Baker Mayfield = Lamar Jackson
June 11th, 2024
Haters gonna hate.
Don’t come at Joe with your hate. The numbers don’t lie.
Let’s say, for whatever reason, Bucs quarterback Baker Mayfield didn’t re-sign in March and he bolted for greener pastures. And with a void at quarterback, Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht didn’t just make a splash but rocked the football world by finding a way to acquire Crows quarterback Lamar Jackson.
Joe doesn’t think one Bucs fan would have been irked by this (except those who didn’t like the ransom Licht would have had to pay for Jackson). Jackson, a tremendous quarterback, is also the closest thing the NFL currently has to a deity in his prime. He just won his second MVP trophy.
Think about it: If anyone dares utter a discouraging word about Jackson, he or she is banished to the fires of hell by the NFL’s self-anointed thought police.
Yet, what if Joe told you the Bucs already have Jackson on the roster? Well, at least his production.
Joe always says — always — how the NFL is all about production. Former Bucs coach Dirk Koetter often said how the NFL is a “production league.”
Production, production, production. If you can’t produce, get the hell off the field and make way for someone who can.
So here are very interesting production numbers for you:
Jackson last year produced 29 touchdowns. He had 24 passing and 5 touchdowns on the ground. Not bad.
Mayfield, meanwhile, also produced 29 touchdowns. He threw for 28 and ran in a touchdown.
Joe isn’t exactly a math whiz but Joe’s pretty sure Mayfield’s numbers of touchdowns produced add up to the same amount as Jackson’s.
Yet Jackson can virtually do no wrong. Why, he’s a modern-day John Elway.
Yet Mayfield produced just as many touchdowns as the great Jackson. And Mayfield gets shat on by #NFLMedia left and right. Why is that?
(Oh, and ssshhh… Mayfield has as many playoff wins as Jackson, too. And Mayfield has half as many playoff losses as Jackson. Just keep that to yourself, will ya? Joe doesn’t want to see you get in trouble with the Mayfield haters, you know?)
QBs with the most passing + rushing TDs this season:
Josh Allen – 44
Dak Prescott – 38
Jalen Hurts – 38
Jordan Love – 36
Brock Purdy – 33
Jared Goff – 32
Russell Wilson – 29
Baker Mayfield – 29
Lamar Jackson – 29
Tua Tagovailoa – 29— NFL Stats (@NFL_Stats) February 17, 2024
June 11th, 2024 at 7:10 am
Russell Wilson was available this offseason too
June 11th, 2024 at 7:15 am
Yea..I said all along that getting Mayfield signed was huge. If that didn’t happen then that changes the entire draft. The Bucs would’ve had to mortgage the future to move up and grab one of the top three or four guys. Getting Matfield back was genius.
June 11th, 2024 at 7:27 am
The traskateers will be livid
June 11th, 2024 at 7:32 am
Jackson draws so much more attention. So much that the Ravens had 3x’s as many rushing TD’s not scored by the QB. 147 extra points on the board vs 49?
Guess those numbers were not added in to make the case.
Ravens were also 7th in Red Zone Efficiency vs the Bucs 27th.
Blame it on the OC because Mayfield = Jackson.
Ravens may have not beaten the Chiefs with Jackson but he would have beat the Lions with the Bucs.
June 11th, 2024 at 7:41 am
Is Jackson’s production worth the extra $20 MILLION per year? We get Baker and ME13 for the same price as Jackson. Good deal imo
June 11th, 2024 at 7:53 am
Wow, when you write it all in plain site, what isn’t to love about Baker! I truly respect Lamar, but we are so lucky to have Baker. Josh Allen on top and he isn’t really talked about either. Dak Prescott is still waiting for his contract. These stats don’t lie.
Lt. Dan is correct. We would have mortgaged the future for Lamar since in 2023 he signed a 5 yr contract for around $260 mil. I think Baker’s 3 yr contract is worth up to $115 mil. A 5 yr contract may have earned him another $60 mil. Josh Allen’s 6 yr contract in 2021 is worth around $258 mil.
