Jameis Watch: “Very Few Cons”

January 7th, 2015

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Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion James Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.

It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.

The rave reviews keep rolling in for the best pro-style quarterback prospect in the 2015 NFL draft. That would be Jameis Winston, and the Bucs control their own destiny with the first pick in the draft, i.e. the Chase for Jameis.

Even Todd McShay, football analyst for ESPN, has jumped on board lauding Winston’s passing skills and football acumen, documents Pat Yasinskas.

“With Winston, there’s very few cons when you talk about things between the lines,’’ McShay said. “Even in game preparation, inside the facility, all those type of things, he’s a very smart individual. He picks up football concepts very quickly. He knows how to go through progression reads. He’s comfortable in the pocket, can manipulate the pocket, he feels pressure coming. He’s not the quickest quarterback. But he’s mobile enough and strong enough to extend plays with his feet. He anticipates throws as well as any quarterback in the last couple of drafts.

“There are lots of guys that can go down to a field or go to the beach and throw 100 times and hit someone in the chest 100 times. But one of the hard parts about playing that position is when pressure is coming and or when the receiver is not where he’s going to be when he gets to that spot – can you make accurate throws? I consistently on tape see Jameis Winston with pressure in his face or when having to anticipate a throw and lead a receiver to a spot, make it accurately.’’

Jameis is the key to a bright future. Jameis can lead the Bucs out of the darkness of the Father Dungy mentality that still stains this franchise. By his force of will, Jameis will give reason for Bucs fans to be both proud, and entertained.

The choice is as clear as a bottle of Stoli.

161 Responses to “Jameis Watch: “Very Few Cons””

  1. JoeJoes Fungi Nails Says:

    Cons….nice pun

  2. biff barker Says:

    I’ll take the bottle of Stoli….. an excellent means to endure Dungy Lite.

  3. beeric Says:

    Lol @ Joe and his mind control. Either QB will do wonders for the franchise.

  4. BoJim Says:

    Alright. Jameis is the man. I’m on the bandwagon.

  5. buddhaboy Says:

    Well said about Dungy staining the franchise. If we dont move beyond the glory defensive days, we will forever be boring and non offensive.

    This team needs a new identity. Unfortunately, until they get rid of Lovie, the stain of Dungy will only become darker.

  6. lightningbuc Says:

    I guess the fact that McShay has Winston going #2 to the Titans in his mock draft was omitted from Joe’s article.

  7. Nick2 Says:

    Sold! A shot of Jameis Winston for the house!!! That would be the Ray Jay House! Hold the Stoli. Jameis or bust!

  8. Cascade Says:

    Multiple rape allegations… Yeah, that’s the guy we want. It’s one thing to imagine that one woman would lie about being raped. It’s possible that it’s a false allegation. But when there’s a second one, it’s highly improbable that they’re both lying about separate incidents. To not be highly suspicious of this guy is misogynistic at best. But it seems football fans have a strong stomach for mistreatment of women. The guy might be a SERIAL RAPIST… and you just can’t employ those people. Sorry, pass…

  9. Tye Says:

    Starting to wander if their is some sort of fatal attraction thing going on here… Spent much of last season on articles about a future Browns QB and now this could turn out much of the same way…

    I guess it has become about – all things Bucs/Jameis Winston… And it appears that JW is taking over what once was a site I prefer of others but now, not so much…. Soon it may just be all thing Jameis Winston…. Reminds me of when a young man first falls in love with someone and can’t shut up about her… That is the vibe I get with these prevent articles…

  10. Eric Says:

    I agree except I would never say that about Dungy.

  11. Supersam Says:

    Not many cons?? Really? How bout the biggest con of all, his off the field immature decisions! This website is 90/10 Winston over Matiota articles. Joe must be in bed with Winstons agent. It’s pathetic

  12. Tye Says:

    *Recent articles… This auto correct mess is junk!

  13. Joseph Mamma Says:

    Winston’s accuser is suing the University. Yeah that’s the QB we want.

  14. port richey george Says:

    joey Galloway on first take espn2 tv today.
    said the difference between jameis and mariota is not even close. jameis is fiery intense a winner. skip bayless and steven a. smith agreed with everything Galloway said. all 3 agreed that mariota is no 1st overall draft pick.

  15. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    Jimbo’s statement:

    “I would like to wish Jameis nothing but success at the next level as I think he’ll be extremely successful. It was a blessing to be able to coach him. He’s one of the unique players that I’ve ever had the privilege to coach. He embodies what you as a coach want as a person, a student and a player. He’s a genuine and honest guy. He’s one of the greatest players in Florida State history.

    “I want to thank him for the way he represented himself and the organization in so many tough situations and the professionalism in which he handled the ability to be such a great teammate to his teammates and always put them and the program above himself. That’s a very unique ability to be able to do especially at his age.

    “I’d like to thank his family. They’re great people and it was a blessing that they came into our lives. I have nothing but respect for everything Jameis stands for, what he is and what he will do in the future. He’s truly one of the most special guys that I’ve had the privilege to be able to coach and I can’t thank him enough for the contributions to our family at Florida State.”

  16. Cascade Says:

    If Mariota is not good enough to be picked #1, then a trade down is a must.

  17. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    I’m not a Jameis apologist. But before you post that he’s been accused of a second rape you need to document that with a link or attribution.

    I’ve heard nothing about that. There is enough wrongdoing by Jameis that we don’t have to pile on with anything that’s made up. The autograph crap made me feel badly.

    There is one thing I can NEVER forgive Bill Clinton for. Forget politics or party or transgression now. But when he looked into the camera and bluntly said, “I did not have sex with that woman” he lost me forever. He could have not told the truth and tried to tough it out…but don’t look me in the eye and lie straightfaced.

    To Jameis I would say you moron you got in major trouble for at minimum horrible judgement in picking up a strange girl…doing her…and having two friends record it. But I’ve made some stupid mistakes as well.

    But don’t stand up in a student union and tell people like me…F you I’m Famous Jameis and I can do and say whatever the hell I please. To actually use horrid language, making fun of an investigation you are trying to put behind you means Jameis has no concerns for what anybody thinks about him….and while that might seem OK…that also sheds a horrible light on his team and coach.

  18. Buctebow Says:

    I’m not convinced on Winston’s ability to not get in trouble and thus harm the team and not sure Mariota is NFL “franchise QB” quality, but am leaning his way anyway. I am convinced we should trade Melman, so the Glennon MOB will shut up. I’m tired of hearing about him. He is a back up and will always be a back up.

  19. Robert 9 Says:

    too much baggage.

    you can’t fix stupid.

  20. Buctebow Says:

    Well, whatever I want the Bucs will do something else, so welcome to the Bucs Jameis. Sell some season tickets and jerseys (and autographs!).

  21. SSG Mike Says:

    And once again, no one is saying he isn’t the MOST gifted “Pro-Style” QB in the draft. What we are SAYING is that none of it matters if he can’t stay on the field due to trouble off the field. If it was on lousy allegation and not a BS investigation that wreaks of corruption and payoff by the alumni association or somebody then I would have no problem. He has had multiple allegations of stupid crap. When there is that much SMOKE there is going to be FIRE. I am actually disappointed in the young man. If he had just smoked a couple of joints like Sapp did allegedly at the U then I would chalk it up to a kid experimenting but the layers of stupid crap topped off with an alleged rape/sexual assault. As a Sexual Harassment/ Sexual Assault prevention leader in the Army, I have been through extensive training and it always ends up that with alleged offenders and convicted offenders it was not there first time. Only associating a botched or screwed up investigation with his alleged offense. Too much of a risk for this longtime(1977) long suffering Bucs fan. This is too important. While Mariota or any number of other draft prospects may not be as ready they certainly are in the character issues category. I’m ok with the Bucs drafting Winston and I hope he will be our true franchise QB for a longtime but I will be the first one to tell you “I told you SO!”. Bring on the Draft, Bring on Mariota!!

