Shaun King: Tom Brady Is “Deteriorating”

November 30th, 2022

Playing old?

Tom Brady threw 43 touchdown passes last season and has just 12 this year, so to say he’s “deteriorating” seems ridiculously obvious.

But this take runs deeper.

Former Bucs quarterback Shaun King (1999-2003), one of four men to lead the Bucs to the NFC Championship game, says Brady is “deteriorating” thanks to Father Time, so he explained this week on CBS Sports Radio.

King is a lifelong Bucs fan and is not one of those annoying analysts who doesn’t pay attention.

King was asked if Brady’s struggles are tied to “old age.”

“I think it is,” King replied. “You know the thing about Father Time, he don’t really give you like a two-week notice. … Father Time just shows up and, you know, you go to make a cut you used to make and you can’t make it; you got to throw a pass that you used to make and now, its ahhhh. … [Brady and Matt Ryan] are trying to adjust on the fly as they’re deteriorating because of age.”

No, there was no Brady bashing going on. King expressed his admiration of The Goat and even said the success ratio in New England for the Brady-Bill Belicheat dynasty was 65 percent thanks to Brady.

Simply put, King said, Brady “got old. It happens.”

Joe can’t yet agree with King’s assessment. Through Joe’s eyes, Brady looks darn good, certainly not bad enough to be the primary reason why the Bucs offense has gone from great last year to having just one more touchdown this year than Lovie Smith’s Texans.

183 Responses to “Shaun King: Tom Brady Is “Deteriorating””

  1. sasquatch Says:

    Brady is not the primary reason for bad offense. He’s missed some plays. The whole offense has. But they’re handcuffed with Leftwich.

  2. BucU Says:

    I’m so done with this Bowles/Leftwich comedy team.

  3. Hodad Says:

    It’s one of the many factors sinking this season. More of the blame should be on the coaching. Bowles has picked up as HC right where he left off with the Jets. That’s not a good thing. If he can’t run the table against our division foes, and win the division he needs to be fired.

  4. D-Rok Says:

    Has Brady declined to the point of being a liability to the offense? I don’t believe he has. See: Rams game a few weeks ago. If he has deteriorated as King implies, it’s very subtle from my standpoint.

  5. Allbuccedup Says:

    Bradys deterioration is obvious only because of aging. He still not why the team is struggling. His deterioration is still a lot better than Trask or Gabbert combined.

  6. snookman Says:

    As much as I hate to agree Shaun is right. Brady skill set is deteriorating. it is pretty obvious if you watch the game he has brilliant throws and some miscues.
    I still take him over 25 other qbs in this league but you are blind if you cannot see it. Now…………His skill set is still good enough for us to win, but not good enough to overcome poor coaching and team miscues……..With that being said our best chance to win in 2022 and 2023 is with brady and I will take him over 75% of the starting qbs out there…………but he has had some head scratching throws this season that are very un characteristic.

  7. Kentucky Buc Says:

    He’s deteriorated so far he’s still better than this clown was in his prime.

  8. tbbucs3 Says:

    While yes, the duo of Leftwhich and Bowels are incompetent….for some to suggest that Brady is still playing at an “elite” level as he leads a bottom 5 offense in the NFL is obscured

  9. Nate Says:

    Brady needs a top 5 online and this team isn’t that good

  10. TDavis Says:

    I wonder what are the specific throws/plays that he’s seen on film that Brady has missed or messed up due to his age. I’d be curious if he could find even 3 from the Browns game.

  11. tbbucs3 Says:

    This team would be better off with a mobile quarterback moving forward. Watch how Mahomes and Josh Allen play, Brady is getting much easier to defend as a statue in the pocket as he ages

  12. The Beer Whisperer Says:

    Brady has “never” been a mobile QB, and he’s done alright, lol

  13. The Beer Whisperer Says:

    Brady’s 40 time at the combine, they used an egg timer.

  14. captivajim Says:

    whats deteriorating is ; Brady’s relationship with his HC and OC . Have a hunch Brady returns to Pats next yr for swan song retirement & who knows with their cap space in ’23 Bellicheat might splurge and get a top drawer receiver for 1 last SB run…….????

  15. SB~LV Says:

    But he is by far the best option
    It was clear as a bell comparing his velocity to Bessets last game and other games as well.

  16. Lamarcus Says:

    If Brady was Heinike, Wentz, Dalton,etc …with the same stats as Brady….We will never agree he’s playing good. He will be average Not a good time to be Pom Pom Cheerleader fans

  17. D-Rok Says:

    I think what’s most likely is those shoulder and finger injuries are lingering. Age is definitely a factor in injury recovery rate.

  18. T REX Says:

    perfect storm

  19. Lamarcus Says:

    And then for his play to be acceptable…our defense has to give up 14-15 points a game. Not happening. That’s too much to ask for that defense

  20. Vsyl Says:

    Ofc he will be deteriorating little by little with age. He used to be the best in the league by far, now he is just one of the best qbs in the league. Still, the offense being this bad is not his fault, the thing is that he is not able to cover for a bad offense anymore, he needs the whole package to keep a great offense.

  21. Bojim Says:

    He hasnt lost it in just a year but he could use a little help from his coaches. So, let Brady call the plays

  22. adam from ny Says:

    yes i agree with @captivajim

    i think brady goes back to join the pats next year…

    i’m pretty sure after this year in tampa for tom, and the past few years in new england for belichik, the 2 parties have a new appreciation for each other…

    and a one year swan song with the pats is fitting…

    starting a whole new thing in a whole new place is a big challenge…

    especially if he also wants to start a whole new thing with a whole new woman…

    too much newness at once for an old goat…

    back to the pats he goes for a proper exit before he totally deteriorates…

    this year we are at least getting 88% to 92% of him…yes a slight deterioration has happened…

    most of the issues are surrounding him and not him tho…imho

  23. Mark Says:

    Maybe, but watching highlights from last year, his protection was much better, the running game was much better, and most importantly, the play calling was much better. There may be a bit of deterioration on the margins for Brady, but nothing that explains the huge drop off in productivity and efficiency of this offense. Cowardly, stupid play calling is far and away the primary cause…

  24. D-Rok Says:

    No worries guys, since Todd says teams will be doubling Julio, it will leave CG and ME in favorable matchups. We’ll be scoring 30ppg quite soon. (A mixture of sarcasm and blind optimism/hope, LOL)

    Hey, it could happen.

    GO BUCS!!!

  25. LOL Says:

    TDavis Says:
    November 30th, 2022 at 12:37 pm
    I wonder what are the specific throws/plays that he’s seen on film that Brady has missed or messed up due to his age. I’d be curious if he could find even 3 from the Browns game.

    Just look at all the throws to Mike Evans and i’m pretty sure you’ll find at least 2 poor throws, maybe up to 4.

