Jason Licht Explains Why He Would Draft A QB
January 12th, 2015
Believe it or not, a hefty percentage of Bucs fans don’t want to draft a quarterback with Tampa Bay’s No. 1 overall draft pick.
Whether they’re members of the Mike Glennon Mob or just plain insane, Joe doesn’t get it.
Thankfully, Bucs general manager Jason Licht is of sound mind.
Licht was proud to say the Bucs will not play games when it comes to drafting a QB in April.
“I will say this, if we feel that a quarterback is a franchise-level player, that can change the landscape of your team, your town, your community, your fan base, all those things, and, most importantly win, you have to take him,” Licht said on the Buccaneers Radio Network recently. “So the job that we have in store for us for the next few months here is deciding if there is that player in the draft.”
Hearing this soothed Joe. But it begs the question, “What the hell happened last year?”
Oh, well, that’s old pain. But the scouting staff and the head coach who passed on trading up slightly for Teddy Bridgewater or Derek Carr are still in place.
Joe remains fearful the Bucs might do the unthinkable on the evening of April 30: pass on a quarterback.
January 12th, 2015 at 10:14 am
I’m not sure you can call it the unthinkable if it is something in reality that they would do. I could definitely seeing them passing on a QB at #1 feeling that neither Winston or Mariota are a true #1 pick and taking the DT. Now, they could take a QB in the 2nd round, but there is nothing there, it would just be a wasted pick. Will be interesting to see in a couple of months with the direction of the new Bucs.
January 12th, 2015 at 10:15 am
Trade down twice in the 1st round….
January 12th, 2015 at 10:15 am
MGM lives!
January 12th, 2015 at 10:17 am
Let’s not forget that Buffalo has Rex Ryan now who will want a QB of his own. Could definitely see him trying to trade up with someone to grab one of the 2.
January 12th, 2015 at 10:18 am
Glennon would be a good starting QB considering he has an OC that can coach him.
January 12th, 2015 at 10:22 am
Another L&L smoke screen? Now nobody will expect when we waste our pick on another running back! Wouldn’t put it past them.
January 12th, 2015 at 10:24 am
“I will say this, if we feel that a quarterback is a franchise-level player, that can change the landscape of your team, your town, your community, your fan base, all those things, and, most importantly win, you have to take him,”
@ Joe, isn’t it obvious that he’s describing Mariota and NOT Winston?!?? Winston would sour over half of the fanbase and severely damage the Bucs image in the community and Mariota is a complete prospect; on and off the field.
January 12th, 2015 at 10:27 am
“most importantly win”
which is why they draft Winston, who can make NFL throws into the tiny windows, like the good QB’s did this weekend.
January 12th, 2015 at 10:27 am
I think Glennon is further along than any rookie qb. Unless you want a read option offense, which I think Joe pines for.
January 12th, 2015 at 10:31 am
Reading Licht’s statement it’s no on Winston. Agree Joe? Joe you wanna franchise QB so desperately, you’re willing to gamble on a couple guys who just aren’t franchise guys. I understand it’s hit or miss on any draft pick, but with QBs you just can’t consider a guy(s) who’s process starts out with a boat load of red flags. Just curious, have you discussed Glennon/Marcus/Jameis with Gruden to get his thoughts? Since he’s a great resource and lives down the street.
January 12th, 2015 at 10:32 am
Licht is not an idiot. The Bucs will love BOTH QBs. If they didn’t, they can’t extract a ransom to trade down.
January 12th, 2015 at 10:40 am
The number 1 pick usually gets leaked a few weeks before the draft. I’m hoping we all don’t have to wait to find out who the player is going to be right up until April 30th.
I will be livid pissed if they pass up on either QB with that pick. I’ll angrily put my credit card back in my pocket, hang the phone up and predict more blackouts unless the Glazers buy the tickets up.
In a business sense it would be the one of the dumbest moves in franchise history.
January 12th, 2015 at 10:42 am
Paul Says:
January 12th, 2015 at 10:27 am
I think Glennon is further along than any rookie qb. Unless you want a read option offense, which I think Joe pines for.
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I don’t think anybody wants a read option offense.
January 12th, 2015 at 10:45 am
COME HOME MARCUS!!!
January 12th, 2015 at 10:46 am
In 2011 Oregon Qb Darron Thomas threw 33 td’s and 7 ints.
QB rating for the season 158.7.
Almost identical to Mariota.
He is currently in the arena league……..
January 12th, 2015 at 10:50 am
Mariota the real deal
January 12th, 2015 at 10:55 am
I can play that game to Eric.
Ponder: 2010 FSU QB Christian Ponder threw 20 tds and 8 ints.
QB rating for the season 135.7.
Almost identical to Winston
Currently lost starting job and will never start in the NFL again.
January 12th, 2015 at 10:56 am
Oh, I’ll do a twofer for ya Eric.
2012 FSU QB EJ Manuel threw for 23 tds and 10 ints.
Qb rating for the season was 156
Almost identical to Winston.
Currently lost starting job and may not start another NFL game.
