The Bucs And A Tight End

May 7th, 2013
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Yesterday, Joe brought the interview of Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik conducted by “Movin’ the Chains” co-hosts Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan, heard exclusively on SiriusXM NFL Radio.

Immediately following the interview, both Kirwan and Ryan had a few things to say about the Bucs, specifically about the Bucs’ tight end situation.

Both seem to be concerned that the Bucs have not addressed the tight end position, aside from acquiring Packers backup Tom Crabtree, who left Ryan rather flat.

Tim Ryan: Pat at one point the Bucs were 6-5 and I did the Carolina game where [Josh] Freeman led them down the end with some great drives and terrific dimes, throws to Vincent Jackson and Dallas Clark for the win. Then they lose four of their next five games. I still think – it sounds like Dallas Clark is ready to hang it up and go into retirement – I guess Tom Crabtree has the skill sets. I guess, but to me he is more of a blocker than a receiving tight end. I don’t believe they have that guy on the roster as I see it.

Pat Kirwan: I don’t either. That is why I asked if they were still in the hunt for somebody. I mean, they are not going to show their hand to us which is totally understandable but I agree with you. I think you have to go get a tight tend. Maybe in the back of their minds they think Clark may come back and you can get him late for the short term. For Bucs fans, go look at who drafted tight ends. Is there a veteran one of those teams who may be threatened and therefore, expendable? Go at it that way and see if you can come up with a name no one is thinking about now.

Kirwan brings up a good point. Who drafted tight ends? That is likely where you will see a tight end cut.

Now Joe is told the Bucs have high hopes for Crabtree. No, he didn’t show a lot of offense, but the Bucs believe he has the skills to go down the middle to haul in passes. It’s just that he had little opportunity stuck behind Jermichael Finley on the depth chart.

Now Joe also spoke with someone who was with Josh Freeman out in public a week or so ago. One fan went up to Freeman and asked if the Bucs were going to draft a tight end. Freeman shrugged and said, in so many words, don’t bank on it because in Mike Sullivan’s offense, the tight end is not utilized often.

This would explain why Dominik has not made a splash in getting a tight end. What’s the point of getting a stud tight end if he isn’t used in the Bucs offense?

So go ahead and take the Kirwan test. What tight end is vulnerable to getting cut because his team drafted a tight end? And could said tight end be in play for the Bucs?

60 Responses to “The Bucs And A Tight End”

  1. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    If Dominik & Schiano feel comfortable with Stocker and Crabtree in that role then I support their decision. They certainly know more about the Bucs needs than some analyst. But yes, it’s still possible they’ll add another guy to the mix before the season starts.

  2. stevek Says:


    Schiano and Dominick have an idea of what the “team needs” are, but their guess is as good as ours.

    The only difference is they are paid members calling the shots for the Bucs, so obviously their finger prints are all over this team.

    It doesn’t mean their view is “better”.

    We are still a last place team in 4 out of the last 5 years, so we are what our record says we are: subpar.

    2013 will be a true measure of where this team is headed in the next couple of years.

    Personally, I would be more comfortable with signing a TE that gets cut in the near future?

  3. robert Says:

    does Jfro need probowl RB, WR, OL and a fricken pro bowl TE to do something?

    a good QB can make an average TE look great.

  4. Vern4499 Says:


    I find it silly of that you believe that your guess is as good as Doms or Schianos when it comes to what the Bucs needs are or what fits best for the Bucs tight ends or any other position for that matter! Their “guess” as you call it is based off of hours upon hours of film study on players. Not to mention you don’t know what fits their scheme as well as they do. Unless you are on the coaching staff and are only here to mingle with fans. Try are paid professionals and we are not. So something tells me their “guess” is betters than yours.

  5. WestCoastBucsFan Says:


    “their guess is as good as ours”

    No its not.

    I dont understand this sentiment among some fans. Our opinions simply do not match those running things at One Buc. We may REALLY like or love football but these guys (Dom, Schiano, etc) live, eat, and breath football 24/7. The people running this team were not chosen at random and they just happen to be there at the right time. Their full time job is evaluating/coaching players and it has been for the majority of their lives. There is simply no comparison.