  26. adam from ny Says:

    also don’t cut tommy b short of td’s…

    he’s got 14 at this point thru 11 games

  27. Beej Says:

    I want to see all-22 film showing specific things Brady is doing wrong, or failing to do at all. King basing his judgement on simple net numbers isn’t adequate here

  28. BrianBucs Says:

    Brady can still throw the ball farther that King ever could.
    Now if Bowles and Leftwich would just let him

  29. fern Says:

    King’s mouth Is “Deteriorating”

  30. Doug Says:

    It’s simply the coach

  31. adam from ny Says:

    if he and the offense heats up he could still toss 30…

    if he averages 3 per game for 6 games, thats 18 more…giving him 32…

    so there is a chance for 30…

    but i must admit i have been conditioned to the bucs offense of the last 2 seasons to think like this…

    the way the offense is performing this year, he is pacing for more like 22-23 td’s

  32. SPARKY Says:

    Ok Joe, 3 days of us saying the same stuff over and over. How about injuries and something on the Saints game.

  33. alton d green Says:

    I’m just curious. Is Todd Bowles you Brother-in-law or Sister-in-law? question #2 do you own a TV? #3 have you watched the Bucs this year? I’ve been watching for 6 decades. Todd Bowles is the poorest excuse for an NFL coach i’ve ever seen. Bilichick and the Patriots’ success was 65% Brady???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????that statement alone makes me die laughing. Thats why I asked if you own a TV because if you’re serious^%^%%$$^% What happened when Tom came to Tampa? SUPERBOWL! What happend to the Patriots that same year???? Their A-hole fell out. You lasted 4 years right? Tompa is in his 23rd year. He has 3000 yds with only 2 ints. Everytime they get in the red zone Todd or Lefty “Fs” it up everytime. I’ve said it before, if Todd and Lefty would get the hell out of the way we’d be polishing Tom’s 8th Lombardi trophy already with 5 games left

  34. Bucswin Says:

    I see a mental deterioration going on. Physically he seems fine. But mentally he isn’t make the right decisions that he is even happy with. It’s either age or antidepressants. Still one of the best in the league. He can’t even seem to make it work with lefttwit. When will this offense peak? Soon I hope. Yes I will have hope. Haters.

  35. The Beer Whisperer Says:

    I’m with D-Rok, I the ailments are bothering him too.

    He started the season throwing sharp. Better than he finished last year, I thought.

    And I’m sorry, I don’t look at Brady’s stats. I can see when he’s throwing well, and when he ain’t. When he’s being hurried in the pocket (if there is one) and when he ain’t. For you stat geeks.

  36. alton d green Says:

    Biden got 80 million votes right

  37. BucsFanSince1996 Says:

    I disagree with King’s assessment. Brady could have thrown another 43 TD’s this season just as he did last year. What changed is the O-line, not Brady!

    Being distracted due to going through a divorce, which isn’t easy for anyone, may have been a factor as well, but there’s no evidence of any significant physical deterioration. But losing Marpet and Jensen and the continuity on the O-line they had is the biggest factor as to why Brady has 12 TD’s so far.

  38. Joe Says:

    Ok Joe, 3 days of us saying the same stuff over and over. How about injuries and something on the Saints game.

    There are bigger issues than the slimy Saints game. MUCH bigger issues that Joe cannot, should not and will not ignore.

  39. adam from ny Says:

    stop shorting tom on the gravy…

    he has 14 td’s

  40. DungyDance Says:

    Some interesting food for thought – after Monday we travel to Frisco to play the 49ers. You know, one of the teams rumored to have Brady’s interest next year. Does he treat that game like a talent audition?

  41. BrianBucs Says:

    Lets also not forget that Evans gave up on his route about 3 times while the ball was in the air trying to get the ref to throw a flag because he was frustrated that he couldn’t get away from that corner the Browns had on him

  42. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I am a big Brady fan…..he came in and won us a Superbowl…….but you aren’t being intellectually honest if you think he hasn’t fallen off…..

    You can look at “only two interceptions” or passing yardage or completion percent…’s third down and red zone failures that have doomed the Bucs….

    Tom looks hurried….uncomfortable and has missed crucial throws that he usually doesn’t miss.

    And…..our receivers aren’t getting open quick enough for him……looks like he’s going to his first read….and that’s Rachaad White for 5 yards.

  43. Kentucky Buc Says:

    What do Joe and Ian Beckles have in common ? They both like to beat horses although Joes horses are dead.

  44. BigMacAttack Says:

    I think his hand is hurt and has been since the beginning of the season. His pride won’t let him sit out or miss time. I think his shoulder took a bad hit several games back making it worse. So he’s possibly his 2 injuries which severely affects his throwing ability and his accuracy. No one just deteriorates this quickly and his passing proficiency has been cut by 50% or more. This isn’t mental or from distractions. He just misses passes by margins he’s never done in his career. He was shaking his hand on the field again last week. It’s a physical ailment IMO. I believe if we would have started Trask by the 5’th game they would easily have 7-8 wins by now. TB12 has cost this team 3 or 4 wins

  45. orlbucfan Says:

    Can I believe my eyes? Shaun King is speaking what the Brady groupies consider blasphemy. I’m one of those commenters who recalls listening to the Bucs when Dungy and cast (including King) were starting to turn the team around into winners. A lot of clowns on here don’t remember those days. But, heck, they are good for $$clicks.$$

  46. The Beer Whisperer Says:

    @Tampabaybucfan, yep, all the above.

  47. uhmmm Says:

    people who dont think Brady is playing poorly also think the election was stolen

  48. orlbucfan Says:

    Tampabaybucfan Says:
    November 30th, 2022 at 1:08 pm
    I am a big Brady fan…..he came in and won us a Superbowl…….but you aren’t being intellectually honest if you think he hasn’t fallen off…..
    How old is this narcissistic joke? 45? 46? He’s a jock brain who has lived an incredibly charmed life. Please give it up and face reality, you idiot!

  49. The Beer Whisperer Says:

    I guess I’ll have to start watching golf. That’s a hoot!

  50. Redeemer Says:

    Brady’s line is ranked at the bottom in pass block win rate, and run block win rate. Only 5 QBs have less time to throw. His recievers rank in the bottom third in separation rate. He has a moron at head coach, and his coordinator is a bad play caller. No, Brady isn’t deteriorating, his team is.

  51. Manny Says:

    For one , he has 14 tds and not 12. My take is that no, he hasnt been slowed down due to old age. I highly doubt someone would drop that much in one season. Its multiple factors like a worse oline, terrible coaching, and the man just lost his wife/mother of his children due to divorce. Thats def going to mess with you mentally. You can also see he has been pretty drained due to his personal life. He lost weight and missed 11 days of training camp. Rest assured when he feels 100% mentally like himself again and jensen comes back next year, licht picks up a grade a left guard were good. Last but not least demote bowles and fire leftwich. Plenty better head coach material out there, cough cough (payton).

