“Rambling” Freeman “Didn’t Sound Right To Me”

June 21st, 2013

tcfreemansmileskinnyAfter Josh Freeman’s interview on Ron and Ian on WDAE-AM 620 yesterday, several Bucs fans remarked to Joe, “That didn’t sound like Freeman.”

Most were referring to Freeman sounding extremely relaxed and uncharacteristically revealing.

Joe was somewhat surprised, too, mostly because Freeman usually doesn’t offer much detail and substance, but yesterday he dropped good nuggets. Joe documented Freeman’s respect for Dashon Goldson and Freeman’s scouting report and deep praise for Danny Noble, and Joe has more to come.

Tampa Bay Times Bucs beat writer Rick Stroud took the analysis a step further.

Stroud also co-hosts the Sports Page on WDAE-AM 620, where today he said Freeman “didn’t sound right to me” and Freeman was “rambling” at times. Co-host Tom Jones and Stroud also found Freeman’s comment about his personal life and contract curious. ”I’ve got stuff weighing on my mind, but very little of it has to do with a contract year,” Freeman said.

Joe can’t go here, there, or wherever some might want to. It’s mid-June, and Freeman should be thoroughly relaxed and at ease. The guy’s a five-year veteran of hundreds of interviews and he should embrace showing a less guarded side of himself as a face of the franchise.

Below you can listen to a cut of Freeman plus the full Sports Page analysis.

138 Responses to ““Rambling” Freeman “Didn’t Sound Right To Me””

  1. the_buc_realist Says:

    At least he did not pull the Namath, ” i do not care about the Bucs struugggglinnnnggg, I just want to kiss you know.” Same on the Flag ship radio station making the Golden Franchise JFro look bad.

  2. Walter Says:

    I like what Josh said. He’s working as hard as he can, he’s going to give it his all, and he expects great things this year, but if he ends up on a different team next year, he’ll be content because he’ll leave us knowing that he really did work his hardest to be successful here in Tampa. Hopefully, things work out, so he’ll never have to experience life playing for another team.

  3. Adam Says:

    Isn’t it ironic that he shaves his head of his trademark hair and this is the summer he has stuff weighing on his mind?

  4. Biff Barker Says:

    I hope the closet door doesn’t come off its hinges.

  5. BucsfaninChina Says:

    Its called enthusiasm and confidence guys. Pitiful that the hosts are trying to stir the pot and try to speculate controversy after JFro took out the time for their little show.

  6. Vic66 Says:

    I have heard some say he sounded inebriated. Does anyone know if he has a drinking problem? What ever the case, I hope he gets his head together and has a good year. This is a year of no excuses.

  7. BOb Says:

    i was listening live and was thinking the same thing as Stroud. at first i was thinking he was multitasking because he seemed very distracted, like he was signing autographs at the same time as being on the phone or something. but then he suddenly got really long winded with every answer. the way he was talking was really strange.

  8. Walter Says:

    @BucfaninChina

    I know right??

    Freeman says: “Come hell or high water, we are going to win some games, trust me dude. The Bucs are going to be a force.”

    Rick Stroud: “I don’t know guys, just didnt sound right to me.”

    ?????????? What doesn’t sound right Rick?? You don’t like that Freeman was being more open? You don’t like his confidence, or his comfort in his own skin?? You’re just reaching for a story now buddy.

  9. BOb Says:

    definitely crossed my mind that he may have been drunk. it was that weird

  10. robert Says:

    Xanax?

    getting his grey goose on?

  11. Walter Says:

    So now he was drunk?

    Man, if I was Freeman, I just wouldn’t talk to any media outlets this year. They’re just gonna take whatever he says and use it to start a controversy. It’s just not even worth the trouble anymore. Just play, win games, and earn that contract. Screw the media.

  12. the_buc_realist Says:

    There has been only 1 constant in Freeman’s career. When the tough gets going, he folds like a lawn chair. I am very concerned how this is going to come out with the team putting the sink or swim pressure on JFro.

  13. Couch Fan Says:

    After hearing the clip, I had to go to the website to hear the whole interview. I gotta say it is a very odd interview for Freeman. I’ve been around plenty of drunk people, he didnt sound drunk to me but he did sound extra relaxed.

  14. robert Says:

    realist hit the nail on the head.

  15. buc11, 1977 Says:

    Didn’t he miss his owen football program for kids,
    this week and this is are “leader” on the team!
    Like I said he will be benched before the middle
    of the season!

  16. Tylerbuc Says:

    @the_buc_realist
    “There has been only one constant…” WRONG. In 2010 he was considered one of the best at 4th quarter comebacks. With a super shitty team. He may not have won against teams with winning records but HIS stats stayed elevated the entire season. Soooooo I think that makes your comment dumb.

  17. al121976 Says:

    No robert, the realist didnt hit anything on the head except maybe himself. How could you say that freeman cant handle pressure? how many games has he won in the fourth qtr? I dont think its the pressure, its probably him giving up on a play if it doesnt go as scripted. I think this year will be good for the Bucs

  18. tonytwocents Says:

    robert AND the realist in one thread?? I may have a high haterism tolerance, but the combination of hatertude of realist, and the Glennon flavored haterade from robert?? Im out like Singletary…..I cant do it.

  19. Fritz50 Says:

    “I hope the closet door doesn’t come off its hinges.”

    What the heck is that..a sly reference to “coming out” ? Where did THAT come from?

  20. Walter Says:

    If you listen to the whole interview, at about 2:45 into the clip, you hear Freeman tell someone to “hold on a second,” so I’m thinking he was probably doing something else while this interview was happening, he was distracted. Now doesn’t that sound more realistic than jumping straight to “he’s on drugs/drunk?”

  21. Walter Says:

    Wait, not 2:45, it’s at exactly 2:35 in the audio

  22. Fatmosh Says:

    Man, this is why I hate the overanalysis we have today…

  23. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Was it Marvin Harrison who refused to do interviews years ago? I think he had it right. No matter ehat any of these guys say the media twists it.

    Freeman gives the best interview of his career and comes of sounding exactly the way he shpuld and he’s accused of rambling. Having mental issues?

  24. Yeah It's me! Says:

    You people are a trip! Everything gotta mean something negative or bad.LMAO!!!! Get a LIfe!!!! Unbelievable!!!!

    buc11, 1977 Are you serious? He was at his camp.He was late on first day.Haters don’t even look for the truth they just only see or hear what they wanna hear. LOL!!!

  25. Tim Says:

    buc11, 1977 you so silly!

    For one who the hell on this team is even able to compete with Freeman?
    D.O. is career backup and that’s all, Glennon needs at least two years of seasoning before he can ever considered. The kid has some talent but he is very raw.

    On topic, I listened to the interview live and one of two things came to mind. Either horrible hangover and he was simply struggling through the day. (Remember he is young and I don’t think he parties much at all during the season) or his mind was elsewhere. We don’t know the man’s personal life and sometimes people go through struggles. I think in the long run he will be fine.

  26. lightningbuc Says:

    Tried telling of Freeman’s issues a few weeks ago, but was laughed off as a hater.