    “The only difference is they are paid members calling the shots for the Bucs”

    That and a couple decades of experience in football related work.

    It is as if you are saying the opinions a corporate CEO has for his huge corporation hold as much weight as ours. That’s just not how it works. The worst GM in the league still could run this team about ten times better than anybody posting here based on experience alone.

    We are just fans speculating in the comment section of a blog.

  6. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    And Vern beat me to it. lol

  7. Vern4499 Says:

    Lol. WestCoast I agree with everything you said sir.

  8. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    Thanks Vern.

    Sometimes it just amazes me that some people think all it takes to be a GM is signing certain guys. Click a button and *poof* he is on the roster. Never taking into account the actual language that goes into each contract and whether said player even wants to be here for various reasons? (Maybe a Panther/Saints fan growing up? haha) Never taking future salary cap into account. Never thinking of the opportunity that is taken away from a younger player with upside by signing an aging vet. There are so many factors but some people here just see “X” player is available and we have money, Dom must suck because he isn’t here.

    Patience guys, this will be the season it all clicks.

  9. stevek Says:

    West Coast, Vern, and other devout fans,

    We were 7-9 last year, dead last in pass D.

    Our guess can’t be much worse than theirs. 🙂

    On a serious note, do Dom and Schiano have a crystal ball to see what TEs will be made availalbe between now and the roster cut down to 53, no…

    So, a lot can happen, and you have hear Dom say, “We always look at improving the competition on this team”. So, anything is possible.

    The beauty of this country is to have the freedom of speach, and the freedom to be heard. I read these posts every day, excited to see what other Buc fans are thinking, and a lot of fans make great points.

    Don’t devalue an opinion of another just because they are not the Bucs GM or head coach.

    What is the point of having a dicussion board, if the only people who “know anything” are Dom/Schiano.

    They run a tight ship, and it is exciting to speculate about the well-being of our beloved Bucs.

    West Coast says: “The worst GM in the league still could run this team about ten times better than anybody posting here based on experience alone.”

    Maybe? Who knows? “anybody posting here” is a pretty broad term.

    I was called a “Matt Millen” like for the truth I shed on Tavon Austin, and I will continue to add my point of view.

    After all, it is really fun to speculate about which direction the team will go in. I am hoping for 2013: winning recor, playoffs, and an established Buc QB.

  10. stevek Says:


    I find it “silly” that you devalue any opinion other than Dom’s or Schianos…

    Why even read the message post boards.

    Why be limited with your opinion, just because it is not 100% with Dom or Schianos?

    Who cares? We want playoffs, superbowls, and a winning team.

    Until the Bucs get back to the playoffs, it is more than fair to unload some blogging opinions on where the team should go.

    After all, Dom said, “We made the trade in the 4th with Philly to puck Stocker, as he has a 2nd round grade”. Does he? I hope so, because TE is looking questionable right now.

    So, we will see? 4 last place finished in the division over the last 5 years speaks for itself.

  11. stevek Says:

    West Coast says: “There are so many factors but some people here just see “X” player is available and we have money, Dom must suck because he isn’t here. ”

    Yeah, I sure do. I was bellowing for Revis, and Tavon Austin > Eifert, and 2012-not drafting Mo Claibourne.

    Until I see the next Sapp, Brooks, Lynch, and Barber out on D, I will have my questions. It may be unfair, but we have won the super bowl before, and I would love to see my team have a taste for the NFL crown, again.

  12. KMAC1322 Says:

    The only options I see, going by Kirwans logic, is Brent Celek and Jason Witten. Both players have new rookie TEs who are supposed to be top notch TEs. I dont see the Bucs trading to get either one of these players nor do I see either one of the teams giving up these players, this year. With that said I think Crabtree is very underrated, I have seen this guy make a lot of plays for GB when given the opportunity. The main thing I like about him is that he can block. Bucs are going to pound the ball this year and a blocking TE is more beneficial to us right now. We have plenty of weapons and I am sorry but if Freeman cannot succeed in this offense, maybe one of the most stacked offenses the Bucs have ever had, he needs to be canned!!!