  52. SPARKY Says:

    Whoops, sorry Joe. I didn’t mean your articles. I meant us guys commenting saying the same stuff over and over. I know your job is to let us know what you find out, and you do great. I would like to just get some Intel on injuries and maybe a little bit about the saints.

  53. beano Says:

    “BigMacAttack Says: I believe if we would have started Trask by the 5th game they would easily have 7-8 wins by now.”

    Regardless of the wins, we’d have a damn good idea what Trask is like, which would be damn valuable going into the 2023 draft. Use our first pick on a QB or not? Playing Trask with the first team this season would have given meaning to this season. Instead this season is a total waste. I am convinced the Bucs are terrified of Trask doing what he has done everywhere else he has played – shine – and piss off all the Trask-hating, pro-FSU, anti-white fans.

  54. HC Grover Says:

    Sean is a part of the TV Sports Clown Show. Go away King.

  55. Ed Says:

    Brady is fine, the offense sucks, how many easy throws is he getting?

    He is making amazing throws to covered receivers. He isn’t throwing to anyone that can get open quickly, thats his game.

    Bowles and Leftwich don’t know how to work with a quarterback like Brady. He gets the ball out quickly so that means his receivers have to get open quickly. Godwin seems like the only one who does. Not having Gage healthy is a huge issue because he was supposed to be the #3 that could get open faster than Evans or Godwin. Not happening due to his health. Jones is a great vertical threat but not a get open fast guy. And Brate, please get him off the field, he is never open any more.

    Bowles and Leftwich don’t know how to call plays for the GOAT. He should be running hurryup all game. Coaching has slowed down a quick strike offense.

  56. orlbucfan Says:

    Redeemer Says:
    November 30th, 2022 at 1:24 pm
    No, Brady isn’t deteriorating, his team is.
    Horse manure or mebbe chicken cos it stinks! You a Bucs fan or not? Probably not, more like a Brady groupie who will be gone when he is.

  57. HC Grover Says:

    King is trying to cover fot his Bro’s on the coach staff. Brady is a perfect target. This is so EZ to see.

  58. Doctor_Berto Says:

    Hard to play well when the defense knows what you’re going to do every play

  59. The Beer Whisperer Says:

    Golfers are tough! Ya rarely hear about one them, going on IR.

    Tiger Woods did have back problems, but that’s attributed to his overactive sex-life, imo.

  60. Anonymous Says:

    Best defense ever against Brady , having Todd Bowles as his head coach. Its been said only one to stop Michael Jordan from scoring was Dean Smith. Bowles is doing it Brady with the help of BL.

  61. Mybucsdontbucaround813 Says:

    Combine all of our struggles with the fact that every team that plays us play like it’s their Superbowl. Three seasons of playoff play every week has took it’s toll on the rest of the team. Every young player want to shine against Brady it’s their dreams

  62. adam from ny Says:

    it’s true brady was shaking his hand and moving it around this past sunday after a hit…

    just like when he hurt it earlier in the year around the atlanta game…

    i’m surprised no one noticed or mentioned it

  63. The Beer Whisperer Says:

    Tristan Wirfs replacement, should add to the excitement. Whoever he is, will be fun to watch, I’m sure.

    Poor old Brady needing more time to throw, not less, at his age.

    Fact: In a few more years, Brady will be getting AARP stuff in the mail.

  64. NEfan Says:

    Given the chance he will prove you ALL wrong, especially the has been wannabe QB King that could only stay on the field for 4 seasons. Didn’t see Karen Roger’s or Wilson name on his trash list. Karen is in full I’m injured mode that’s why I suck.
    You may also find out at the end of the season Brady will need surgery on his hand and shoulder, you will never hear about in season becuase he goes down fighting.

    If anyone believes Mahomes, Allen or any other QB in the league can achieve under the killer B’s do not understand this game. On the other hand if Reid or Shanahan were this teams HC the SB would be on the horizon.

    On a positive note the Bucs have the most diverse coaching staff in the league which I applaud BA for his innovative thinking but unfortunately by putting the wrong individuals in place he may have set his initiative back 10 years. Thanks Again BA alias the invisible man.

  65. LJ'sDaddy Says:

    Shaun King, one of two quarterbacks to lead Tampa Bay to an NFC championship and not score a touchdown.

    This is not on Brady. I thought early maybe he was hurt. you know, the little shoulder thing. He still may be. I agree that his “deterioration” is very subtle. Give the guy a break he is 45, or is it now 46? Leftwich, Bowles. That’s the problem.

  66. The Beer Whisperer Says:

    Media: How’s your finger and shoulders, Tom?
    Brady: They are fine.

  67. Redeemer Says:

    Orl, I noticed you didn’t argue with the facts. Brady haters like you will only be happy when he leaves, and you’re back to unlovable loser status. You won’t have to wait much longer. Dooe

  68. Redeemer Says:


  69. NEfan Says:

    So Bowles would have trusted Mahomes, Allen (both have far more ints) with 30 seconds left in Browns game and uses his timeouts instead of trusting the man that blows both of them away in comeback and last minute wins?

    Sorry forgot BigMacpuddywack and oralbucs suggestion, put Trask in that situation instead. Joe apparently your blog is open to all no matter what their education level is.

    Trask, 7 or 8 wins, hahaha hahaha. The only good thing that may of happened if they started Trask is that Bowels and leftnut would have been gone by week 5. Thanks again BA!!!

  70. NEfan Says:

    Beerfart, Brady never reveals his true injury status. FYI he won YOUR team a SB with a bad knee that needed surgery during the off season. A simple Thank You Tom would be nice.

  71. Defense Rules Says:

    Redeemer … ‘Brady’s line is ranked at the bottom in pass block win rate, and run block win rate. Only 5 QBs have less time to throw. His recievers rank in the bottom third in separation rate. He has a moron at head coach, and his coordinator is a bad play caller. No, Brady isn’t deteriorating, his team is’.

    Congrats Redeemer on looking past the surface of this whole situation. First 3 sentences were spot on … Facts are facts. Have to disagree about Bowles being a ‘moron’ as a HC though. The way that the powers that be set this hierarchy up, Bucs don’t really have a HC at all IMO. Dual-hatting a coordinator to also be the HC rarely works (look at the job Dennis Allen is doing in New Orleans).

    And I’m not sure whether anyone can say Tom Brady is ‘deteriorating’ but his immobility is definitely hurting him right now. Watch him in the pocket. He used to move very instinctively within the pocket, and his OLinemen knew how to shift the pocket to protect him.