  22. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Duh? What did you expect Jimbo to say? Jimbo has been a HUGE beneficiary of this entire Jameis mess. Yeah it made for a tough year but because he stood behind Jameis no matter WHAT Jameis did the young AA athletes now love Jimbo.

    I have a great deal of respect for Jimbo. I think he tries to do things the right way. But we all have conflicts of interest. Jimbo just added another two million to his salary thanks in large part to Jameis. And Jimbo is assembling an all time great recruiting class helped in part by Jimbo’s handling of the Jameis affair.

    I have no problem with any of that by the way. GO NOLES! I hope to see you guys next year in the final four once again and I’ll be surprised if I don’t. You guys are not going to rebuild next year, simply reload. Jimbo is a great recruiter. I used to put Saban as the very best but I now gotta say that Urban has rejoined the elite after the talent he’s collected at OSU.

    I don’t know which order but my three top college recruiters are Saban, Jimbo, and Urban. All three are incredible recruiters.

  23. Robert 9 Says:

    just another criminal disquised as an athlete.

    it always catches up to them.

  24. cmurda Says:

    I can’t get past his off the field problems and decision making. I’m really not in love with either one. Unless Mariota wows in the Title game and/or the combine really pumps one of them up, I want a solid trade down deal.

  25. Cascade Says:


    “The suit — a copy of which was obtained by the Tampa Bay Times — also alleges that a second woman ‘reported being raped by Winston’ to a victim’s advocate. ‘The advocate asked if Plaintiff would cooperate with and participate in disciplinary proceedings against Winston,’ the suit said. ‘Plaintiff stated that she absolutely would do so.'”

  26. Cascade Says:

    The only thing I trust from a guy named Jimbo is to make some tasty BBQ.

  27. BONZY424 Says:

    great article joe, lets draft him!!! 4 more years of interceptions yeah buddy!!!!

  28. Greg Says:

    Also mcshays mock draft was from December. He just recently said winston was the better NFL prospect yesterday. That’s why he’s not #1 n the mock draft

  29. Danati74 Says:

    I’m a FSU fan,..so I would love to have Winston. Imagine what it would do for the fan base. To bring fans back into the stadium. Ignite the fan base again because the last couple of seasons have been ugly. In fact I didn’t watch a full game all season long. That is sad. I don’t mind Lovie as coach, but he doesn’t excite me either. I hate listening to his press conference, just as I did the 2 coaches before him. He did however get the defense going again late in the season. With a good OC now to have Winston starting and throwing to the Dunkaneers will loved to be seen. I think he could be the perfect QB to run our franchise as long as the off the field issues don’t continue.

  30. mjmoody Says:

    I wonder if these are some of the things that were being said in Oakland about Jamarcus Russell before he was drafted? Another QB w/ Jimbo’s fingerprints all over him.

  31. Barry Says:

    Rape allegations = stay away Tampa Bay

  32. Cascade Says:

    Do all FSU fans fool themselves into believing that Jameis isn’t a rapist? Or do they just not care?

  33. rayjay1122 Says:

    All of the debates so far on Winston VS Mariotta are entertaining even though a little pointless right now. I think who becomes the new OC will need to be determined before any real educated guessing can go into the “who to draft” debate.

  34. LJ'sDaddy Says:

    Jameis is junk. Mariota is mediocre.

  35. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Winston needs to work on his mechanics, pocket presence, and footwork. He is good, but with work he could be great.

  36. SAMCRO Says:

    Jameis Winston’s accuser files federal lawsuit against FSU ….what?

    Say it ain’t so?

    What if she wins this lawsuit by jury trial and proves that FSU intentionally hindered the investigation to protect Winston.

    Would that not be a HUGE red flag? Now, I wonder when they go to trial?

    Never mind, knowing our judicial system it’ll probably be after the draft.

  37. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    An honest question. I get all these Jameis posts. He’s a state school product, lots of local fans, and he’s a lightning rod good for lots of pub.

    I do not blame you for all the Jameis watch posts. Even if you believe there’s not a snowball’s chance in hell the Glazers would ever sign off on “Famous”.

    You’re simply responding to interest and so I get that.

    But answer a single question as honestly as possible.

    Do you honestly believe in today’s NFL, (Rice/Peterson/Hardy et al) with the Bucs recent past of a “franchise QB” who blew up over mental issues, that there is a snowball’s chance in hell of the Glazers actually signing off on a Jameis Winston selection.

    I just can’t even imagine such a thing. This question is not about the merits of the selection but rather the probability or given JFro and the Bucs recent history with Mike Williams, Aquib the taxicab heavyweight champ, Kellen Winslow that the Glazers would EVER risk the top pick in the draft on someone with “Famous” credentials off the field? Being serious not snarky Joe. I just think there is any way the Glazers allow the Bucs to pick Famous Jameis as the new “Face of their franchise”.

  38. BB Says:

    I guess joe supports rape theft and stupidity he can’t stop promoting it

  39. Terry4505 Says:

    If the daily nugget of Jameis has accomplished one thing, it has forced me to look to other Bucs sites for updates.

    I don’t care if Winston is the better NFL prospect (something I do not believe). After last year’s daily Johnny Football crap (how’s that little love affair looking now?) I cannot take the Joes seriously when it comes to this stuff.

  40. lightningbuc Says:


    You’re asking a question of the 2010 Joe(s), back when this was a site about actual Bucs news. Something has changed with them, and now the 2013-2015 Joe(s) admittedly write only about things they “believe” in, foregoing giving their readers in depth Bucs coverage. I thought the Manziel drivel was a one-time thing, but unfortunately not the case.

  41. Gooberville Says:

    Another rape victim and Joe still supporting this guy. I guess his tune would change if he knew the victims.

  42. matt Says:

    Winston is the man! Good article Joe! Apparently innocent till proven guilty means nothing to these people!

  43. Cascade Says:

    Would Joe want his daughter dating Winston?

  44. ChessMaster Says:

    “A good player is always lucky.” – Capablanca

  45. Cascade Says:

    In the eyes of the justice system, he’s innocent until proved otherwise. However, if you’re the GM, are you willing to bury your head in the sand feeling assured this guy isn’t a rapist. It has to be considered.

  46. RCH Says:

    Blake Bortles is the best QB in the state of Florida to ever wear the number five.

  47. Nybucsfan Says:

    If the FSU thing doesn’t get settled he has a 0% of being drafted 1. Now two women I guess the are both lied

  48. Buc1987 Says:

    After the NFL combine when Jameis blows Mariota’s doors off, we will know who our QB is going to be.

  49. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Do you get that moniker from being a Lightning fan. Great isn’t it. There couldn’t be two franchise that are more opposite than the Lightning and Bucs.

    Starts with ownership. Vinik is easily the best owner this market has ever seen. And he actually moved her after buying the Lightning and committed to joining us all and live here. He is trying to make a difference in our community.

    He has the best GM in the NHL in HOFamers Steve Yzerman. No disrespect to Licht who may yet be a good GM if he can get out from under Lovie’s shadow, but Licht is far from Yzerman and the relationship is totally skewed. Licht is a figurehead with Lovie actually retaining the power. This is not the case with the Lightning. The GM is the GM and the coach is the coach.