  13. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Stevek’s viewpoints are emblematic of what is wrong with a certain percentage of the Bucs fan base. They actually believe, and I know this is hilarious, that their opinion is just as “valuable” as that of an NFL head coach or GM. If this wasn’t so sad it would be unbearably funny.

    The delusion of self-importance someone must suffer to believe like that is amazing. It’s the equivalent of me walking into a doctor’s office and telling him, with a straight face, that because I used to watch the television show E.R. every week that my opinion of how he should treat his patients is just as important as his own. This despite the fact that he went to four years of college, four years of medical school, at least two years of residency and however many years since then of treating patients in real life. I would be laughed out of there and rightfully so.

    These coaches and GM’s have spent their entire adult lives around the game of football being coached, played and managed at the highest levels. It’s all they do and it’s all they’ve ever done. They have access to the very best information, analysis and resources. This is who they are and what they do, day in and day out. To come into the conversation as a “fan” who watches television or goes to games, or reads online resources, etc, and think you’re on the same playing field as these guys is not only delusional it’s downright disrespectful.

  14. stevek Says:

    What is Dom’s record as GM? 24 up and 40 down?

    Yeah, I think it is safe to have fan opinions being weighed in, just as severlal UDFAs come here to try out. They come here to try and prove they are better than a draft selection by the so called “experts”.

    If Ozzie Newsome was our GM, then I would sit back in awe, because we would win, win, and win some more.

    Until we have a winner, all opinions and ideas should be heard, because 24-40 is just not winning football

    Simply put, losing raises questions and winning cures all.

  15. Vern4499 Says:


    Did I devalue your opinion? Sorry if I hurt your feelings. You make statements that your guess is as good as Doms or Schianos is like me saying I saw an X-ray of RG3s knee and thinking I know better than Dr. Andrews. Which would be silly for me to think. I read the message boards for the articles and to I retract with other fans. From now on I will agree with everything you say.

  16. WestCoastBucsFan Says:


    You missed the point entirely. It is very fun to speculate. We are all more than welcome to do so. You specifically said that your “guess” is as good as Dom and Schiano’s.

    I will call you out when you make blanket statements that are obviously false.

    You are free to make all the observations you want but don’t start comparing your football knowledge to guys that spend more time watching film than time you spend at your job.

  17. stevek Says:

    FLBoyInDallas Says:

    May 7th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

    “Stevek’s viewpoints are emblematic of what is wrong with a certain percentage of the Bucs fan base. They actually believe, and I know this is hilarious, that their opinion is just as “valuable” as that of an NFL head coach or GM. If this wasn’t so sad it would be unbearably funny”

    ^^ Incorrect, but it is SILLY, FOOLISH, and LIMITING on your own part to sit back and digest losing.

    I know my thoughts, opinions, and view points may not coincide with yours, Dom’s, or Schiano’s, and who cares?

    As far as your Dr.’s office comparison, you are missing the point. I am not a genius, GM, or Head Coach of an NFL team, but I love Buccaneer football, and I will have my opinions until we start winning.

    The head coaches and GMs have a career in football, true. Do they have a winning career? Yeah, not so far…

  18. lightningbuc Says:


    Vern, FL boy in Cowboy Land, and San Francisco Buc Fan are three of Dominik’s favorite lotion boys so they will rip anything you say about the alleged “rock star”, no matter how much proof you throw at them about his ineptness.

  19. FLBoyInDallas Says:


    It’s one thing to have an opinion. We all have them. But to say that an NFL franchise should start taking public votes on how to run their organization and get public permission prior to making personnel decisions is ludicrous.

    Just because I don’t back such silly delusional ideas doesn’t mean I accept losing. Dominik & Schiano have this team heading in the right direction and they will improve every year. I think most of the fan base agrees with that. They are on the uptrend, not on the downtrend as they were under Rah.

    Stop judging them on what they used to be and start looking at the direction they’re moving in. It’s exciting times to be a Bucs fan again just like back in the late 90’s.

  20. stevek Says:

    lightning buc,

    Thanks for the other side of the coin. I LOVE READING BUCs NEWS and READING FAN OPINIONS.