  27. lightningbuc Says:

    “Biff Barker Says:

    I hope the closet door doesn’t come off its hinges.”

    The best and most funny thing I have ever read on here!

  28. Curmudgeon Says:

    The guy is under a lot of pressure, whether he’s willing to admit it or not… So, his answers could’ve just been him venting some things that have been building up. Especially when he’s asked to address his future… It’s undermining as hell to have constant questions about his contract, etc… Yes, that’s life in the NFL, but that doesn’t mean guys don’t have feelings about what’s happening and about public perception. I think we should just stop analyzing Freeman so much — it’s like the local media is looking for a slight sign of vulnerability and they’re ready to pounce. I thought it was good to hear Josh actually express himself instead of regurgitating the standard bland clichéd athlete-speak.

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  30. Couch Fan Says:

    There still gonna laugh you off as a hater, even if it was true.

  31. the_buc_realist Says:

    if LightningBuc is a hater of JFro, Boomer Esiason must be the biggest Jfro hater of all time. But that stuff i do not care about. I am concerned of Jfro cracking. This is why he has one of the worst winning percentages against teams over 500%. And that is counting the teams that made it to the playoffs and are pulling starters in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters.

  32. robert Says:

    so now everyone is haters because our franchise QB is under the influence in an interview?

    some people gotta really get off his jock and come back to earth

  33. Walter Says:

    @robert

    Any proof to that? No, you’re just speaking out of your ass, as usual.

  34. BucDan Says:

    @the_buc_realist

    ‘There has been only 1 constant in Freeman’s career. When the tough gets going, he folds like a lawn chair. I am very concerned how this is going to come out with the team putting the sink or swim pressure on JFro.’

    Are you serious? How the hell do you think this team went 10-6 a few years back? I was at the Lions game that year and the FG to lose the game and the chance at the playoffs still stings. People like you forget that the play of JFree led the team down the field on a number of come-from-behind game winning drives. Did you watch this season? He was at fault in the 4int games, but please let me know how many games we took the lead in the fourth quarter only to have our defense give up the lead in the final minutes of play.

    I agree with your later statement about beating teams with winning records. Did JFree play terrible at times last year? YES. But football is a team sport. The Bucs QB kept us in the majority of games. The defense didn’t. You need a QB and for what’s out there in the league, we have one. Take a look at the other teams with ACTUAL QB controversies/questions. Exactly who do they have on the roster to back them up??

    What if JFree is released? Who would like to have a QB with his skill set? Buffalo, Cleveland, Miami, Arizona, New York, Jacksonville, Kansas City, Tennessee, Oakland, Minnesota are the teams that I could come up with that would probably speak to him and his agents.

    You know why TomTom and the Pats aren’t the team that they used to be? The Steelers? The Cowboys? The BUCS?? Because the defense is not performing at the level that it needs to perform to make it. First, to the playoffs, then through the playoffs and to win the Super Bowl.

    John Elway was one of the greats. If he didn’t have a defense that could stand up to the offensive output of a team like the Packers, he would be in the same boat as Dan Marino.

    I know that JFree isn’t close to either of these guys in the football realm, but he ain’t Trent Dilfer either. How did that guy win a Super Bowl?? Oh yeah, a team with a great defense.

  35. BucDan Says:

    TL;DR

    JFree isn’t the issue with this team, the defense is.

  36. Rahb Says:

    Maybe the Bucs GM should be concerned that Josh mentioned winning come hell or high water and also being content to move on from the Buccaneers in one sitting.

    CONFIDENCE and CONTEMPT mixed together? No matter what you Freeman haters think, Josh will be a coveted commodity on the “FREE-MARKET” if the Buccaneers don’t lock him up. Franchise tag might not be enough to keep him

  37. Bobby Says:

    Wow! A new level of juvenile behaviour from the Freeman haters. Not surprised, just dont know what your going to say once the season starts and he’s torching opposing D’s.
    I doubt if we’ll hear “I was wrong.” Babies always find something to cry about.

  38. Sneedy16 Says:

    The thing that most Freeman complainers don’t realize is that you tend to be negative all the time and nitpick everything that comes up. Hey, I can say I’m a hate Freeman or love him, but he is the QB of my team and I will support him until then. He pisses me off sometimes, but he is also really good at other times. I know that he has negatives, but what good is it to harp on it every article. That’s practically being hateful.

    Accusing a guy of being drunk or on something, just because of what you hear is just silly. You can hear him, but you have no idea of what’s going on. I am pretty sure the person giving the interview would have said he smelled alcohol on his breath since he basically was talking to him. You can’t hide that smell with gum or mouthwash.

  39. tmaxcon Says:

    Curmudgeon –I agree with your take completely. It’s time for everyone to chill out and let him play. If he stinks it up, I’ll be the first person to rip him.

    The Buc’s have never had a QB with Freeman’s talent level.

    Off topic but relevant considering the lack of real news to post; The news media is a joke on all levels whether sports or general reporting. Facts are no longer important, it’s being the first one to post the story whether verified or not.

    I highly doubt freeman was intoxicated and those tossing that out there without facts are ignorant. Remember folks people in glass houses should not throw rocks!!!! Freeman’s not perfect that being said the fact is that like or not Freeman is most talented QB the bucs have ever had. I hope Freeman makes everyone eat a big and tasty Sh*T burger this season especially the ignorant asses the_bucs_realist and free’s a boob….

  40. lightningbuc Says:

    ” I am pretty sure the person giving the interview would have said he smelled alcohol on his breath since he basically was talking to him.”

    Were Ron and Ian supposed to smell his breath through the telephone?

  41. Walter Says:

    @lightningbuc

    You mean the imaginary alcohol that you, Robert, and the other haters want to believe Freeman drank even though there’s literally no evidence that points to Freeman being drunk/high, just your immutable hatred for your favorite football team’s starting quarterback?

  42. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    buc11, 1977 Says:
    “Didn’t he miss his owen football program for kids, this week and this is are “leader” on the team!”

    Good lord, not only are your facts wrong, but you can’t spell worth crap.

    “owen” = “own”
    “are” = “our”

    If you want people to take what you say seriously, have your facts straight. People will usually look past spelling and typos…unless the comments themselves are off.

  43. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Even if Freeman was or did drink it doesn’t matter. It has never gotten him into trouble or affected his game.

    I can’t stand drinking, but I don’t force my beliefs on others. Anyone complaining is probably a hypocrite.

  44. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    He could also have been focused on other things when being interviewed. From studying to xbox…who cares? It’s his vacation time.

  45. lightningbuc Says:

    Walt,

    Mind your own business. I never said Freeman was drunk in this interview. Just pointing out to Sneedy that this was a radio interview done over the phone.

    For Freeman’s sake, I actually hope he was drunk in that interview, because he sounded wing-bat nutty.

  46. Raphael Says:

    Under the influence , ? Doesn’t sound right ,? LMAO ! Some of you are just crazy ! Lolololol

    People do have lives ya know and some days are busier than others.

