Jameis Watch: The Godfather Stands Firm
January 28th, 2015
“Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion Jameis Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.
Weeks ago, Joe detailed how Jameis Winston received a high blessing from The Godfather, aka Gil Brandt, the father of modern scouting and the architect of legendary Cowboys team decades ago.
At Super Bowl Media Day yesterday, Joe learned that NFL decision-makers still hold Brandt’s player evaluation in extremely high regard, higher than Joe ever imagined. At 82-years-old, Brandt still brings the goods. And he still works for NFL.com and SiriusXM NFL Radio.
Joe cornered Brandt yesterday to talk about Winston and quarterbacks, and Joe pressed Brandt for flaws of Winston and what might give him trouble.
Brandt said he could talk about a lot flaws in a lot of other guys, but Winston comes up “clean and ready” no matter how many times it’s scrutinized from a personnel man’s grading standpoint.
“You’ll always look deeper into a tape, but I don’t think he has anything negatives. Really.” Brandt said. “You won’t hear evaluators talk about his bad film. His negative is he can’t afford to do something silly between now and the draft. A perceived character risk is different for every team.”
January 28th, 2015 at 2:41 pm
“perceived” is the key word in that last sentence.
January 28th, 2015 at 2:43 pm
lol
can’t afford to do anything silly between now and the draft.
it’s after the draft that is the issue. I’m sure he’ll be nice and presentable up till then……even serial killers take a break till the heat cools down.
January 28th, 2015 at 2:47 pm
Everyone forgets Payton Manning’s sexual assault allegations. LOOK IT UP PEOPLE, IT’S THERE!!!!
January 28th, 2015 at 2:49 pm
@ Robert 9
Exactly, and with his pattern of bad judgement and character issues, we know it’s coming
January 28th, 2015 at 2:50 pm
the guy has 2 years experience, interception issues, rape issues, theft issues, gun issues etc, etc. he has dead eyes, the eyes of a soulless man.
and i am no fan of mariota sitting the bench either.
trade the pick, start MG and get matt moore or brian hoyer to back him up. we can use next years 1st from the team we traded with (which will be a high pick) if needed to get another QB after we finish 9-7 if needed. and we get lots and lots of picks to fill our lots and lots of holes.
January 28th, 2015 at 2:50 pm
“We don’t see things as they are, we see them as we are.” -Anais Nin
This is why we always hear perception is reality. It’s true for the individual.
This is also why it’s foolish to keep debating whether Jameis is innocent and a victim, or guilty. At this point this has become a moot point. Regardless of Jameis actual guilt or innocence the “perception” is already out there that he is an immature head case.\
I AM NOT CALLING HIM THESE THINGS
I’m simply pointing out that a LOT of people will not be happy with his selection. I think the Bucs and the Glazers in particular, they are the ones who will have to live with the circus and the PR as movies get played and people continue to debate.
Again I’m not saying we shouldn’t draft him. I AM saying somebody better do some super duper homework. NOBODY is going to forgive Jameis of ANY transgression once he’s in the league.
Save the whine. It is what it is. He may be worth the hassle, he perhaps is not. Time will tell.
January 28th, 2015 at 2:53 pm
@Lev
OK you’ve made your point. Did Peyton also yell f her in the p WHILE he was being investigated. Did he shoplift, damage property, act like a total knucklehead.
You’d actually be better served by pointing out that Ben Rapelisberger actually did horrible things to a young woman. That was then this is now!
We now have 24/7 cable, TMZ, a viral internet and a current campaign trying to end the abuse of women.
We have Roger Goodell thankful for deflategate which distracts from his horrible handling of the Ray Rice and Greg Hardy incidents. How much patience do you think Goodell will have for the next offender?
January 28th, 2015 at 2:53 pm
Bonzai is not going like this at all. SEVERAL scouts say the same thing verbatim to what Brandt said, but don’t tell all the scouts on JBF. They have nothing on NFL scouts. They’ve watched the tape don’tcha know….
Jameis Winston is coming to Tampa!
https://mir-cdn.behance.net/v1/rendition/projects/404/22294419.549c1678c4b75.jpg
Cue up the song Helter Skelter by the Beatles to be played at every home game.
When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide
Where I stop and I turn and I go for a ride
Till I get to the bottom and I see you again
Yeah yeah yeah hey
Do you, don’t you want me to love you
I’m coming down fast but I’m miles above you
Tell me tell me tell me come on tell me the answer
Well you may be a lover but you ain’t no dancer
Now helter skelter helter skelter
Helter skelter yeah
Ooh!
January 28th, 2015 at 2:54 pm
Robert 9 is a clown. “The eyes of a soulless man”….what is this, NFL Draft scouting by Sarah Palin?
January 28th, 2015 at 2:56 pm
Yeah Big Ben caught a blowie in the bathroom from an overzealous fangirl…shame on him.
January 28th, 2015 at 2:57 pm
the eyes are the window to the soul
January 28th, 2015 at 2:58 pm
now your defending bigben?
$hit man, how many women have you raped and justified with no means yes?
January 28th, 2015 at 2:59 pm
Brian…don’t take Robert serious he’s already threatened to become a Fins fan if they draft Winston.
It’s the same thing he said when Glennon got benched.
If there ever was a fairweather fan…..
January 28th, 2015 at 3:01 pm
Lev Says:
Everyone forgets Payton Manning’s sexual assault allegations. LOOK IT UP PEOPLE, IT’S THERE!!!!
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Are you trying to elevate Winston’s status or drag down Manning’s?
January 28th, 2015 at 3:01 pm
LMAO @ The eyes of a soulless man. You people come up with the craziest things.
Licht/Lovie will do their job and search into the off field issues. The public opinion wont be factored into the decision. Do they think they can win with Jameis? That will be the factor on whether or not he becomes a Buc. Because they know the haters will retract it all once the wins pile up.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:02 pm
Brandt is a sweet old man who needs better glasses if he can’t see the flaws in WInston’s game and mental acuity….In any other draft, especially one that had more than 2 serviceable QBs, he’d be considered a second round gamble, not a number one pick.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:02 pm
I love when people bring up other accused rapist like it makes ok jamies is a dirtbag. OJ killed his wife and got away with it so does it make it ok for jameis to do? He has got a way with a few crimes he should keep going
January 28th, 2015 at 3:04 pm
@ Joe
So did you also ask Gil what his opiniion of Mariota and Williams are or were you afraid of what he might say?
January 28th, 2015 at 3:04 pm
“even serial killers take a break till the heat cools down.”
Hyperbole much?
January 28th, 2015 at 3:05 pm
87, I got my tannehill jersey last year. is there a reason I can’t have a back up plan?
I won’t wast my sundays watching a team who is obviously tanking intentionally, nor will i watch one who would make someone of such low moral character the face of the franchise. hell, the whole nfl is flag ball anyway these days. might as well take up golf and gets some light blue pants.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:07 pm
@87
NOW LAUGHING EVEN HARDER!!!
January 28th, 2015 at 3:07 pm
@Brian
Yeah Big Ben caught a blowie in the bathroom from an overzealous fangirl…shame on him.
Wow! Did he also do that? You mean there are multiple accusations?
“It looks like Ben Roethlisberger has bought his way out of a sticky legal situation … by settling a lawsuit filed by a woman who claims the Pittsburgh Steelers QB forced her to have sex with him in 2008.
Lawyers for Roethlisberger and his accuser — Andrea McNulty — announced the two sides have reached an agreement which ends the lawsuit.
McNulty — who worked at the Harrah’s Hotel in Lake Tahoe at the time of the alleged incident — had claimed Ben invited her into his penthouse suite to fix a broken TV … and then raped her.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/20/ben-roethlisberger-sexual-assault-lawsuit-rape/#ixzz3Q93yI6ml
IF Jameis truly gets “suckered” again by a woman it won’t matter the motivation. He’ll be toast!!! It’s a new day and if another allegations surfaces the women in Tampa and some men would go ballistic.
He may be the correct pick. He is certainly a dangerous pick.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:08 pm
Jameis had consensual sex with a chick who wanted the D. A couple of you refuse to acknowledge this, even as a possibility.
When he get called to the podium and puts on the TB #1 jersey, you can support the team and enjoy the future wins.
Or be a Phins fan. Up to you.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
I have the utmost respect for Brandt as an analyst. Like other scouts/draft experts, he’s selling his opinion and not taking any risk.
The owner’s burden is drafting a prospect who has repeatedly made National news for character issues. Ahem…. last years JBF minion, Johnny Football comes to mind.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
If we are going to take a QB then Sign Mariota TODAY and get him a playbook ASAP. Don’t wait for the draft.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:11 pm
The 18 interceptions were flawless, perfectly thrown picks I guess. I have no problem that he likes Jameis at all, but really… not one flaw?
January 28th, 2015 at 3:11 pm
At no time in the interview did Brandt say where Winston should be drafted or that the Bucs should draft him. The last sentence screams “Buyer Beware”
January 28th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
I can’t believe anyone still thinks we are going to draft Jameis Winston. It reminds me of the ignorant Florida rednecks back in the ’70s who still thought pro wrestling was real.
Mariota is a an all-American, squeaky clean, cool-as-a-cucumber football hero that everyone can get behind and root for. And, his overall football skill set is just plain better than Winston’s.