    Speaking of coaches….Lovie is not in Jon Cooper’s class. Cooper is one of the best coaches we’ve had in Tampa right up there with Joe Maddon. Cooper will eventually bring us the Cup and sooner not later.

    And then of course there is the talent. The lightning just walloped the other first place team in the NHL on the Candadiens home ice. This is akin to the Bucs being in contention and going on the road and crushing Seattle or New England.

    Whenver the Bucs depress I go to the Lightning to revive my spirits. 🙂

    I would give anything if the Glazers could somehow sell the Bucs to Vinik. We’d be Super Bowl contenders every year in short order.

  50. Just Jeff Says:

    Cascade – you keep mentioning that he is a rapist yet he has never had any charges not been arrested? Do some reading on the actual court cases and do some thinking on your own instead of what the media feeds you.

  51. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    However, if you’re the GM, are you willing to bury your head in the sand feeling assured this guy isn’t a rapist. It has to be considered.

    Indeed! And whether it’s fair or not, even if Jameis is clean as the the proverbial whistle it doesn’t matter! Perception is reality. And in this case there is no guarantee that the headlines don’t keep on coming…even if Jameis never makes another false step.

    Alas the poor young man has planted enough bad seeds…pun intended…that the lawsuits alone will be bad publicity. But don’t feel sorry for Jameis. He’s still be a a multimillioinaire with if I can steal from Dire Straits…money for nothing and his chicks for free.

  52. Tom Edrington Says:

    Cons? The main task is to keep him from becoming one.

  53. Cascade Says:

    ^^ I’m just saying that 2 allegations make it much more suspicious, and unless you feel totally confident the guy did not do the things he’s accused of, you should probably be very cautious if you’re the GM. Let’s not be naive either – most rape allegations have at least some truth to them. No woman wants to go through the hell of making the accusation if it’s not true. At the very least, it’s a good bet that he doesn’t treat women very well.

  54. JTHV Says:

    I’m convinced that most of the Jameis Hate here comes from piece of sh*t Gator fans. How’s that program going ladies? 14 L’s in 3 years? No recruiting class to speak of? An accused Rapist at QB? Yep.

  55. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Choice A: NFL-ready QB, Off-field questions
    Choice B: Great NFL Prospect: Needs some developing: No Off-field Issues

    Choice A: Joe, Todd McShay, Joey Galloway, Shaun King, 25%JBF readers
    Choice B: 50% JBF Readers, Glazers

    Winner: Choice B

  56. Just Jeff Says:

    I can agree with you that he has a lot of growing up to do but to simply repeat a crime that someone hasn’t been charged with much less arrested for is a little ridiculous. It will be interesting to see what comes of the 2nd allegations, especially since the girl changed her story multiple times.

  57. Senor Mofo Says:

    The Stoli comparison is apt. People who drink premium vodka are suckers, since vodka is by definition a neutral spirit with no distinctive character, aroma, taste, or color. In blind taste tests, almost no one can tell the difference between a premium vodka and Smirnoff Silver. In fact, Smirnoff Silver almost always wins such tests.

    People who would draft Winston instead of Mariota are exactly the kind of suckers who pay a premium price for “premium” vodka. Worse, they are probably the same buffoons who mix said premium vodka with soda, tonic, or juice.

  58. Buc1987 Says:

    People still call Big Ben….Rapistburger.

    That’s the only thing that bothers me about Winston. Even if he’s innocent of it all. I don’t want to have to deal with opposing teams fans nicknaming our QB some rapist type name. It will happen.

    I still want the Bucs to take him ANYWAYS!

  59. David Says:

    Well we know full well that FSU doesn’t care about women. We will soon find out if the Bucs do or not…

    Women > Winning.

  60. Mike10 Says:

    This is funny – now we’re saying very few cons when a month ago most teams deemed Winston “undraftable”. We will be hearing the same thing about Lovie and the Bucs staff as we get further and further from the season; and we will actually believe the “we’re not that far away [from being good]” or the “we only played maybe 2 teams that were actually better”.

  61. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    The comments from this article prove the point…..do you want the face of your francise to have a caption under him “Innocent until proven guilty”?

    This controversy will probably never ever go away!!!

  62. meatloph Says:

    OK here’s the thing everyone keeps forgetting when they say that Joe has a conspiracy going on with Winston…. This particular site is an OPINION COLUMN! Everybody just calm down and breathe.

  63. CC Says:

    I just read an online that Cascade raped a goat in Dade City. Must be true. He’s a rapist.

  64. Dirk Disco Says:

    Winston is the greatest QB prospect since Andrew Luck. We HAVE to draft him at #1.

  65. lightningbuc Says:


    Yep, love the Bolts. I tell people if you’re going to spend $$ on sports, do it with the Lightning. Better product, better experience. Vinik is a dream owner – I wish he could buy the Bucs and the Rays. They are playing well, but as we saw last year, have to keep Bishop healthy to have a chance.

  66. bucbucbuc Says:

    Joe – I love the Winston articles although I’m in Mariota’s camp. As a Bucs fan, you want to hear everything you can about these two leading up to the draft. However, it’s extremely rare that you ever post about Mariota. I don’t mind the Winston love, but let’s also spend time discussing the guy that everyone assumes is the number one pick.

  67. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Senior MOFO

    Don’t know about your football IQ but you are clearly wrong about Vodka.

    I’m the antithesis of a wine/coffee or whatever snob. I always insist on blind taste tests before I accept the CW.

    My wife and her best college girlfriend along with that girlfriends mom did EXACTLY as you have suggested. We got a bottle of Grey Goose, Beleveder, Ketel One..Stoli..Finlandia and Absolut.

    The four of us wrote our selected numbers on an index card without knowing which Vodka we had rated or what the other person selected.

    We were actually pretty surprised. None of us could tell the difference between Gray Goose and Belevedere but all four us clearly identified the Gray Goose and Belevedere over the rest of the brands. Ketel One stood out in the test as coming behind the top two. The bottom three were all lumped together.

    We could clearly tell the difference in quality between “good” Vodka and cheap Vodka. If I’m drinking a Vodka on the rocks I’ll go with the top two brands…otherwise Ketel is fine and honestly if I mixing with cranberry or grapefruit or both I really don’t care which brand is mixed in because the fruit juice hides the taste anyway.

    Our experience was the cheaper the Vodka the greater the bite and nasty aftertaste. Belevedere and Grey Goose? As Jackie Gleason used to say….smoooottthhh!

  68. Jonny 2.3 Says:

    [I]”Jameis is the key to a bright future. Jameis can lead the Bucs out of the darkness of the Father Dungy mentality that still stains this franchise. By his force of will, Jameis will give reason for Bucs fans to be both proud, and entertained.”[/I]

    Amen Joe. Also avoid the QB professed by Father Dungy as the next Aaron Rodgers.

  69. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Yes, he knows progressions. He just goes through them agonizingly slowly and holds onto the ball too long.

    I can name a bunch of cons to Winston, and none of them related to off the field issues.

    McShay is blind. Which is why he gets things so wrong every year.

  70. BucDaddy Says:


  71. jacko101 Says:

    I love this Site, but JOE you are killing me with how Biased you are. Of all people YOU should know that what the Bucs do with that pick is extremely important. Even if Winston is the better potential pro is it worth the gamble and risk? Mariota is a sure fire pick with plenty of potential. He is a proven leader and a winner just like Winston without the baggage. I’m starting to think you want Winston like you did Johnny football so you can have more to write about (negative things).

  72. QB4BUCS Says:

    There is a better chance of Vinny being QB here again than the Bucs drafting Mariotta. He is a system QB that doesnt know how to take a snap, three step drop, read a defense at the LOS and change a play and throw the ball down field. Look at the YAC numbers he receivers have. Against FSU had 350ish yards and oveer 270 of them were after the catch. That does not scream NFL QB.