    Hilarious !

  47. the_buc_realist Says:

    I don’t have a dog in this fight, but i think alot of the ” haters ” are referring to other meet and greets with Freeman.

  48. Sneedy16 Says:

    @lightningbuc

    “Were Ron and Ian supposed to smell his breath through the telephone?”

    Last time I checked this wasn’t the only interview he had. Since Joe posted one yesterday too.

    http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=90300

    He sounds about the same, so this is what I referred to the guy giving the interview.

  49. lightningbuc Says:

    Sneedy,

    Fair enough. You are correct, Joe did have a video of an interview the other day. Not sure if it took place the same day as the radio one. But you make a valid point.

  50. BucsfaninChina Says:

    Jumpin jesus the season needs to start already…

  51. Raphael Says:

    @ buc realist … What other ” meet and greet” are you talking about ? Lol you guys have completely lost your minds … Oy vai !

    * facepalm*

  52. Mean D Says:

    Freeman was undoubtedly drunk.

  53. Walter Says:

    Haha the tension in Tampa is terrible right now. Freeman, even if you light it up this year, keep your options open, you never know if a QB needy team might open up their pocket books even more for you, plus, Tampa doesn’t really deserve a QB of your talents. Well, the fans don’t anyways.

    How many games would last years team have won without Freeman?

  54. Raphael Says:

    @ Walter …well said .. The guy is 25 yrs old and has 9 franchise records.. We must have the dumbest fans in the Nfl.

  55. the_buc_realist Says:

    Well I don’t think Alcohol is sold on Sundays in some states…… we can mark some of them off……..

  56. Walter Says:

    @the_bucs_realist

    Lol all joking aside, you think our team has problems now? I can’t even imagine how much complaining you’ll be doing if Freeman is playing somewhere else next year. XD

    Seriously, I’ll end up coming to this website just to see you guys squirm. Of course, it’ll mean the Bucs will be losing a lot of games, but hey, at least Freeman wont be here, right? Hahahahaha

  57. stevek Says:

    Raphael,

    The “9 franchise records” are nothing without playoffs.

    Freeman has this year to PROVE IT.

  58. stevek Says:

    Walter,

    You are off base with your last comment.

    Freeman averages 6 wins per year in his tenure. Guess you will have a possible 6 Sundays per year to “hahahahha” at everyone on this site.

    “Squirm” or not to “squirm”, Tampa Bay Bucs are on the ascent, with or without Freeman.

    Freeman will hopefully put it all together this year, and it is EXPECTED.

    No way Freeman gets 12+ million per year without showing that he is playoff capable.

  59. robert Says:

    START GLENNON!

  60. Walter Says:

    @stevek

    I know without Freeman, we would have probably averaged 2 wins a year. Keep thinking its Freeman’s fault Steve, seriously, go right ahead. And then watch him leave, and THAT’S when it’s going to hit you, that’s when you’re going to realize that Elite QB’s aren’t very easy to find. And I’m going to laugh, and laugh hard at every one of you fools that think the Bucs are a better team without Freeman. Playoffs??? You won’t even be able to DREAM about them if he goes.

  61. Bucky23 Says:

    Could honestly care less if he does interviews drunk. I dont care what josh does on his own time. I’m more concerned with his play on the field. Josh is our quarterback this season so everybody that is against that can either find a new team to cheer for this year or actually act like a fan and SUPPORT your team. Everyone wants to see the bucs back in the playoffs because it gets old year after year having to watch other teams enjoying playoff success. Josh is our only hope at QB to having a successful season so maybe everyone should stop blasting him and show your favorite NFL team’s quarterback some support.

  62. robert Says:

    jfro is not elite……

    there are at least 15-20 qb’s playing right now.

    he is maybe in the top 20-25 qbs

  63. Couch Fan Says:

    Playoffs??? You won’t even be able to DREAM about them if he goes.

    ——————————————————————–
    We havent been able to dream about them since he’s been here either. 3, 4 and 7 win seasons? Nope, we wouldn’t be losing much.

  64. Nick2 Says:

    Ok so I am going to come out on both sides of this. I listened to the whole interview. Freeman sounded odd BUT I really don’t care. What happens on the field is what I am concerned with. If he starts to throw picks again this year we need to go Glennon by the end of the year to get him ready for 2014. Not go Glennon until the season is totally lost. Lets give Josh every chance to succeed and not bury the poor guy. He has awesome talent and has proven that. The thing that worried me was his swoon last year in the playoff run. This interview does bother me but in no way am I saying we should do anything besides start him until the wheels completely come off. One thing to remember is training camp is broken so for all we know he could have had a few drinks or (whatever) and still be legal who knows???

  65. Walter Says:

    @robert

    Name 20 quarterback with better offensive production than Freeman last year.

    Oh, and no rookies and/or players that played half a season. (Kaepernick)

    None of them can claim to be better after 1 season.

  66. Walter Says:

    @couch fan

    Ahhh, how soon we forget his 10 win season! Or how we hadn’t won a game the year we drafted him UNTIL we started him.

    Regardless, TEAMS win games, not QB’s. just thought I’d let you know that.

  67. the_buc_realist Says:

    @walter
    teams win games, but a Qb can lose games

  68. Couch Fan Says:

    Oh thats right how could I ever forget the 10 win season where we had to make a number of comebacks to beat bad teams. How forgetful of me. Ok, ok. So he has had 1 winning season out of 4 with 0 trips to the playoffs. I would say winning is the exception not the norm for him…. so again, what exactly would we be missing?

  69. Raphael Says:

    @ buc realist .. So can a vaunted 29 th ranked pass defense

  70. Raphael Says:

    freeman is a top 10 qb ….Fact !

    Only 10 qb threw for 4000 +yards …..Free was one of them….lol@ the ignorant haters !

  71. Couch Fan Says:

    Lol so the quality of a QB is judged by how many yards he throws? Wow. This is comical.

  72. Walter Says:

    @couch fan

    Lol you also neglect to remember that 3-13 season, he didnt play til the 9th game against the Packers, we were 0-8, the season was already over. We won that game. Plus two more. Let me guess, it’s his fault we were bad that year too?

    So technically, 2 losing seasons, 1 winning. You think that’s enough to let him walk, especially with what we’ve seen him do? Then you’re impatient. You haven’t even allowed him to play with a defense that doesn’t allow over 25pts a game yet. But we’ve got Glennon, so no fears! Hahaha idiot, this team accomplishes NOTHING without Freeman these past 3 years. Nothing. Hell, we wouldn’t even have had playoff ambitions without Freeman last year.

  73. Bobby Says:

    @robert….WOW! I am speechless in the company of such supreme stupidity. Do you even attempt to know what you are talking about before you put your fingers to the keyboard? How many QB’s threw for 4000 yds last year? 20? No Senor Stupid….it was 11. Freeman was #9 in that dept. Freeman did it in 558 attempts which was the third fewest attempts. How many threw 27 TD’s? 25? No El Idioto….the correct answer would be 8. How many threw 16 completions for 40 yds or more? 20? No Mr. Moron….that would be only 1…Josh Freeman. How many had 55 completions of 20 yards or more? 25? Wrong again robert ‘the clueless’. The correct answer is 8 and Freeman was one of them. Now, do I have to continually bitch slap you with every keystroke or are you going to do some research before you puke up more of your inane babble?