    24-40, usually leads to questions/opinions. Why sit back and just enjoy mediocrity, losing, and last place finishes?

    Obviously the HC and GM are in place to win some football games. Schiano is doing a great job, and Dominick has done much better the last 2 years.

    Are we there yet? The season will be here soon enough.

  21. stevek Says:

    FLBoyInDallas says:

    “They are on the uptrend, not on the downtrend as they were under Rah.”

    -last I checked, Raheem won 10 games for Dom and Buc Nation in 2010, take 10-6 away and Dom is 14-38 as GM, awful record.

    Exciting will be as soon as we improve on the 7-9 last year, and make the playoffs.

  22. WestCoastBucsFan Says:


    Is your “proof” the win/loss record? That seems to be the only argument left and it really is a non-argument. Half of Dom’s seasons were with first year head coaches. It is very rare to have a winning season in a coaches first year. Harbaugh in San Francisco and Gruden are the exceptions, not the rule.

    What is your “proof”? Are you going bring up three year old transactions (or non-transactions, Haynesworth) as your proof? Give me a break.

  23. WestCoastBucsFan Says:


    I really think you are missing what people are saying about your post. Nobody is criticizing you for having an opinion. They are criticizing you for saying that your “guess” is as good as the Bucs front office. Nothing else, just that statement.

  24. Vern4499 Says:


    You couldn’t be more wrong. Do I agree with everything Dom does? No! But I also don’t believe I know more about football operations and scheme than him. It’s what he does for a living! As I stated before to think I know better than him is ridiculous. I do think Dom has done better the last couple of years. And want him to be the best GM in the NFL. Call it what you will. I call it being a Bucs fan.

  25. WestCoastBucsFan Says:


    If we are cherry picking which seasons to remove then why not his first season? Why not his third? His record looks considerably better when you remove either of those.


    Same here. If you point out someones flaws in their logic and it happens to be about Dom then you are a Dom lover. No way around it because these are the same people with the flawed logic to begin with.

  26. Biff Barker Says:

    If there is a chance at a significant upgrade, the Bucs will pull the trigger in a heartbeat. BUT, if you think for a second that we’ll go with a pure receiving TE, you’ve been doing some serious couch time with Tanard.
    Blockiing is not undervalued in our scheme. We do have DMart after all. Besides, I’m convinced we can create coverage mismatches throwing from a two TE set. Both Stocker and Crabtree have adeqate hands for this Flashy? Nope. Move the chains? Yup.

  27. lightningbuc Says:

    Every time someone criticizes the “rock star”, his lovers accuse us of thinking we know more than him. That’s so stupid. I realize he knows more about football than me. Unfortunately, I DON”T think he knows more about football than the majority of the other GM’s in the NFL, and therein lies the problem. Quit with the crap that we think we know more.

  28. Joe D. Says:

    Anthony Fasano, or Tony Moeaki from the Chiefs?

    Jason Witten and Jermaine Gresham’s cap hits would be too big, and the Eagles don’t need the money that they’d cut Brent Celek, and I don’t see any way the 49ers ditch Davis, he’s too important. None of the other names excite me…

  29. Broy3434 Says:

    So Stevek you’re saying you won’t be satisfied until we have a HOF lb cb safety and dt? Then u might wanna just give up on football. Defenses don’t come around like that very often

  30. WestCoastBucsFan Says:


    stevek specifically said his guess was as good as the GMs. No one is coming out of left field accusing people of claiming to know more than Dom.

    Also, where is the “proof” of this ineptness you speak of. I genuinely want to know because the only thing I hear people complain about is the win/loss record. A terrible argument for several reasons. Either that or people pointing to REALLY OLD transactions as “proof”. I am sure you can only offer the same so you probably wont provide any “proof” because there simply isn’t enough bad to “prove” the bad out weighs the good.

  31. HugoSchtiglitz Says:

    Maybe Dom & Schiano haven’t gone to great lengths to sign Dallas Clark or any other vet TE because they’re pretty much content with what’s on the roster and confident that groups’ capabilities of handling the demands of playing TE in Sullivan’s system. Maybe we’ll be seeing more 3-WR sets, which could cut into the amount of reps a TE can get, or maybe Luke Stocker is the answer and we’ve yet to see him after another year of development. Stocker’s performance against ATL got his foot in the door, hopefully with time and development he can be that Swiss-army TE we need.