June 11th, 2024 at 7:55 am
lol, I keep waiting longer between trips back here, and it just never gets better. No, baker is absolutely not Lamar, give me Lamar 100/100 times. You love quoting things and ignoring half the truth. 821 yards on the ground, vs 151….but yea “ we already have Lamar” such a clown take
June 11th, 2024 at 7:56 am
Baker better be giving Mike half of his salary, only reason he still has a job
June 11th, 2024 at 7:59 am
This is like comparing a Geo Prism to a Corvette, as far as talent goes Mayfield shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same breath as Lamar Jackson c’mon man.
Baker is closer to Tim Tebow or Mark Sanchez
June 11th, 2024 at 8:12 am
@Dude
I really like and respect Tim Tebow. He is a nice guy. However, I don’t think his 3 season stats with the Broncos and Jets were over the top, 17 TDs. He got cut and signed with the Pats and played preseason, and then they cut him. No comparison to Baker. I respect Mark Sanchez too. However, he was on six different teams. Baker only four teams including our Bucs. And the Browns forced him out for Watson. Huge error in judgement.
June 11th, 2024 at 8:13 am
Ravens were top 1 or 2 in Yards per carry, Bucs were dead last. That tells the whole story if you are bright enough. Jackson has no touch on his passes and yes I will say it, totally overrated as a QB but is a strong weapon because he can run. One day he will get lit up and that running thing comes to an end
June 11th, 2024 at 8:15 am
It is a one years worth of stats.
Things people can take away from one year of stats.
1. Baker, Tua Jackson and Wilson are the same.
2. Patrick Mahomes is over-rated.
3. Dak Prescott and Jalen Hurts are the 2nd best QB’s in the league.
4. Mike Tannebaum says that if he were to draft today that he would take Jordan Love before anyone else besides Patrick Mahomes. Maybe he has a point.
June 11th, 2024 at 8:23 am
One major difference between them is Baker never had to run off the field in the middle of a game to poop.
June 11th, 2024 at 8:28 am
Did someone get roasted for criticizing Lamar or something?
I remember bringing this up at one point – how Baker has a better playoff record AND better playoff stats/performances. Not to diss Lamar as much as it was to give Baker props. Altho Lamar’s stats are not great and I do see some articles criticizing his playoff play dropoff on PFT.
Baker 2-2 with 1153 yards, 10 TDs, 3 INT
Lamar 2-4 with 1324 yards, 6 TDs, 6 INT
June 11th, 2024 at 8:35 am
Using games won/lost as a metric in direct player comparisons works best in Tennis where it’s actually one vs. one, doesn’t move the needle in foootball as there are way more moving parts. So talking about any QB like a tennis player or a baseball pitcher is ridiculous wins are not a QB stat, that’s a team stat but I get it it makes it so you have a justifiable reason makes these wild comparisons.
Numbers don’t fully account for consistency, accuracy and all the other nuances you’d desire from the QB position. Jackson isn’t talking about correcting/working on his footwork at OTAs this year cause that’s not a problem for him.
June 11th, 2024 at 8:37 am
While everyone concedes that QB IS the most important position, it’s FAR from the only position.
QB is one of eleven on offense, needs 11 more studs on defense, and good ST’s to compete week in and week out in the NFL.
Lamar Jackson was clearly on a team with more talent after the Bucs Brady years required some cap adjustment. This season is different. The Bucs will field more talent than last season and they now have a year’s experience as a team.
Baker has always played for sorry teams or at best teams with mediocre talent.
He had a year or two in Cleveland with some talent but many were malcontents the Browns owner is an idiot, ditto for Carolina. LA was a cup of coffee.
So Baker gets his FIRST REAL CHANCE to show his stuff this season. His OL will be markedly improved, not just Barton but a years experience and growth or the two young guys. His targets are largely the same as last year but CG14 will finally be back in the slot where he excels and the depth at WR is terrific.