  74. Bobby Says:

    ^^^^couch^^^^ that could go for you too.

  75. Couch Fan Says:

    @Walter

    Your jumping the gun arent you? And getting awfully defensive. I never once said we need to let him walk… nor have I said we need to start Glennon. I’m just pointing out that we havent been so great since he’s been here. You are the one who said we wont be able to dream about the playoffs if he leaves… well my point is since he’s been here there hasent been much playoff hope as of yet either… so I will ask for the 3rd time, what will we be losing? If we cant win with him, and he leaves and we still cant win…. what exactly have we lost?

  76. Couch Fan Says:

    @Bobby

    Keep humping that leg.

  77. Walter Says:

    @couch fan

    So production means nothing?

    Ya know, moving the ball? Points? That all means nothing?? You sure make it seem that way. You don’t magically make the playoffs Couch, the team has to produce on BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL. Freeman produces, he produces the same kind of numbers that the good QB’s in this league do. That is undeniable FACT. The defense? The only thing they produced last year was disappointment and last minute heart wrenching losses. You see, the Bucs front office was smart. They saw a weakness, and fixed it. They brought in Revis, Banks, and Goldson. What do you do?? What 90% of the uneducated NFL fans do: point at the QB and say “HE DIDN’T DO ENOUGH DURRRRRR!”

    Bottom line, Freeman and the offense carried the team last year. You’re just too stupid to realize it.

  78. Bobby Says:

    ^^^^^^^Exactly^^^^^^^^

  79. robert Says:

    @ walter
    what do you mean no rookies or ones that played 1/2 a season??????? pffft.
    we could go back and forth on that all day…..especially when they take their team to the post season!
    Players that are better than jfro :

    Tom Brady
    Ryan Tannehill
    Joe Flacco
    Andy Dalton
    Ben Roethlisberger
    Matt Schaub
    Andrew Luck
    Peyton Manning
    Tony Romo
    Eli Manning
    Mike Vick
    Robert Griffin III
    Jay Cutler
    Matthew Stafford
    Aaron Rodgers
    Matt Ryan
    Cam Newton
    Drew Brees (our whole division has better Qb’s LOL)
    Colin Kaepernick
    Russell Wilson

    That’s 20 qb’s with more stones and talent than jfro. Jfro is the new Dungy. He just can’t get it done. And Peyton won the SB in Indy, not Dungy.

  80. Bobby Says:

    But when you point out facts and statistics their brilliant rebuttal is “keep humping that leg”.

    So knowledgeable about this game we discuss. It’s just a joy to have them around.

  81. BucDan Says:

    “Freeman averages 6 wins per year in his tenure.”

    Correction: The Tampa Bay Bucs have averaged 6 wins per year while Josh has been QB.

    Again, this is a team sport and without the talent of JFree behind center, the Bucs would have been in a worse situation. I can’t believe that you guys haven’t mentioned not one other quarterback to start for us in his place other than the only guy that we haven’t seen play in an NFL game – Glennon.

    Scenario: Late 4th quarter and JFree takes the team down the field for the lead. Defense then proceeds to give up the lead as the clock expires.

    Please tell me how we lost the game due to the play of Josh Freeman.

    This happened last year in the Washington game, Atlanta game, and the Philadelphia game. And if you think that we lost to the Giants in week three because of #5 you are delusional. His long bomb throws were the reason we stuck to it and put up the most points the Giants would see all season.

    Damn, it is hard to be a Buc fan with so many others misinformed about the sport…

  82. stevek Says:

    Walter,

    Freeman gives us our best chance of playoffs this year. And I do like Freeman, I just despise inconsistency, especially given his position on our team and, “Potentially” ELITE physical gifts.

    I think I lose patience for Freeman because he shows moments (4 games in a row) of pissing excellence. Then he will go cold and lose you 2 games or so.

    The QB position is the lifeblood of the entire offense. When the QB can consistently orchestrate an offense, the whole game plan comes together.

    Our pass D was a joke last year, no effing doubt about that, but it doesn’t excuse Freeman for his mental lapses, inconsistent games, and not being able to be a steady performer.

    We are guaranteed to see overwhelming play from Freeman each Sunday: either absolutely outstanding, or shockingly poor.

    I hope Josh has absorbed the offense, and is ready for the task of playoffs this year. He has the talent, potentially. I hope to turn his potential greatness into consistent performances.

    Forgive me for looking for better play from the QB. Look at the league now, spread offenses, hurry up offenses, essentially the college spread game nowadays. More so now than ever, the NFL’s game is more conducive to throwing the football to be successful.

    Additionally, the NFL QB position is now more reliant than ever on throwing the ball well, reading a defense, looking off a defender, and being able to call an audible independently.

    I want more from Josh Freeman, frankly, because he has the god given ability to be great. His only problem is the streaky play. We live on two extremes with Freeman, and streaky play is not “Franchise QB” play.

    I hope, root for, and hold my QB accountable for the team’s performance. We need a consistent facilitator of the offense. The defense is back in Tampa Bay.

    In conclusion, Mark Dominick, and Greg Schiano are holding up their end of the bargain, all eyes on #5 now. Let’s see if Freeman has what it takes.

  83. BigSombrero Says:

    Im wondering about how much Free wants to be in Tampa. I wonder if certain options are open whether or not Free will leave on his own regardless of what we offer. He has stated he dreamed of playing for KC and with Alex Smith at QB, its very possible that job will be open.

  84. Couch Fan Says:

    Last time I checked, you played the game to win not rack up yards. Stats can be taken a ton of ways. For example, how many yards would be taken away from Free’s stats is from you subtract all the circus catches Mike and V-jax had to make? Stats can be taken a number of ways, only fools look at stats and proclaim someone great.

    You say the offense carried us? To what? a division title? Nope. Playoffs? Nope.
    To a whole 7 wins. WOOOHOOO. I see half of fame in there futures.

  85. robert Says:

    @ walter
    what do you mean no rookies or ones that played 1/2 a season??????? pffft.
    we could go back and forth on that all day…..especially when they take their team to the post season!
    Players that are better than jfro :
    Tom Brady Ryan Tannehill Joe Flacco Andy Dalton Ben Roethlisberger Matt Schaub Andrew Luck
    Peyton Manning Tony Romo Eli Manning Mike Vick Robert Griffin III Jay Cutler Matthew Stafford
    Aaron Rodgers Matt Ryan Cam Newton Drew Brees (our whole division has better Qb’s LOL)
    Colin Kaepernick Russell Wilson
    That’s 20 qb’s with more stones and talent than jfro. Jfro is the new Dungy. He just can’t get it done. And Peyton won the SB in Indy, not Dungy.