January 12th, 2015 at 10:57 am
“What the hell happened last year?”
They obviously felt that there wasn’t a QB worth taking. It’s one thing to have a need. Just because you have a need doesn’t mean you take an inferior player and keep your fingers crossed.
Which of last years QB’s has wowed you Joe? Seriously. Bridgewater MAY be a nice QB…Bortles and Carr show promise…but clearly there were no “franchise QB’s” that jumped out but a series of projects that COULD yet be quality starters.
Joe I think you are confusing need with availability to fill that need. Just because we have the need…I’m not in the MGM so I’ll concede you believe there’s a need and you MAY be right…perhaps I could upgrade that to PROBABLY right…MG8 has yet to receive a fair shot with the right coaching, the right OC calling plays..and an offensive line.
Again if people want to keep pointing out that Oregon QB’s NEVER succeed in the NFL then ipso facto forget drafting a Duck you have to also consider the fact that only 4 of 27 Heisman QB’s have made it so ipso facto why take either Heisman?
Bottom line for me is that with Koetter in the house, and I still have confidence in Licht’s ability if Lovie doesn’t handicap him, I feel far more confident that whichever way they decide to go they’ve made a solid and smart decision.
No matter what anybody says, no matter which way they go or who they take it’s still a crap shoot. Just trying to get the best odds possible so we don’t roll snakeyes yet again.
January 12th, 2015 at 10:59 am
Also, here are Mariota’s stats and they aren’t even in the “almost identical” realm.
Mariota has thrown 40 tds and 3 ints.
QB rating this season is 184.3
Not even close. Has 7 more tds and 4 less ints. Also has almost 50 more pts in the QB rating.
Now, Winston on the other hand has 25 tds and 18 ints with a QB rating of 145.5
That is almost identical to the other two FSU QBs. He doesn’t really stand out does he? Mariota does.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:03 am
joe says: Whether they’re members of the Mike Glennon Mob or just plain insane, Joe doesn’t get it.
huh? this coming from a guy that thought johnny football should have been drafted 1# overall last year?
I am not the insane one.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:03 am
I hate the fact that Winston has All these Ints in college do you guys want a turnover machine
January 12th, 2015 at 11:03 am
” that can change the landscape of your team, YOUR TOWN, YOUR COMMUNITY, your fan base, all those things, and, most importantly win, you have to take him,”
Well, I guess that leaves Wintson out…
January 12th, 2015 at 11:05 am
In 2013 Winston threw for 400 yards, 40 td’s, 10 ints. and a QB rating of 184.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:14 am
Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:
January 12th, 2015 at 10:55 am
I can play that game to Eric.
Ponder: 2010 FSU QB Christian Ponder threw 20 tds and 8 ints.
QB rating for the season 135.7.
Almost identical to Winston
Currently lost starting job and will never start in the NFL again.
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I can play that game, too. Peyton Mannin’s career college rating was 147.something. Winston’s last season was 145.something (but of course in his freshman year it was 180).
January 12th, 2015 at 11:15 am
@ Eric, Mariota has more wins than Winston does; and he beat Winston head-to-head. Based on all the criteria that Licht stated, Mariota is the ONLY choice.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:16 am
I do not believe that Mariota or Winston are franchise quarterbacks. Do you realize that not one single quarterback from FSU has made it as a successful, starting quarterback in the NFL!!! To me, Winston is another Josh Freeman and we know what happened there. How successful has Johnny Football been with the Browns? With any “rookie” quarterback, it will be three years before the BUCS would be competitive and I do not think the fan base will accept that. There are several teams that want to trade up with the BUCS and I think the Titans are the best bet to do so.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:17 am
Meanwhile………OUTside the state of Fla
http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=nfl&pollId=4657212
January 12th, 2015 at 11:17 am
how many int in 2014? nah im good
January 12th, 2015 at 11:17 am
Hey Glennon lovers, just a quick reminder, your boy Glennon led the ACC in INTs in his 5th year with 17, an increase from 11 the season before. Oh, and his best rated season of his college career was 136. Several points worse than Winston’s worst.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:18 am
J Moné
Turnover machines don’t win 26 games in a row.
Winston is the only option.
Erik –
you should go buy a Winston jersey today. It will be refreshing to let go of all that unwarranted hate…
All of you guys need to layoff the sauce so early in the morning and Stop with the Glennon nonsense. He had his chance. he blew it, now its off to radio row for him.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:18 am
J Moné Says:
January 12th, 2015 at 11:03 am
“I hate the fact that Winston has All these Ints in college do you guys want a turnover machine.”
If you watched every FSU game as I have, you would know that 5-6 INt’s this season came off tipped passes from his WR’s hands.
Stats don’t always tell the real story.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:19 am
I’m laughing at all you Maiota fans. I like the kid and actually thought we should draft him. After watching a ton of his throws vs Winston’s throws, its hard for me to not pick Winston over him. Again, when I watch Winston, I see WOW throws and when I watch Mariota, I wonder how his recievers got so wide open. If you watch the TD that Rodgers threw ysterday, I’m not sure Mariota could make that throw between 2 defenders but I know for sure Winston can make that throw because I’ve seen him do it.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:19 am
I’m also not sure you can says 19.51% is a hefty percentage when 77.47% want to draft a QB. The other 3.02% don’t know.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:22 am
Buc-O’s 82 Says:
January 12th, 2015 at 10:18 am
Glennon would be a good starting QB considering he has an OC that can coach him.