    He will fall like Rodgers on draft day. Winston will go #1 whether its the Bucs or someone else. For those calling him a rapist, read the police report and see how the accuser is now on her 4th version of that night. Winston is immature and that can be fixed.

  73. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Your thorough review and comparison of Jameis versus Marcus was excellent.

    Perhaps you need to cut and repaste it on this thread.

    i also saw a link somebody supplied that showed the statistical differences between jameis and Marcus. That really opened my eyes. Jameis lovers are largely simply homers.

  74. Eric Says:

    So now this girl is saying while she was receiving counseling a counselor told her another girl said Jameis raped her back in 2012.

    Amazing they didn’t use that at this last hearing. Or tell the cops about it. Or say it before while they were mouthing off to the press. Even more amazing that a professional counselor would breach confidentiality and tell this girl what another patient said.

    And of course no other girl has come forward.

    This girl is pathological.

  75. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    So if I call the Oregon police tomorrow and say that Mariota raped me (even though I’ve never been to the state) then would that be a reason for Mariota’s draft stock to drop? Because my allegation would have the exact same amount of merit as this lying cleat chasers.

    All she’s doing is looking for a paycheck. That’s what she’s been doing since day one and this Title IX lawsuit is just a last gasp effort and trying to find someone, anyone, who will give her a small shred of a reason to file a civil suit against Jameis the day after he signs his contract.

  76. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    And so QB4 you know lots more than Jim Mora?

  77. Harry Says:


  78. David Says:

    This doesn’t happen to anyone else…does it?
    How often does a college woman just make up a rape claim because a star QB is going to be drafted in the NFL? It never happens!

    And it’s not the only thing he’s been accused of. There is the shop-lifting, the NCAA scandals, standing on the table insulting women…. this guy is a going to be a massive headache off the field. I don’t care if he has the talent to be the next Payton Manning, I don’t want his character on a team I’m rooting for. Period!

    And he was never acquitted in that rape case…it’s just that the FSU alumni prosecutor didn’t press charges. Put this in front of a grand jury and let’s see if enough evidence exists for a trial. Then I would be happy if a grand jury decides not to indict.

  79. Brandon Says:

    mjmoody Says:
    January 7th, 2015 at 5:41 pm
    I wonder if these are some of the things that were being said in Oakland about Jamarcus Russell before he was drafted? Another QB w/ Jimbo’s fingerprints all over him.

    Anybody bringing up JaMarcus Russell to compare to Winston is showing how incredibly dumb they are.

    Winston started as a redshirt freshman, took the bull by the horns, won a National Championship and the Heisman. He took a 26 game win streak into his final collegiate game. Winston has been shown on the sideline in fiery conversations with his head coach. He’s passionate about the game. He’s a very good baseball player for the Seminoles, keep in mind, he’s been as good as he’s been at QB despite not giving the position or sport 100% of his focus. Speaking of which, he had a 4.0 GPA in high school taking advanced placement classes and reportedly carries about a 3.7 at FSU. Yeah, he’s done stupid stuff, but he’s not stupid.

    Russell didn’t start until his redshirt sophomore season and played okay winning all-SEC honorable mention. He almost wasn’t named the starter before the season as there were questions regarding his commitment and work ethic. His junior year, he was honorable mention all-american. He finished his career 20-3 with one bowl win (against always overrated Notre Dame). He then declared and showed up for the Combine looking like a big fat reject OG from a Div II school. Shortly after he was drafted by the Raiders, he tested positive for codeine, and if you know anything about Russell, he was arrested a few years later for illegally possessing it.

    There is no comparison whatsoever, Winston is deadly accurate, fiery, great team mate, and used to overcoming adversity, Russell simply had a great frame and big arm, and most importantly, no work ethic.

  80. Brandon Says:

    David Says:
    January 7th, 2015 at 7:41 pm
    This doesn’t happen to anyone else…does it?
    How often does a college woman just make up a rape claim because a star QB is going to be drafted in the NFL? It never happens!

    And it’s not the only thing he’s been accused of. There is the shop-lifting, the NCAA scandals, standing on the table insulting women…. this guy is a going to be a massive headache off the field. I don’t care if he has the talent to be the next Payton Manning, I don’t want his character on a team I’m rooting for. Period!

    And he was never acquitted in that rape case…it’s just that the FSU alumni prosecutor didn’t press charges. Put this in front of a grand jury and let’s see if enough evidence exists for a trial. Then I would be happy if a grand jury decides not to indict.


    Never? It happened to Mark Sanchez.

  81. Brandon Says:

    Speaking of Peyton Manning, he put his naked buttocks and genitals on a female trainers head when he was a senior at Tennessee.

  82. Eric Says:

    Of course she is suing, this entire thing was about her getting paid.

    Every time she opens her mouth she modifies her story to try and sustain a legal claim. At the hearing it was that she felt forced to go in the cab with him, trying to go for an endangerment finding.

    Now it is adding this alleged statement from a counselor. So the school was endangering her.

    Blatant fabrications.

  83. Rrsrq Says:

    Jumbo realizes he just got a contract extension because of Famous

  84. David Says:

    Well…he’s certainly the QB Tampa Bay deserves.

    I can’t wait till we draft him and then he gets arrested. You know that’s going to happen. That’s not a question of “if.”

  85. Buc-O's 82 Says:

    Conveniently while he described Shamius between the lines stats he left off that he threw 17 picks, compared to Mariota’s 2…..

  86. David Says:

    Yep.. Everyone keeps talking about his “NFL throws” but never seem to want to talk about how he’s been an interception machine in the first half of games.

  87. Morgan Says:

    Normally a shoplifter isn’t caught on his first attempt and probably has been doing it for awhile. Normally a rapist isn’t caught after his first rape – he probably has been doing it for awhile (ask Cosby on that one)……..who knows how many other women will be coming out of the woodwork for Winston….possibly some of his high school victims?

  88. Buccfan37 Says:

    I don’t think Lovie or the Bucs organization will take Winston. Think about it. They won’t. I’d be OK with either choice or another option.

  89. jfat Says:

    So tired of the pro-style crap. Idiotic to think a kid that has been playing football his entire life cant take a snap from under center. Mariota may not have to read defenses pre-snap but he sure as hell reads it well post-snap. If he’s just a system QB, he’s the best to ever run that system. Jameis fans are feeding on the hype from 2013, show me a game where Mariota played as poorly as Jameis did in the Florida game. Those must have been NFL caliber interceptions and incompletions actually, nevermind.

  90. BB Says:

    Anyone that’s supports jameis is of low character themselves this site has proven that and if the bucs do pick him I wouldn’t blame anyone for jumping ship. I value women and the laws of society more than football and I love football but this goes well beyond that or and FSU florida rivalry

  91. Oahubuc Says:

    All the cons were off the field. If you think Mariota was the better QB in that playoff game, you were blinded by the hype.

  92. Patrickbucs Says:

    Eric Says:
    January 7th, 2015 at 7:50 pm
    Of course she is suing, this entire thing was about her getting paid.

    Every time she opens her mouth she modifies her story to try and sustain a legal claim. At the hearing it was that she felt forced to go in the cab with him, trying to go for an endangerment finding.

    Now it is adding this alleged statement from a counselor. So the school was endangering her.

    Blatant fabrications.

    Her goal was to accuse a nobody at the time of rape? He was a red-shirt at the time good facts though.