Just as importantly for Baker are the 11 guys on the other side of the ball. The Bucs D has also had a revitalizing surge from young guys and some of the old guys like Vea appear to be in better shape physically. The Bucs defensive backs are also better, can you way Whitehead instead of Ryan Neal a freaking MAJOR improvement along with some key additions at CB and the continuing maturity of McCollum who is a ferocious hitter for a DB, along with Whitehead and Winfield. Receivers better have their heads on swivels if they run through the Bucs secondary this season.
Yeah I’m the blog leader of #teampositive, the cockeyed optimist, and the team like all the others needs to stay healthy but you gotta like where the Bucs are positioned entering the season.
AND they have a backup QB in Trask who is poised to become the next superstar if Baker goes down, at least according to many here. I remain open minded.
Baker is NOT going to regress this season! His stats might but the most important stats W’s will not as the Bucs get a 4th consecutive Division crown!
June 11th, 2024 at 8:39 am
well, there you have it Baker = Lamar Jackson. I mean it makes since since the late great Gil Brandt said Lamar should have changed position to receiver coming out in the draft. And Baker was drafted #1 overall while Jackson became the 32nd pick that year. Not sure where Joe was going with this one because Jackson is one of the more critiqued and criticized QBs in the league. I need Baker to succeed, but the comparison is apples to oranges, except production
June 11th, 2024 at 9:01 am
“Jackson isn’t talking about correcting/working on his footwork at OTAs this year cause that’s not a problem for him.”
Maybe he should work at it. Baker’s stats blow Lamar’s out of the water in the playoffs.
June 11th, 2024 at 9:07 am
Lmao this is a clown take. Baker was mid last year with at most 6 good games out of 19 that was played. Detroit game Baker was mid just got lucky with tds to Mike
June 11th, 2024 at 9:08 am
Baker is a much better QB.
Jackson is much more popular with delussonal crowd. Jackson will always have injury issues. A great part of his game is as a running QB.
Running QBs can be effective in college.
In the NFL, defenders are all much bigger, Stronger, faster.
If a QB runs alot, he wont run for long.
Rbs have really short career longevity
Given the Choice, Id take Mayfield
June 11th, 2024 at 9:15 am
“Maybe he should work at it. Baker’s stats blow Lamar’s out of the water in the playoffs.”
Lord, you are talking about a no time MVP winner, no time all-pro, 1 time pro bowl alternate vs an AP 2 time MVP winner, 2 time all-pro, & 3 time pro bowler, be foreal.
June 11th, 2024 at 9:17 am
Agree with Capt. Tim.
Very true, Lamar is a running QB. More injuries are going to happen. The NFL owners and coaches want that running QB more and more. My choice is Baker too!
June 11th, 2024 at 9:21 am
Morning Bromosas are not a good decision, Joe.
June 11th, 2024 at 9:21 am
“…banished to the fires of hell by the NFL’s self-anointed thought police.”
Self appointment persecution; a hallmark of the unchallenged .
June 11th, 2024 at 9:30 am
StPete … You brought tears to my eyes with your focus on TEAM while virtually everyone else took Joe’s bait (Joe’s got a whole tackle box full of ‘lures’ it appears). Joe’s apparently a huge believer in catch-and-release, because he keeps catching the same ones.
Joe provided a comprehensive list of QBs with the most TDs, headed by Josh Allen (44), Dak Prescott (38) & Jalen Hurts (38), followed by Jordan Love (36), Brock Purdy (33) & Jared Goff (32) BEFORE we get to Baker, Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson & Tua all tied with 29. Did Baker get compared with any of those ABOVE him on the list, or with Wilson or Tua who tied him? No, Lamar got singled out. Lamar is VERY MUCH a different type of QB BTW, and one who fits quite nicely in Baltimore’s offensive philosophy. Comparing those two is pointless.
By-passing that, you nailed it in your analysis of Bucs’ enhancements this year. I’m expecting a good year also. And like you said … ‘QB IS the most important position, it’s FAR from the only position.’ Yea verily.
June 11th, 2024 at 9:30 am
Cam was an MVP level QB until he lost a step. I expect similar from Lamar, Hurts, Tua
June 11th, 2024 at 9:33 am
“Lord, you are talking about a no time MVP winner, no time all-pro, 1 time pro bowl alternate vs an AP 2 time MVP winner, 2 time all-pro, & 3 time pro bowler, be foreal.”