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As excited as I would be to see a fresh face taking snaps, don’t overlook the #8 we already have. He has consistently been compared to Matt Ryan and now that we have the OC that helped shape Matt Ryan I think Mike Glennon may deserve a chance. Use the pick to trade down and get some OL help and to plug the holes we have on defense.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:22 am
Eric Says:
January 12th, 2015 at 10:27 am
“most importantly win”
That’s right Eric, and that would Mariota because he beat Shameis in the bowl game, remember?
January 12th, 2015 at 11:24 am
The point is the Oregon QB’s have these amazing stats pretty consistently. None of them have ever transported it to much NFl success.
Winston’s stats are head and shoulders above anybody who has played for FSU for a long time, and it is from a pro style set.
EJ Manual can’t be compared to Jameis Winston, c’mon now.
Something for the pros to evaluate.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:27 am
Buc-O’s 82 Says:
January 12th, 2015 at 11:22 am
Eric Says:
January 12th, 2015 at 10:27 am
“most importantly win”
“That’s right Eric, and that would Mariota because he beat Shameis in the bowl game, remember?”
As an FSU fan, I predicted an Oregon rout over FSU. The reason why was not Marcus Mariota. Your point is meaningless, but carry on with that thought. Winston moved the ball down the field in the game just fine. Turnovers is what killed FSU in that game, not Winston.
Such a silly statement. Mariota beat Winston so he’s the better QB. Really?
I mean…really?
January 12th, 2015 at 11:28 am
Trade down twice in the 1st round….
It was so depressing watching quaity football this weekend….I saw plays in a single drive that the Bucs take a WHOLE game to put on film….we have SO many holes to fill….
Trade down twice in the 1st round….
January 12th, 2015 at 11:28 am
I have heard some (including Joe) harping on the fact that we didn’t draft a quarterback last year. I think it was a blessing in disguise that we didn’t. Number I personally believe that Mariota and Winston are better prospects (on the field) than the Manziel,Bridgewater, Carr trio ( Think the Bucs considered that as well since they did have some interest in Johnny Manziel). Also, we didn’t have Stable Offensive Coordinator and system this year. Our rookie quarterback will come in day one with an experienced successful coordinator. believe it or not there are some positives from the 2-14 nightmare.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:32 am
Both Ponder and Emanuel played in Jimbo Fisher’s “pro style” offense.
Im not impressed with Winston while I AM impressed with FSU’s recruiting classes of late.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:33 am
Turnovers is what killed FSU in that game, not Winston.
…………………………………..LOL
Two of those turnovers are Winstons
January 12th, 2015 at 11:34 am
Eric, you were comparing stats. So I compared stats. They are very similar in FSU. You can’t compare Mariota to any other Oregon QB either. That is ridiculous. The skill set is on another level. Same for Winston.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:34 am
That backwards fumble was Classic btw
January 12th, 2015 at 11:35 am
alanbucs….I told Joe last season that the Bucs just need to wait on Jameis.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:37 am
“Both Ponder and Emanuel played in Jimbo Fisher’s “pro style” offense.”
and played like CRAP…
NEXT!
January 12th, 2015 at 11:37 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hhT7j4Vhv0
January 12th, 2015 at 11:37 am
I recall Wuerfful having insane stats under Spurrior’s fun and gun offense. Won the Heisman and National Title and all.
But not an NFl player.
But great in college under the right system.
Beware of the eye-popping stats is all I am saying.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:38 am
Oh, and the legendary Matty “Ice” Ryan’s senior year, he threw 19 INTs and posted his BEST QB rating of 127.
Does anybody else get it? Stats can be misleading. FSU had an unprecedented number of teams that had a bye week right before they played them…that and the fact that the teams were playing the defending national champions meant that FSU’s opposition was constantly getting the other team’s absolute best shot.
Just to be clear here, I really don’t like FSU. I don’t hate them like I used to, that hate now goes to Alabama, Florida, and Ohio St,, but I certainly am no fan of FSU. I am a fan of Winston. For the record, I hated Ponder and proclaimed him to be a bust with a pop gun arm when he played at the Senior Bowl and I didn’t think EJ Manuel was worthy of a round 1 selection because he was far too robotic (Ternt Difler-esque) despite having tremendous physical gifts.
Winston is the real deal though. He’s poised, usually accurate, intelligent both on and off the field (3.0+ GPA) despite making juvenile mistakes off the field, well versed in a pro style system, stands tall in the pocket, has a ton of courage and moxie, and has considerable physical tools as well.