There is no way the Glazers are going to hang this franchise on Jameis Winston when Mariota is sitting right there for the taking. Get over it and move on. Marcus Mariota will be the Buccaneers QB for the next 15 years.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
“Mr. Patrick Says:
January 28th, 2015 at 3:11 pm
At no time in the interview did Brandt say where Winston should be drafted or that the Bucs should draft him. The last sentence screams “Buyer Beware””
Gil Brandt, a vice president for player personnel for the Dallas Cowboys from 1960 to 1988, who is now an analyst for NFL.com and Sirius XM radio, said he thought Winston had “a very bright football mind” and would be the first or second player drafted.
It’s from the NYtimes. Not sure if Joes will allow the link.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:16 pm
I like both QB’s, Mariota more, but if Winston does ONE LITTLE THING WRONG, his whole past will get dragged in, right or wrong. If the Bucs draft Winston, they are going in with the knowledge of having a PR nightmare on their hands potentially.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:17 pm
so, if we were to have a plan B, what would it be? I’d be interested in other opinions of options outside of mariota and jameis, no means yes, winston
January 28th, 2015 at 3:21 pm
That would be such a shame if we lost Robert9 as a fan.
But not to worry, plenty of members of the Seminole Nation in these parts who would love to see him play.
I know I would.
Go Jameis, this franchise turns around when he hugs the commish in April and puts on that bucs jersey.
Gonna be a great day and bucs fans should feel darn lucky if we get him.
Winston to Evans, man that has a good sound to it.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:26 pm
So last night 7 friends and I went out to dinner at Beef O’Brady’s. ESPN was on and everybody was talking football. All 8 of us agreed that we did not want Winston drafted here. Our conversation spread to people that were at the bar and after talking to about 12-15 more people only 2 of them wanted Winston drafted here and they admitted that it was because they went to FSU. So that is the pulse of the Tampa Bay area Bucs fans. The vast majority do not want Winston here. And you can bet the Bucs will do their focus group and market research and find this out if they haven’t already
January 28th, 2015 at 3:27 pm
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Jameis-Winston-Crab-Legs-Memes-7.jpg
is this really what you want for the face of the franchise?
January 28th, 2015 at 3:27 pm
If there’s one thing I’ve learned from getting to know my fair share of “celebrities” is that we really don’t know them. I can’t tell you how many guys I thought were complete arse holes until I met them, when they turned out to be good guys. On the other hand, there’s a lot of guys that are angels on TV that are complete Douches in real life. Point is, we don’t know these guys, even though we believe we do. I think it’s laughable when people say Winston is of low character. How do you know? Were you in his room with him that night? Or did you just wish you were? I’ve got no problem with people being nervous about him. If you don’t want to take a risk on him, that’s a respectable opinion. But for you to sit here on your tough little keyboard and judge someone, that is too much. He hasn’t even been charged with anything! I don’t understand how anyone could be so stupid to do so. Only thing I can think of is you have some issues with yourself, and that is the way you deal with it.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:29 pm
“is this really what you want for the face of the franchise?”
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Okay, so let me get this straight: we shouldn’t draft Winston because we don’t want people making up bad photoshop pictures with him in it? I’m confused by your stupidity.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:29 pm
I’ll just have to disagree with him on this one. Winston definitely has flaws on the field.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
@rianDorry55 Says: I can’t believe you just typed that. Do some research.
The woman you are speaking about was with her friends and a college student in a college town going to college bars there. You see, Ben has this thing apparently for younger, potentially naive girls, rather than for people around his own age. Why might he be stalking young college girls in a place he has no business being in except for…
And this next part is fact. Look it up. So he tries to get her in the first bar then followed them to the second where he tried again and then to the third where eventually the woman in question disappeared. Her friends learned where she was and tried to go into the bathroom to save her, where Ben had cornered her but his paid bodyguards (who were police men and should have REALLY known better) would not let them in.
On top of that the club owner would not help them get in to save their friend. On top of that the club owner who had the actual tape intentionally destroyed it because it had the obvious damnable evidence on it.
Yeah- big ben is a rapist. The problem being that famous people get treatment like this and the little people, like you and me, get trampled on in the process. He IS a RAPIST and always will be a RAPIST!
Just remember for those who want to fight it- did OJ Simpson kill his wife? Everyone knows he did but he got off. Why? because he couldn’t put fur lined gloves on over the top of the rubber gloves that they made him wear. You think its easy to do that? Try it!
Now Jameis may not be as guilty as big ben- yet! But what evidence got thrown out? What was intentionally looked the other way on? Supposedly they (Jameis and the other guys that were present) taped it and destroyed the tape. Why might they do that?
This goes way beyond just the rape allegations however. Ive said it before and i’ll say it again… get used to ‘Strip club incident’ and ‘bar fight’ being in the news because if and when they bring him in here you’ll get one or the other, probably on rotating weekends every time the bucs are in town. The guy has to grow up and grow up quick!
He could be the greatest qb ever but if he is suspended most the time then how does he perform on the field? And make no mistake- in the nfl he WILL be suspended for his crap. I could point the finger to a certain guy with the Jags and another with the Browns that are supposed to be all world receivers…yet cant get themselves on the field. Were they worth the pic? Hell no!
January 28th, 2015 at 3:33 pm
C’mon Patrick you know you don’t have seven friends.
Jim Crow meeting?
January 28th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
“So last night 7 friends and I went out to dinner at Beef O’Brady’s. ESPN was on and everybody was talking football. All 8 of us agreed that we did not want Winston drafted here. Our conversation spread to people that were at the bar and after talking to about 12-15 more people only 2 of them wanted Winston drafted here and they admitted that it was because they went to FSU. So that is the pulse of the Tampa Bay area Bucs fans. The vast majority do not want Winston here. And you can bet the Bucs will do their focus group and market research and find this out if they haven’t already”
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So the entire pulse of the bay can be summarized at a Beef O’ Brady’s now? Interesting, and completely meaningless. Pretty sure Lovie isn’t going to factor bar conversations into his draft evaluation. How many of those people in the bar were Bucs fans? How many were season ticket holders? How many could even name 3 players on our team? What if I went to a different Beef O’ Brady’s and got an entirely different response? What say you then?
January 28th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
Winston is without a doubt a very good football player. Will the wins overweigh the initial PR hassles and potential future ones? I personally doubt it. Even if what he does (if anything) is minor, everything he ever did will come out of the woodwork, which is unfair but that’s how it goes. If he checks out ok, I will support him as our QB fully, even though I am more comfortable with Mariota.
Robert9 has a point about Winston’s eyes though, I kinda agree. I don’t really get a good feel for him looking in his eyes. He doesn’t give me that “leader” or “face of the franchise” vibe. It doesn’t mean he’s a bad guy, and one cannot judge his character that way, I guess I will just have to do more researching, and pay close attention to interviews, etc. he does.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:41 pm
Eric Says:
Go Jameis, this franchise turns around when he hugs the commish in April and puts on that bucs jersey.
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I’m sure Goddell is anxiously awaiting that very moment.
Especially since how the NFL in total handled the Ray Rice debacle. Women’s rights activists will be gathered around Godell and Winston shrieking and screaming “I want Jamesis to hit me right in the sticky!”
Seminole Nation is full of fools Eric…. you may be a suitable posterboy. Maybe you should go wash Gene’s motorhome for a photo op?
January 28th, 2015 at 3:42 pm
@ Eric
Sorry, but unlike you, I have a life
January 28th, 2015 at 3:43 pm
LOL Robert. Never seen that one.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:43 pm
So now a couple, Probably drunk, people in a bar make up the tampa bay community? LMAO this just gets dumber and dumber.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:45 pm
@HawaiianBuc
It appears a good amount of people don’t know what anecdotal evidence is.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:46 pm
@only Buc fan in Montana,
I’ve got no issue with how you feel. An opinion like yours is one that I respect, because you aren’t bashing a guy unfairly. And in the end, you could very well be right.
I do, however, disagree about the whole eye thing. In fact, I see the exact opposite. Not long ago (literally like a month or so), I was not in favor of Winston over Mariota. I’m a gator fan, and I have been trained from birth to not like the Seminoles. However, when I see Winston play, I can’t help but like him. I felt that way last year when I never thought we’d have a chance to draft him. I feel like he is a true leader. I enjoyed watching clips of him in the locker room, and I actually think he’s a pretty good interview as well. I think in many cases, you see what you want to see. If you are against him (like Robert9), you are going to see the devil in his eyes. By that same token, if you are a FSU homer, he can probably do no wrong. Hell, look at all the Patriots fans trying to defend Brady. It’s very hard to be unbiased about Winston, which is why we get at least one Winston article every day, and at least 100 comments on each.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:47 pm
@ Hawaiian
Please, be by guest to do so. But you will find the same results unless you go to a Beef’s in Tally
January 28th, 2015 at 3:50 pm
Someone needs to give Robert 9 a tampon it must be your time of the month , you should take that Tannehill jersey and stop your bleeding
January 28th, 2015 at 3:50 pm
@ Hawaiian
Season ticket holders – 3 in our group and 2 that I know of at the bar
January 28th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
Youre not the only Bucs fan in Montana man. Im here too.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
Least there are two of us
January 28th, 2015 at 3:54 pm
Ok, maybe I’m a bit buzzed here too…but this is THE Leonard Williams watch?, correct…
Tabbed as the most dominating player in the NFL draft, a LA Richard Seymour
January 28th, 2015 at 3:56 pm
I just took an impromptu poll at Wendy’s.