I’m just talking playoffs man. Lamar has been much better in the regular season sure but much worse in the playoffs when the games matter more for whatever reason. And who cares about pro bowls lol that’s a popularity metric.
I like him so I hope he can figure it out. These are the Ravens total points scored in Lamar’s playoff games:
17 (Chargers – L)
38 (Giants – W)
12 (Titans – L)
20 (Titans – W)
3 (Bills – L)
32 (Houston – W)
10 (Chiefs – L)
avg of 22 PPG
vs Baker:
48 (Steelers – W)
17 (Chiefs – L)
32 (Eagles – W)
31 (Lions – L)
avg of 32 PPG
June 11th, 2024 at 9:34 am
Welp, They both have as many rings as I do.
June 11th, 2024 at 9:38 am
Cornelius, trying to shrink a player comp to JUST playoff games is pointless, that’s a team stat and if I were to use that logic even though “QB wins” are empty calorie to me. I’d just Jackson is 6-3 against Mayfield over his career. Now matter how you slice it, Baker Mayfield isn’t better or equal to Lamar Jackson, maybe at golf, but not football.
June 11th, 2024 at 9:40 am
Yes he does catch the same ones. He got DR hook, line and sinker.
June 11th, 2024 at 9:42 am
This is exactly why numbers only tell a small part of the story. Anyone who believe mediocre Baker is just as good as Lamar knows nothing about the game. LMAO I cant believe I read football articles from someone who is trying to tell us Baker = Lamar LMAO. Good one Joes. Really cracked me up with this one.
June 11th, 2024 at 9:49 am
Baker and Lamar are two very different QBs on two very different teams.
That said, Lamar has only one playoff win. Baker has two. Jackson is a little over hyped, but he is more exciting…I guess. Both take a beating.
June 11th, 2024 at 9:49 am
stpetebucfan Says: “While everyone concedes that QB IS the most important position, it’s FAR from the only position.” You are 100% right. The eleven guys on the other side of the ball are just as important. Great comment. #teampositive.
Beeej Says: “Cam was an MVP level QB until he lost a step.” True, I think he was right up there with total TDs too.
June 11th, 2024 at 9:53 am
To tell the truth, I would have thought Jackson had a lot playoff wins the way he is hyped. I don’t really follow the Ravens so I never really kept track of them. I was shocked to see he had only won one.
June 11th, 2024 at 9:58 am
Lamarr ran for 821 yards last season.
For comparison White ran for 990.
Pretty big stat to omit.
June 11th, 2024 at 10:01 am
Lamar Jackson outshines Baker Mayfield in virtually every other stat. This comparison is silly, just because one stat is the same.
June 11th, 2024 at 10:02 am
This is ridiculous. It completely negates everything Lamar does on the ground, not to mention he does not have the same weapons in the passing game. Lamar produced an extra 32 first downs with his legs, and the team scored 6.5 more points per game on average. His best receiver was the tight end and he got injured. Not to mention Lamar sat out week 18 so played one less game. The comparison is absolutely ridiculous. This team would easily be better with Lamar, in fact they would be a favorite for the NFC to go to the Super Bowl. Ridiculous lol
June 11th, 2024 at 10:03 am
I was fine with the Bucs re-signing Baker – I just didn’t want them to overpay for him and give him 4-5 years fully guaranteed…
The deal he signed this off-season with the Bucs was totally fair for both parties.
I agree with Chris Sims QB rankings which put Baker at @ #15. That is exactly where he belongs and that is what his new deal also indicates.
Baker is NOT an elite QB but we can win with him at QB as long as we have a top 5 defense and a top 5 running game.
June 11th, 2024 at 10:05 am
“Cornelius, trying to shrink a player comp to JUST playoff games is pointles”
In your opinion but not mine.
I think there is a value to seeing how a player does in the playoffs vs regular season. More value in that than in pro bowl votes IMO.
It’d be one thing if Baker was on amazing teams compared to the Ravens, or playing way worse teams in the playoffs, or the Ravens D was sucking in these bad playoff performances by Lamar, but that isn’t the case really.