Two weeks ago I wanted Mariota. But after watching numerous Mariota games online and not seeing him even having to attempt more than a few NFL throws a game and seeing him consistently struggle with his downfield accuracy. Numbers from two seasons ago, show that Mariota threw 65% of his passes less than 10 yards down the field, Nearly 45% traveled 4 yards or less down field. http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/2/28/4036850/adjusted-completion-percentages-collin-klein-matt-barkley
Another study from this season found that against the 4 best Pac-13 defenses, Mariota completed only 29.6% of his passes thrown downfield and to the left. http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2014/12/01/2015-nfl-draft-evaluating-marcus-mariotas-stock-after-week-14/
I can’t find recent numbers on Mariota but I heard the numbers for the FSU you game were about 50% of his passes against FSU traveled less than 4 yards down the field. That’s not the NFL, fellas. Be misled by his stats all you want but don’t blame me and others when we point to actual game play to determine who is truly better. Colt Brennan had great stats, so did Tebow, so did just about every QB to come out of Texas Tech and Oregon before Mariota. And none of those guys are taking snaps in the NFL.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:39 am
I could care less about stats. If that was the case then Winston has regressed so much that he should have stayed another year, which I do believe he should have done. Stats are nice to point to, but you have to look at what makes though stats.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:39 am
The backwards fumble as everyone could see was a result of trying to do too much when his WR’s were blanketed….and it DOES happen.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:40 am
Whatever makes you feel better
January 12th, 2015 at 11:41 am
tmaxcon Says:
January 12th, 2015 at 11:18 am
J Moné
Turnover machines don’t win 26 games in a row.
Winston is the only option.
Erik –
you should go buy a Winston jersey today. It will be refreshing to let go of all that unwarranted hate…
All of you guys need to layoff the sauce so early in the morning and Stop with the Glennon nonsense. He had his chance. he blew it, now its off to radio row for him.
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Eff that mess, I’ll get a Winston name patch for the back of my Freeman jersey and be done with it. it was the only jersey of a young player I had ever bought and now I regret it.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:41 am
@87ForJameisNoMariota- Exactly. Not saying that those three quarterbacks won’t have their measure of success but we have seen another level of quarterback play from rand Mariota. I am with you for going with Jameis over Mariota if the draft was today of course.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:42 am
Here you go gatrbuc,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8TvCJz6SCg
January 12th, 2015 at 11:42 am
Jameis and Mariota
January 12th, 2015 at 11:43 am
Half of America thinks that Winston is an NFL bust. What makes some Bucs fan so much smarter than everyone else?
January 12th, 2015 at 11:43 am
But Eric….Mariota beat Winston. So surely that translates into who will be the better NFL QB, right?
SMH.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:47 am
gatrbuc17 Says:
January 12th, 2015 at 11:43 am
“Half of America thinks that Winston is an NFL bust. What makes some Bucs fan so much smarter than everyone else?”
Because the other half is smarter and I’m in the other half.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:48 am
QBs don’t play each other and Winston didnt win 29 straight games either. Teams win games not QBs
January 12th, 2015 at 11:49 am
Thanks Skyline but I already put that up a few posts above.
And to 87. Like I said earlier. Whatever makes you feel better bro
January 12th, 2015 at 11:51 am
MGM4life
https://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=122800
January 12th, 2015 at 11:51 am
I DO however know this much.
You cant play football on work release.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:52 am
Half of authentic NFl scouts don’t view Winston as a bust. Quite the contrary.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:54 am
Eric I dont view Winston as a bust IF he can change his attitude and character defects.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:55 am
All you have to do is look at the teams playing this past weekend and that will explain why we need a QB…
The worst QB playing in the playoffs was Can Newton… And Carolina had a great defense and they still didn’t have a winning record…
Look at the QBs of the teams that won … Tom Brady, Andrew Luck, R. Wilson, A. Rogers…
I think its obvious… If you don’t have at least a top ten QB you don’t stand a REAL chance in the playoffs…
January 12th, 2015 at 11:58 am
GATORbuc17…the only thing that will make me feel better when it comes to the Bucs is to hear the right name called on draft day and the Bucs start winning.
January 12th, 2015 at 11:59 am
@ Tmaxcon
Why on earth would I buy a Winston jersey?!?? I’m a Bucs fan. I have no need or desire to own another team’s jersey…
January 12th, 2015 at 12:03 pm
@87 Feel free to just call me gatr with a small g if you would.
This team is not quite ready to win yet. We have a couple yrs to go. I dont own any rose colored glasses as I have followed this team for 39 yrs
January 12th, 2015 at 12:05 pm
I have a stitched FSU Winston jersey I got for Christmas, that I will be wearing to games when Jameis dons one of those ugly Bucs uniforms.
Oh I’m getting a creamsicle jersey. The very next day after the draft.
Draft Mariota and I’ll wait and see.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:06 pm
Well if you want to talk turnovers for 2015 season then Shameis threw 17 and Mariota threw 2. And that’s not counting the bowl game when Shameis threw a pass backwards that was worse than the butt fumble. Soooo – really?
January 12th, 2015 at 12:07 pm
gatrbuc17 …lol I was just effin witcha.