They all love Winston and can’t wait for the bucs to draft him.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:58 pm
@Eric
Did you poll outside the wendys as well? Dont give Patrick any reason to doubt your credibility. He’ll get cranky.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:59 pm
You know where ever Winston plays fans are gonna be pulling out the crab legs. Winston already wrote that chapter in his career.
January 28th, 2015 at 3:59 pm
Hypothetical…if both Suh & Winston are both in the draft now. WHO are you going to take?
January 28th, 2015 at 4:00 pm
eric took a poll at wendys…..hehe
special sauce?
January 28th, 2015 at 4:01 pm
Patrick sometimes the Swastika scares folks.
Might skew your poling results.
January 28th, 2015 at 4:02 pm
@ Pat
Agreed that Leonard Williams is the best player in the draft as he is on most draft expert’s boards at #1. If he has a big combine, as I expect him too he will start to get his due recognition that has been lacking because of everybody talking about the top 2 overrated QB’s
January 28th, 2015 at 4:03 pm
“Patrick sometimes the Swastika scares folks.
Might skew your poling results.”
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Winner, winner!!!!!
January 28th, 2015 at 4:05 pm
These guys over here at Sonny’s are also Winston supporters.
January 28th, 2015 at 4:07 pm
@ Eric
At Wendy’s did you get a Frosty reception? lol
January 28th, 2015 at 4:09 pm
“You’ll always look deeper into a tape, but I don’t think he has anything negatives. Really.” Brandt said.” I think Brandt needs to call it a day, he’s clearly getting Al Davis syndrome back when Davis was getting senile, no negatives? Really? you cant be serious Brandt. EVERY player in this draft has negatives, ESPECIALLY Winston, and im not even talking off the field negatives. GET REAL OLD MAN.
January 28th, 2015 at 4:10 pm
@ Eric
Sorry, but not evrybody injects color and race into everything like you do. When you were at Wendy’s, did you pay for your lunch by swiping your race card?
January 28th, 2015 at 4:12 pm
87… love Helter Skelter and anything Beatles. Great song, I’ve got blisters on my fingers. Charles Manson’s group of killers wrote Helter Skelter in blood on the wall of the victim’s residence.
January 28th, 2015 at 4:15 pm
Mr. Patrick,
I have more belief in you as a stand up comedian than I do of your “pulse of the city” poll you took at Beef O’ Brady’s. The fact that you actually thought your argument could persuade ANYONE one way or the other is absolutely hysterical. Hopefully by now you’ve at least gotten to the point that you understand how truly stupid that was. If not, you’re issues are bigger than I though.
January 28th, 2015 at 4:16 pm
@ Hawiaain
I didn’t know Sonny’s had Luaus. Cool
January 28th, 2015 at 4:17 pm
explains 87’s love for winston
I got my race card at chik fil-a. they won’t accept it at churches though. WTF?
January 28th, 2015 at 4:19 pm
@Mr. Patrick,
I’m losing even more confidence in you as a stand up comedian. Is there eventually going to be a punchline to your lame jokes?
January 28th, 2015 at 4:21 pm
yeah MR PATRICK……take your rape hating issues elswhere
round here we s’port rapin, stealing, vandalism of property, disregard for human decencey, weed gestures and athlete cover ups. jus as long as ya sling that ball!
January 28th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
I juat polled jameis’ family. They think we should take super mario.
January 28th, 2015 at 4:26 pm
Hey sorry if someone already posted this but guess who Gil Brandt s number one prospect in last years draft was and this was out of all positions:
Drumroll please ……Johnny manziel
January 28th, 2015 at 4:27 pm
Robert 9 Says:
January 28th, 2015 at 2:50 pm
the guy has 2 years experience, interception issues, rape issues, theft issues, gun issues etc, etc. he has dead eyes, the eyes of a soulless man.
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Dead eyes, soulless eyes? They’re dark brown eyes, with black pupils in the middle… are trying to say anybody with dark brown eyes is soulless? So now you’re using religion to support your racism?
If you seriously already have a Tannehill jersey, just freaking jump, seriously. Your man card has been pulled if you have a back-up team anyways. Once you turn 18 you have one team, unless your uncle, or cousin, or brother, or best friend or neighbor happens to sign with a different team, that’s it. Having two teams, or having a back-up team, is the very definition of “casual fan” or “little kid”. Which is it?
January 28th, 2015 at 4:28 pm
@ Hawiaain
I’ve always respected your opinions on here even though I only agree with you about half the time. However, never until now have I ever considered you to by ignorant.
I was not trying to covince anybody of anything, just posting something that actually happened last while talking to very educated football fans that didn’t need convincing of anything. I know the Winston supporters don’t want to hear that and will try to discredit it, but it is what it is
Please don’t drop to the level of a lot of the other Winston supporters on here that just make 6th grade snide remarks on something that goes against their own agenda
January 28th, 2015 at 4:29 pm
Robert 9 Says:
January 28th, 2015 at 4:21 pm
yeah MR PATRICK……take your rape hating issues elswhere
round here we s’port rapin, stealing, vandalism of property, disregard for human decencey, weed gestures and athlete cover ups. jus as long as ya sling that ball!
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Innocent until proven guilty, he wasn’t even charged. I’ve stolen, I’ve vandalized, I’ve even been charged with assault, yet here I am, in my 14th year as a public school teacher. How did that happen? I mean because if I did stupid stuff as a TEENAGER surely I wouldn’t learn and would only move on to bigger and worse stuff! People do grow up.. maybe you should as well.
January 28th, 2015 at 4:31 pm
oh brandon….the race card again?
seriously are all the winston supporters racists who hate women?
I said the same about free except I said his head was not in it and he should be pulled, based on the look in his eyes.
sorry, they both have brown eyes. so does my wife and daughter.
January 28th, 2015 at 4:34 pm
my daughter loves the dolphins if you must know, and my wife is a jets fan. the only logical option would be we support one team as both the bucs and jets are in a never ending spiral.
when you have a little girl who likes a team, then you can tell me how it’s wrong to lean towards them as a back up
January 28th, 2015 at 4:35 pm
@ Dan
See, even they know
January 28th, 2015 at 4:37 pm
brandon
I’ve stolen, I’ve vandalized, I’ve even been charged with assault, yet here I am, as a public school teacher
can you make a better argument for private school?
January 28th, 2015 at 4:37 pm
Robert 9 Says:
January 28th, 2015 at 4:31 pm
oh brandon….the race card again?
seriously are all the winston supporters racists who hate women?
I said the same about free except I said his head was not in it and he should be pulled, based on the look in his eyes.
sorry, they both have brown eyes. so does my wife and daughter.
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I’m sorry to say then, that the females in your family are clearly demons.
But seriously, “the look in his eyes”? How effing stupid can a comment be? THE LOOK IN HIS EYES? Are you the Eye Whisperer? Do you have super powers that enables you to look in a person’s eyes and see their soul? Hell, don’t let that get out, the US will send you straight to Gitmo to start interrogating prisoners.
Hey folks, we’ve got the secret weapon for the war on terror and his name is Robert9! Let’s all rejoice! Seriously, that is the dumbest statement I’ve seen on here in a long time.
January 28th, 2015 at 4:40 pm
@Mr. Patrick
I’ve got no agenda buddy. I’m a white guy who is a Florida gator. I lived in Hawaii for 25 years, and never miss an Oregon game because of Mariota. I wanted him to win the Heisman, and I want him to be our QB. Problem is, deep down I know Winston is the better choice. I don’t excuse him for what he has done, but at the same time I don’t judge him, because the fact of the matter is he wasn’t charged for the one that really matters (the rape allegation). I also know that I’ve never met the kid, so it’s unfair for me to judge his character when he’s never been convicted of a crime. True facts are that he had a 4.0 GPA in high school, a 3.6 in college, and he was accepted into Stanford. He also is 26-1 as a starter, is the only freshman to win the Heisman running a pro style offense, and he is a national champion. Those aren’t judgements, those are facts. There is no bias in my opinion, and no agenda. I want the best player for the Buccaneers. As I’ve said many times, if his character checks out, he’s the guy. The key word is “if”. I do not have the means to do the research, and neither do you. I’m not a GM, and neither are you. If he doesn’t check out, then draft someone else. I may be disappointed, but their responsibility is not to make me happy with every draft pick. Their responsibility is to win games.
January 28th, 2015 at 4:40 pm
I dont think thats as dumb as trying to say a handful of drunks in Beef O’ Bradys sums up the pulse of the Tampa Bay Community. But thats just me.
January 28th, 2015 at 4:40 pm
Robert 9 Says:
January 28th, 2015 at 4:37 pm
brandon
I’ve stolen, I’ve vandalized, I’ve even been charged with assault, yet here I am, as a public school teacher
can you make a better argument for private school?
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Hmmm, taught there, too. The point is, that EVERYBODY does stupid things in their youth… and then they get over it… they grow up. The difference between me and Winston is I didn’t get caught stealing (I ran out of the mall and never did it again), I didn’t get caught vandalizing (toiletpapering a house, putting a turd under a friend’s car door handle), and the charges for assault were dropped (apparently kicking a dude’s butt after he punched you from behind twice is okay in the eyes of the law).
January 28th, 2015 at 4:41 pm
You guys are funny.
January 28th, 2015 at 4:42 pm
I think we need to suspend Jameis watch for a few months. I swear people are getting dumber by the minute on here. Nothing intelligent has been said in the past 75 comments.