June 11th, 2024 at 10:06 am
With Evans and Godwin you should be scoring touchdowns.
June 11th, 2024 at 10:09 am
stpetebucfan, well said.
I’m hoping Baker turns into our version of what Drew Brees was for the Saints.
Jason Licht has given him everything he needs to succeed.
But if Mayfield falls flat, it is all on him.
June 11th, 2024 at 10:16 am
“Josh Allen on top and he isn’t really talked about either.”
Not in Buffalo, where I can’t drive my car without seeing his pre-pubescent facial hair plastered on a billboard or some dumb lawn sign nominating him for president.
June 11th, 2024 at 10:17 am
Yes, you do take Lamar 100 outta 100 times. That’s a no-brainer and automatic. BUT, Joe is spot on about Lamar never doing any wrong according to ESPN and most media, that it’s basically career suicide to openly criticize him publicly on-air. Most of these guys are weak flakes to begin with. They can’t take the attacks and blow back by taking an actual stance and having a real opinion. Money to money, Baker could be the much better deal tho, depending on how he plays this upcoming season. Baker has seemed to make A LOT more on endorsements through they years… Having an agent helps. I was just thinking a few months ago, that as good and as popular he is, you NEVER see Lamar racking up any endorsement deals whatsoever, & I believe that’s very telling. Tho, it could be that he can’t freaking talk… He’s much more like DWhite in that way.
June 11th, 2024 at 10:25 am
Trask, given the opportunity, would have a 50-burger up there
Bwahahahahahahahahaha
June 11th, 2024 at 10:45 am
I would take baker over jackson.
June 11th, 2024 at 10:54 am
Jackson has led his team to the AFC Championship game as Joe often say “a few plays” from a Super Bowl.
I could throw the ball a Country Mile at one time. I am as about as Equal to Mayfield as Mayfield is to Jackson.
Ravens should send Tampa a Thank You Card as the Bucs/Mayfield got them a Prime Time Monday night game in October. Rule of thumb is take the Home Team on Monday Night when they are getting points. Although the Bucs should be favored with the QB position being equal.
June 11th, 2024 at 10:54 am
If the Bucs had a top 3 rushing attack like the Ravens do – how much better would Baker Mayfield be? The answer is a LOT better.
Jackson accounting for a bunch of those rushing yards does have to factor into the question though…..
June 11th, 2024 at 10:57 am
StickinUp4Centers Says: “Josh Allen on top and he isn’t really talked about either.”
“Not in Buffalo, where I can’t drive my car without seeing his pre-pubescent facial hair plastered on a billboard or some dumb lawn sign nominating him for president.”
You gave me the biggest laugh! Visualizing it now. Loving the yard sign idea. I grew up in NY. Never will forget Jim Kelly’s playing days. Doug Flutie and Flutie Flakes. Good times and memories.
June 11th, 2024 at 11:07 am
I’m with Bonzai. Mayfield seems more like Brees in play, career direction, and attitude.
I am 100% A-OK with Mayfield as the Bucs’ Drew Brees.
2024 will tell us much about Mayfield’s future in Tampa; I suspect it will be a long ride with the Bake.
June 11th, 2024 at 11:13 am
Yes but when any NFL second round non- wild card playoff game occurs Lamar is contracted outside his organization to take a dive in in the 1st round/quarter or emotionally fold up like an angry aging lesbian feminist. So, obviously Baker and he are NOT the same.
June 11th, 2024 at 11:28 am
I’m still trying to wrap my tiny brain around this article. I mean it’s definitely going to stir up debate. It RIDICULOUS to even compare Baker to LaMarr and Joe using the phrase “we already have a Jackson on our roster” is fun. So using the TDS produced model that you are trying to sell, we would be better off with James Winston at QB because he produced TDs? You are cherry picking 1 tiny sabermetric. Skip all the other stats? Jackson’s multiple thousand yards rushing season and over 800 just last year? And that’s not even talking about the disparity between the 2 conference’s and schedules.