    I’m not seeing that at all right now, and that’s one of the key reasons I believe that he’s throwing so many ‘dump-offs’ to his RBs. Fournette (50 targets) & White (34) together have been targeted as much Evans (85) & Godwin (86). That wasn’t the case last year or in 2020 (probably because Brady also had Gronk & AB to throw to).

  72. The Beer Whisperer Says:

    Hey NEfan, I know Brady never reveals his injuries, or nothing else, for that matter. Don’t get sore. I have watched him and Patriot way, for as long as you have.

    You are barking up the wrong tree.

    I’ve been to games at the old Foxboro Stadium, before we ever heard of a Tom Brady. I’ve had a short conversation with Steve Grogan and his backups before their practice once. I stayed just down the road from the old Stadium in 80’s

    You should get off my porch!

  73. Dewey Selmon Says:

    when he starts throwing like Casey Weldon then I’ll believe it. It is the playcalling and situational football that is failing the offense.

  74. Show Me the TDs Says:

    I watch some of these younger QBs slide around or shift to one side or the other, to avoid sacks. They make it look effortless. I think to myself, “Brady can no longer do that”. Either a play is timed to perfection or he throws it away or in the dirt. We have too many wasted plays. Brady is still and will probably always be the GOAT, but his (T)ime is up.

  75. Darin Says:

    Don’t see it but I do see firehim and toilet already rotten

  76. Purplepirate Says:

    Yes, players have been dropping touchdown passes all season because Tom is old.


  77. NEfan Says:

    Congrats Beer@ I have a signed John Hannah Ball, I owned season tickets since Pete Carroll was HC, I won the lottery to go to Pat’s/GB SB in NO. I’ve been to games when the Sullivan’s owned the team. I dumped my season tickest the minute I could when Brady left. I thought you were taking a shot at him, just defending the GOAT. FYI most intelligent receiving core Brady ever had was Edleman, Amendola & Gronk.

  78. James Says:

    his arm hasn’t deteriorated at all, for the record.

    he’s still Tom Brady.

    I think all of you reasonable people will be pleasantly surprised with how the rest of the season goes.

    Tom plays his best in December onward. Don’t tell me I’m wrong let’s just see what happens boys GO BUCS

  79. Mike Johnson Says:

    of course Shaun King is spot on. But our Buc fans refuse to be critical of their God. The guy is old. He has to have an almost perfect O line. He cannot run 5 yrs to save his life. He has been over and under throwing receivers and back all season. For some fans, being critical of Brady is like being critical of a certain ex prez.

  80. Goatfarmer Says:

    Brian Flores or Eric Bienemy.

  81. S04 Says:

    What happened Joe?
    Your click quota running low today?
    As if there aren’t enough articles online disrespecting the GOAT
    Hope Brady leaves and for Tampa to find other ways to get media attention.
    Aren’t there other things to post? You have insight right? What the f… are owners doing about Leftwich and company clown show?Any intel?

  82. orlbucfan Says:

    The only way this team will probably win MN is they will have to carry this fossil on their shoulders. And with Wirfs hurt….who knows?

  83. The Beer Whisperer Says:

    Thank you NEfan, we have a truce. I have many connections up there, and with Patriots, I feel like.

    I actually missed the 1st half of Sundays game, picking up my old gal at the airport coming back from Boston. Her sister and her family is up there.

  84. orlbucfan Says:

    Redeemer Says:
    November 30th, 2022 at 2:23 pm
    Orl, I noticed you didn’t argue with the facts. Brady haters like you will only be happy when he leaves, and you’re back to unlovable loser status. You won’t have to wait much longer.
    You’re either a troll or a stupid Brady groupie. You sure as h3ll’s bells aren’t a Bucs fan. You’ll be gone when your idol is. Let’s hope he doesn’t get his wrinkled neck broken with Wirfs out.

  85. Joe Says:

    Aren’t there other things to post? You have insight right?

    Yeah, sure. Joe should ignore one of the better quarterbacks in Bucs history discussing the greatest quarterback in Bucs history (and NFL history). Yeah, Joe should ignore that.

    You do know Joe runs a business, right?

  86. BigMacAttack Says:

    Whatever the case, along with a ton of stupid comments, and bitter NEfans living in a $#!+hole, Tom Brady hasn’t been Tom Brady this season. Everyone can see it. Tom is immobile as anyone can be. I mean he almost needs a walker. Trask is big, tough and can scramble to get first downs. It adds a dimension that the Bucs don’t have. I’d like to see what he can do with this team. Brady isn’t doing dit with this offense. And yes Leftwich is an idiot and Todd Bowles has proved the Peter Principle yet again.

  87. tbbucs3 Says:

    Unfortunately, many Patriot fans who are disguised as temporary Buc fans run rampant on this site.

    The fanboys will gone the second Brady retires.

  88. orlbucfan Says:

    Yeah, Joes, we know the $$clicks$$. But over the Brady BS. Watch him lose the game in NOLA unless the entire team plus coaches carry his wrinkled arse on their shoulders.

  89. geno711 Says:

    My take. Brady looking worse based upon bad offensive coordinator with no Bruce Arians involvement and very inconsistent offensive line.

  90. stpetebucfan Says:

    ME13 drops a sure TD…perfect pass btw…D White commits an unforgivable, inexcusable roughing the passer and gives a defeated team new life and a win.

    There are few bright spots…most of them kicking related. But the common denominator for everybody is playing afraid…playing not to lose..and perhaps that is what Brady’s age has taken from him. The crazy confidence that lets him even believe he can bring the Pats back against the Falcons in a game that was over!

    The swagger is totally gone from the Bucs. IMHO that loss of swagger may be the biggest loss of all in BA’s retirement!

    Pull the freaking plug and risk the hell out of it. What has been tried is not working. Going deep has worked before and it can work again but Bowles has to be restrained and BA given total control of the offense.

  91. Bucsfanman Says:

    There’s no doubt about the deterioration but I would still take him over 2/3 of the starters in this league right now.
    He’s still got an arm, as shown by the frequent overthrows Sunday. I have to agree with the poster above who mentioned how much better the team was last year on the OL, running, and coaching. If he gets time, even as “wrinkly” as he may be, he’s a darn good QB.
    This offense, as a whole, has not been very good (understatement!). He’s part of the reason.

  92. geno711 Says:

    My list top to bottom of QB’s in Bucs history with minimum of 5 starts for the Bucs. (This is a Buccaneer starts only list not an NFL history list).

    Tom Brady
    Vinny Testaverde
    Jameis Winston
    Doug Williams
    Brad Johnson
    Trent Dilfer
    Jeff Garcia
    Shaun King
    Josh Freeman
    Ryan Fitzpatrick
    Steve DeBerg
    Brian Griese
    Steve Young
    Chris Simms
    Chris Chandler
    Mike Glennon
    Bruce Gradkowski
    Josh McGown
    Josh Johnson
    Craig Erickson
    Steve Spurrier
    Jack Thompson
    Gary Huff
    Mike Rae

  93. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    4 of our 6 losses have been by less than a touchdown….