  93. Patrickbucs Says:

    I’m not sure of her attorney’s reputations, however I do know that well respected one’s don’t spend countless hours and their own money if they don’t think they can win the case. Also the civil court has to hear their evidence before they can even start the process of suing. Obviously they must have some pretty good evidence or it would of been thrown out game over.

  94. Dr Feelgood Says:

    Those of you who keep calling him a rapist, PLEASE go onto the Duke University website and proclaim their lacrosse team to be a bunch of rapists!! Because surely, allegation means guilt and everything you read must be true. And famous people are NEVER the target of false allegation, settlement-seeking, parasites!! If you call him a rapist, I call you an ass!! I value women as well, but not when multiple investigations have led to NO charges. Grow up people!! And stop following the Bucs, if you really have such strong convictions, once we draft this badass!!

  95. lightningbuc Says:


    Her attorney’s have sued Kobe Bryant and Johan Santana on their rape allegations. You’re correct – these guys are no schleps, as some FSU educated attorneys who post on here would have you believe. An ESPN legal analyst today said she has a very strong case against FSU as it pertains to the Title IX.

  96. Nybucsfan Says:

    I can beleive the people that ignore what’s going on with Winston. Not to beat a dead horse but is this the only place you get Winston news? Another girl is saying he raped her that’s two. You don’t have a problem with that really?

  97. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    Yeah, because in 2012 Winston was so special that she knew she was going to get paid. Get out of here.

  98. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    So if I call the Oregon police tomorrow and say that Mariota raped me (even though I’ve never been to the state) then would that be a reason for Mariota’s draft stock to drop? Because my allegation would have the exact same amount of merit as this lying cleat chasers.

    If Mariota admitted that indeed he had scrwd you and had his two friends tape you while you were having sex do you suppose they might at least investigate?

    Would you have sex with Mariota while two guys were taping you. Would you be proud of your son if he did that? What if he did it to your best friend’s daughter even if she said it was OK. Remember there is NO controversy about whether he did it or not. He admits that. The only point is legality…was it consensual or not. And so let’s say your best friend’s daugher told your son it was Ok for your son to her and have two of his friends tape the deed.

    Say the girl then changed her mind…had a lover’s spat..whatever and decided to accuse your son of rape. Let’s say your son is “Famous”. Would he be smart enough to realize the trouble he was in or would he tell the world to f itself and get up in a public forum and scream a disgusting sexual epithet that grew from the very trouble your son was in?

    How would you handle YOUR son if he did that?

  99. DraftJameis Says:

    The off-field debate against Jameis will rage on until Draft Day. But can we finally put to rest the notion that Mariota is a better NFL QB than Winston? Once and for all?

  100. Buc1987 Says:

    I’ll say it again. The case will be THROWN out of court and will never even go to trial. No matter how many of you want this kid convicted, it’s not going to happen. Nor any civil suit. They can try all they want.

    Thrown OUT!

    Remember where you heard it first.

  101. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    I’m an old dude and I remember growing up with this double standard some of you seem to employ.

    I remember when guys could do a girl he was considered a stud and manly while the girl was considered cheap and a ho.

    And so a millionaire in waiting, with the world as his oyster, decides to party with a strange girl, have sex with her while his two friends videoed it.

    And that begs this question. What would you say if TMZ had a report this time next year after the season with a video tape of Jameis doing the dirty recorded by a couple of his buds. As long as the girl was ok with it you would be as well. This is the face of the Bucs franchise?

    Again…Jameis himself has confessed to the sex. He and both his buds have confessed that yes they recorded it but subsequently erased it. Oh and during the investigation of this very same event Jameis gets up and makes fun of the very investigation by screaming a vile internet meme from that event?

  102. Patrickbucs Says:

    They are winning that case then pretty much guaranteed and since they are a public university they will have to disclose the settlement. You are point on with the discussion about was it legal or not. It’s not a good thing period what happened but if he didn’t rape her the rest is their business IMO. They should have confiscated that phone and his though.

    Been saying that for a while, besides from what I understand he grew up pretty meagerly. The Duke lacrosse kids parents may have head a bit more funds to throw around smh what a terrible analogy.

    We should because you said so? His regression this year was painfully obvious.

  103. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    “finally put to rest the notion that Mariota is a better NFL QB than Winston? Once and for all?”

    Perhaps you can explain how you became the all knowing seer of NFL prospects?

    Better still perhaps you could follow this link to a compendium of over 100 mock drafts with Marcus the number choice by a 6-1 !!!!! margin over Jameis. Is everyone but you blind?


  104. Buc1987 Says:

    Girl leaves bar with boy. Girl goes back to boys apartment for what tea and cookies?

    You people act as if girl leaves bar with boy and goes back to boy’s apartment for sex never happens in America. It MUST have been rape!

    GTFO of here.

    Tell me again why she didn’t go back to her apartment and went to Winston’s instead? Was she fresh out of tea and cookies?

    NOPE. She went to Winston’s apartment for sex. Just as the many girls I took home from bars when I was in my 20’s.

  105. Cascade Says:

    I just don’t understand how any responsible fan could so easily dismiss the allegations and blindly support Winston. Shouldn’t it at least raise some concerns? Isn’t it possible the allegations are true? If so, would you still want someone like that as the starting QB and face of the franchise? I would have to be very convinced that he’s had nothing to do with the mistreatment of women to consider drafting him.

  106. Steve from Oregon Says:

    Joe…..I value your site and for the most part your opinions I just wonder why you are so one sided on the quarterback issue. It appears that your only posting views/links that back up your opinion when in reality there are many more pointing towards Marcus.

    I’m not saying that Winston is worse or better just that as a fan of your site it would be nice to get a little more less bias information since in reality we are going to draft one of these two.

  107. Buc1987 Says:

    StPeteBucsFan….we’ll see after the combine, mocks are foolish pre-combine.

  108. Buc-O's 82 Says:

    If Shameis goes to jail, is their a State prison work release site in Hilsborough County, and if so and he’s convicted, can he be sent to that particular location so he can practice and play. This is an important question that the Bucs need to find the answer to.

  109. Mr. Patrick Says:

    Jameis now a double rapist!?!? Free crablegs, BB guns and incoherent young girls for everybody!!!

  110. Patrickbucs Says:


    It’s pretty easy if Winston went to UCLA it wouldn’t be nearly as big of an issue and Joe would have to scramble for some other daily nugget to divide his faithful.

    By the end of the draft will give us all a better indication of what people think of the real comparison. I cannot recall though a 1st rd QB with so many flags both on and off the field. I’m glad I don’t go to FSU with all that Ex FBI agents running around town asking questions this semester.

  111. mark2001 Says:

    I thought McShay said “very few cons about things between the lines.”? I don’t think most of us would disagree with that….however, there is more to what makes a great professional QB than that, isn’t there?

  112. Eric Says:

    There is no other girl that said he raped her.

  113. Joe Says:

    There is no other girl that said he raped her.

    Complainant’s lawyers said a second girl will “cooperate” to slander paint Winston as a serial sexual offender. What complainant’s lawyers didn’t say is how much it costs the lawfirm to hire her. Interestingly, the “second girl” won’t file charges.


    Complainant is either getting bad legal advice pro bono, or her dad is getting an ugly six-figure legal bill.

  114. Mr. Patrick Says:

    Joe better check his facts. Other girl told a victim’s advocate on campus that Jameis had sexually assaulted her before anything concerning the main girl came out.

  115. Eric Says:

    Read that again in they are referring to the plaintiff which is this girl. She is the one who was willing to cooperate not some phantom second girl.

    This girl, the only girl, claims the rape counselor told her a second girl said Winston raped her. No such girl has ever come forward or has ever been identified.