  86. Bobby Says:

    “The sky is green! The sky is green!!”

    errr…no it’s not couch, it’s blue. Look..here’s a picture side by side with the color blue.

    “Yeah….well…keep humping that cloud!!”

  87. Couch Fan Says:

    But when you point out facts and statistics their brilliant rebuttal is “keep humping that leg”.

    ———————————————————————-
    Did you forget about the fact that you were calling names in just about every sentence? Why exactly would I want to have a debate with such childish behavior?

    Lol, as I said keep humping that leg.

  88. Eric Says:

    Kenny Stabler?

  89. Sneedy16 Says:

    These debates about Freeman gets heated. I wonder what would the debate be next offseason if the Bucs have a 11 wins and make it to the playoffs and Freeman makes the Pro Bowl? Who would they debate about next?

    Just asking not debating…

  90. Bobby Says:

    Oh I see…it’s not that you were clueless, you just made a conscious choice to appear clueless so as not to engage in a childish debate. OK… Well played.

  91. the_buc_realist Says:

    @Sneedy
    If that happens, I will personally buy Jfro a 12 pak!

  92. Walter Says:

    Couch Fan’s logic:

    “If he can’t play like Rodgers, Manning, Brees, or Brady, he doesn’t deserve a contract!!”

  93. gulfcoast Says:

    Bath Salts. Its the bath salts.

  94. Walter Says:

    @Sneedy

    I know one thing, the_bucs_realist, stevek, and couch fan would celebrate and enjoy the playoff run, but I doubt any of them would admit that they were wrong!

    As for what the next debate would be, it’d probably be something like “What do the Bucs need now to reach the next level and win the Superbowl?”

    And I have an odd feeling those same people I listed above would say: An elite QB.

  95. Snook Says:

    I’m not a Freeman fan overall, but I like the Freeman I heard in that clip. He sounded actually a little pissed off and real for once – instead of his PC boring usual interviews.

  96. Snook Says:

    There’s NO way, Freeman isn’t a little buzzed during this interview. He was ALL over the place. But like I said before, I liked it. He sounds ready to go. Pumped for the team he has.

  97. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    I see ^^^this^^^ is still going on.

    There is the rest of June, all of July, and most of August before we get to anything even close to resembling real football. I am already burnt out from the Freeman debates.

    If you like Freeman, you’re a homer. If you throw out stats to show why he is good, you’re a leg humper. If you show just how terrible the defense was, you’re just making excuses. There is no winning with the haters. Logic generally isn’t involved in their conclusions so providing facts doesn’t make much of a difference. They will counter with extremely broad or overly specific stats, generally not related to passers but to the team as a whole. (Win/loss and third down conversions)

    The offense finishing top ten and the defense finishing bottom five apparently holds no weight. We must dissect how much the average points changed for the offense and defense throughout different quarters of the season. (stevek) We must look at the three and out percentage but ignore what plays were actually called in those situations. We must ignore franchise records being set because they are just Dalton’s “average season”. . .

    . . . Unfortunately, we just have to let the season play itself out. Nobody can be declared a “winner” in these “debates” until then.

  98. mpmalloy Says:

    Lol,,,Malloy is entertained by this exchange.
    Bobby has some funny smack.
    FWIW Malloy spoke in the third person in Buccaneer
    message boards as far back as 2003.

    Josh…….*sigh*……Josh,Josh, Josh…..
    ……your future is truly yours to make or break.

    Go Bucs!

    Lol……86 comments….

  99. the_buc_realist Says:

    westcoastbucfan is right. Jfro 6pak, will have at least 1,2 months to sober up before preseason even starts!

  100. Illuminati Says:

    Personally, I don’t see what the big deal is. He just sounds like he maybe was still rolling a little a from an all-nighter. He was probably sleep deprived and maybe still buzzed, or maybe even working on a new buzz. Also, there was clearly one or more other people around in the background, so he may have been distracted as well. And, he always seems a little disorganized in interviews, although he doesn’t usually ramble nearly that much.

    I’m just not going to get all twisted about an unmarried 25-year-old multimillionaire maybe choosing to blow it out a little while he basically has the next month off. Assuming that’s even what the situation was.

  101. stevek Says:

    WCBF,,

    We must ignore our absence from the playoffs?

    We must ignore the 10 game losing streak in 2011, after a 4-2 start?

    We must ignore the 5 game losing streak last year after a 6-4 start?

    We must ignore “how” the QB acquires his statistics, and the team W-L record?

    We must ignore the fact that our QB plays streaky as hell, despite the physical talent to be an elite QB?

    We must ignore….

    Playoffs in 2013 will happen, with or without the Bucs. No ignoring that..

  102. Free's A Boob Says:

    Freeman sounding disoriented and stupid? What a shocker….NOT.

  103. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @stevek

    LMFAO

    Thank you for proving my point.

    I say:

    ” . . . They will counter with extremely broad or overly specific stats, generally not related to passers but to the team as a whole.”

    And you counter with:

    We must ignore our absence from the playoffs?

    We must ignore the 10 game losing streak in 2011, after a 4-2 start?

    We must ignore the 5 game losing streak last year after a 6-4 start?

    ^^^Absolutely HILARIOUS. All of these things are TEAM issues. Not Freeman’s alone. One player cannot compensate for massive deficiencies elsewhere on the team. (Aside from the absolute greatest and even they struggle at times, see: Brees, Drew.)

  104. Buccsfan76 Says:

    I’m amazed at all the Bucs fan…errr… jackasses screaming for this kids head. He’s only 25 (how many of you haters were worth a toss at that age?) and has done better than and has more potential than half the QBs in the league. There are several teams licking their chops to get this guy for a reason. Once he goes, get ready for several seasons with recycled starters and “never wills” like a large percentage of this league. Get ready to add him to the growing list of Bucs QBs to move on to another team and win a Super Bowl.

  105. stevek Says:

    WCBF,

    “Absolutely hilarious” is your acceptance for mediocrity, and your ability to not accept true points of debate.

    LMFAO at your ability to dish out: blind, apologetic excuses for mediocrity.

    All of the “team” standings would improve with CONSISTENT QB play, like Andy Dalton (glad you brought up the 32 game starter and 2 time playoff QB out of the vaunted AFC North).

    I like how you dismiss true points of debate because of your own limited view point.

    2013 is a must make playoff year for Freeman.

    Freeman has the tools, has had the hot streaks, but can he consistently facilitate the offense?

  106. stevek Says:

    Buccsfan76,

    You know they have a super bowl ever year, right?

    We won one once upon a time…

    I like the “jackasses” that embrace mediorcrity, and are blinded by “Andy Dalton like” output with less consistency…..

  107. stevek Says:

    WCBF,

    I was responding with “we must ignore” in response to your pu$$y a$$ response and whining in your prior post.

    You make one statement (in your argument with quotes), and than run your excusing mouth with a bunch of bull sh!t, and then try to contradict my response.

    LMFAO, you ever thought I came back with “we must ignore” in response to your lame a$$ excuses.

    Keep trying to land a trick, Trolly McTrollerson.