  32. Max Says:

    also remember the bucs were flirting with martellus bennet

  33. stevek Says:

    West Coast,

    My guess is as good as Dom’s, in regards of what TE will be available after roster cut downs?

    Run with the words, run Forrest run.

    I just want to see my Bucs make a run into the playoffs. Please feel free to point out what I say, I am not a GM, just a competitive fan.

  34. Vern4499 Says:


    Obviously you don’t read all the comments. No one accused anyone of saying anything that they didn’t write. He specifically said that his guess was as good as Doms and Schianos. Read all the comments then you can tell us what you think about what we say.

  35. stevek Says:

    West Coast,

    OPEN YOUR EYES, and look at the record books. Dom is 24-40, with 40% of his wins coming under Raheem in 2010. Numbers don’t lie.

    FLBoyInDallas- said it was “worse” with Raheem, but he won more games?

    This is a big year for the Bucs, I can feel it, but don’t take my word for it as I am not a an NFL GM, so my guess isn’t as good as anyone’s… 😉

  36. Theodore Says:

    Maybe stevek is Dom or Schiano. There, now his statement is true and we can move one to the topic at hand:

    Sign Tebow and make him a TE!

  37. stevek Says:


    Read the record book! 24-40 calls for a fan opinion, much better than sitting around counting the losses and throwing blind faith at a bad GM performance.

    The 2012 draft/offseason was huge for Dom, just as this year was too. It is time to win some games, as these moves were made to win games.

    If we don’t win games, miss the playoffs, and have another last place finish in the NFC South, then will fan opinions be looked at?

    NO sh!t the GM and HC have a better idea of “football opinions” than myself, I would absolutely hope so.

    But, if all you do is lose, lose, lose, then questions/opinions will be formed.

  38. stevek Says:

    Broy3434 Says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
    So Stevek you’re saying you won’t be satisfied until we have a HOF lb cb safety and dt? Then u might wanna just give up on football. Defenses don’t come around like that very often

    ^^ Winning satisfies me.

  39. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    Talking to a brick wall here.

  40. stevek Says:

    West Coast,

    I feel the exact same way. I am justly on my opinion, as you are on yours. I got respect for you.

    For the record: my opinion is not on the same level as Schiano or Doms.

    Dom’s record: 24-40, exactly a 37.5% winnining percentage, so for all intensive purposes, statistically speaking, at worst my opinion could be 37.5% less “winning” than Dom’s.

  41. Vern4499 Says:


  42. lightningbuc Says:


    Steve said his guess is as good as theirs, not that he thinks he know more about football than Dom.

    Dom began his ineptness with his very first move as a GM – trading up to “reach” for Josh Freeman in the first round. That pick was widely criticized at the time – that isn’t something I’m saying 4 years later now that we’ve seen Freeman play. It was a big reach. And if you are going to blame that on Raheem, then don’t give Dom credit for the first 3 picks last year. Either he takes responsibility for all or none of the picks.

    His accumulation of talent, or lack thereof, in the secondary last year, more specifically with cornerbacks, was dreadful. That alone cost the Bucs 3-4 games last year. He put all his eggs in Eric Wright’s basket and it didn’t work.

    These are a few examples, along with his awful winning percentage. What proof are you able to provide that he isn’t inept? All teams make good draft picks, sign free agents, swing a few trades. Good GMs put out an entire 53 man roster that WINS – and wins consistently!

  43. BucWiley Says:

    I wish Stevek and lightningbuc were the GMs of the Saints and Falcons.

  44. Vern4499 Says:

    Buc Wiley,

    Great post. Haha

  45. stevek Says:


    Why would you wish that? We are proud Buc Fans, and EXPECT a winner.

    If a Winner is not provided, then opinions, thoughts, suggestions, and even displeasure will be voiced.

    You can take your candy ace attitude up the road to Jacksonville, home of the Gabberts….