    It doesn’t take much to cause that……an untimely penalty, a dropped pass, an errant pass….some bad play calls…..a porous defense…..ST failures….

    I didn’t mention turnovers because I don’t believe they have cost us a game.

    Constantly losing close games is usually a coaching failure….

  94. Redeemer Says:

    Defense, I have noticed Brady having trouble resetting. Of course his footwork isn’t as good as it once was. But it’s still good enough IMO. IDK if it’s a function of not trusting his line, or if he doesn’t trust what he’s seeing. Probably both. I’ve re-watched several games on the all 22. (50 bucks a year with NFL game pass, highly recommend for guys like you and me)

    I’ve said this many times defense, Brady can’t carry a team by himself anymore. Those days are long gone. He needs a competent running game, which would allow for more play action. They’re putting too much on him. Under the circumstances, I’d say he’s preformed admirably.

    Maybe moron is a little strong for Bowles. I just don’t think he’s head coach material. Someone is approving these inane game plans. To me it all looks like square peg round hole.

  95. Hunter's Crack Pipe Says:

    D-Rok Says:
    “If he has deteriorated as King implies, it’s very subtle from my standpoint.”

    I would say that it is subtle enough to not be quantifiable without decent play calling to give him a fair chance at evaluation.

  96. Sal Says:

    Shaun King was an awful quarterback #!!

  97. Hunter's Crack Pipe Says:

    tbbucs3 Says:
    “Watch how Mahomes and Josh Allen play, Brady is getting much easier to defend as a statue in the pocket as he ages.”

    Brady has always been a statue in the pocket. You act as though this is a recent event.

  98. The Beer Whisperer Says:

    If Uncle Bruce was still HC, we would be having a different discussion.

  99. Hunter's Crack Pipe Says:

    Bucswin Says:
    “But mentally he isn’t make the right decisions that he is even happy with. It’s either age or antidepressants.”

    Or, disillusionment with the coaching staff. the HC and OC seem to have lost the team, and Brady is a part of that team.

  100. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    The Beer Whisperer Says:
    November 30th, 2022 at 4:01 pm
    If Uncle Bruce was still HC, we would be having a different discussion.

    There should he no question about that…..

    I think the defense is actually a bit better….but has gotten worn out by the impotent offense…..3 & outs….field position…..time of possession by opponents…..stressful tight games….

    Even with the loss of Gronk & the changes on the line….we still have Brady, Evans, Godwin & Lenny/White…..there’s little excuse for the lack of production except coaching.

  101. NEfan Says:

    I understand the haters will always be haters but those on the bubble please tell me one team and or QB that has EVER had success with absolutely NO running game? I can’t think of one. You morons harping on the mobile problem have no idea what you are talking about, Brady reached 1000 yds rushing yards for his entire career in 2020. My last question, how many yards did Brady get on his QB sneak Sunday? Answer at least two. Tell me again why you punt on 4th & 2 from the 37 yd line?

  102. NEfan Says:

    It AIN’T Brady, Shaun NO RING!

  103. SufferingSince76 Says:

    It continues to amaze me how some of you people keep crapping on Brady and counting him out. Your ability to continually be proven wrong is breathtaking.

  104. Hopalong Bucco Says:

    There appears to be no leadership on this team. Body language of players kind of confirms this statement. Game plans??? A friggin joke, and the play calling is horrendous. O line destroyed by injuries and has greatly impacted the offense. Defense too inconsistent. Then there is Byron and Todd!!! Enogh said!!

  105. Hopalong Bucco Says:

    Oh, I forgot, Shaun King is full of s–t.

  106. Defense Rules Says:

    Redeemer … I don’t think that Bowles is head coach material either, but it’s virtually impossible to know for sure while he’s dual-hatted. Best guess is that he spends most of his time on his DC responsibilities because that’s where he feels most comfortable I’m sure (that’d be natural IMO). But without a very strong OC to lean on, he probably won’t survive 2 years.

  107. Defense Rules Says:

    TBBF … ‘Even with the loss of Gronk & the changes on the line …. we still have Brady, Evans, Godwin & Lenny/White ….. there’s little excuse for the lack of production except coaching.’

    Bucs had 61 TDs last year (3.6 per game). Of those, Evans had 14, Fournette had 10 and Gronk had 6 for a total of 30 (almost half). So far this year (through almost 2/3 of our games), we have 18 TDs (1.6 per game). Of those, Evans has 3 TDs, Fournette has 6 TDs and Gronk’s replacements (Otton, Kieft, Brate & Rudolph) TOGETHER have only 2 TDs.

    IOW Evans is WAY BEHIND his 2021 production, Fournette is actually pretty much on-track for the same production, and our TE production has albeit vanished.

    Is it them or is it the OLine or is it BL (the same OC we’ve had for 4 years now whose bag of tricks remains pretty much unchanged it looks like to me)?

  108. Oneilbuc Says:

    Brady is the second least sacked quarterback in the NFL this season so you can’t blame the offensive line. This is the same play book from 2 years ago without AB and Gronk to hide his decline. The defense is ranked 7 and they have been holding teams under 20 points all year except for the Cheifs game. Every thing I said is a fact the only thing I will say is they need to run the ball a little more but Brady is the problem with the offense and he will never be held accountable on this site with theses Brady fan boys and that includes Joe bucfan lol 🤣🤣🤣.

  109. D-Rok Says:

    Run the ball MORE? Sounds like insanity to me.

  110. ATLBuc Says:

    Its the responsibility of the OC to call plays the QB can make, aging and deteriorating or not. Its not Brady’s fault he is getting old. The OC has to adjust and create a gameplan that accentuates the things Brady can do well.

  111. JimmyfromNY Says:

    This article is Brady porn for the trolls and the morons , the guy who thinks Kyle Trask is going to win seven games is the most laughable moronic takes I’ve ever seen. He will never start a game in the NFL and if he does, it will only be because of injury. Brady a statue in the pocket? Another clueless take his foot work in my pocket is the best of all time not even comparable. You’ll have a running quarterback here next year and he’ll have any injury, you guys will win five or six games for the next 10 years. The Brady trolls are the greatest. They all have gray hair and big bellies and high blood pressure. They’re crying tears are so delicious!!

  112. Hunter's Crack Pipe Says:

    geno711 Says:
    “My list top to bottom of QB’s in Bucs history with minimum of 5 starts for the Bucs.”

    I miss the Steve Spurrier days. Win or lose, everyone was happy to just have live football games in Tampa, and had fun regardless. Especially us young kids. 🙂

  113. Reggie Jax Says:

    Coaches play to not lose. Afraid to takes chances on offense. While Bowles was trying to kill he clock against The Browns, they were throwing everything they had at The Bucs!