How ya been doing? Have seen you on here for a little while.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:07 pm
I have a signed Emmitt Smith Gators Jersey that he signed for me back in 89.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:08 pm
StPeteBucsFan
Can you imagine Dirk Koeter having Carr to work with? I would have loved that. But then, Dirk probably wants to pick the quarterback. He’ll pick Mariota, even though Joe and the other media are trying to maintain some mystery about the pick.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:08 pm
87 Ah it has been the Holidays you know how that goes. Plus we have been getting some quality powder so Ive been doing a bunch of snowmobiling
January 12th, 2015 at 12:10 pm
@Bonzai……….I was All for grabbing Carr last yr. I think he was the best of the bunch
January 12th, 2015 at 12:12 pm
Is Carr a read option QB?
January 12th, 2015 at 12:13 pm
@Mac,
I’m not sure Cam was the worst. Did you see Peyton last night? He was over throwing and under throwing. He looked pretty bad. Then when he was asked about playing next year he was like “I don’t know yet”. May have seen the last of him or will he be like Favre and just keep going. But seriously, Manning looked pretty bad last night.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:15 pm
Yeah 87 pretty much. Fresno St runs alot of no huddle up tempo stuff
January 12th, 2015 at 12:18 pm
@sky, I agree completely. He was trying to make throws that he used to could make. Too many neck surgeries and Father Time has caught up with him
January 12th, 2015 at 12:19 pm
I don’t really care about what has or has not happened in the past in regard to trophies or the schools. You can’t let superstition keep you from making a choice.
Here’s a scenario. Say, um, Arron Rodgers becomes a free agent (won’t happen, I know), and he’s willing to come to Tampa. BUT, he’s also on the cover of Madden. Do we refuse him because most players on the cover end up injured the same year?
Of course not. That would be silly.
So I don’t care that the odds are against a Heisman winner. Heck, let’s be honest. BEING DRAFTED at all has met with more failures than successes, right?
What I care about are the hidden things, the character, the skills that are obvious, but also the hidden skills that there are hints of. I care about speed of thought. How quickly does a quarterback make decisions once the ball goes in motion? Are they wise choices?
If he holds onto the ball too long, why? Is it because he is slow in making reads? That will get him killed in the NFL, especially behind a line like ours.
The last few years, all you people have wanted was a fast-paced, college type offense. Chip Kelly or bust, right?
So now, when a fast-paced, college QB is available, you get second thoughts?
Go Mariota. He’s the smart choice. Unless we can get a sure thing veteran in here, or trade for Carr (won’t happen).
January 12th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
Okay…I just watched about 5 minutes of Carr having not seen too much of Fresno St.
Looks like he drops back more than anything. Also Jameis looks much better.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:21 pm
Mark Hartsell
Ryan Perry-Smith
Tony Graziani
Bart Hendricks
Andrew Walter
Rudy Carpenter
Dave Garrard
Blaine Gabbert
Matt Ryan
These are all Dirk Koetter’s quarterbacks as an OC and HC. I don’t know about you, but, I see drop back, pro-style QBs.
Doesn’t mean he wouldn’t go in a total different direction, but, the past often helps indicate the future.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
“If he holds onto the ball too long, why? Is it because he is slow in making reads? That will get him killed in the NFL, especially behind a line like ours”
Bonzai his receivers were blanketed during that Rose Bowl game. I promise you no matter how much you scouted Winston. He does process things very quickly on the field.
I also promise you that he goes in first 3 picks if not number one overall, like many analysts are saying.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:27 pm
Licht said,
“I will say this, if we feel that a quarterback is a franchise-level player…
So the job that we have… is deciding if there is that player in the draft.”
Two big ‘IFs’.
Joe remains fearful the Bucs might do the unthinkable on the evening of April 30: pass on a quarterback.
Be afraid, Joe! Be VERY afraid!
The very first pick is different than ANY other pick. It absolutely must be a ‘can’t miss, first-day starting, impact’ player. There is not a QB, in this draft, who fits that criteria. In fact, IMO, there isn’t ANY player in this years group, that fits that criteria. Trade down, and let someone else reach. There is no rule that says a future ‘franchise’ QB can’t be found in a later round.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:28 pm
I agree with Jose that the Buc’s need to draft a QB, but why does it have to be with the first pick? Trade that #1 Pick to the Eagles for Chip Kelly….then you have the makings of a team!
Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Kap, Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers, Flacco, Brett Farve, Kurt Warner…etc. etc were not number 1 picks! Bryce Petty had a heck of a game!
The Buc’s need so much help. The problem is not whether they take a QB at #1 or not, it is WHO is going to evaluate the talent. Not just for the #1 pick, but for the rest of the picks, free agency, trades??
I understand the comparison of the Rapist Winston to Marcus Marriota. Winston is just too much risk for the #1 pick…..with the NFL Commish he will be suspended for a year if he pulls any of the stunts he did in college. I am so frustrated with people who say he will grow up and stop raping females students when he gets to the NFL because he will be around adults. What is Jimbo Fisher?? He is an adult Joe Paterno apologist who enabled Winston’s behaviour. He is not worth spit if he ends up on the NFL’s exempt list being paid as a #1 pick while awaiting his next trial.