    This girl said this to explain why she decided to file a student conduct charge after such a long period of time. Of course the real reason is that they didnt file charges against winston.so her first attempt at a meal ticket failed. This is her third try.

    You can be assured if there was a second girl she would have been called at this last hearing.

    There is no second girl. This is wo year old hearsay that never materialized.

    If there was a second girl she would have been called at this last hearing..

    Its inartfully drafted but thats what it says.

  116. Eric Says:

    A little duplicitous there. Small cell phone……..

  117. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    “NOPE. She went to Winston’s apartment for sex. Just as the many girls I took home from bars when I was in my 20’s.”

    I’m as guilty as you are of that. I never had two buddies video the event however. But if one of them had cried rape after the deed I surely would have behaved a lot differently until an investigation cleared me.

    i wouldn’t be in a most public area screaming a horrible sex chant that was connected with the event.

    For me it’s not really this event that bothers me…it’s the pattern of Jameis behavior and his clear disregard for anybody but himself. He told all of us to F ourselves when he yelled that obscenity related to an event he was being investigated. He is simply the worst example of a self entitled athlete…OK that’s hyperbole…he is simply the latest in a long line of self entitled athletes of ALL colors who think the gift God gave them at birth…athletic ability means they are truly special and privileged people.

    And in fairness to Jameis and all the jerkwad jocks who behave this way, they are corrupted early in life. How many years now do you think Jameis has received preferential (or anybody with Jameis talent) treatment. Jocks get away with far more crap than they ever get busted. Jameis is not unique. Nor is the attitude that says..hey he can win us a title let’s all look the other way.

    As a fan I do not enjoy that co-dependency with my favorite athletes. If they’re great on the field but jackwagons off of it I do not root for them no matter which uniform they wear. There should be a price to pay for being an ahole.

  118. SAMCRO Says:

    Complainant is either getting bad legal advice pro bono, or her dad is getting
    an ugly six-figure legal bill.

    Why would anyone make false accusations, and then willingly, and continually fork out an ugly six-figure legal bill, if there wasn’t some semblance of truth to it? Would you Joe, if you were her father?

    Why is it even being debated? There are so many red flags it’s ridiculous. At least with Mariota we don’t have all this swirling BS to consider. Take the road with the least amount of resistance, and you’ll make better progress.

  119. Buc-O's 82 Says:

    If you listen closely you can hear the stock in Shameis falling from the top. Joe should go work for the White House, he can spin like Jake Carney.

  120. loggedontosay Says:

    Cascade Says:
    January 7th, 2015 at 5:18 pm
    Multiple rape allegations… Yeah, that’s the guy we want. It’s one thing to imagine that one woman would lie about being raped. It’s possible that it’s a false allegation. But when there’s a second one, it’s highly improbable that they’re both lying about separate incidents. To not be highly suspicious of this guy is misogynistic at best. But it seems football fans have a strong stomach for mistreatment of women. The guy might be a SERIAL RAPIST… and you just can’t employ those people. Sorry, pass…

    You might be a serial rapist. If you are concerned about the abuse of women, call your repug buddies and demand equal pay. The abuse of women does not persist with Winston or any other black face you want to put on abuse. The abuse of women persist with those that deny women equal pay.

  121. Eric Says:

    The lawyers are working on contingency fee. They smell a piece of that big contract winston is going to get.

    First they extort the University.

    Their strategy is to stir up enough so they could work out a confidential settlement agreement from Winston.

    That is why she is pursuing this. To get paid.

  122. Mr. Patrick Says:

    Eric, you need to go and read the New York Times investigative report where they say there is a second girl who told a victim’s advocate that she had been sexually assaulted by Winston, plus it was acknowledged today also on ESPN and several other stations/sights

  123. tampa2ali Says:

    Dear Winston haters,

    Everyone seems to hate Winston based on his rape (allegations).. But u dont see Tom Brady making the news when two of his guards at his wedding was (charged) wit attempted murder on some paparazzi… Brady didn’t wont them taking any photos…

    Or how about Peyton Manning coming out of college had rape (allegations)…. Women claims he pull his pants down and put his private on her face… But no theres no way the media pushes this story wonder why… He still was #1 overall pick….

    And how about Big Ben and brett favre aka Mr. send u my penis…
    I say that to say this please ppl stop showing ur hate for humans who make human mistakes, and everyone on this site and in the world has done something they regret doing, (and I can find something on all our hero’s) but we judge a man on his redemption, thats what builds great humans. And i look at football players as just what the are (football Players).

  124. tampa2ali Says:

    peyton manning story

  125. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    SPBF, you need to educate yourself on what it was that Jameis was screaming and why. It had NOTHING to do with the false allegation. N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Yes, it was dumb to yell it, but it’s what is known to the younger generation as an “internet meme.” Everyone under the age of 25 has said that phrase at some point. He was not talking about the allegation, he was not making light of the allegation, it was in absolutely no way connected to the allegation

  126. ndog Says:

    So let me get this straight you guys would knowing take a player with less talent to play the QB position in the NFL than a player that is clearly more NFL prepared because of something that was accused but never even chared with when looked at 3 separate times? I mean really think about that folks not one thing has even come close to being proven and is going to cause to suck for the next 10 years because we draft a guy who is awesome in a system that we will not run?

  127. jk Says:


  128. Lovie equals 2015 Blackouts Says:

    Winston comes from a line of Jimbo Fisher products who were first-round failures. Fisher mentored JaMarcus Russell at LSU, then Christian Ponder and E.J. Manuel at Florida State. None were anywhere near as reliable as pros as they were under Fisher, although Manuel has had only two seasons in Buffalo to establish himself.

    Winston looked different. From the first snaps he took as a redshirt freshman in 2013, on the road in a one-sided win over Pittsburgh, Winston looked incredibly comfortable under pressure. Many said he looked more like a pro passer in that first game than Manuel did in his last game in Tallahassee. Winston went on to win that night and 25 straight games as a starter after that. He has lost only one game since high school.

    Yet there are credible arguments that he is a “system quarterback,” with Fisher being the “system.” His first-half lethargy throughout the 2014 season, followed by swashbuckling second-half comebacks, suggests it was Fisher who helped Winston figure out defenses at halftime. Even in his best games, like the Seminoles’ national title victory over Auburn, Winston had a tendency to be overexcited in the first half, throwing erratically before finding his rhythm. One of the more memorable sights of the Florida State loss to Oregon last week came when Fisher yelled at Winston to “calm the [expletive] down” or be benched. Winston has had to calm down often over the course of his college career.

    None of this is to say Winston doesn’t warrant the Bucs’ careful consideration. Very few freshmen quarterbacks go unbeaten and win national titles. Very few have the kind of arm made famous not only on the football field, but on the baseball diamond as well. And very few quarterbacks have the kind of charisma Winston possesses; his teammates seemed to love him in good times and bad. A lot of people compare Winston to another Heisman winner, Johnny Manziel. Yes, both have off-field decision-making issues.

  129. Nybucsfan Says:

    http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/jameis-winstons-accuser-sues-florida-state-university/2212747. Read that there are two girls one is sexual assault and one is rape. Both will take the stand of it gets to that point.

  130. rayjay1122 Says:

    Well, maybe after we waste our golden ticket on Winston and he gets run out of the league, he can have a career in porn. OK, that was just a joke but seriously, I wish there was an Andrew Luck in this class. I have doubts about the long term success of Winston and Mariota leading the Bucs offense. I do realize though that FSU fans and alumni are all in for Winston but Gator fans felt the same about Tebow. I am glad it is not my job to make the pick because I am very undecided at this point. Hopefully some of the offseason activities and evaluations will clear some of this up. We just can’t afford to screw this up.