January 28th, 2015 at 4:45 pm
HawaiianBuc Says:
January 28th, 2015 at 4:40 pm
@Mr. Patrick
I’ve got no agenda buddy. I’m a white guy who is a Florida gator. I lived in Hawaii for 25 years, and never miss an Oregon game because of Mariota. I wanted him to win the Heisman, and I want him to be our QB. Problem is, deep down I know Winston is the better choice. I don’t excuse him for what he has done, but at the same time I don’t judge him, because the fact of the matter is he wasn’t charged for the one that really matters (the rape allegation). I also know that I’ve never met the kid, so it’s unfair for me to judge his character when he’s never been convicted of a crime. True facts are that he had a 4.0 GPA in high school, a 3.6 in college, and he was accepted into Stanford. He also is 26-1 as a starter, is the only freshman to win the Heisman running a pro style offense, and he is a national champion. Those aren’t judgements, those are facts. There is no bias in my opinion, and no agenda. I want the best player for the Buccaneers. As I’ve said many times, if his character checks out, he’s the guy. The key word is “if”. I do not have the means to do the research, and neither do you. I’m not a GM, and neither are you. If he doesn’t check out, then draft someone else. I may be disappointed, but their responsibility is not to make me happy with every draft pick. Their responsibility is to win games.
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I agree. Until close to January I was all in for Mariota. But the flaws in his game are glaring. Being a great person means nothing when talking about athletes. I know a guy that’s a great person, works hard, is a fantastic leader, stands 6’3 225 lbs and can run like the wind, has tons of experience as a QB… and he’s terrible… his name is Josh McCown. When people get on here and talk about how great Mariota’s character is, how hard he works, that’s great, but can he play? The game tape does little to prove that he can.
Here’s 20 game tapes of Mariota only: http://draftbreakdown.com/players/marcus-mariota/
I’ve watched almost all of them and all these tapes have done is raise more questions than it has answers. Any Mariota supporters should feel free to look and try to come up with an opinion based on something other than numbers.
January 28th, 2015 at 4:46 pm
@Mr. Patrick,
The notion that a few fans in a bar is the pulse of the city is just plain dumb. I can’t think of a nicer way to put it. I’ve personally been around people who love Winston, and others who can’t stand him. I will say this: I was in a situation where it was me and about 5 other guys. They were all trashing Winston. I didn’t defend him as if he was my son. Those guys already made their mind up, and I wasn’t going to sit there and get into an argument with guys that I barely knew. It’s entirely plausible that the other people in the bar felt the same way. The only place I ever debate with strangers about football (or should I say argue) is on this here site. If I don’t know you, I’m not going to sit there and argue with someone at a bar about it. I’ve seen too many of those escalate, and I’m too cheap to lose my beer and wings over some idiot.
January 28th, 2015 at 4:48 pm
it’s all good guys. lol brandon. good stuff. lol
January 28th, 2015 at 4:54 pm
Jaboo with his girlfriend today.
Looks like a very nice “face of the franchise”
http://instagram.com/p/yaVULxBMQT/?modal=true
January 28th, 2015 at 4:56 pm
@Eric,
I don’t know. I’m not sure I like the look in his eyes.
January 28th, 2015 at 4:57 pm
So I was watching a 30 for 30 documentary last night, Rand U. The story of Randy Moss. It’s definitely worth watching. The kid lost 2 scholarships to Notre Dame and FSU (never knew) bc he got in a fight in HS and smoked a joint. He actually spent a week in solitary confinement bc he smoked a joint. (Mind-blown)
What’s the point? Idk, just seems like the greatest players of all time have issues.
January 28th, 2015 at 4:58 pm
she’s clearly on something. see those pupils? JK
January 28th, 2015 at 5:07 pm
Time for another poll Joe.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:08 pm
What grown man calls another grown man Jaboo?
January 28th, 2015 at 5:09 pm
Funny there are ten people that don’t think rape is a crime all ten love jameis and spend all day on JBF
January 28th, 2015 at 5:10 pm
What a jerk…..
http://instagram.com/p/xQRgFohMVc/?modal=true
January 28th, 2015 at 5:13 pm
Robert 9
Look – you’ve never met Winston. Not once. I actually have several times through my job and can tell you his “eyes” are no different than any other human I’ve encountered. If anything, he’s one of the more gregarious individuals in that Seminole locker room. Despite having met him several times, I can say, like every other person in the media and sports world, I know no more about the facts of his alleged indiscretions than you can claim to.
None of us – not a single person on this forum – knows what happened during his most serious allegation. I don’t presume him innocent nor guilty because to do so is pure speculation and ignorance. The legals system decided not to prosecute. That’s all I know and care to know.
The only facts we can say about Winston is that he has never been arrested nor has he ever been found to use any type of illegal substance. Those are facts. Anything else said is pure speculation and not based on facts.
What are facts, is that many of the top scouting minds in the industry state that Winston is the best QB prospect in the nation with an amazing ability to anticipate and make all the throws necessary to be elite in the NFL.
He exemplified an uncanny knack for winning games and leading his team back from deficits. He has all the traits and potential to be one of the best QB’s – if not the best – the Bucs have ever put under center.
I understand that his presence angers a lot of you. I believe someone above compared him to a serial killer in the comments sections. For a man who has never been arrested or been found to use illegal substances of any kind – well, that just shows how easily we fall sway to the media storm that causes the less rational of us to throw logic and objectivity out the window.
The logical choice is simple. Take the QB that scouts rave about, who has never been arrested or used illegal substances, and who showed a key knack for doing the one thing the bucs have failed to do in recent years: win.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:18 pm
Is it obsession or vendetta?
You decide.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:23 pm
Nybucsfan Says:
January 28th, 2015 at 5:09 pm
“Funny there are ten people that don’t think rape is a crime all ten love jameis and spend all day on JBF.”
More like 10 people that don’t believe it was rape at all.
Have fun in NY…Liberal La La Land.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:24 pm
And so I’ve learned one amazing stat in this thread.
There are TWO Bucs fans in Montana. That means 2% of Montana’s population love the Bucs!
January 28th, 2015 at 5:27 pm
And with the 1st pick in the 2015 NFL draft the tb bucs select Leonard Randy williams gregory from usc-neb
January 28th, 2015 at 5:28 pm
@ Brandon and Hawiaain
I’ve never just came on here and said that I want Mariota. I only said that if the Bucs insisted on drafting a QB with the #1 I would rather it be Mariota. The Bucs are nowhere near being a good team and one player, no matter who it is, is not going to turn this team around. The Bucs made a mess out of free agency last year so I’m not confident that they can miraculously improve it that way this year. Plus, when Lovie was at Chicago I don’t ever remember him drafting or playing a rookie QB as he has said that he doesn’t trust or prefer young QB’s. He even went to the Superbowl with Rex Grossman. Plus the Glazers don’t want a replay of the Josh Freeman disaster which has this franchise in this funk.
Jameis Winston is a very polarizing figure. You either love him and want him badly, or you loathe him and hope he never puts on the red and pewter. He could turn his life around and be a model citizen, or he could continue his pattern of bad behavior and make the Bucs a total laughing stock. Whatever team takes him will be inheriting a huge PR nightmare. I’m not worried about him doing something else stupid before the draft as you know he is being heavily babysat. But after he signs his pro deal and has money he could just go nuts and be a total embarrassment to the team. The team that drafts him will always hear “NO MEANS NO” chants at their away games just like at the Rose Bowl and there will be more legal civil actions against him, not to mention that awful documentart that will be shown on national TV in prime time and possibly in Congress. Just loads and loads of constant bad publicity. I guess I just want better for my team that I have followed since 1976.
Personally I hope the Bucs draft Leonatd Williams or trade down to fill some of the many holes on this roster. To me, Mariota is a super athlete and prospect but I have questions about him to. I know that just because he hasn’t played in a pro style offense doesn’t mean that he can’t but it remains to be seen. Winston’s slow, deliberate delivery will make him a turnover machine in the NFL and maybe can’t handle the pressure and adversity
and flame out like so many first rounders have done. I think they are both very overrated but have been elevated because of a very weak QB class. And I also think that this is weak overall draft class and not a great year to have the #1 pick. So that’s my thoughts and I hope that the Bucs do what they think will be the best overall for their franchise and not is what is a quick fix or the sexy or exciting pick
January 28th, 2015 at 5:30 pm
Joe-
You should charge a premium for ad space in these Jameis Watch posts. 100-200 comments every time.
If they draft this kid, good or bad, all eyes are on Tampa.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:34 pm
Ahhhh Joe. I think Jones and Johnson gave Brandt the boot because his last few drafts with the Cowboys were dreadful.
I don’t put much stock in what the doddering old man has to say.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:36 pm
Man I keep telling you guys your wasting your time, but I guess it’s a blog site, so you have to waste your time.
Keep giving your reasons over and over again. In the end the pick will be Winston.
Perhaps you’ll remember back to these weeks when I was telling you that you are wasting your time. Oh well carry on. Different day, same old ball game.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:38 pm
@ Hawiaain
Argue? lol It’s hard to argue when everybody feels the same way
January 28th, 2015 at 5:39 pm
I just hope Lovie stays away from Beef O’Bradys until after the draft.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:39 pm
@Mr. Patrick,
How many times do you think Big Ben hears “No Mean’s No” chants nowadays? I’d bet almost never. People forget, and people move on. Besides, if people even care that much about us to heckle us, that would be an improvement. If we are winning games and Winston behaves himself, those chants that you are so concerned with will fade away. If we lose, they probably won’t, but it won’t matter because he’ll be gone anyway.