I get the schedule is not Bakers fault but let’s not look at this through just 1 stat without running it through a vacuum. Baker is a serviceable QB that can consistently win 8-9 games if given a defense. Jackson with our offensive weapons wins 12-13 in our weak division and has a CAREER HOF year and might even rewrite the record books with the scrub teams he would place twice. It’s not the Steelers, Bengals, Browns etc. so not “hate coming at you Joe”. Joe that ONE “number don’t lie” ? But It’s only one sliver of productivity. Fun article thoug
June 11th, 2024 at 11:30 am
Yes, but what does the all knowing, all seeing Quarterback Whisperer (Oneilbuc) have to say about it? That’s when we’ll all gain true knowledge, through his tutelage.
June 11th, 2024 at 11:35 am
I like my QB to run like Tom Brady.
When he would take off running, most of us didnt even know he COULD run.
We thought the best he could do was a slow jog.
Want my QB to stay healthy and throw the ball.
If he gets hurt the season s pretty much over
Let the running back run.
If he gets hurt, we just throw more
June 11th, 2024 at 11:35 am
All these ass wipes who regularly show up here to bash Baker…can’t you find another team to root for. I’d take Baker any day over Lamar who is completely overrated
June 11th, 2024 at 11:50 am
“All these ass wipes who regularly show up here to bash Baker…can’t you find another team to root for. I’d take Baker any day over Lamar who is completely overrated”
It’s the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, not the Tampa Bay Baker Mayfields’ go cry somewhere else
June 11th, 2024 at 11:51 am
Nice read Joe, Baker was pretty good in college, helped Cleveland out till the shoulder, I know a little bout that, ouch 😳. He’s doing his yoga or something and last season he didn’t get all bent out of shape in the lull and started kicking a$$ in the end. Hopefully Coen can get in sync with him !!! Go Bucs!!!! Online looking good in panties.. hahaha 🤣
June 11th, 2024 at 12:09 pm
Dude you are nothing but an ignorant snowflake…nobodies crying except you baker haters
June 11th, 2024 at 12:12 pm
Baker will get a superbowl ring with the bucs and Lamar won’t with the ravens…eat that
June 11th, 2024 at 12:19 pm
Dude Says:
“All these ass wipes who regularly show up here to bash Baker…can’t you find another team to root for. I’d take Baker any day over Lamar who is completely overrated”
It’s the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, not the Tampa Bay Baker Mayfields’ go cry somewhere else.
^^^^^^^^
I get the frustration. A lot of Tampa “fans” continuously bag the players: pretty much the entire OL (minus Wirfs), every CB, Baker, Rb (Joe inspired), JTS, Hall, etc. Basically 50% of the starters. If you’re not a Pro Bowler, you suck. What’s funny is Baker was a PB. Other fans root for players to get better. Bucs fans hate and look for failure. There is more criticism of the Bucs on this site than any NFCS other team site. I’m not from Florida so maybe it’s a FL thing. Y’all are different. On the Westcoast we root for our teams. Hell or highwater. Ride or die.
June 11th, 2024 at 12:26 pm
I think it is going to be an interesting year
June 11th, 2024 at 12:42 pm
“On the Westcoast we root for our teams. Hell or highwater. Ride or die.”
Rooting for my team is one thing.
Evaluating and looking at the talent on the team on a player to player basis is totally different. Being honest about Baker Mayfield isn’t “hate” it’s being able to split the pros and cons look at what he can do to be BETTER as a QB & contributor on this team. 2023 was good for Baker and his talent, but it’s not be confused with best in the league especially considering he just said last week he’s working on his footwork. You’d be surprised how many of his cons get righted should he actually commit to commanding more control of himself in the pocket.
Again, it ain’t hate, but as a fan of the game of football comparing Mayfield to that Drew Brees is just unrealistic and the same rah rah rah stuff some Buc fans use to discount Dave Canales time as our OC. Like fans will make excuses for his play, but anybody else is a 0 excuse policy. I guess that comes with the polarization of playing the QB position.
June 11th, 2024 at 12:42 pm
Cobraboy Says:
June 11th, 2024 at 11:07 am
I’m with Bonzai. Mayfield seems more like Brees in play, career direction, and attitude.