  108. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @stevek

    Anyone that thinks Freeman was “the reason” we didn’t make the playoffs last season is delusional at best. Could he have played better? Of course. So could Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, etc. Everybody that didn’t win the Super Bowl COULD have played better but there is such a thing as “reasonable expectations”, something you apparently know nothing about.

    ” . . . your acceptance for mediocrity . . . ”

    Acceptance, really? Is that what you take from my posts? No, I don’t “accept mediocrity”. That is why I was calling for the second worst pass defense in NFL history to be fixed. There is nothing logical about demanding the leader of a top ten offense to do better or his ass is canned.

    This is a team sport. We “fixed” the part of the TEAM that caused us problems last year. (And, surprisingly enough, the leader of a top ten offense was NOT the problem.) Now we just hope everyone stays healthy and Freeman just puts up similar historic numbers to last season and we can get to at least nine or ten wins.

  109. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @stevek

    Your posts are getting a little angry. You should relax, this is a football thread. Its about a game bro, chill. I mean, do you even lift?

    ” . . . your ability to not accept true points of debate.”

    Is there anything about the fact that the Bengals defense has been top ten two years in a row while the Bucs have been bottom ten that is not a “true point of debate”? How about that the Bucs have had a better offense, statistically, than the Bengals the past two years? Any part of that not a “true point of debate”?

    The irony of you saying someone else is narrow minded is beyond words.

  110. Bobby Says:

    ^^^^yeah^^^^^ If I saw ‘true points of debate’ I would be more than thrilled. Blaming the defenses flaws on Freeman when pointing out a 7-9 season and no playoffs is like slipping on ice and blaming your shoes. Yeah…you could have had on different footwear but don’t be stupid… the ice is really to blame.
    Place the blame where the blame is due. Freeman is far from perfect, has spells of inconsistency, and has yet to reach his potential, but he performed far better than our pass defense did last year.

  111. BamBamBuc Says:

    OK, can’t hold back anymore…

    robert: your list of 20 QBs is pathetic.

    I can agree with:

    Elite QBs: Brady, Brees, Rodgers, P Manning

    Top Echelon: E Manning, Rothleisberger (based on SB victories)

    Very good: Ryan, Flacco (based on playoff performance)

    That’s 8 QBs I won’t argue at all. The next group is really not any better than Freeman. That would be:

    Romo, Schaub, Cutler, Stafford, Dalton. (none of these guys had success in the playoffs, and really haven’t made it there much anyway). I might add Newton to this group as well.

    Guys I’d put beneath Freeman would be Tannehill (this should be obvious), and Vick

    The rest are too young to tell. Luck, RGIII, and Wilson were rookies, Kaepernick was 2nd year and only started 7 games. Might want to wait and see what they do next year. Plenty of QBs have had a good year or two and bad other years (basically the gripe with Freeman now, and Free’s first full year as a starter was a tie-break away from a playoff year, otherwise he might have been viewed much like these guys)

    So, 8 definitely better. 6 are about the same class. 2 are not as good. And 4 are still too early in their careers to tell.

    I would add to the group I put Freeman in Phillip Rivers and Alex Smith

    I would add to the worse than Freeman group Ponder, Weeden, Locker, Gabbert, Sanchez, Henne, Foles and Kolb. Put Carson Palmer on the bubble between this group and the one above.

    I don’t value QBs specifically on getting to the playoffs, or I’d have to say Vince Young was a great QB and he wasn’t. I don’t think Rex Grossman was a great QB, and he made it to the Super Bowl.

    For Freeman to take the next step to very good or upper echelon QB, he’d have to do what Flacco and Ryan do. Flacco doesn’t win games very often, he does what he needs to, let’s the defense play, and scores enough to win. On a rare occasion Flacco has to win a game and he usually steps up, but otherwise relies on his defense. Ryan seems more consistent. He does go out and win games, 1st quarter through 4th, week in and week out. Problem is, he fails come playoff time. With a better team around him, he’d have a Super Bowl ring by now.

    Eli and Big Ben are only upper echelon because of 2 rings each. Beyond that, they’re both very streaky, inconsistent QBs. If Freeman could follow what they do, we may not see playoffs every year, but we’d have a championship every few. I kinda like that idea better. Sure it’d be nice to be the Patriots and have a consistently good team every year that contends for the title. Problem with the Patriots is that it’s been 8 years since they won, even with Brady. I’d love to go to 5 Super Bowls like they have, but winning them is better (I know, I was at the Super Bowl in San Diego when our Bucs won!!!). Brady only has one more ring that Eli or Big Ben, but those guys don’t go to the playoffs every year so they’re “downgraded” to upper echelon.

  112. Jbskiff Says:

    @ All The Freeman apologist.
    Keep your heads up Freeman’s A$$ and we will see by seasons mid point whether he is a keeper or a bust. Let’s judge him just by his play, his accuracy, his consistency, his ability to carry out the play book, his intensity, etc. turn loose of these lame a$$ excuses of he’s only 25, had too many OC’s, it was the defenses fault, it was just miscommunication, etc-etc. No I’m not a hater, I want to see the guy succeed, for if he does-we are off to the playoffs, if he doesn’t-we pout and call each other ” dumb a$$s”, “homers”, haters, jock stap lickers, and every vile and degrading thing one can conjure up. OK – I’ve been guilty also(see above beginning) but let’s just see how he plays. If there is a hidden problem, some one will find out. As they say in another sport, “Play Ball”!

  113. PRBucFan Says:

    I’m not engaging in any of the JF debate anymore till the season starts and there’s something meaningful worth debating as far as he goes but to address this particular topic I find nothing awkward at all lol.

    I am not known as the biggest believer in JF but come on now lmao,
    JF has ALWAYS been spacey in his interviews hence the reason the “shrink” comments have been made throughout his career and this interview is not at all inconsistent with how all over the place Josh’s mind usually seems. IMO

  114. scubog Says:

    I’ve got to stop reading the comments if the subject of Josh Freeman is on the table (or under the table in this case). It’s just the same handful of people, who no matter what the topic, will somehow find fault with # 5 in an attempt to support their ever weakening position. So here we are in radio land surmising if our starting QB should have been arrested for DWI (Drunk While Interviewed). If he’s like most 25 year olds he was on his cell phone texting while on the radio. Heck, a celebrity like him might have had a little chippie on his lap. Maybe he was eating a chicken wing. Absolutely comical how people reach the conclusions they do with so little fact.

  115. Jbskiff Says:

    @Scubog. After defending Freeman , you didn’t use an offensive stereotype did you?

  116. chris Says:

    Listen, for this interview, people forget that NFL players are human. Everything I read and see about Josh Freeman off the field, is nothing but good things and seems like a dedicated and good overall person. He missed his camp, from what appeared to be, a broken down car. Stuff happens even to NFL players, regardless.

  117. chris Says:

    Back to the comments about him ranking 9th in the league in yards and being only one of 11 Qbs to hit the 4,000 yard mark. Listen, that looks nice and all, but he folds in critical aspects of the game. With the lead in several games with under two minutes to play, Josh can’t complete a pass to convert a 3rd down for the life of him. People just look at stats. But there were many times wherer the ball is in his hands and he can’t convert. 24th in 3rd down conversion percentage. That was near the likes of Sanchez and Locker bad.