The pick that is most important in my mind is the next/future HC!! Lovie Smith can’t find his butt with both hands in the dark, let alone coach an NFL football team. The coach makes a difference….look at the AFC and NFC final round…..Bill Belichick…Mike McCarthy….Pete Carrol….Chuck Pagano…Lovie could not coach the Defensive side and he has no clue when it comes to offense other than being offensive in his time clock managment and choice for an OC. The OC just hired had Matt Ryan and Julio Jones and lost his job. So what, he is going to come to Tampa and suddenly become a QB guru overnight in Lovie’s basment??
Hire a coach first who can evaluate talent.!!
January 12th, 2015 at 12:31 pm
Greg Schiano Says:
January 12th, 2015 at 12:28 pm
“I agree with Jose that the Buc’s need to draft a QB, but why does it have to be with the first pick? Trade that #1 Pick to the Eagles for Chip Kelly….then you have the makings of a team!”
I don’t want to move all the way down to #20 in the first round, but I guess you do.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:32 pm
From yesterday’s TBT:
Mariota threw the ball 27 times during the first half of the Rose Bowl. All but five of those involved some sort of misdirection: a pump fake to a receiver, a designed quarterback rollout, a fake handoff to a teammate, or some combination of the three.
According to profootballfocus.com, Mariota used play action on 51 percent of his 372 passes during the regular season”
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“Only two quarterbacks in the country have thrown for more yards than Marcus Mariota, but his passes are usually short rather than downfield. Here’s a breakdown of how far his 36 Rose Bowl passes traveled:
0-5 yards downfield: 20
6-10 yards downfield: 3
11-20 yards downfield: 8
more than 20 yards downfield: 5
January 12th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
“I am so frustrated with people who say he will grow up and stop raping females students when he gets to the NFL because he will be around adults.”
Is that a fact that he raped someone or just your opinion?
January 12th, 2015 at 12:36 pm
@ CreamsicleBananaHammock
Wow. You make him sound like a cross between Fran Tarkenton and Joe Montana.
I don’t think he’s THAT good. Maybe… some day… maybe…
January 12th, 2015 at 12:40 pm
You know what’s funny about people complaining about FHITP and crab legs, bb guns, etc?
Do I need to remind people about what first ballot Hall of Famer, Brett Favre allegedly (added that for you, Joe) did? and he, allegedly, did that in his 17th pro season. Peen pics to a masseuse!!!
Favre also threw a few interceptions in his day. Turned out ok for him.
Pick Jameis.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:42 pm
@ skyline
Agreed… Manning looked bad last night… But you see my point right? If you don’t have a solid QB your team isn’t going anywhere…
Look at the Buffalo Bills since Jim Kelly left, or Cleveland after Bernie Kosar or Jacksonville once Mark Brunell left… Nothing…
If you don’t have a legit franchise QB you are not likely to make it very far…
January 12th, 2015 at 12:46 pm
Umm pretty sure like a month or 2 ago your name had Jameis OR Mariota in your name… Now you don’t like him? Hmm
@Joe
Just a curious question.. What qualities did Manziel have last year that Mariota doesn’t have? You don’t seemed as excited about Mariota as you did Manziel and I was wondering if that was more Jameis related or something about Mariota or Manziel you noticed? I know you said you would be happy with Mariota but just going from Manziel crazy to no real love for Mariota is a little off to me?
Again, Joe has no problem with Mariota at all. Joe simply prefers Winston. –Joe
January 12th, 2015 at 12:50 pm
Look at what happened to us after we got rid of Doug Williams.
Its not surprising people have a bad opinion on Winston. BSPN had almost daily negative coverage on the guy, even accusations of point shaving and autograph payments.
It was a witch hunt, joined in by the New York Times hit piece.
They have done everything in their power to bury the kid.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:50 pm
Lovie has two more years if he drafts a QB, Have QB competition this year unlike last year and start this year with the better QB = Glennon or the Rookie QB Winston or MM or whoever will be our future as long as it is not McCown.. A good D and a Good Oline and a Good QB and some solid coaching and we are just about set..
January 12th, 2015 at 12:51 pm
With the first pick in the 2015 NFL draft the tb bucs select Leonard Randy Williams Gregory.
January 12th, 2015 at 12:52 pm
Notice I said good not perfect or even great.. one side of the ball being great would really do it..
January 12th, 2015 at 1:12 pm
With the First pick in the 2015 NFL Draft the Tennessee Titans select Marcus Mariota
With the Second pick in the 2015 NFL Draft the New York Jets select Jameis Winston
With the Sixth pick in the 2015 NFL Draft the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Brandon Scherff
January 12th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
At that point Tampa would own the #s 33, 34, and 38th pick in the second round along with a first and at least two seconds next yr
January 12th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
Licht is basically saying that a prospect QB needs to be as good as Andrew Luck in order to draft at #1. Mariota maybe, but definitely not Winston.