  114. Reggie Jax Says:

    Anyone who thinks Brady is the problem is sadly mistaken. You can’t hide in The NFL, and that’s what Bowles is doing. Punting the ball on Cleveland’s 37 yard line. He’s afraid to really open things up, so their offense is predictable and easy to defend.

  115. alton d green Says:

    Joe would you please remove that miserable ass looking pic of Tom. He looks like all our fans feel after watching Todd try his best to sink the ship

  116. NEfan Says:

    The GOAT speaks, oneilsuckyall. You constantly ignor the facts, please if you can comprehend that long answer the questions below:

    1. Why didn’t Bowles use his timeouts to win the game in the final seconds of Sundays game?

    2. Who leads the NFC in passing yards?

    3. Who has the highest completions of tightest throws?

    4. Who leads the NFL in fewest ints? (Don’t give me the drops on D, that happens to every QB)?

    5. What receiving core leads the NFL in dropped balls?

    6. What team has the lowest rushing average since 1960?

    7. Who is the greatest.QB ever? Nevermind, I know your answer Warren Moon.

    7. When you find out the answers above, then ask the question, why is Bowles a head coach in the NFL?

  117. Kentucky Buc Says:

    There’s much deeper problems here than Brady. Bowles ball. Bowles fantasy game is to win 2-0 on a safety. 2nd on his fantasy list is to lose 2-0 on a safety

  118. unbelievable Says:

    LOL @ orlbucsfan pretending he hasn’t been a total Brady hater then entire time he’s been here. And Oneil and Mike Johnson are STILL made about Jameis…

    Brady’s play has definitely taken a step down this year, but it’s been a small one. His o-line OTOH, and has taken a huge step back. Which is why you seem him rushing throws and looking uncomfortable in the pocket.

    By my count, he had 3 bad throws in the Browns game (one of which may or may not have been the WR quitting on the route). That’s still better than most QBs, and certainly better than any other QB we have on the roster.

    The biggest problems with this team are, in order of importance:

    1. Playcalling (Leftwich)
    2. O-line
    3. Clock management failures (Bowles)
    4. Lack of aggression and killer instinct (Bowles)
    5. Injuries
    6. Brady

  119. unbelievable Says:

    *mad about Jameis

  120. unbelievable Says:

    Whoops, I messed up my list. it should go:

    1. Playcalling (Leftwich)
    2. O-line
    3. Clock management failures (Bowles)
    4. Special Teams (Armstrong)
    5. Lack of aggression and killer instinct (Bowles)
    6. Injuries
    7. Brady

  121. Buczilla Says:

    I respect King’s opinions, but I don’t agree with this one. Brady went through a serious life altering event this year and he’s being coached by folks that have no business doing the jobs their failing horribly at. I’ve been through some truly disappointing seasons and this one looks like it’s going to end up in the top 3.

  122. Defense Rules Says:

    Reggie Jax … ‘Punting the ball on Cleveland’s 37 yard line.’

    I might’ve missed something, but Bowles didn’t have Camarda punt from the 37 yard line. It was 4th-and-2 and they were going for it, then Brady got a 5-yard delay-of-game penalty, making it 4th-and-7 from Cleveland’s 42 yard line. I believe that’s where the Bucs punted from. But that’s just according to the official stats, so they could be wrong.

    The BIG PLAY on that series (besides the 5-yard delay-of-game penalty on 4th down) was Donovan Smith’s 5-yard false start penalty on 3rd-and-6 (made it 3rd-and-11). Bucs picked up 9 yards on that 3rd down which would’ve made it 1st down if not for Smith’s penalty.

  123. kyle Says:

    im sure king did the interview at the buffet table at a las vegas casino.

  124. bucsbrady Says:

    King was begging Brady to come back this year. Do you not understand the man has had a year from hell. Gisele divorces him. Brady personal life has been analyzed inside and out. Brady could be making 37 million not playing and working on fox. Last week everyone wanted Brady back. This whole season was a disaster and it started with Gisele divorcing Brady right before the season starts

  125. Hunter's Crack Pipe Says:

    Defense Rules Says:
    “Redeemer … I don’t think that Bowles is head coach material either, but it’s virtually impossible to know for sure while he’s dual-hatted.”

    As far as the time management decisions and challenges, I have to believe that he has somebody in his ear during the game to keep him apprised of his options. He was either blowing them off, or he has chosen to not use that resource. Either way, it s malpractice, dual-hatted or not.

  126. NEfan Says:

    C’mon Joe, that took forever to type out on a cellphone.

  127. NEfan Says:

    Joe, I didn’t make that up, oneilbuc wrote in a previous thread that was his favorite QB.

  128. Redeemer Says:

    Oneilbuc, nice try. Brady doesn’t get sacked much, because he’s smart. He gets rid of the damn ball. Again, only 5 QBs have less time to throw, per next gen stats. The bucs line has the 29th and 30th ranked pass/run block win rate. Just because he isn’t sacked much, doesn’t mean the line is good. In fact, they’re bad, By any advanced metric. We all know you hate Brady. That’s fine. This isn’t the same offense minus Gronk and AB, not even close. That’s obvious to even the most casual fan. The TE position has disappeared from the offense, and Gage is a bust. Brady is the least of this teams problems.

  129. Oneilbuc Says:

    And y’all still bringing up Jameis lol 🤣🤣🤣 everything I said was the truth. And as far as Jamies goes that’s y’all come back on me lol 🤣🤣🤣 I know the truth hurts. Once Brady retire the rest of you fake Patriots fans and fake bucs fans will be gone. And maybe just maybe the real bucs fan base can come together and root for the team as a whole and not one guy who has been made bigger than the team.

  130. Bring back the lawn chairs Says:

    Jack wagons here are blaming the GOAT?
    Rotflmfao. I’m done here.
    Bunch of clowns.

  131. The Beer Whisperer Says:

    3 things never to discuss: Politics, Religion, Tom Brady

  132. NEfan Says:

    Oneilsuckyall, so you’re a true Buc fan yet you trash the superstar QB since day 1? I red Redeemers post again, not sure where Winsten’s name is written. FYI, Gronk is a first ballet HOFer and AB would be as well if he wasn’t a dip shat. I agree their pretty darn good. Good thing BRADY got them to play for the Bucs.

    Hey, has anyone heard from BA? Haven’t heard from him since the last two wins.

  133. Oneilbuc Says:

    Redeemer. You are must be one of those fake Patriots fans because you still trying to make excuses for Brady throwing balls in the dirt. Brady is 45 years old and I understand why he’s playing bad . Even Brady himself said his arm strength is not that strong anymore. And I knew y’all were going to make BL and Bowles the scapegoats as soon as the bucs lose AB and Gronk. They have given Brady every player he wanted and remember y’all were calling him the GM what Brady wants Brady gets remember?? And now he has to fall on the sword for the players he picked. When we win it’s all Brady when we lose it’s the coaches and the team and not Brady. You can’t have it both ways!!!