  131. Eric Says:

    Yep two years ago this girl claims that a victims advocate told her another girl said winston raped her.

    So my question remains why wasn’t that presented at the last hearing? Furthermore in order to get a victims advocate you have to be a victim. Thus there would be a police report. Just like there was in this case.

    There is no police report.

    Did the New york times talk to this victims advocate? Of course not she or he would be fired

  132. Patrickbucs Says:


    Curious what you and some members truly do for a living??? Most of you have zero value in terms of law, sales, marketing in the real world..

  133. Eric Says:

    Well lets see I have been practicing law for 27 years. Six of them with the state attorneys office including two in the sex crimes division. Last year I argued and won a case before the United States Supreme Court.

    But what the heck do I know.

    A lot more about the criminal justice system than that hack at the New York times knows.

  134. Jman Says:

    “Calm the $#%^ down or I’ll bench you,”

    Jimbo Fisher.

    That should say it all.

  135. Lovie equals 2015 Blackouts Says:

    Joe gonna write about the raped girl suing FSU?

    No? Not about Winston?

    Well it most certainly is since the poor girl is saying that Jameis Winston raped her.

  136. DallasBuc Says:

    Winston is worth the risk. I want a quarterback with high level arm talent. You are not going to win football games, much less championships with Trash McCown. Bucs fans, stop looking for reasons not to take a chance on greatness. There are no sure things. Take Winston and don’t look back.

  137. Dave Pear Says:

    Lovie and his group of Assistant Coaches should be nicknamed….
    The “Insane Clown Posse.”

  138. Lovie equals 2015 Blackouts Says:

    “Winston is worth the risk. I want a quarterback with high level arm talent, like Josh Freeman. You are not going to win football games, much less championships with Josh ‘Has all the talent physically, but’ Freeman”

    Fixed your post.

  139. Matt Says:

    Joe (I can’t recall your real names right now),
    I know you’d never criticize your visitors and commenters, because that’s bad biz. Allow me to do it for you. ~75% of the comments on this subject are complete idiocy. Whether it’s comments on winstons immaturity (way overblown), legal issues (hint: there aren’t any. Any half intelligent individual knows FSU football players get free [No cussing! — Joe] from publix. Some uninformed employee just wasn’t in on it. What’s worse “Jameis steals $18.50 of crab legs” or “FSU investigated for ncaa violations/free shoes u all over again), the need to take an OL or trade the pick, citing college stats like they directly translate to the nfl… The list goes on and on. I get that your strategy is to appeal to the average joe bucs fan, hence the brand, but people need to open their eyes and get real. I’m glad to see some of your readers understand how to view things objectively, and youre even converting some to the dark side. Mariota is a great QB, but Jameis is the truth. Jameis is a winner to the very core. It’s his identity, and he will put in the extra hours and film work to make sure he is elite. Yes money can change people. I just hope the bucs and their OC are comfortable w Winstons interviews/background checks so they allow that elite NFL talent to don the pewter and red. For all the people who say they will boycott the bucs if they draft Winston, you’re a little too righteous. I for one will be purchasing season tickets the minute they call #5 up on the stage as the first overall pick.

  140. DallasBuc Says:

    ^^^Speak for yourself. Incidentally, I would take any version of Freeman over McTrash.

  141. Cascade Says:

    loggedontosay Says:
    January 7th, 2015 at 10:13 pm

    You might be a serial rapist. If you are concerned about the abuse of women, call your repug buddies and demand equal pay. The abuse of women does not persist with Winston or any other black face you want to put on abuse. The abuse of women persist with those that deny women equal pay.

    I don’t see how what you’re saying has anything to do with my original post. I don’t see what this has to do with politics (I’m certainly not a repugnican)… I am on the side of equal pay. This also has nothing to do with the color of his skin. I think you’ve misread me.

  142. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Just returned from my weekly poker game in NC….told the other 7 guys that we were torn between Winston & Mariota….they are fans of other teams….Panthers, Redskins, Bears, Packers…etc.
    Every single one of them said we shouldn’t pick Winston at # 1 because of his off field risk….some thought he was a better QB….some didn’t…..all thought Mariota would be best in the long run.
    I know…..small sample size….but I think when you get outside Fla the opinions change.
    All of them thought it was a good problem to have…..

  143. BecauseISaySo Says:

    LOL @ ANYONE who thinks the Glazer family will put those millions anywhere NEAR that punk and his past and almost certainly future issues off the field….not a chance. He is no leader…nor does he have the smarts for the position.

    cute topic for off season banter though….kudos Joe

  144. Matt Says:

    I’m sure your friends are decent guys, and they’re right that it’s a good problem to have. But it seems like they’ve succumb to the irresponsible drivel that media outlets were spouting earlier. I think, as joe has pointed out, you’ll see now that people can’t rake a 20 yr old kid over the coals because it’s time to get real, the NFL is calling, and the grown ups who get paid 6-9 figures to assess talent will get to determine who Jameis is, and not some prick sensationalist at the New York Times, TMZ, or ESPN. It paid to criticize Jameis when he was in college. But now the “non-profit” NFL is ready to cash in, and winstons success is their success.

  145. NucIfUBuc Says:

    As Johhny showed us last year, who ever Joe is slurping is the wrong QB…

  146. Stanglassman Says:

    Creamsicle- Many of us have tried to explain the whole meme thing to StPetefan. I think he is just too old to understand the concept. Maybe he understands but it goes against his narrative so much that he choose to ignore it and just repeat the same post over and over.

    Before anyone says anything, YES it was stupid thing Jameis did and I do think it show a lack of good judgment on his part.

  147. Patrickbucs Says:


    Scary thought:)

    Good for you and your credentials. Won’t get into my background but my Father owns a firm and I chose another avenue with my education.

  148. Phil Says:

    We need Jameis Winston.

  149. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    StPeteBucsFan Says:
    Your thorough review and comparison of Jameis versus Marcus was excellent.
    Perhaps you need to cut and repaste it on this thread.”

    Thanks, buddy 🙂

    Here it is


    Okay, I tried typing this 3 times on my new tablet, but the new auto refresh function in the android browsers keeps erasing it every time. So now I’m on my laptop (rant over)

    Leading up to the Rose Bowl, during the week prior, I watched three games of Winston and three games of Mariota. While watching those games, I took notes, areas of concern for each quarterback.

    I also determined to be objective going into the Rose Bowl, not to hold off the field issues against Winston. In fact, check all my previous posts, early on they were a concern (month ago), but in the last month I have not really mentioned those issues much, if at all.

    So here is my evaluation.

    Going into the Rose Bowl, I was watching for certain things from Winston. I had concerns about his wind up, his posture while passing, his pocket presence, his progressions, speed of release and leadership. Also, I wanted to evaluate the offense, see if it was truly NFL ready.

    Wind up – It’s not an illusion. He isn’t quite as bad as Leftwich or Tebow, but he’s alarmingly close. Given his baseball background, I believe this is the contributing factor. I also have my doubts that it can be de-programed since he has it in both sports.

    Posture – He places his weight improperly while passing the ball. This was consistently the case throughout the 4 games (3+Rose Bowl)

    Pocket Presence & Release Speed – Winston holds onto the ball too long because he is very slow going through progressions. Watch him closely. He does not do it by instinct, and he rarely reacts quickly. His progressions are almost forced. This is alarming to me, because in the NFL, he will not have the time he has in college. Expect a lot of sacks and fumbles. He’s a statue in the pocket as well. Bad instincts for moving around.