January 12th, 2015 at 1:16 pm
Jameis’s backward fumble is known to Bucs fans as doin a “Garo Yepremian”
January 12th, 2015 at 1:18 pm
Bucs will take a kicker with the number one overall pick and then cut him before the season starts….
January 12th, 2015 at 1:22 pm
Joe,
Please if you can find the video of Trent Dilfer breaking down MM, saw it this morning on BSPN. He showed a sample size of Mariotta missing open receivers when his plan A wasn’t open. IJS, Winston makes those throws
January 12th, 2015 at 1:23 pm
The MGM made excuse after excuse as to why Glennon couldn’t/didn’t succeed enough to hold onto the starting QB gig (Remember the week where Glennon was announced the starter and McCown was the back-up after a full week of practice?) and also made them last year about being thrust into the starting gig (I seem to remember a certain Mike Williams stating in an interview that Glennon practiced with the 1’s quite a bit for a backup) he’s a rookie, terrible play-calling, and no weapons or line etc….
Seems the Winston bandwagon(hoppers) are making excuse after excuse for him as well… 2013 he played great, but 2014 he had no weapons or line… How about you take the blinders off and look at it again… The ACC is a weak conference (winning a NC doesn’t make your conference strong)… To me he has a long release and he is absolutely careless with the football.. I don’t care how many int’s were supposedly on him according to his HC (of course he was going to promote Winston and have his back because it helps when it comes to recruiting).. He played in a pro style offense.. Okay so do plenty of other highly touted QB’s who do absolutely nothing in the NFL.. Ya he played great in the second halves of games and led them to comebacks but guess what? If he didn’t play like SH*T in the first half then there wouldn’t be a need for that.. I haven’t even gotten into the off the field issues with the kid either and don’t need to because you will back him 100%(no I’m not saying he did it either just stating a fact)..
My whole point to this was basically to wonder how many MGM are now fully on board with the Winston Wagon?
It’s no secret I want Mariota but I’m not blind to see his faults as well… Weak defenses, spread offense, single read or take off running most times. But I think Mariota has the higher ceiling… Russel Wilson type without a (TRUE) cannon for an arm.. But also has scary bust potential think of any spread option Qb who failed in the NFL
Winston to me has a ceiling of a poor man’s Big Ben but a even worse bust potential.. Think Russell, Freeman, Quincy Carter type..
Go Bucs 🙂
January 12th, 2015 at 1:32 pm
Okay thanks for answering Joe! I wasn’t sure if you had answered that or not..
I haven’t been reading all the articles lately as the comments section has become repetitive again unfortunately with everyone trying to convince each other who is a better QB prospect or trade down or select another position all together for the franchise… I doubt anyone will actually convince each other to switch to their side of the argument either.. More power to those who do and should be in sales! 😉
Oh and because we got Jim FREAKING Harbaugh to come back home to AA.. Been reading the positive articles over on their blog sites!
January 12th, 2015 at 1:35 pm
he is just driving up the price. for the pick this team wants and needs more than Winnie Winston!
January 12th, 2015 at 1:42 pm
@PHILLIP- WELL SAID.
January 12th, 2015 at 3:34 pm
Coach Smith doesn’t have the luxury of taking a chance on the draft to get a solid QB. The Bucs said, “So the job that we have in store for us for the next few months here is deciding if there is that player in the draft.” If, If, If, If………They should trade for Atlanta’s QB…period and win next year.
January 12th, 2015 at 3:45 pm
I call smoke screen to trade back and aquire picks…otherwise we’ll be seeing Leonard Williams in a Burger King Bucs uniform
January 12th, 2015 at 3:59 pm
There are no new bucs fans because we’ve been horrible for a long time so my only question is whoever thinks we shouldn’t draft a qb is really missing mark Dominick or want to sign josh freeman to a contract. either one of the top 2 qb’s will be better than what we have and it’s kinda silly to say don’t draft a possible franchise quarterback because the rest of the team is horrible……as if you can address every issue on a team you have in one draft. who thinks like that? fans of loser franchises
January 12th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
lol trade for someone else’s franchise qb who we already know cant win a playoff game even though they have a top 10 offense……..everyone talks like they haven’t evaluated anybody in the draft knowing the moment the lovie smith got here and evaluated the qb position he knew he needed a quarterback and the fact that he didn’t draft one last year just says they knew who they wanted to draft after the first quarter of the season
January 12th, 2015 at 4:09 pm
I really want to order a custom “Mariota” #8 Bucs home white jersey and wear it to the draft. Instead, I think I’ll take that money and save it until the day after the 1st round of the draft. Then, I want to pay for a helicopter ticket and a megaphone. I want to ride said helicopter to the top of a mountain and with said megaphone SHOUT “I TOLD YOU SO!!!” to all these in-denial Florida-homers clinging in desperation to their criminal #5.
Can’t wait.
January 12th, 2015 at 4:28 pm
I’m amazed at Joe, and some of the commenters here on JoeBucsFan. First, I am one of those “Plain Insane” Bucs fans, (who by the way is a Charter Season Ticket Holder~~That’s 38 years worth my Friends!) who’s opposed to drafting either Mariota or Winston.