You are right about one guys not being able to fix us. I don’t care who we have, we aren’t a Super Bowl team. However, you can build a team around a great QB. It’s next to impossible to build a team without one. Look at Indy before they got Luck. I’m not saying Wintson is Luck, but at the same time, you never know. It’s our best chance to win now, because no other position impacts a game like a QB. Like I said, everything has to check out first, and I truly hope they do all their homework and don’t reach. This is a critical decision for our franchise, but if we get it right, it could be very beneficial for our future.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:40 pm
And so I’ve learned one amazing stat in this thread.
There are TWO Bucs fans in Montana. That means 2% of Montana’s population love the Bucs!
………………………………………………….
Amen SPBF. I grew up in Sunset Beach and Treasure Island. Now I live up here in some of the most beautiful country in the world without a hundredth of a percent of the idiots that are in most big cities
January 28th, 2015 at 5:40 pm
87
Tomorrow to make things more interesting we should have a rule where you can’t use the words: winner, rape, video tape or 28-1.
Elevate your game boys.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:40 pm
@87
STILL LAUGHING!!!
January 28th, 2015 at 5:40 pm
Well the daily JBF Winston brainwashing is starting to take hold…..It’s amazing what daily positive reinforcemen can do.
So……I am now convinced that Winston is not a rapist……thief, vandal, vulgar….just a bit immature….but he’s only had 2 years of college….and he is 100% endorsed by every NFL Scout and Analyst…..nobody thinks Mariota is a good choice except Dungy and he doesn’t count because he doesn’t know QBs and besides….who wants to wait 3 or 4 years for a QB.
The only team in the NFL that wants Mariota is Philadelphia….but they can’t afford him.
Winston is a slam dunk no brainer choice by everyone except Robert 9 & Mr. Patrick
It’s all over…..no more drama….no controversy….Lovie, Licht, Koetter, Bajackian….and the Glazers are all-in.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:41 pm
“Argue? lol It’s hard to argue when everybody feels the same way”
——
So you know for a fact how everyone in that bar felt? Every single person. You must be one helluva social butterfly. When I go to a bar, I maybe speak to a few people, but I can’t think of one time where I had an ongoing conversation with an entire restaurant. You must some kind of fun guy to hang out with.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:42 pm
“Nybucsfan Says:
January 28th, 2015 at 5:09 pm
Funny there are ten people that don’t think rape is a crime all ten love jameis and spend all day on JBF”
More of the same classy comments that I have come to expect from you.
Do you know what my favorite part is? Even if you post the same type of thing every hour of every day, until draft day. It won’t change the outcome of the draft.
And, when the Tampa Bay Buccaneers choose Jameis Winston number one overall, I will raise my glass and toast all these same comments you have made. Cheers to Nybucsfan!! And Cheers to our new QB, Jameis Winston.
And you can’t do a thing about it.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:44 pm
Speaking for Pablo
“TBBF, Don’t forget Pablo….Pablo now is a huge Winston fan….Joe and 87 have convinced Pablo that even though Winston isn’t Hispanic…Pablo can support him” After all, Pablo knows that all very smart football minds think Winston is best….so, Pablo is all-in too”
January 28th, 2015 at 5:50 pm
Yo Joe
Stop staring a girls butts and post a new article. Preferably one about how awesome glennon is.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:50 pm
LOL @DB55 and TBBF
I see everyone’s in a good mood today.
I’ll support whoever they take, but I’ll keep saying this from now until draft day.
If they pass on Winston and he goes onto shine while we still suck…your going to have one pissed off Buc fan.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:51 pm
for all you guys who think patrick and I are alone.
I clicked on those instagram links. his pictures on there are literally PEPPERED with hatred from people all over. These are not Bucs fans, yet it follows him constantly.
@ hawaiian. It’s pretty disgusting that you say big ben gets no more rape chants……like that makes it alright if it goes away.
is this really how much sports means to people? I mean, in big bens case, it was clearly evident he was guilty, yet, it’s ok because it went away? I’m no saint by any means, but thats just disgusting in every form and fashion.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:53 pm
Im for Winston. But if we dont take him, i wont be mad. I think pick is gonna boik down to Winston Mariota and Williams.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:53 pm
Boil*
January 28th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
ODB…that’s what I keep telling them..
It’s a waste of time. They can’t do anything about it. Currently most arrows are pointing to Winston.
Don’t get mad at me when I say I told you so.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
@ Hawiaain,
Brother you and I may not be on the same page but we are in the same chapter.
With the #1 pick in the draft when you are coming off 2-14, winless at home, winless in the NFL’s worst division, and have a roster full of holes you can’t gamble or take a risk with it. You can’t miss. Neither one of these QB’s are going to help Bucs win now. Lovie and Licht know that the success of this pick may determine their job future.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:57 pm
@ Hawiaain
Why thank you. Yes I am
January 28th, 2015 at 5:58 pm
Robert…which Instagram? I clicked on the instragram and saw only one poster that had problem with him…
Did I miss something?
January 28th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
@87
The night of April 30 is going to very, very, VERY fun.
January 28th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
Okay now I clicked on the other one…You must be seeing something I’m not.
January 28th, 2015 at 6:00 pm
Peppered?
January 28th, 2015 at 6:01 pm
@Robert 9,
It’s pretty disgusting to me that you don’t have the brain capacity to understand context. Your little brain can’t comprehend such a thing, so you jump to ridiculous conclusions and put words in my mouth. But I’m having fun reading your comments today, so I’m going to explain for the simple minded. I didn’t say anything about it being right or being okay. Mr. Patrick was discussing how Winston will constantly hear chants his entire career, and that even if he is innocent, it won’t matter, the chants will still follow. That’s just simply not true. If he’s guilty, then don’t draft him. Can I be any simpler for you? But wouldn’t it be a damn shame if we passed him up and he becomes great, and we find out later he was completely innocent? Think about how much it would hurt if that happened and we got a much lesser problem in his place.
January 28th, 2015 at 6:03 pm
some of you guys are trolling, lol. How do you not see Mariota is good but definitely a product of Oregon’s offense?
No way real football heads subscribe to this site, lol
Can we speak on facts about Jameis, pls. He has NOT committed any crime. Unless one of you were in that room on that night, FALL BACK. Anything else he was in the news for is definitely no crime, just child’s play. Notice how Joe doesn’t bring it up at all? I’m sure it’s because he’s done his research like a grown man & not perpetuate propaganda and hearsay like a little girl. Had this allegation not come about, Mariota would not be in the conversation for number one overall and that’s just real. All that running around will get you no where in the NFL. That kid is gonna have to learn to sit in that pocket and deliver pro type throws. The kid is fast but so are NFL defenses, lol. I like Marcus…but not for the Bucs. Our current group of receivers would not benefit at all from Marcus as the one running the offense. We have plenty of playmakers, we don’t need a QB tucking & running anytime he feels pressure & can’t make it to his 3rd read. If you fall for the propaganda around Jameis, you’re a clown. As it stands as of today if you think Mariota is the better QB, you’re a clown.
Btw, the accuser’s account of what happened that night was not supported by the medical exam…
Joe is awesome.
Just some of his subscribers are clowns 🙁
January 28th, 2015 at 6:04 pm
This just in:
Lovie has decided to skip the draft like he did the senior bowl. Said “there’s no value in the draft, we’re sticking with our qb of the future, plus history shows I’m not very good at drafting players”
January 28th, 2015 at 6:05 pm
@ Robert 9
Beleive me, it’s a lot more than just me and you. Go look at the main post from yesterday. The vast majority of comments were from people that wanted the Bucs to do different things with the #1 pick than draft Winston. Poor 87 got so flustered that he wrote that everybody was “unfathomable” then disappeared, lol
January 28th, 2015 at 6:06 pm
As for his instagram feed being peppered with hate, so what? You know else gets peppered with hatred? Everyone. You should see what Gerald McCoy deals with on Twitter, and I’m pretty sure we can all agree he’s a model citizen. People use Social media to troll, because they are too chicken sh!t to so anything in real life.
Again, if you have a reasonable reason for not wanting Winston, that’s fine. A guy like StPeteBucFan is someone that is against Winston, but he brings up valid points. But some of you guys talking about his soulless eyes, Beef O’Brady polls, and instagram haters have lost your damn minds. Some of you have gotten so desperate that you accuse anyone who wants Winston of not being against rape! SMDH
January 28th, 2015 at 6:07 pm
hawaiian…. I read about one line of your well thought out post. you are the poster child of how someone can be well written and articulate, yet still have little to no common sense.
seriously man. you utter condesending nonsense in such a well written manner one would would think you were running for congress.
that $hit don’t fly on the playground.
January 28th, 2015 at 6:07 pm
“Godfather Stands Firm”
Into re-run season for Jameis Watch…..missed a couple of days….perhaps starting to run out of original material?
Looking forward to “Shawn King Stands Firm”
“Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 11 or fewer points.”
January 28th, 2015 at 6:15 pm
That’s right I forgot about this other prediction I made.
If the Bucs draft Winston ticket sales will go through the roof.
So that’s 4 predictions now.
Erica Kinsman will someday tell the world she lied.
Jameis Winston will win a SB within 3 years of entering the NFL.
The Bucs are going to draft Jameis Winston #1 overall.
January 28th, 2015 at 6:18 pm
@robert9,
Whatever buddy. Your panties are in a wad. I get it, it happens.
January 28th, 2015 at 6:19 pm
@DB55
Did he decide to skip free agency also? lol
January 28th, 2015 at 6:20 pm
Go look again. I wrote unfathomable at the very top of the thread, before anyone posted a damn thing…that’s how “flustered” I was.