    Ok so he can hit the deep balls. Defenses schemed against that with more zone looks to take away Jackson over the top in the final 6 game stretch. That is when Freeman played his worst football because he inconsistent and inaccurate because he could not properly read and dissect the defense and was hesitant in his decision making, which normally leads to poor footwork and a breakdown in mechanics.

    His poise is not that of a franchise QB either. It seems that when things start going wrong, Josh gets rattled and doesn’t keep his cool. He’ll force throws and doesn’t stay calm. Sure he’ll pull that occasional Carolina comeback, but you don’t see that consistently. You see it against bad defenses and bad teams. When facing playoff calibar opponents, he crumbles.

  118. Couch Fan Says:

    @Chris

    The homers get mad if you try to imply Freeman isnt hall of fame worthy already. All Josh’s problems are because of the defense, the play calling, the scheme, the old coaches and everyone around him…. Freeman threw for 4000 yards. He should be MVP after leading us to a miraculous 7 wins!

  119. stevek Says:

    We are a playoff team, waiting to break out.

    The defense is worlds better, and should be the backbone of this team.

    Our offensed needs to be better than 24th ranked 3rd down conversions. Drives must be sustained, field position won, and keep the defense off the field for a consistent amount of time.

    We can easily be 11-5 or 5-11, it all depends on #5′s ability to shine in 2013.

  120. Couch Fan Says:

    Definately should be a playoff team. There should be no excuses this year though I’m positive there will be if there is a let down.

  121. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    Our offensed needs to be better than 24th ranked 3rd down conversions.

    This is hilarious. Did you know that your lover Dalton was the worst QB on third downs in the league? Now wait a minute . . . if “our offensed needs to be better than 24th ranked 3rd down conversions ” to win games, then how did the Bengals manage to make it to the playoffs? How is that even possible if third downs matter NEARLY AS MUCH as you believe them to? Dalton was literally 35th. Freeman was 22nd.

    Could Freeman improve on third downs? Sure, but don’t act like its the reason we weren’t in the playoffs when your lover in Cincinnati was the worst in the league.

    This is where I got my numbers from, it measures the QB on third downs, NOT the “team”:

    http://coltsauthority.com/images/stories/Passing3rdDownreg(1).PNG

    This is team efficiency:

    http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct

    Both still show the Bucs with better conversion rates than your beloved Bengals.

  122. BamBamBuc Says:

    I hate when people either get things wrong or don’t look close enough. Watch the games people. Stats help understand some things, gameplay is yet another thing.

    chris: you’re no better than those throwing around the 4000 yard numbers. 24th in the league in 3rd down %. Woohoo… what does that even mean? That on 3rd down, the team only converts a 1st down a certain percentage of the time. The team, doesn’t say whether it was a run or pass, just that the Bucs were horrible in that spot. I’ve pointed out many times the play calls late in games with a lead where they called run plays (which take more time off the clock) and don’t convert a first down.

    What this also fails to take into consideration is 1st and 2nd down conversions. Take a look at the Redskins game. On the drive to take the lead, Josh completed a 4 yard pass on 2nd and 3. He got the first down, just didn’t wait til 3rd down to get it. Very next play, 1st and 10, completes a 19 yard pass to Underwood. Again, 1st down conversion, just not on 3rd down which really doesn’t help those 3rd down conversion % numbers much, but helps the team a lot. We kicked the FG with 1:47 on the clock, and Washington only had 1 timeout left. The winning kick took place with :03 on the clock. What was Josh supposed to do when the time ran out?

    Look, I’m not trying to defend Freeman so much as point out the flaws in thinking. For those that say Freeman should have converted more 3rd downs and scored more points early in games because we knew the DBs were bad, I say we should have scored more points than the opponent. Period. We should have scored more points than our opponent. There is more than one way to do that. You either score a ridiculous amount of points that the other team can’t keep up with even though your defense can’t stop anything. You shut out your opponent every week and score just enough. Or you put a balanced team out there and both score enough and play defense well enough. I don’t think the team was good enough last year to be the Patriots or Saints and simply outscore opponents. The defense was so bad that we would have to have that kind of offense to win more games. Even then, they were actually close to that good, which actually surprised me quite a bit. I didn’t think the offense could make that jump that much last year after a horrible 2011. The Buccaneers have to be a more balanced team. Josh will score points, he’ll make the other team work for the W. We need the D to hold them off just a bit more. They don’t have to be spectacular (although it would be great if they were), but they do have to make stops when the game is on the line. Just like you expect your QB with the ball in his hands to lead that comeback drive, expect your D with the game on the line to make that stop. One isn’t more important than the other. Doesn’t matter what happened the first 58 minutes of the game. If you have the lead, hold it. If you don’t have the lead, get it back. Josh has gotten it back a lot more than the D has held it.

    3rd down conversion %… what a joke.

  123. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @BamBamBuc

    Look, I’m not trying to defend Freeman so much as point out the flaws in thinking.

    That is all I am trying to do. Unfortunately you get labeled as a “leg humper” or “blind homer” for showing the flaws in their line of thinking. No one is claiming Freeman is a future hall of famer, just that he is not as bad as some make him out to be.

    I have a post just before yours that is “awaiting moderation” because of the links I provided. It basically shows that Dalton was the worst QB in the league on third downs. A true testament to how worthless that stat is if the worst one in the league was in the playoffs.

  124. stevek Says:

    Bam Bam,

    3rd down conversion % is NO JOKE.

    It falls on the entire offense for moving the chains. Also, sustaining an offensive drive can provide balance to the team, better game plan execution, and it will allow for consistent output from the offensive team’s lifeblood, the QB Josh Freeman.

    Freeman has done some wonderful things, we just need more consistency. Converting in the bottom 25 percentile of your 3rd downs, is not Franchise QB football, nor good play calling.

    Our defense will answer the call this year, no doub. Will Freeman, consistently? It is a completely fair question too. Think about the up and down play the last two years. We are about to find out how much the defense made Freeman deviate his play calling.

    The young man can party all he wants, who cares? Does he win us games on Sunday? 2013 is playoff time.

  125. stevek Says:

    WCBF,

    Dalton needs to work on 3rd down conversion %. Good thing he can complete 60% of his passes, and CONSISTENTLY perform well enough to make the playoffs the last two years.

    You don’t see Dalton undertrhrowing, overthrowing, unable to audible do you? Has Dalton missed a game because of hurting himself at a gun range? Has Andy Dalton had a 10 game losing streak and a 5 game losing streak, while at the helm of the Bengals? Does Andy Dalton have back to back four pick games on his resume? Has Dalton put out about the same amount of stats as Josh Freeman, with HALF OF THE PHYSICAL TALENT? Yup!