I am 100% A-OK with Mayfield as the Bucs’ Drew Brees.
If Mayfield goes 10-7 with the Bucs every year going forward he will match Brees wins at the end of 2036 at age 41. In addition he will have to throw for over 4600 yards each of those seasons. Needs to add on 11 more Pro Bowls in those 13 seasons to equal Brees at 12 also. Tall order for a guy that was 1 bad season away from the Back Up role. OK
June 11th, 2024 at 12:47 pm
This is such a bad take. Lamar is a top 5 QB in the league and one of the most dynamic talents we have ever seen from the QB position. He has a 62-24 record as a QB and is a two time MVP. Meanwhile Baker was fighting for his career last season. The Ravens tried signing Baker last year as a back up but some in here are trying to claim he’s the better QB lol. I’m rooting for Baker but these type of takes are insane and delusional coming from the people constantly accusing others of being in a cult
June 11th, 2024 at 12:51 pm
Just got 30 to 1 on the Bucs to win nfc. 3.5 to 1 to win nfc south. Baker will have a pro bowl year. With Chris back at slot full time, he should flourish. My only concern is that, with a more complex offense, receivers may screw up routes here and there, opening door for a few more picks😳baker alluded to the mentally taxing scheme. Hope we have some high iq players out there.
June 11th, 2024 at 12:59 pm
@D Cone: what part of “play, career direction, and attitude” did you not understand?
If I had wanted to include stats I would have.
I’m not a stat guy at all. I am a team play guy.
Team
The only stat I care about is wins, and that is a TEAM stat.
June 11th, 2024 at 1:35 pm
Going to support our qb no matter my feelings. But if you would take baker over Lamar to me that’s foolish. Way to much upside with Jackson
June 11th, 2024 at 1:54 pm
These are interesting takes, Lamar has not had the weapons the Bucs have had in his playing career. Ravens were a few plays from beating the Chiefs, those were plays like personal fouls and taunting penalties that stopped them.
June 11th, 2024 at 2:05 pm
Jackson handed the ball off inside the 10 about 15 times last year.
Mayfield is one of the best journeyman QB in league.
Your click bait gets you one read and a lifetime ban.
June 11th, 2024 at 2:29 pm
Ravens averaged almost 8 points more per game than the Bucs last year. I think Lamar is better clearly better. If we just go on that list Baker is as good as Russell Wilson. Not a ringing endorsement.
June 11th, 2024 at 2:51 pm
That’s quite the haul for 1 trip Joe, what’s the bag limit?
June 11th, 2024 at 2:55 pm
Jackson hasn’t showed for the post season games when QB’s need to be their best, whole team as well but against the Chef’s Jackson was horrible, d was good but he could do nothing. Would anyone take Jackson over Brady at the same age?
Rogers? I would also say look what Reid has done with Maholmes AND McNabb. That looks like team, scheme and desire not just QB.
June 11th, 2024 at 3:11 pm
I can not stop laughing, what a joke.
June 11th, 2024 at 3:42 pm
Will the Buccaneers get Lamar Jackson from the ravens or will they keep Mayfield?
June 11th, 2024 at 4:07 pm
Lol 😂😂 this got to be a joke 🤣🤣 . You see this right here is what I be talking about . This the proof that people don’t hate Baker like his fans says . Some of y’all go waay and beyond about Baker Mayfield.
June 11th, 2024 at 4:19 pm
Bucben61 Says:
“All these @$$ wipes who regularly show up here to bash Baker…can’t you find another team to root for.”
I don’t know if I qualify as a Baker hater at this point, but either way, it’s not your place to suggest people go elsewhere.
Dude is right…it’s not the Tampa Bay Baker Mayfields. No player is greater than the whole franchise.
Now, I’m not going to tell you to go away or anything…because you have the right to your opinion.
Personally, I’m hoping he does well. I was against him last year…he had a lot to prove to me. But toward the end of the year he did enough to convince me I might have been wrong about him. I ate crow then, and I don’t mind it now.
