Draft Perfection Won’t Equal Winning 2010

April 20th, 2010

Former Bucs defensive end and JoeBucsFan.com analyst Steve White was a popular guy yesterday, delivering his astute insight on multiple sports radio stations, including with Joe’s partners at WDAE-AM 620.

Talking all things Bucs and the NFL Draft, White repeatedly was asked what lies ahead for the Buccaneers on the field in 2010.

White said a Bucs finish between 6-10 and 8-8 is about the ceiling of hope for the team, even if Mark Dominik is perfect this week.

“Even if we hit on every guy [in the draft], we’ll be hard pressed to get to 8-8,” White said.

Now White didn’t predict 6-10 or 8-8. He only explained that those records represent about the best the Bucs could possibly achieve. White said the Bucs failed in their messaging to fans before last season by not dropping expectations and coming clean to say 2009 was an all-out rebuilding season. And White hopes that doesn’t happen again.

Joe falls in the category of fan who believes in miracles. When kickoff comes, Joe believes the Bucs can win every week. So it’s painful to get slapped with the wins-and-losses reality of what the 2010 season will bring.

That said, White is on the money. Even if Dominik proves to be a draft genius, a very challenging season lies ahead.

30 Responses to “Draft Perfection Won’t Equal Winning 2010”

  1. Radio Mushmouth Says:

    Bullshit , anything can happen in the NFL , and no team is very far away from competing.

    Even last season , as bad as we sucked , we were a couple bounces of the ball away on several occasions to winning games.

    Also , how much would it change things is Drew Brees and/or Matt Ryan went out for the season?? You never know in this league.

    That’s why they play the game !!

  2. Louie Says:

    They should win a couple more games just because of the easier schedule.

  3. bucfanjeff Says:

    A probability sure, a ceiling – no. The games have to be played and anything can happen. We just might be “the little engine that could”.

  4. TJ Tillman Says:

    5 or 6 games is pushing it Bottom line they have the mos inexperinced coach in the NFL. He is still learning on the Job maybe that is why they want to go young and they all can learn on the Job

  5. Jerry Says:

    Bad coach. A GM who is in over his head. A young QB with no running game, no WRs, no defense. And an ownership that is drowning in debt.

    Yeah…a bunch of rookies will get us to 8-8! No problem!

    I really think the Bucs have gotten WORSE this year. We will be lucky to win a game.

  6. Tye Says:

    With the way that guy coached The Bucs all season is any indicator, not really showing much of any improvement IF ANY, The Bucs will struggle NO DOUBT!!!

    If they struggle against the Lions, Rams and Browns or even lose to them then this 2010 record could be worse than the last seasons……. Reguardless of who is playing for them….

    A teams success is a reflection of it’s coaching……… {UGH at the thought of that!!!}

  7. OAR Says:

    Watch out guys, you might get gruss222 upset with all this negativity!

  8. colt99 Says:


  9. OAR Says:

    Joe, I just saw the Rams traded thier 2007 first round(#13 overall) pick DT Adam Carriker to the Redskins for a fifth round exchange of positioning. That’s it!
    This also means the Rams picking a QB isn’t necessarily a sure thing? IMO

  10. gruss222 Says:


    You continuously show your childish and cowardly behavior while you hide behind your computer.

    Once again, I will ignore any future childish rants that you may post in this article and respond only to the substance of the post. Go away little child.

  11. mlloye Says:


    Why do you say we are worse than last year, cause Bryant is gone, he didnt do shit last year. You must be a fortune teller, we havent even drafted yet and you already know we are worse?? Im not saying yeah or neah that we are going to be worse but you are defenately jumping the gun there. Coach Raheem showed alot of improvement last year. Dominic is still on the clock as far as good management, yeah he made some big mistakes last year but the rookies he drafted last year could still pan out (to early to judge), and he still has this “Big” draft ahead of him. He said he is re-building through the draft (in plain english)so if your upset that he didnt pick up a big name through FA then you werent paying attention.

  12. sgw94 Says:

    How many of you can name more than one guy who will for sure be starting on our defensive line?

    How many of you can name more than one guy or even one guy who for sure will be starting at WR for us next year, especially if we go 3 or 4 wide?

    Here’s the thing, I cheer with my heart and predict with my head. Some folks want me to be positive all the time, some folks want me to be more negative. I instead call it like I see it. Im going to cheer my ass off every game for the Bucs to win and pull like hell for them. But that for damn sure doesn’t mean I am going to pick them win every game if I don’t think they will.

    Now is it possible for them to go 13-3 and win the Superbowl? Of course it is. Its also possible that I hit the lottery tomorrow night. Possible, but highly unlikely. I am talking football here, not miracles and if you really believe with your head that we will be better than 8-8 next year considering our roster and our division then more power to you. I just hope you keep all sharp utensils locked up on Sundays next fall

  13. gruss222 Says:


    Well stated.

  14. d-money Says:

    If they win 6 games next year and are competitive in the rest I’d say that has to be considered a good result. The following season/off season will be the measuring stick.

    If they draft well this year and next then they should be to the point where one or two of the right free agents could put them over the top.

    I’ll give them one more year of struggling if it means ten more of winning.