  134. NEfan Says:

    You’re 100% correct oneilsuckyall and OJ WAS innocent.

  135. Oneilbuc Says:

    NE . I can agree with you on Gronk and AB because he talked BA into singing him but AB would have played for any team at that time but no other team wanted that trash on their team. I give Brady credit for helping us win a championship because he was the starting quarterback I just don’t give him all the credit like most of yall do.

  136. NEfan Says:

    Oneilsuckyall, promise you’ll still be on this site once Brady is gone, I want to read your comments when the Bucs are 3-14.

  137. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    The Fade/Out combo is a DT as ple of the Everhart/Perkins offense that TB12 ran in New England.

    Edelman ran the out and Gronk ran the fade up the seam in a stacked formation from the hash out of Ace/double twins/spread.

    In New England TB12 killed everyone by hitting Edelman short in the flats, and then when the defense would put more numbers to stop Edleman TB12 would hit the home run ball to Gronk down the seam.

    Tampa ran this route combo and formation numerous times against Cleveland with Godwin running the out to the flats and ME13 running the fade up the seam on the hash.

    TB12 hit Godwin numerous times, but never threw the home run ball once to ME13.

    This is a quick pass concept that has a 3 step QB drop and the ball is thrown. The fade up the seam of the hash is thrown at 10-yards depth just behind the LB’s sitting at 7 to 8. The receiver has a foot race to the sideline to beat the FS as the LB and CB jumped the out in the flats.

    Something is wrong with TB12.

    Tape don’t lie.

  138. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    The Fade/Out combo is a staple of the Everhart/Perkins offense that TB12 ran in New England.

    Edelman ran the out and Gronk ran the fade up the seam in a stacked formation from the hash out of Ace/double twins/spread.

    In New England TB12 killed everyone by hitting Edelman short in the flats, and then when the defense would put more numbers to stop Edleman TB12 would hit the home run ball to Gronk down the seam.

    Tampa ran this route combo and formation numerous times against Cleveland with Godwin running the out to the flats and ME13 running the fade up the seam on the hash.

    TB12 hit Godwin numerous times, but never threw the home run ball once to ME13.

    This is a quick pass concept that has a 3 step QB drop and the ball is thrown. The fade up the seam of the hash is thrown at 10-yards depth just behind the LB’s sitting at 7 to 8. The receiver has a foot race to the sideline to beat the FS as the LB and CB jumped the out in the flats.

    Something is wrong with TB12.

    Tape don’t lie.

  139. NEfan Says:

    Belleclown so you’re saying Evan’s was open every time they ran that?

  140. Redeemer Says:

    Oneilbuc, and the rest of you Brady haters are as transparent as glass. Facts don’t matter, and reality is an ever moving target. I actually admirer you folks. Living in a fantasy land must be liberating.

  141. NEfan Says:

    Belleclown, I haven’t rewatched this game becuase it sickens me but I do tecall Brady’s first sack, it appeared he had like 10 seconds to throw the ball, as this was happening the cameraman panned from Brady’s view, not ONE receiver was open. The tape doesn’t lie.

  142. Kentucky Buc Says:

    New England ran the Erhardt-Perkins offense. Never heard of everhart

  143. JimmyfromNY Says:

    The Patriots ran several versions of an ofence, not always Eir/Perkins, Billy Obrien McDaniels , Charlie Ardis emphasize different parts to their particular offenses . Either heavy with running backs, Double TE, or 4 wide receiver sets. Whether it was short passes the intermediate routes, or a few years of heavy downfield passing It didn’t matter Brady made it work no matter who it was , what the personal or Coach didn’t matter . And he hardly had a great office of lines every year in New England.
    , superb foot work, and quick release is something the defense struggle 2 to defend , Bradys the best of both.

  144. Drock Says:

    Cappa, Marpet, Jensen, Stinnie

  145. T REX Says:

    @ alton d green – get a freaking life loser…Joe, permaban this moron

    SMDH…goobers stop goobering

  146. NEfan Says:

    Kentucky, Angie Everhart, look her up, Belleclown had something else on his mind.

  147. Kentucky Buc Says:

    Lol. I remember Angie Everhart. Showing our age on that one.

  148. LastDance Says:

    Man… I love some of y’all. NE fan Jimmy from New York, Redeemer and definitely a few others Ive overlooked on this one. But Thank you for an intelligent conversation concerning the play of the GREATEST QB to ever play the game. No need to repeat, but the truth is NO ONE can carry a team on their own. Mahomes carries a team… HAHAHA ANDY REID carries that team… Even Shaun King could hit receivers as wide open as Reid schemes them. Brady led TEAMS to Super Bowls and won a great number because on will, determination and clutch play. Those TEAMS were not generally super talented, only the 2007 was. The players were intelligent and coachable… and here’s the KEY… They were coached by a man who would do anything to win. Not a man who was afraid to do anything that would win. Brady is 90+% the same guy who threw for 500+ yards in the 20017 Super Bowl. The Bucs are a top 5 when running no huddle, but when the head coach wants a passing team to run up the guards a$$ all day long you won’t see results. Mike Evans is a good go get it receiver but he doesn’t have super high football intelligence. He is several levels below AB and a mile below Edelman Gronk and Amendola. Godwin may get there… he has the potential. The bad block win rate, the worst rushing attack in the history of the NFL (post merger) would do in LITERALLY ANY QB YOU HAVE EVER KNOWN OR LOVED.

    But above all… the coaches are actively undermining the will, emotions, and particular skills of these players and it shows. They will lose to the 49ers by at least 21 points because Bowels and Leftwurst will still be trying to ground and pound when they are down by 14 all game. Biggest d!psh!t coaches I can ever remember following in the NFL.

    I an 100% certain that if TB12 plays next year (elsewhere obviously), everyone will be shocked and amazed that he is back from the dead. Just like after 2019. Then he didn’t have any weapons besides and injured Edelman. He can still compete with any other QB in the league with a competent coaching staff who values winning more than they fear losing

    Also… Jimmy from NY… You are right… the Haters tears are delicious! Its like every word they type makes me smile more. I Always try to take the other side from where idiots stand. They sure make it easy.

  149. BigMacAttack Says:

    If you want to find out what’s wrong with Brady, sit his butt on the bench for a game. He’ll either get fixed immediately or the truth will come out. The losses and overall stats show that this season he has gone from greatest to mediocre and that’s being generous. At times during games he’s flat out sucked. This team and it’s fan base is bigger and more important than Tom Brady. If he can’t get the job done, he needs to take a seat and give support to another QB to see if they can get it done. Maybe his eyesight is going. Who knows but he’s missing receivers by miles repeatedly. And Leftwich still sucks.