    From a raw talent stand point, I’d rather have Freeman. From a winning stand point, Dalton has done more thus far…

  126. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    LOL

    Dalton needs to work on his third down conversions but Freeman’s third down conversions were the reason we lost? Even though Freeman’s rate was better? It really makes you wonder if there are 21 other starters that have any impact on the game.

    The Bengals top ten defense carried that team to the playoffs where Dalton promptly choked it away in the first round (twice). Great defenses made Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer into Super Bowl winning quarterbacks. Winning games is NOT an indication of how good or bad a specific player is. That is why they put the win/loss record next to the team, not the QB.

  127. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    And lets not forget that Mark Sanchez went to back to back NFC Conference games. He must be amazing right? If winning and losing defines the quarterback? I could of sworn they just drafted a QB in the second round that will start over him . . .

  128. PRBucFan Says:

    “I’m not engaging in any of the JF debate anymore till the season starts and there’s something meaningful worth debating as far as he goes but to address this particular topic I find nothing awkward at all lol.

    I am not known as the biggest believer in JF but come on now lmao,
    JF has ALWAYS been spacey in his interviews hence the reason the “shrink” comments have been made throughout his career and this interview is not at all inconsistent with how all over the place Josh’s mind usually seems. IMO”

    - Yey me, a post that’s actually somewhat in Free’s favor lol ;)

  129. Couch Fan Says:

    That is why they put the win/loss record next to the team, not the QB.
    ———————————————————————————

    Actually the QB does have a record as the starter for there respective teams. Every time you see an interview on TV from a starting QB you just about always see/hear there record as a starter mentioned. You can’t say that for any other position… wonder why that is?

  130. Bobby Says:

    Yeah…good thing Andy Dalton can complete 1 more pass out of every 20 attempts but just not on 3rd down. I’m sure that makes all the difference in the world in why the Bengals got to the playoffs, had nothing to do with their defense….(rolleyes).

  131. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @Couch Fan

    You got me, they certainly do. Lets just take a look at how misleading that can be, shall we?

    Quarterbacks with a better win/loss percentage than Freeman:
    (Half a win/loss is a from a tie game.)

    Michael Vick: 56.5 – 44.5
    Tony Romo: 55 – 38
    Jay Cutler: 51 – 42
    Alex Smith: 38.5 – 36.5
    Kyle Orton: 35 – 34
    Mark Sanchez: 33 – 29
    Matt Cassel: 29 – 33
    Rex Grossman: 25 – 22
    Charlie Batch: 25 – 30
    Byron Leftwich: 24 – 26
    Tarvaris Jackson: 17 – 17
    Matt Moore: 13 – 12

    Josh Freeman: 24 – 32

    Are ANY of these guys an unquestioned upgrade from Freeman? Since the win/loss is determined almost exclusively by the quarterback you would have to think so, right? After all, Sanchez has “led” his team to the conference game twice, right? Wonder why they have been struggling lately with such a superstar QB . . .

  132. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @Couch Fan

    You got me, they certainly do. Lets just take a look at how misleading that can be, shall we?

    Quarterbacks with a better win/loss percentage than Freeman:
    (Half a win/loss is a from a tie game.)

    Michael Vick: 56.5 – 44.5
    Tony Romo: 55 – 38
    Ja-y Cutler: 51 – 42
    Alex Smith: 38.5 – 36.5
    Kyle Orton: 35 – 34
    Mark Sanchez: 33 – 29
    Matt Cassel: 29 – 33
    Rex Grossman: 25 – 22
    Charlie Batch: 25 – 30
    Byron Leftwich: 24 – 26
    Tarvaris Jackson: 17 – 17
    Matt Moore: 13 – 12

    Josh Freeman: 24 – 32

    Are ANY of these guys an unquestioned upgrade from Freeman? Since the win/loss is determined almost exclusively by the quarterback you would have to think so, right? After all, Sanchez has “led” his team to the conference game twice, right? How could they be struggling so much with a playoff quarterback?

  133. chris Says:

    So BamBam, you’re saying is, when you’re in the bottom tier of the league on 3rd down conversion rate, and also completing 54% of the passes overall, handing the ball back to the opposing offense is a joke? Yeah if you’;re not a Tampa fan.

    I, for one as a Tampa fan, die hard Tampa Bay fan, could not stand watching Josh continuously missing targets and going 3 and out was pretty frustrating.

  134. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @chris

    Andy Dalton had the worst third down conversion percentage in the league. (For the QB, not the team.) I am not saying it doesn’t matter but if the worst one in the league can make the post season then how important could it really be?

  135. BucDan Says:

    We go to the playoffs of we beat Detroit two years ago. Josh made a great drive and incredible throw to end the first Saints game, but unfortunately the tying score did not count. We have a winning record if the defense could stop the Falcons, Eagles and Redskins on the final drives last year AFTER Josh put us in the lead. We almost had one of the biggest upsets of the year in week three against the Giants (absolutely due to the throws made by Josh Freeman, and by the amazing hands of our receivers). I advise all fans to purchase the replay package at nfl.com to re watch last years games and see how well the offense played to only be hurt by the letdown of the defense.

    If you think Josh Freeman lost more games for the Bucs last year then the defense, you are delusional.

    Joe Flacco and the Ravens do not go to the Super Bowl if Ray Rice doesn’t make an amazing play AFTER A CHECKDOWN THROW on 4th & 26.

  136. BamBamBuc Says:

    chris: You’re confusing 3rd down conversion % with 3 and out. We can get a first down on 1st or 2nd down, and the drive no longer is considered a “3 and out”. So, let’s look at last year… 193 drives, 41 “3 and outs” for a 21.24% of the time the team went 3 and out. The best was the Patriots with 12.37%, the worst was the Cardinals with 31.1%. The Bucs were actually 13th overall in “3 and out” %. 7th through 15th were all within 2% of each other and we were just barely over 4% away from the #2 Packers at 17.2%.

    See how things change when you look at the numbers you actually talk about? You’re tired of 3 and outs, yet we weren’t that bad in drives consisting of ONLY 3 plays and a punt. And of course, that is a team stat, not a player stat.

    Actually, since Freeman has been starting, we are in the top half of the league in “3 and out” %. Always around 20-22%. His rookie year when he only started the last half of the season, the team had 3rd worst at 30.41%.

  137. Bobby Says:

    Look…why can’t you guys just admit that Freeman sucks??? Isn’t the word of Couch and others like him enough? These stats just pale in comparison to their infinite wisdom and knowledge. I, for one, am willing to admit my mistake and just move on. START GLENNON!!!!

  138. Buc1987 Says:

    Starting over with a rookie is the most moronic statement anyone can make. It will take that rookie another 2-3 years before your going to see the playoffs, get real. Man the thing I always noticed the most when I used to comment on NFL.com was how many effing moronic Buc fans there actually is. Not picking on anyone here, but man some of you really define what I mean by moronic buc fans. @Walter you are the smartest cookie on the board, great reads Walter. You really know your sh**. DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE you people are supposed to be Buc fans? You saw a Bucs defense get torched left and right last year and everything is Freeman’s fault??? WTF ever!

 
 

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