    Stares Down Targets – Winston consistently stared down his targets. Every play. Not once did he fool the defense with his eyes. Yes, he would stare, glance once to another target and then stare back at his WR.

    Leadership – Okay, this is a big one. I was hoping he would lose the Rose Bowl because he was undefeated. No one had ever seen how he handled the adversity of losing, and I wanted to see how he did. Being undefeated is well and good, but that doesn’t happen in the NFL. What I saw was alarming. He consistently acted like a child, pointing fingers and screaming at his teammates. He blamed EVERYTHING on them. Even if it was their fault, which was the case at times, that is not leadership and we all know it. He screamed at his coach. Yes, it is claimed that happens all the time. That doesn’t make me feel better. In fact, it raises more red flags.

    When he finally got himself under control, he gathered his offense and tried to give them a pep talk, but it was too little too late. You could tell by their expressions that he had alienated them with his behavior. That’s what we can expect if he comes to Tampa.

    The Offense – Not as NFL style as people claim. There were often 4 WRs on the line. We rarely, if ever, see that in the NFL. I suspect this is because of his weakness in the pocket and scrambling. He cannot buy time, so they have to give him as many options as possible.


    After watching three games, I went into the Rose Bowl watching for several things. I wanted to see him under center. I wanted to see if his pocket presence was a fluke from the other games, because it seemed better than I’d heard. Progressions. I wanted to watch his accuracy on short, medium and long passes. I wanted to watch how he scrambled left (blind side). Would he throw on the run well? And Leadership.

    Under Center – I did not see him under center once during the 4 games (3+Rose bowl). This is an area of concern, especially if we keep EDS as center, because EDS often botches long snaps. There is no sugar coating this fault. We don’t know if he will adjust to being under center because we have not witnessed it. Neither do we know that he will not adjust. It’s pure guessing.

    Pocket Presence & Release – Throughout all 4 games, he remained mobile in the pocket. More than that. He had good instincts as to where to move in the pocket most of the time. He did not have a “run first” attitude like people have claimed. In fact, this was not the case in any of the 4 games. I suspect people pointing at “run first” have not done their research. He has a short, high release. This is a good thing mostly. He could get a little more range if he needed to by lengthening the occasional wind up slightly (not as much as Winston).

    Progressions – Mariota detractors claim he does not go through his progressions. This is not what I witnessed in the 4 games. I saw him instinctively go through them very, very quickly. This, I believe, is a bi-product of the Spread Offense. Instead of having a set target, he has several options on each play. To me, this would play into the new NFL Offenses…the ones that are fast-paced. We heard Fast-paced coming into the last season, but it never materialized. With Mariota it would.

    Accuracy – He plants his feet properly and he throws. there were a couple floaters that could have been picked off by a pro, but for the most part he was very accurate. What detractors pointed to as inaccurate was mostly ball placement to reduce risk of interceptions. He laid the ball right where it needed to be, consistently. Not every time, but consistently. This points to an instinct that many college QBs do not have. Winston has shown no sign of it. I saw Winston drop the ball right in the prime pick area several times throughout each of the 4 games. Mariota did not go deep much. I think he has the arm, but the accuracy was 50-50 throughout the 4 games on deep passes. Short to Medium were mostly spot on.

    Scramble Left & Throwing on the Run – Out of 4 games, I saw him scramble left maybe 7 times. Only 1 or 2 during the Rose Bowl. Of the 7, he scrambled once, through the ball away twice, had one incompletion and the rest were completions (3). I think that’s reasonable because he made 3 of 4 attempts. It may not be his strength, but he can grow into it. Scrambling to the right and throwing on the run Mariota was deadly accurate…even across the field.

    After objectively watching 4 games of each, I came away liking Mariota. I don’t usually watch college ball (boring; hate the rule differences), so I really did not have a bias. I will say this…I was bored watching Winston more often than I was watching Mariota.

    Winston looks like Sean Kings younger brother, from the face to the gut. Which also is another similarity to Byron Leftwich.

    Mariota has an incredible hand off. One thing that has bugged me of late (and winston is also guilty of this) is quarterbacks not “selling” the fake hand off. Mariota sells every play. The defense honestly could not tell who had the ball. Heck, he fooled me several times. To me, if you are going to fake a hand off, you need to fake the fake just as well. Do it consistently as though you are selling it or you will not fool anyone. Mariota excels at this.

    So I’m now favoring Mariota, and these are the reasons why. Simply put, Winston is a bill of goods that is deceptive. Mariota, you know what you get and the deception is that he’s better than advertised at his supposed weaknesses.

  150. Buc-O's 82 Says:

    Do any of you really believe that the Glazers would want to draft Shameis? They don’t want that type on their team. Case in point – Talib – simple as that.

  151. Cmon Man! Says:

    This video says it all. The “experts” loved Brian Brohm over Aaron Rodgers for the same reasons they like Winston over Mariotta.


    Yep, Rodgers needed some work but one still plays (very well) and one doesn’t. I would rather see the Bucs draft Mariotta and give him some time to work on his game than see Winston jump right in and stink up the joint. He may come from a pro system and he may have a prototypical body, but he doesn’t appear to have it between the ears to succeed when he plays for a team that can’t block and can’t run the ball.

  152. DallasBuc Says:

    Bonzai- get an editor if you are going to be so long winded….and please don’t repost your proud “analysis” if you can’t get to the point.

  153. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    I asked Bonzai to repost that because it was the very best analysis I’ve read on this topic from anybody here including the two joes.

    You’re probably a “Famous” fan who doesn’t want anybody to point out the truth.

    Here’s a tip. It’s called scrolling. I participate in only two blogs. This one and a political blog. After a couple of weeks you learn the regulars and what they represent.

    When I see a long post I simply look at the poster or perhaps read the first graph to see if it interests me…if a poster who I’ve already written off in terms of respect I simply scroll…if it’s somebody like BucBonzai I read it.

    It’s called making a decision Dallas Buc. And given my distaste for blog police you bet I’ll quickly scroll past any more than a two liner from you since you obviously do not enjoy the thought required for longer posts.

  154. Matt Says:

    I hope I have some time later in my day to discuss all the ridiculous things in your “scouting report”.

  155. Matt Says:

    dont mistake attempted analysis for GOOD analysis please. I give someone credit to trying to break things down instead of regurgitating what they hear. But bonzai is way off on both what he is seeing, and even the format of his analysis. For example, why no mention of winstins accuracy?

  156. Matt Says:

    Also, the fact that someone “participates in a political blog” should also be a red flag. But I won’t get started on that. Not the time or place.

  157. DallasBuc Says:

    St Pete- I read it the first time and thought he needed an editor then too. He linked to it so did not require a full copy/paste. I am not the least bit offended that you will boycott my comments or so you say. As far as making decisions I’ve decided that Bonzai is largely wrong when it comes to Bucs takes and while I cannot remember anything you have said I have made the decision now to assume you are also largely wrong by association. Feel free to take your affinity for long-winded blowhards back to your favorite political blog. Or don’t…I could give a sht either way.

  158. DallasBuc Says:

    …and yeah StPete, count me in for team Winston!

  159. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Matt and Dallas

    Vive La Difference!

  160. Patrickbucs Says:

    Bonzai I thought that was a great post. Dallas u still bitter the Cowboys won or something? Take it Ez man

  161. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    dont mistake attempted analysis for GOOD analysis please.

    Well we can agree to disagree on what is GOOD analysis but I accept your point.

    More importantly when Joe does his evening Jameis thread I’ll be around to read your analysis. If you put as much thought into it as Bonzai then I’ll be impressed even if I don’t agree with it. I’ll look forward to reading it.