were set aside, you’d be able to see what I see…
That Marriota is clearly the best choice…
…I mean, this organization finally seems willing to deal with it’s anti-Samoanism – why can’t you?
It’s not like any group has ever suffered while their QB was being ridiculed as “The Throwin’ Samoan…” …until your ethnic favorites are used the same way…you can’t corner the ethnic lottery for “hate”.
P.S. I see your code words and raise you YOUR racism.
February 16th, 2015 at 10:56 am
jp4 Says:
February 14th, 2015 at 4:29 pm
Both Mettenberger and Sanchez were accused of assault, not rape…
What is the difference?
February 17th, 2015 at 9:43 pm
You can look up the difference between sexual assault and rape online.
Assault does not involve penetration of a bodily orifice, it’s any unwelcome contact with someone else’s body. Rape is considered a more serious charge than simple sexual assault.