And I was not referring to Winston. I was referring to not wanting the Bucs to draft a QB with that pick. Mariota or Winston.
Yes it still is unfathomable to me. Nothing’s changed.
Keep laughing from here until May. Judgement Day.
January 28th, 2015 at 6:20 pm
Good Ole Gil Brandt
I wonder If Joe could ask Gil, what was the real reason– he decided to draft Jeff Jeffcoat over Dan Marino.
January 28th, 2015 at 6:21 pm
Wait a second Robert is breeding. Oh damn.
January 28th, 2015 at 6:22 pm
@ Mr. Patrick & Robert 9
I mention you two……tounge and cheek…..saying you were the only ones against Winston….obviously not….NYBucsfan & Gatorbuc17 and many others like SAMCRO are with you.
My point is that with the daily bias….you can expect some falloff support for Mariota.
I choose to support Mariota for his positives rather than Winston’s negatives…..I am willing to give Winston the benefit of the doubt on the rape….but the cumulative immature activity bothers me and gives me cause for concern about him in a role as the face of the francise.
As for Mariota, I love his combination of speed, smarts and believe he can adapt quickly…..plus, he is a solid citizen.
All joking aside….I still believe very strongly that he will be the choice.
January 28th, 2015 at 6:23 pm
@ Tony
salute to you dude, you’re clearly not a bot & you are clearly a grown man who thinks for himself.
January 28th, 2015 at 6:25 pm
You can keep saying all you want that a QB wont help us win now but no 1 pick period is going to help us win now. But the right QB can help us win much more than the right anything else. Go head and try to twist it.
January 28th, 2015 at 6:26 pm
JK Robert. Ha ha ha
January 28th, 2015 at 6:28 pm
I can’t wait until this time next year to see who Joe will be posting his daily “watch” about. My early guess will be Cardale Jones. The dreaded daily “CARDALE WATCH” LOL
January 28th, 2015 at 6:34 pm
What’s fact is the accuser changed her story about 3x…
History & common sense tells us this is a trait of a liar.
@ 87ForJameis if and when she does admit to lying, I’d sue her ass for defamation, harassment & whatever else applies if I’m Jameis’ camp
January 28th, 2015 at 6:36 pm
@ Mr. Patrick
Not to worry about ” Quest for Cardale”…..we will draft a QB this year.
Won’t be Joe or 87’s choice…..but we will have a QB.
January 28th, 2015 at 6:37 pm
CruelBuc…nah I think he should take the high road. Put in the past and don’t look back.
January 28th, 2015 at 6:40 pm
Mr. Patrick Says:
January 28th, 2015 at 4:28 pm
“I was not trying to convince anybody of anything, just posting something…”
The BS meter hit “pants on fire” with that one.
Every day you spew out 20 or 30 negative posts on any thread relating to Winston – but you are not trying to convince anyone of anything…. Ohhh Kaaaay
January 28th, 2015 at 6:42 pm
@TBBF
If worse came to worse, the Bucs WOULD draft Joe and 87’s man crush and still be looking to draft a QB next year
January 28th, 2015 at 6:45 pm
@ Pickgrin
We were talking about last night. Can you not read?
January 28th, 2015 at 6:45 pm
@ 87ForJameis
I can dig it. On most days I agree with this
January 28th, 2015 at 6:56 pm
Im taking a wild guess that the more Patrick spews the more people will support Jaboo.
Keep it up.
Its like the twelve angry men. Eventually people see the hatred.
Go Jaboo.
January 28th, 2015 at 6:57 pm
It’s 5:58pm…..do you know where 87’s choice for QB is?
January 28th, 2015 at 6:58 pm
How many people here talked with the accuser?
January 28th, 2015 at 6:58 pm
It’s the second last post of this thread, but yeah, Jameis is not some on the field mega star. He has questions too…
http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60037
…of course all this debate is irrerlevant, Leonard Williams is going to be the pick. Will be nice to have a dominant pass rush again soon.
January 28th, 2015 at 7:00 pm
yah bucrightoff…and we’ll have Glennon and McCown still.
How exciting!
January 28th, 2015 at 7:00 pm
Who is JABOO? Is that his Predator name? When he is out on the hunting ground
January 28th, 2015 at 7:03 pm
Mariota>Winston>Williams.
One of these three please.
January 28th, 2015 at 7:08 pm
Leonard Williams is overrated don’t start this ish. He’ll be solid in the league not spectacular
January 28th, 2015 at 7:19 pm
@ny
Perhaps you should assign him a slave name.
Know you’re itching to.
January 28th, 2015 at 7:26 pm
I pose 1 question to the Mariota supports…is he tuff enough?? No, He’s as soft as Christmas pie and you guys know it…I didn’t like the way he went and tucked his tale either when his team was getting smashed by Ohio State…His arm/anticipation isn’t pro-ready at all..Personally I think RG3 was a much better prospect than Mariota coming out and we see what happened to him; Injury prone and still in transition…
Now this scenario??…4th quarter, less than 2 minutes, no timeouts, down by 6, 89 yards to go against a stingy/nasty NFL Defense, who do you want at QB in that moment right now present day?? Mariota or Winston??
For me it’s easy, that guy is Winston..In that moment and in the NFL you are put in that scenario almost every week….And in those weekly scenarios you need a tough guy with an edge that’s willing and able to stand in there and make ALL! the throws needed to get to the end-zone, even if it means taking a beating…
If Winston smashes the combine expect the commissioner to be holding a card with Winston’s name on it as soon as the opening bell rings…And love’em or hate’em people will come see Winston in Tampa Believe it…
January 28th, 2015 at 7:31 pm
Leonard Williams is the consensus best player in the draft. Both these QBs carry major question marks and are both 50/50 guys (50% likely good stater, 50% likely bust). Lovie legitimately believed he could go to the playoffs with Josh McCown last year (under the assumption he’d field a great defense). Leonard is plug and play and Lovie gets to be involved with him. A QB is likely sit and learn and Lovie has no involvement…
Do the math people. Or at least don’t get insanely angry when Lovie can’t stop himself. You think Lovie wants a QB over a potential dominant interior defense? No shot. It’s obvious how this is going to play out.
January 28th, 2015 at 7:34 pm
@ Eric no way your a lawyer. FYI i don’t like you bring up race every day. how do you know what nationality I am or members of my family or other people on here. Why don’t you leave race out of this.
January 28th, 2015 at 7:38 pm
Mariota has played hurt so I believe he is and he doesn’t have a rap sheet a mile long like jameis ” the hunting ground” Winston
January 28th, 2015 at 7:41 pm
Since were pulling things out of our ass, here’s my conspiracy theory. Mariota isn’t throwing at the combine because he is scared of being out shined by Winston. The injury is an excuse.
January 28th, 2015 at 7:45 pm
There is no race here on JBF……only Aristocrats & Proletariats…..You choose which group you’re in…..
And then….there is Pablo!!!
January 28th, 2015 at 7:46 pm
Did anyone hear Big Dog today at 5 when he asked the guest expert who he would choose? Hands down the choice was Winston. You could hear the milk bone drop out of Deumig’s mouth.
January 28th, 2015 at 7:50 pm
HAHAHAHA…Luck didn’t throw at the combine. It is not uncommon to not throw at the combine because they wait to have their pro days and do individual workouts with teams. Nice conspiracy theory though.
January 28th, 2015 at 7:52 pm
@ Eric
No offense but you easily have to be the biggest Racist on this site and probably the biggest fraud. Get real and use some common sense for a change
January 28th, 2015 at 7:55 pm
bucrightoff Says:
January 28th, 2015 at 7:31 pm
Leonard Williams is the consensus best player in the draft.
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Well, there you go.
January 28th, 2015 at 7:56 pm
Luck was also the #1 consensus player in his draft. No way he was not going to go #1. Also there was absolutley no question about his arm. Mariota on the other hand….
January 28th, 2015 at 7:58 pm
RG3 didn’t throw either. Doesn’t matter what you are projected. QBs don’t always throw at the combine because they don’t have to.
January 28th, 2015 at 8:01 pm
I know they dont have to but when there are questions about your game and you have a chance to prove them wrong and you decide not to… thats kinda strange. Just sayin. You can believe whatever you want but since people are saying the dumbest things on here im gonna join in. Mariota is a scared little girl!
January 28th, 2015 at 8:05 pm
The top QB’s rarely throw at the Combine nowadays. They throw at their pro days. The ones that throw at the Combine are the ones that need to show how well they can throw
January 28th, 2015 at 8:08 pm
Mariota doesn’t have to do anything but watch jameis drowned
January 28th, 2015 at 8:10 pm
It will be alright. Winston will have Obama’s flunky Al Sharpton in his corner when the heat is turned up.
January 28th, 2015 at 8:10 pm
Im accusing you guys of being racist.
Therefore, it has to be true.
See how that works?
January 28th, 2015 at 8:21 pm
The hunting ground documentary to be shown on CNN and movie theaters will torpedo Jameis Winston’s draft stock. This documentary is scheduled to be released on March 20th well before the draft and there will be tremendous pressure on the owners to not select Jameis Winston.
January 28th, 2015 at 8:23 pm
If you Winston lovers think the hunting ground will have no effect on his draft your dreaming. I bet he makes 20% of bucs fans sick and if you think there opinion doesn’t mean anything your crazy. If you owned a business would you make a move that cost 20% of sales?