1. We have so, so, sooo many needs, especially on our OL, that it doesn’t matter who we stick behind center, the results will be the same until we address this problem first; and
2. I don’t see “Franchise Quarterback” in either Mariota or Winston…Both are talented, but neither are of “Manning/Brees/Ryan/Brady” caliber.
3. Do you all recall how it’s worked out the last times we have drafted a Quarterback with our first round pick? See Vinnie Testaverde, Trent Dilfer, and Josh Freeman.
4. “If” we can parlay our Number One Pick into a package of a lower No. 1; a couple of No. 2’s and an additional 3rd, or two lower No. 1’s; or a lower No. 1 this year and a lower No. 1 next year and a No. 2 this year, with all of the holes we have on this team, it would be foolish not to snatch up such an offer!
5. There will be a decent journeyman QB this year, and one that is not necessarily a Free Agent right now, that will become available who can upgrade what we have now.
6. The last three Super Bowl winning QB’s have been Russell Wilson, (who admittedly looked great against Green Bay this week); Joe Flacco, and Eli Manning. NONE of these QB’s are monumental, stellar QB’s like “Manning/Brees/Ryan/Brady”! I know and understand that the game has changed….My point is that we have so many other needs, that getting the “Franchise QB” should not be our top priority, especially as St.PeteBucFan said, if the talent ain’t there!
January 12th, 2015 at 4:42 pm
and THIS is why there is no point in arguing anything with anyone on this board.
everyone is trying to read their own hopes and dreams into whatever anyone of the uppers say (Lovie, Licht, Koetter, etc).
Some people read this as being an obvious selection for Mariotta, some see it as obvious signs pointing to Winston.
At the end of they day, what you think or what you want means NOTHING.
January 12th, 2015 at 4:46 pm
So you mean to tell me he isn’t on the Eagles practice squad, ready to lead Chip Kelly’s offense into the promised land next year?
I’m sorry that you had to take the time to research that.
Unfortunately, no one will care, even though its FACT and a great indictment on the SYSTEM that is run at Oregon.
January 12th, 2015 at 4:47 pm
Mike Glennon Mob just won’t die. LOL
January 12th, 2015 at 5:13 pm
QB makes all the difference. Just look at Indy. They were perennial playoff contenders with their #1 overall pick Peyton Manning. Then he gets injured and misses a season and they fall to the worst record in the NFL. Contender to #1 draft pick from losing a franchise QB. So what do they do, draft a new one in Luck. Voila, back to being a playoff contender. Nah, having a franchise QB makes no difference at all… Why bother trying to draft one.
January 12th, 2015 at 5:40 pm
I’ll just stay on the Glennon bandwagon like I’ve been from the start. Let the smoke clear and go from there.
January 12th, 2015 at 5:48 pm
Mariota is the king of screen plays. If you want to specialise in underneath routes, Mariota is your guy. Probably one of the greatest prospects in years when it comes to throwing to an open guy in the flat.
If, on the other hand, you want a guy who throws downfield…
January 12th, 2015 at 6:03 pm
@Luther
If you haven’t seen Mariota make that throw it’s because you haven’t watched enough highlights.
I’ve seen one of Mariota breaking contain…..rolling…rolling..extending the play and then firing a 20 yard between two defenders in the end zone for a TD!!!
Mariota has skill. Trying to tear down Mariota doesn’t actually make Jameis look better. Jameis had a sophomore slump. Not the end of the world but as one poster pointed out, any time you take an underclassman you run a risk.
Jameis has had one excellent year. ONE!!!
@Keith in Tampa. Well thought out post with many excellent points!
January 12th, 2015 at 6:51 pm
What happened to being a self-proclaimed general in the MGM? 😉
January 12th, 2015 at 8:58 pm
Is that for me MWWP?
I’m no general in that army. I’ve never thought he was the next great thing but what’s fair is fair and I thought he DID outplay McCown and also believe he hasn’t been given a proper chance.
Again I view QB’s in three groups.
1.) Can carry a team. Very rare only 2-4 in the league at any one time.
2.) Solid pros who when surrounded by a good team will not prevent it from getting to the SB.
3.) Guys who keep you from winning.
I think that Jameis or Marcus both have a better chance of reaching that necessary level #2 than MG8 but I haven’t totally written MG8 off as being able to serve as a caretaker QB in that 2nd class if he had the proper coaching, playcalling and Oline in front of him.
January 12th, 2015 at 10:02 pm
Maybe they should draft this 3rd string Ohio State QB. He’s looking pretty strong right now.
January 13th, 2015 at 11:31 am
As if I wasn’t confused enough I just researched Heisman winners a little. Since 2000 only one winner was a non-QB (Ingram) and not discussing the past four only three are still in the league/have succeeded. However, those three were the only QB’s picked 1st overall, which proves…..nothing.
January 13th, 2015 at 4:39 pm
If you saw the championship game last night, you saw that Mariota had a hard time getting to his 2nd and 3rd progressions, and when he did, he threw the ball inaccurately. You can’t do that in the NFL.