But…he has not proven he is good or great…he has proven he has the potential to be. If he can eliminate the rollercoaster ride and fulfill his potential, I’m all for it.
But…he’ll have no excuses this year. New, young oline. Great WRs. And the running game should be better with the improved oline.
But he has to stop the turnovers in big games. Blaming the defense for the playoff loss is silly…he turned the ball over.
June 11th, 2024 at 6:54 pm
Baker is a far superior quarterback than Lamar Jackson! Jackson is a running back who throws the ball sometimes. Strictly looking at passing numbers Jackson has extremely mediocre numbers. There is no way he should have even been considered for MVP. He also chokes in big moments!
June 11th, 2024 at 7:17 pm
Lamar Jackson wouldn’t be a good fit for Tampa I think we got the right guy we just got to give him time to get his stuff together and the teams stuff together !
June 11th, 2024 at 7:38 pm
Big difference, Lamar ran for 821 yards and 5 tuddys last season Joe. I agree with your larger point though. Mayfield does have alot of haters in national media. His value and how good he is not accurately depicted by national media. I think it will always be that way Baker going forward. He has a brazen not kissing *** for attention from national writers and pundits personality. Go Bucs!!
June 11th, 2024 at 7:50 pm
LOL!
June 11th, 2024 at 10:35 pm
The fanboo clownery is in fool effect with this one! Nothing like a fanboo alchemist trying to make gold out of lead!
Mayfield hasn’t even made it to the .500 win column and you want to make him out to be better than Jackson who’s over .700 because their stats were similar for one year……Priceless! Even Mayfield’s best ever in his career stats were just good enough to land him in the 15th-17th among qbs.
BakerBent61 the reason there is hate for Baker up here is because of fanboos like you and others who spew your bile any time anything is said against your teen idol crush. Unlike you “guys” we watch the 1st 3/4s of the games while he’s sucking it up while you watch the 4th quarter as he pads his stats and makes it look better than it really is. This board has gotten worse since your ilk have done up here.
Though I know Jackson is better than Mayfield can’t see how he made MVP with his stats last year and Brady got robbed in 2020 & 2021 with 40+ tds each season.
June 11th, 2024 at 11:11 pm
Bucman. You got to be Baker Mayfield brother or a relative to say something like that 🤣. Again comments like this is the reason why y’all need to stop saying people hate Baker. Then this guy said Lamar throws picks and lose games. It’s funny Lamar Jackson played in the AFC championship Baker threw a pick that lost the game against the lions. Man you can’t make this stuff up!! Lol 🤣🤣. Baker is on his 4th team in 6 years while Lamar is still playing with the team that drafted him . Thank God you ain’t our GM that was the worst statement I’ve ever seen on the site lol 🤣🤣!!
June 12th, 2024 at 12:34 am
Bravo, Joes. I’m too tired to find Osqueeltard’s predictable inane gibberish. She needs to take her Cleveland Browns JaMiss poster into the tub with her for a good cry.
June 12th, 2024 at 9:54 am
Baker annoyed a lot of scribes and pundits with his combative style in college and at the Browns. Time and Fatherhood has calmed him down but people never forgive or forget contrary to what they hear in Church or from their parents.
June 12th, 2024 at 10:03 am
You wonder which receiver will catch fewer passes now that the Bucs signed Bakers college buddy.
June 12th, 2024 at 10:21 am
Name one Wr that Jackson has played with that compares to Mike Evans or Chris Godwin. His whole career hes had B tier wrs and Andrews and 3 good running backs the front office is failing Jackson. Baker was blessed with 2 1k yard wr weapons a oline fresh from a super bowl win a capable defense and the softest divison to win. Baker equals 45 year old Tom Brady the brady that should have retired at 44. Numbers dont lie, give Baker all the credit you want but he won one more game then Tom in his worse season and the number were about the same, it was the team, the team learn what it took to win. Any qb could have won the games Baker won last year, zero wins against plus .500 teams in the regular season your wanna praise this man. Then compare him to a great Black QB that has been consistently great, and not the likes of Jared Goff whos had a similar up and down road.