January 28th, 2015 at 8:24 pm
@ Couch
Yep….proof that Mariota is a “scared little girl”….he ran for over 2200 yds in 3 years……running away from all the big tough bad boys!!!
January 28th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
As I said it will have no bearing because If they believe Jameis can win and his background is cleared, he will be a Buc and they know when he wins us football games…. all you haters will pretend you been his biggest fans this whole time.
January 28th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
The only question I would have about Mariota is dropping back from under center, which won’t show at a combine. His pro day and team workouts will answer that for the teams.
January 28th, 2015 at 8:44 pm
@TBBF
The big tough bad boys are in the NFL. He ran away from kids. Let’s see him do it in the NFL. Hopefully not as a Buc though.
January 28th, 2015 at 8:45 pm
If Winston becomes our QB I won’t be his biggest fan. Never really been a fan of our QBs. I like Freeman when he was here until he had his melt down. I prefer RBs and WRs to be fans of. Already have an Evans jersey along with my Alstott jersey.
January 28th, 2015 at 8:46 pm
Thankfully we didn’t draft Manziel. Kid is a turd through and through.
January 28th, 2015 at 8:47 pm
bucrightoff Says:
January 28th, 2015 at 7:31 pm
Leonard Williams is the consensus best player in the draft.
I’ve seen more people say Winston is the best player in this draft than any other one player.
Williams may be a stud DT but McDonald did a pretty good job last year and he’s relatively inexpensive. So while it would be awesome to have 2 studs in the middle of our DLine – that’s more of a luxury than a necessity.
We have a bunch of necessities that have to be addressed – and DT ain’t one of them. I would have loved to have drafted Aaron Donald in the last draft – knew pretty much for sure that he was going to be a stud – and I would not have been the least bit disappointed if we had called his name. But L&L did the right thing with #7 pick and got us a stud receiver instead which was admittedly a bigger need.
We have a bunch of needs including OL 2-3X – DE, MLB, Safety, Slot receiver, Nickle CB, punter, return specialist etc. But no need is greater on our team and no single position would help get us wins than securing a great talent at QB. Neither McCown or Glennon is talented enough to be a legit NFL starter. It was painful to watch both at the QB position the majority of the time either was on the field in 2014. Yes our OLine was a huge problem – but talent at QB can somewhat overcome that (see Matt Ryan). We need a real QB – and the only way to get a reasonable shot at a real franchise QB is to draft one high and hope for the best.
Jameis Winston is the best QB prospect to come out in the last 3 years and that is a pretty widely acknowledged opinion. Of course he has a couple things about his game that need improving – no barely double digits aged football player is perfect. Luck certainly didn’t grade out as perfect coming out either. And Luck still makes mistakes and throws Ints as all QBs do. But with decent, yet not really all that great NFL team around him – Luck wins a lot of football games these days and this was only his 3rd year.
That’s exactly what Winston did this year. FSU had some good players on their team this year to be sure – but there were also a # of holes on their team and much of their “talent” was extremely inexperienced. FSU would have lost at least 3-4 games in 2014 and not been top 20 probably if Jameis Winston was not their QB.
That’s what we need most – and that’s what we shall have. You don’t pass on a highly rated QB when you need one desperately – have the #1 overall pick and there are 2 talented QBs to choose from. I guarantee you the owners will see to that. They didn’t pick up the bat phone in the 2nd half of the final Saints game and order an epic tank so they could pick a DT with #1 overall pick. Get real.
Winston will be the #1 pick of the Buccaneers and MrPatrick and NYbucsfan and any others who are spewing such prolific and unjustified hate towards this young man are just gonna have to deal with it when it happens.
January 28th, 2015 at 8:49 pm
@ OhioBucs Fan
It also may be shown in Congress to support Rape legislation introduced and sponsored by a group of female Senators, one of which is in the documentary. So there’s more national TV news and horrible PR
January 28th, 2015 at 8:50 pm
I’ve never really been a big fan of any of our QBs either. Winston would be the first. I’d buy his jersey immediately. I’m not sure how anyone can’t get excited over a QB with his accomplishments. At least anybody who hasent absolutely convinced themselves that he’s a rapist.
January 28th, 2015 at 8:57 pm
How do you get excited over a rapist
January 28th, 2015 at 8:58 pm
You can buy his jersey prolly have strips
January 28th, 2015 at 8:58 pm
@Pickgrin,
2013 was probably the weakest at QB. 2014 had some better ones, but not great. It is easy to say Winston and Mariota are the best prospects to come out.
January 28th, 2015 at 9:00 pm
@Pickgrin
Almost every one of the so called draft experts and Gurus have Williams at the top of their boards and agree that he is the top player in the draft. In the pros he is projested to play LDE. Mike Mayock compares him to J.J. Watt and said he could have the same impact. After he blows up the combine with his 285 lbs. he will start to get the publicity that the 2 QB’s are getting now and will be obvious top pick. Of all of the boards I’ve seen so far, the highest I’ve seen Winston is #3 and most still have Mariota ranked higher
January 28th, 2015 at 9:00 pm
I can’t get excited about a QB coming out of college until they prove themselves in the NFL. In the NFL today there are only a handful of QB jerseys I would buy if I was a fan of that team.
January 28th, 2015 at 9:03 pm
I like the jameis Big Ben comparison. Both should be in jail and has Jimbo fisher ever had a QB taken in the first round that’s not a bust? Really good pro system
January 28th, 2015 at 9:06 pm
Jameis Winston is the best QB prospect to come out in the last 3 years and that is a pretty widely acknowledged opinion.
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No it’s not. If it were, he’d be a stone cold lock to go #1 in the draft. He could in theory fall out of the top 10. The best prospect available does not have any change of sliding. That you think he’s the best prospect available is not the consensus. The top two of almost all boards are Williams and Mariota.
January 28th, 2015 at 9:08 pm
How do you get excited over a rapist
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Allow me to repeat myself….
I’m not sure how anyone can’t get excited over a QB with his accomplishments. At least anybody who hasent absolutely convinced themselves that he’s a rapist.
January 28th, 2015 at 9:14 pm
The difference between the two QBs is that Mariota has ZERO bust potential.
January 28th, 2015 at 9:18 pm
I just don’t see Winston getting drafted by the team who just purged every player with character issues. Coach Schiano seemed to be hired solely to restore discipline to the team. And then to turn and pick a player like Winston?
It would go against the trend.
January 28th, 2015 at 9:20 pm
zero bust potential? Your crazy. Lol
January 28th, 2015 at 9:26 pm
Everyone has bust potential.
January 28th, 2015 at 9:29 pm
Patrick
“In the pros he is projested to play LDE.”
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Thank you, I’ve been asking this for a month now.
January 28th, 2015 at 9:43 pm
I said what I meant Couch. NOBODY has ever breathed the word bust in the same sentence as Mariota’s name. The Worst you have heard is that he may take a year or two to adjust. Like I said. ZERO bust potential
Winston has it in spades.
That last pun was intended for all of you race card pulling idiots
January 28th, 2015 at 9:47 pm
Touché – I was about to say nice choice of words.
January 28th, 2015 at 9:49 pm
Robert 9 Says:
January 28th, 2015 at 2:43 pm
lol
can’t afford to do anything silly between now and the draft.
it’s after the draft that is the issue. I’m sure he’ll be nice and presentable up till then……even serial killers take a break till the heat cools down.
NO! They do not! Pick up a book, read it, and stop watching so much t.v.
January 28th, 2015 at 9:52 pm
Nybucsfan Says:
January 28th, 2015 at 8:57 pm
How do you get excited over a rapist
Jameis Winston character is better than yours.
January 28th, 2015 at 10:14 pm
@Tanard Talib
Exactly. Plus Lovie has continually said he doesn’t have faith in or trust young QB’s
January 28th, 2015 at 10:19 pm
Lol yea is it. I never raped, publicly degraded women, stole crab legs, shot windows out, stole from a fast food restaurant, signed anything for money but I did give a mother and her two kids 12 dollars to cover the rest of her grocery bill that she was short on today
January 28th, 2015 at 10:26 pm
Bravo Joe…209 comments and counting.
Joe knows what he’s doing.
January 28th, 2015 at 10:27 pm
Everybody seems to acknowledge that Luck was a safer pick than Winston is, but I’m curious, who would be the next guy? Stafford? Ryan? Who?
January 28th, 2015 at 10:28 pm
gatrbuc17 ….I think Mariota is going to be a bust.
Okay now that’s prediction #5.
January 28th, 2015 at 10:30 pm
@ Nybucsfan
Also, did you ever publically shout obsenities that got you suspended from a game?
January 28th, 2015 at 10:31 pm
Nice work NYBuc. That is the kind of stuff that comes back to you tenfold
January 28th, 2015 at 10:31 pm
Couch Fan Says:
January 28th, 2015 at 8:50 pm
“I’ve never really been a big fan of any of our QBs either. Winston would be the first. I’d buy his jersey immediately.”
THIS coming from a Gators fan. You mean to tell me it’s not all just FSU homers?
January 28th, 2015 at 10:34 pm
Hey 87 I appreciate you and all but your prediction of Jameis winston winning a SB in the first three yrs of his career already blew your prediction credibility
January 28th, 2015 at 10:34 pm
@ 87
STILL LAUGHING!!!
January 28th, 2015 at 10:35 pm
@Couch
I could be wrong….but I don’t think Mariota missed a game in college……think he may be a bit tougher than you think!!!