    Are Lightning Buc and myself not “true” buc fans because we hate losing? Nope, we just take winning seriously.

    2011 was the worst year of football I have ever seen from this team. Why, you ask? Because these BUMS SIMPLY GAVE UP. It was pathetic!

    I wish I was their coach, I would have all of the loafers running laps around the field on game days, just to ensure they actually get the work necessary in to win.

    The Bucs would toe the line until they put a winner together. The assembly of talent is present, now it is time to step up and become winners, Josh Freeman it starts with you.

    Freeman sets the tone to the season, he shows mental weakness, and an inability to call proper plays when the head set goes out, then throw Glennon in there.

    The Buc players go to work each day, and they are either getting better or getting worse.

    Freeman has regressed, by not showing 2010 form. Time for the 2010 Josh Freeman to wake up and lead his team to victory.

  46. stevek Says:

    BucWiley Says:

    May 7th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
    I wish Stevek and lightningbuc were the GMs of the Saints and Falcons.

    Vern4499 Says:

    May 7th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
    Buc Wiley,

    Great post. Haha

    ^^^^ So funny! About as funny as 24-40, losing streaks, no playoffs, and a QB that looks color blind for 25% chunks of the season at a time.

    You all can laugh and rest easy knowing your Bucs are an underachieving team, but I take it personally. I go to work, and expect to be entertained, enthralled, and seeing the best possible football on TV. We haven’t have good football in Tampa for a while. It is time.

  47. Sneedy16 Says:

    Stevek I understand your conviction, but dude you’re repeating the same thing over and over as if it will change anything. We know that his record is 24-40 and you have made that statement clear. Let’s all agree to disagree and move on, because no one is convincing anyone different. Can’t we all just wait to see what happens in training camp please.

  48. WestCoastBucsFan Says:


    Not sure how you feel about Freeman but he is at least a top fifteen quarterback. By no means a superstar but there are a lot of teams that would kill for a QB even of Freeman’s caliber. (However good or bad that is.)

    He certainly made a mistake with the secondary last year. I am sure he will be a better GM because of it.

    “All teams make good draft picks, sign free agents, swing a few trades. Good GMs put out an entire 53 man roster that WINS – and wins consistently!”

    If all teams make good draft picks, sign free agents, swing a few trades then why doesn’t another team have Nicks, Jackson, Goldson, Martin, David, Barron, and Revis?

    Money, right?

    All players take the most money. (Just like Haynesworth way back when the Bucs outbid the Redskins but he chose them anyway.)

    Also, Raheem and Dom both said at the time that Raheem was much more heavily involved in the selection of Freeman than a normal head coach would be. Dom gets less than usual credit for Freeman (good or bad) because of this. (But full credit for all draft picks following that pick.) And yes, he gets 100% of the credit for last years first three picks. There is no way you can convince me that a head coach could have ANY sort of an impact on a draft only weeks after he was hired, that is just asinine. (Especially when he said so himself.) This isn’t speculation, these are facts.

    Proof he is at least a decent, middle-of-the-pack GM? He trades ONE first round pick and a third for the best corner in the game. Then promptly signs him to an incredibly team friendly, non-guaranteed contract. (No easy task, just ask the Jets.) This of course happens after acquiring a top five free safety coming off a Super Bowl appearance. The year before he acquires one of the best guards AND wide receivers in the league. (In their prime no less.)

    I don’t think Dom is awesome or even great. If you look at his tenure as a whole, however, he has progressed and gotten better every year. Less Derrick Wards and more Vincent Jacksons. He hasn’t arrived yet. Still much work to be done but he has certainly showed an uncanny ability to cut his losses on a bad decision (except MyLew, ugh) and (more importantly) LEARN from his mistakes. Which is really all you can ask for.

    You don’t judge a GM on win/loss. All the talent in the world can lose consistently. Look at the 49ers before Harbaugh? They didn’t magically add a bunch talent when Harbaugh showed up. Good coaching brought out the best in their already talented team. We have a real coach now. One that can actually work with the talent we have here. The team showed tremendous progress for a first year coach. That is only going to get better with the added talent and a second year of consistent, quality coaching.