  15. Brad Says:

    Winning 6 games next year would be considered a success. It would have to be with Dominik pretty much weakening every position before the draft, ensuring that just about any player will be an upgrade from what we currently have would mean that some of the selections were successful. Dominik is a joke and only counting on the draft is ridiculous. Watching old tapes of the Superbowl victory and watching Gruden on his QB camp make me realize that the Glazers have to be regretting ever letting go the best coach the Bucs have and will ever have go. Watching how far this team has dropped and knowing what idiots are running our team is just depressing. If you decide that your going to let go of all your superstars on your team, your coach or GM should at least fit that category. We have an entire team and staff of nobodies.. And I mean that in the kindest way. We have zero stars from top to bottom.

  16. sgw94 Says:

    To each their own but if you are blaming Coach Morris or Dominik for the roster I would say you are aiming a bit low. Don’t believe everything you hear or read. There isn’t a coach or GM even bad ones that don’t want a roster stocked with talent. There is only one credible reason for why we are going draft or bus this year and it comes from on high. Always ALWAYS follow the money.

  17. oar Says:

    gruss222, WAH! WAH! WAH! I better call the Wah-mbulance!

  18. Patrick Says:


    I’m sorry, but a 6 win season next year would be completely unexceptable. How the hell could you be happy with that? The way I see it, we’ll be 4-12 or 3-13 again next year! Why? Once again, we were 3-13 last year. This offseason, our team hasn’t improved one bit. It’s just gotten worse. We keep letting key guys go, and don’t bring any one in. Letting AB and Wilkerson go are bad decisions considering we were 3-13. Just relying on a bunch of unprovens is not the right way to go. If you let a PROVEN player go, you have to go out and get a PROVEN player to replace him. Also, Wilkerson could’ve been re-signed cheap for some competition at least! He should remain our starter until Kyle Moore or Tim Crowder have PROVEN that they are capable of being starters. That’s the common sense way of doing it. The competition we have on this team is just ugly and disgusting. Kyle Moore and Tim Crowder competing for a starting job? Give me a break!

    It’s unbelievable how many holes that these guys have created on this roster. The good players that we get out of this draft alone will only be enough to replace all the guys that we let go this offseason!

    You can go ahead and add Donald Penn to that list too. It’s been reported that he might request a trade before the draft if he doesn’t get a deal done. By now, you’ve learned that Radio and Dummynick don’t value their players that actually contribute. We all know that they won’t give him a contract.

  19. Eric Says:

    The Glazer loving fantasizers always gets testy when any potential results on the actual football field are discussed.

    When the “plan” meets up with “reality” it aint gonna be pretty.

  20. TJ Tillman Says:

    6 wins are unexceptable Gruden when he hadlosingseason at least he came back to have a winnig season

  21. JimBuc Says:

    They will come close to .500. They will pick up a few veteran players after the draft and they have 12 picks now. Is that right? Besides: schedule is easier, full offseason to prepare, no coaches to fire part way through, no change in system part way through, Morris calling D, Freeman moe experienced. They will improve. Relax everyone.

  22. sgw94 Says:


    Everybody that was pissed that I said we would be stretching the limits to get to 8-8, now that the schedule has been released would you mind listing 9 games that right now today you truly believe we will win without a doubt.

    I’ll wait

  23. Eric Says:

    I cant find more than four……………….and i can easily see an 0-5 start if they don’t slip by Cleveland.

  24. JimBuc Says:

    Eric — that is a shocking prediction! LOL

  25. Eric Says:


    That is a little bit of a rough patch after the brownies. Panthers, steelers, bengals, saints………….

    Not expecting our bucs to be favorites in any of those. And Jake the Snake is historically a buc killer if he starts for the brownies.


  26. TJ Tillman Says:

    I see 4 or games seahawks browns Lions Rams. I have hope against the Panters because we played them tough last year but again we did not improve so far this off season and the still got steve smith and one of the best 1-2 punch at running backs so 4 games for sure

  27. Finerdetailz Says:

    Patrick: go read my post again. I’m not saying I think 6 wins would be a success. I’m saying it would be a miracle and if that did happen with amount of stupid moves Dominik continues to make, he would and everyone else that drinks the kool aid around here including Duemig would think it’s an improvement. Dominiks made 2 maybe 3 good moves against too many to list, that keeps climbing, bad moves. It literally amazes me how this guy who has screwed up so much and I’m talking about the moves that have nothing to do with money or signing or not signing players. This guy is a royal screw up and outside him having the best draft in the history of the Bucs this guy will go down as the worse gm in the league. Of course it might be a good debate between him and Matt Millen.

  28. Patrick Says:

    Finerdetailz, my mistake dude. Sorry about that. I completely agree with everything you said.

  29. Eric Says:

    I can remember not long ago reviewing the bucs schedule looking for key matchups for a playoff run.

    Now, a .500 season would be an absolute miracle.

    Pretty damn sad state of affairs if you ask me. Thanks a lot Glazers you losers.

  30. JimBuc Says:

    Finerdetailz — how long did Millen get before he got the title of worst GM? How long has Dom had? Millen blew draft after draft after draft. The Bucs have only let Wilks and Leftwich go. Dom’s first draft is Freeman, Miller, Strougher, Moore etc. Maybe we should give him a bit of a chance? Whacha think?