January 28th, 2015 at 10:36 pm
You want links?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000464703/article/jeremiah-jameis-winston-readymade-for-rookie-impact
January 28th, 2015 at 10:39 pm
I wish Joe would switch to a lifefyre chat format. MUCH more chat friendly.
January 28th, 2015 at 10:41 pm
I write for a NFCN and NFCS site that every article regularly gets thousands of hits. Just not enough Bucs fans for me to hang out there alot.
January 28th, 2015 at 10:41 pm
The debate over QBs has really degenerated…..in particular over the rape allegation.
I’m a Mariota supporter that would be OK if the Bucs (after due diligence) chose Winston.
This rape issue is not going to be resoved….possibly ever….
What does unfortunately remain is the cloud….and yes, the PR nightmare for Winston and the team that takes him. It may subside over time and it will certainly depend on Winston’s behavior.
As Buc fans, we need to be prepared for all three decisions…..Mariota, Winston or Trade Down……
Buc Fans……it is we….who are also on the clock.
I will be doing everything I can to help bring us together before, when and after we make the pick.
January 28th, 2015 at 10:43 pm
Kumbaya!
January 28th, 2015 at 10:45 pm
I may cry like a girl if we dont pick Winston but I’ll support whatever we do.
January 28th, 2015 at 10:49 pm
Couch…no worries. No worries.
January 28th, 2015 at 10:51 pm
I know that I will have this page open that day as some of you may too
January 28th, 2015 at 10:55 pm
Oh we’ll all be here.
I’ll have my red and pewter streamers and confetti drop in my Buc cave.
Beer in the fridge. Crab legs in the pot. The TV on surround sound. I might even DVR it so I can hear that name called over and over again.
Oh yah don’t forget about the marine horn too…. that’s essential.
January 28th, 2015 at 10:57 pm
Good to hear….reasoned thinking…..from what I read, there are many who may have difficulty making the adjustment.
Some of the Lovie hate has subsided IMO…..I think because of the Koetter & Bajakian hires….along with the obvious improvement with the defense later in the year.
Fans also know that he has been granted another year by the owners so they have to accept that.
I am very hopeful we can get this offense turned around with a few key pieces.
Two new Oline pieces…..QB (even a rookie)…..further development of ASJ, ME13 & Sims….and most of all…..coaching!!!
January 28th, 2015 at 11:21 pm
I still think our pick will get leaked 3 weeks or so before the draft.
January 28th, 2015 at 11:25 pm
TBBF
I would say 4 possibilities. Mariota, Winston, Williams, trade down.
January 28th, 2015 at 11:56 pm
Good night all.
Good luck at your Klan meeting NY @ Patrick.
January 28th, 2015 at 11:59 pm
I posted a few weeks ago about Payton’s indiscretions at Tennessee, no one paid attention. Daniel Marino dropped to the Dolphins because of character issues, no one remembers, this list is very long. Jamies was accused but never charged with a crime. In fact he was cleared of all charges. The screaming incident at FSU, if that had been Steven Bench at USF, would anyone had given it 2 seconds of publicity? The answer is no … In fact, does anyone on this site know who the hell Bench is? Point is, do you want a qb or do you want a great citizen? Differ was an outstanding citizen and teammate. Bobby Lane was a bad ass, so was Jurgensen, Naimath, Stabler, McMahon, Farvre … You want Dilfer or any of the bad asses? That is the bottom line, we are not recruiting for St Mary’s choir, we need a qb! That is reality, so grow up, football is not Sunday morning choir, it is a violent game where bad asses survive. God bless Mariota, he will be a bust.
January 29th, 2015 at 12:09 am
Ha ha ha ha Eric.
January 29th, 2015 at 12:50 am
OK – well I made a post about 3 hours ago in response to the “Williams is the consensus best player in the draft” contention – which I had already refuted.
Joe has had it “awaiting moderation” ever since – perhaps because I provided links to Big Boards for 9 draftniks.
The results showed that 5 of the 9 had Winston at the top of their board – and all but 1 had him either 1st or 2nd. The other 4 were split between Mariota and Williams at the top of the board. 3 of the 9 had Mariota out of the top 5 but still in the top 10.
Small sample size and it’s early of course – but the point was that Williams is certainly not the “consensus best player”. It is a mix between Winston, Mariota and Williams – depending on who is giving their opinion. But Winston is at the top of more draft boards than any other single player coming out – which is what I said before.
January 29th, 2015 at 3:27 am
Being a fan since the begining, I just want a QB that wins. I dont care if he curses, I dont care if he gets an extra sip of coke, I also dont care if he bangs women, he just needs to be able to tell the difference between a woman and a gold digger, which I am sure he can be taught. As far as the crablegs? Guilty, but let us not forget, he is still a kid and I am positive that the NFL as made alot of kids grow up. Ive watched both QB’s and by far Winston isnt perfect, but damn he can make throws that MM will have to be taught an may not ever be able to drop the football in between LB and a safety like Winston can. A true bucs fan would want the best possible QB, an if you watch yhe season, in tbis case…. yez the stats do lie…Winston is the better QB
January 29th, 2015 at 7:06 am
Williams can play DT AND DE. He could be on one side playing DE, while GMC is tearing through on the other side. Hard to triple team two beasts like that w/o someone like LVD busting through unblocked for a sack. The QB’s will at least be pressured a lot more with Williams. And if GMC goes gets injured, he can step in.
The Williams pick is a no brainer for me unless we’re trading back and getting very well compensated.
January 29th, 2015 at 7:18 am
HAHAHA Eric remember when you told everyone you where a lawyer lol.
January 29th, 2015 at 10:02 am
Nybucsfan….my brother is a lawyer. It acts just about the same way as Eric does. They aren’t priests or ministers.
My brother also believes the girl has no case and is going to lose, if not have it thrown out of court. He’s also been a defense lawyer and prosecutor for over 20 years.
January 29th, 2015 at 11:02 am
Did he go to FSU. I have a cuz who is a lawyer and people have went to jail with way less evidence than they have
January 29th, 2015 at 11:07 am
ESPN lawyer said it certainly looks like FSU covered things up so there boy could play. Look at all the things he did in two years he missed one game that’s a joke. FSU looks like a joke wonder how he paid for his lawyer that FSU helped him get.
January 29th, 2015 at 11:15 am
YES!
Yes he did go to FSU, but here’s the kicker. He prefers Mariota over Winston, because of Winston’s off the field problems. He’s not a Buc fan, he’s a Pat’s fan. Yet he says she has no case.
His son goes to FSU as well. My nephew told me way back when this all happened that the word on campus was that the girl wanted to hook up with Jameis full time and when he told her his GF was coming into to town she lost it on him. She starting hitting and pushing him around the apartment and that’s when things got physical.
Kind of the same story that’s been coming out from Winston’s friends these days. Except my nephew told me that at Christmas 2013.
January 29th, 2015 at 11:18 am
” people have went to jail with way less evidence than they have”
Including innocent people. But, hey, why worry about people’s rights, aye?
January 29th, 2015 at 11:19 am
So it’s very plausible to me that investigators believed his side of the story more, because he had witnesses and her story kept changing.
I don’t think 15-20 people investigating would risk there careers, reputation, and possible jail time to cover-up what happened.
I mean would you? Somebody would have cracked by now and came forward.
January 29th, 2015 at 11:22 am
If you have a $60,000 per year salary.
Would you risk that by protecting a rape suspect?
January 29th, 2015 at 11:29 am
Well the Federal Government has been conducting a Title IX investigation of FSU concerning whether they conducted a proper investigation of the incident after notification.
Getting ripe for a decision on that I would think.
From what I can gather it seems the University did what they could given the fact the alleged victim in the case would not meet and cooperate with them, just as she had refused contact with law enforcement.
Complaining about an investigation you refuse to participate in is perplexing.
But, we shall see.
January 29th, 2015 at 11:38 am
OhioBucsFan The hunting ground doc will have zero affect on his draft stock.. She can’t say anything we don’t already know. All the reports have been released… Actually i take that back, she has changed her story 3 times so maybe we will hear a different version. Maybe this time her story will be after she got willingly on the back of his scooter and willingly told her so called attacker where she lived, maybe they willingly stopped and got breakfast on the way home..
January 29th, 2015 at 11:41 am
Would you risk your current job to protect a rape suspect?
Would 15-20 people risk there job?
Crickets!
January 29th, 2015 at 11:47 am
I will buy season tickets for the first time ever if the Bucs draft Winston. Finally we will have a franchise quarterback for the first time in the history of the franchise(except when we had Steve Young but we of course traded him away).
The guy has Andrew Luck ability and is perhaps more clutch.
January 29th, 2015 at 12:04 pm
One of Erica’s versions :
“I did not get into the cab willingly. I wouldn’t say that I was forced into the cab, but I believe that I was scared,” she said. “Scared because these are three men who I’ve never met who are all very much bigger than me,” she said. “Scared about what would happen if I didn’t get into the cab. It was just a fear kind of feeling.”
But, her own friend Monique Kessler had a much different version:
At one point, [the accuser] showed Monique her phone and there was a text on it that said “meet me out front”. Monique knew the number was not programmed in [the accuser’s] phone because the number appeared in the display bar instead of a name that would be saved with it. [The accuser] looked at Monique and asked “should I go?” Monique replied, “you can go” and “within a few seconds” [the accuser] was gone…
Monique never changed her version to any investigators.
Don’t tell me, Monique is covering for Jameis, right?
January 29th, 2015 at 12:30 pm
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