  49. WestCoastBucsFan Says:


    Im sorry.

    stevek compared his abilities as a GM to Dom’s (and recently a head coach’s). That is all this was about but these guys turned it into something else entirely.

    stevek still doesn’t get it and is now making jokes about him not being allowed to have an opinion. He missed the point entirely and continues to miss it. A lost cause I’m afraid.

  50. MR.T Says:

    I’ll be watching landi, though he may not make the team, he’s an excellent pass catcher, probably better than anyone else we have in that department. He could be useful in 3rd and long situations where running the ball is not likely.

  51. stevek Says:

    West Coast and Sneedy,

    Direct your comments to me, you see, your opinion of my opinion has devolved into mayhem.

    You can sit here and spin words all freaking day, but are we going to the 2013 playoffs?

    You can sit here all day and try to manifest my opinion/words into your own opinion/words.

    Winning 37.5% of your games, as an NFL GM, is tough. Excuse me for wanting to offer an opinion.

    Why are you attacking my words, I may have misspoke? I am human, and glad to admit that my outlook is not the GM/HC outlook, but it is mine.

    So, please continue to point out, talk crap, and spit out whatever excuses you have towards my outlook, but I am not backing down.

    So, go ahead, talk up the GM, the team, and our standing in the NFC South over the last 5 years.

    Let’s battle dude! I am all in on arguing with a 49er fan.

    You usually don’t name call, but calling lightningbuc “lightning butt” shows WEAKNESS in your opinion and argument.

    Bring it, I am game, got all night.

    “A lost cause” is your twist and play on other’s words. So go ahead and keep your BS commentary pointed at me.

  52. WestCoastBucsFan Says:


    Maybe check the name calling in his two prior posts before commenting on my “WEAKNESS”.

    I would like to end this stevek. I never attacked your right to an opinion. Never. My only issue was your comment, “Schiano and Dominick have an idea of what the “team needs” are, but their guess is as good as ours. ”

    That is it. That is the only thing I have a problem with. I am not asking you to be a fan of another team or calling you a Buc hater or trying to insult you. We need people with your passion rooting for this team. I just don’t think you realized what your words actually implied.

    I am willing to let it go if you are.

  53. Pete 422 Says:

    This offense seems to like using the TE & FB on 3rd down & short/medium to extend drives. It’s a good strategy. Sully just doesn’t use the TE as a big play guy.

  54. stevek Says:

    WEst Coast,

    I am letting it go, you are right. As a: moron, fan with an unquenchable thirst for competition, I misspoke.

    I was referring to the “guess is as good as ours” in terms of what is available at the TE position.

  55. bucuoduckfan Says:

    When the Buccaneer staff start asking for fans’ input on personnel decisions, then what the fans think will truly matter. The only authority a fan has in this situation is whether he/she spends money on tickets/merchandise or by watching the games on television. Even those factors are offset by revenue sharing.

  56. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    “I was referring to the “guess is as good as ours” in terms of what is available at the TE position.”

    I don’t even agree with that. I think Dom has the ability to look over rosters and talk with other GMs about who is likely to come available. (Thus making his “guess” better than ours.) It is over though if you really feel that your guess is as good as a GM’s.

    No one is assaulting your allegiance or intelligence in here. I never said you were a moron. I especially never said that losing is even marginally acceptable. It most certainly is NOT. Ever. I just believe that our losing seasons were not a direct (or indirect) result of Dominik’s personnel decisions. The problems were with coaching and bad luck injuries. That is open for debate though.

  57. jarrett Says:

    I think the pats might cut jake ballard, He is familiar with sullivan from his days in new york. Not the most exciting name ,but an upgrade to evan landi

  58. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    Ballard had an exciting name last offseason when the Pats swiped from the Giants after they attempted to put him on IR. Wouldn’t mind seeing him brought in. The Pats have enough tight ends anyway. They need to share.

  59. SeanyMac in SC Says:

    Wise man says “never argue with a fool, people might not know the difference”. Let it go boys.

  60. scubog Says:

    I know this much. If any of us were the Defensive Coordinator last year our pass defense wouldn’t have ranked any worse. We would have set that all time yards against record though.