  150. NEfan Says:

    LastDance, where you been all my life? Lol.

  151. NEfan Says:

    There you go LastDance, you missed BigMackpuddywak the hater. Another Pokémon player.

  152. steele Says:

    Shaun King is full of it. All he’s doing is riding the bandwagon of rumor/headline pumping national sports mediot noise. Dump on Brady after losses, acclaim him after wins, rinse and repeat.

    I don’t care who the QB is, no one thrives with a coaching regime like this, with a team mired in this kind of insidious and pervasive malaise. Brady is not an island, he’s not the HC or the OC.

    This is the same “Brady is shot” noise as his last season with NE, when he also faced coaching, ownership and team issues that undermined individual and team performance.

    As for physical deterioration, sure. He’s 45, he’s probably partially injured as usual, but still making championship caliber throws. It was just a few weeks ago that the noise was about how he was NOT washed, and how good he still plays.

    2022 Tom Brady can easily take a GOOD team to a Super Bowl. If this team is well coached. If the playbook is creative. If he has a system geared specifically to him. If his teammates are all-in. But Bucs are not a good team, they are not well coached, and the teammates are ambivalent at best.

  153. Redeemer Says:

    Jimmy is correct. The Patriots did a bunch of different stuff. It was all predicted on sight adjustment though. Brady, Gronk and Edelman built on it further with tags on the end of plays, dictated by leverage. They tortured defenses, because as long as they executed, it was impossible to defend. They loved the hook route in particular. They’d often run mirror routes, that made it all look the same at the beginning of the play. The Patriots ran 4 basic passing concepts, with formation variation, and sub packages. I could go on for hours.

  154. D-Rok Says:

    49ers, LastDance? I doubt they will beat the Saints, the way this team has played lately.

  155. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    @NEfan aka @list

    How many times will you change your name? Weak. I respect onelilbuc more than you. Guys like you who have to charge their anonymous names on a comment site are weak.

    I am just talking ball about the fade out.

    Yes, ME13 was open numerous times on the fade out from the stacked Ace formation in 10 personnel. TB12 didn’t throw it, choosing to throw the flat to Godwin despite the defense’s numbers on the coverage.

    If you tell everyone that you didn’t watch the tape, then you are telling everyone that you are ignorant. I can’t talk ball with an admitted ignorant person. I guess people from up north obviously do.

    People from my neck of the woods know ball.

    Just for reference, 6 kids from my hometown in Pahokee/Belle Glade played for the Ravens and 49ers in the Super Bowl. Saban, Kirby, Kiffin and Lincoln have all visited my hometown to recruit our kids. I don’t hear much about them going up to New England to recruit kids who are taught to play ball there that much.

    You are the clown 🤡 who needs to call people names about an easily proven fact from the tape while telling everyone that they didn’t watch the tape. Crazy.

  156. Scorps1 Says:

    If ownership didn’t call Bowles in after the Cleveland game and rip him a new A$$hole then they are being neglectful.

    I know Joe blames Leftwhich a lot but I think he is a passenger on Brady’s offense. Arian’s offense is long gone. Quite honestly if he is not going to be the head coach he should be a paid consultant from his lake house. Having him in the building to run interference for his guys who are struggling is not helpful.

    The problem is losing three starters on the O line from last year. Brady doesn’t trust the new line and is dumping the ball off short constantly. He does not wait for things to develop down the field because he may not have the time. Here is where we would benefit from a more modern, mobile quarterback.

    He has missed throws and receivers have dropped balls. Evans, Godwin, Jones, Fournette, Brady are not getting younger and are on the back sides of their careers. The problem is much of the team is on the back sides of their careers.

    Joe loves to predict Brady’s return next year. I don’t see it happening chief. This team will not be better next year than it is this year. Jensen will be back but everyone else will be a year older. Coaching isn’t going to improve. This has to be leaving an ugly taste in Brady’s mouth. If they get into the playoffs do you really see them getting anywhere they way they are playing?

    Next year we will not have Brady but will still have a coach that sucks, no quarterback (I am not forgetting Trask), and be in salary cap hell with an old team that just got a year older.

    It will be time to blow it up. Fire the coach and trade the older players like Evans that have value but will age out in 3 years for draft picks to restock the roster with inexpensive youth. If we do it right and find a quarterback we should be back in the playoffs in 3 years.

  157. AmauryGuzman Says:

    BA keeps taking shots at brady. Give me a break BA! This coaching staff blows !!!! Even a coaching staff can destroy a team. Also i think Evans has to start stepping up more. He’s having a so and so season. I don’t think he’s having one of his normal years.

  158. JeffreyLane77 Says:

    I feel Brady is still playing at a high enough level to compete in the NFL. I do think there have been games where he was “off”. Whether Brady was the issue or the Oline was is what we were all discussing early on in the season. Its become clearer as the season has progressed. The offensive game planning has been atrocious this season. Can’t seem to scheme anybody open. It seems the offensive coordinators overall strategy is telling the players beat your man. Instead of exploiting a defenses weakness. We call plays the defense is prepared for and expect our players to overcome an insurmountable situation. That’s why we always seem to be playing at a disadvantage. The coaches are calling run up the middle on first down even though the opposing defense is looking for it. These coaches are putting our players in nearly impossible situations. That’s why we can’t sustain drives.

  159. billyboy99 Says:

    GUY WE CANT CONVERT on 3and 1 or 4th and 1 WE ALWAYS LOSE.. This team is not that good thats not bradys fault its the online cant get 1 yard!

  160. Redeemer Says:

    Belle, you know it’s not that simple. I’ve watched the tape. You’re neglecting the fact that sometimes, Evans isn’t finishing his routes, something I’ve noticed numerous times. You’re also forgetting all the miscommunication. I trust Brady to know what he’s seeing, much more than Evans. 9 years, vs. 23. Yes, Brady has missed him a few times, but it’s not like he’s running free all game. I never thought Brady truly trusted Evans. At least not like he trusts Godwin. Like anything, it’s multi factorial. But it’s certainly not all Brady’s fault. If you want to call it 50 50, I can accept that. IMO it’s more like 70- 30, 60 -40 on Evans. Then you throw in a poor play caller, and there you go.

  161. McBucky Says:

    The problem with the Bucs is the coaching. Period. End of story.

  162. JimmyfromNY Says:

    It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to understand that Brady misses passes every gsme!! Do u think he’s gotta be perfect every game he’s not, Joe, Montana, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers. They miss throws every single game. Brady just misses less than them. You can count on one hand, the actual bad throws he’s made in each game. Some balls he leads guys away from contacts and bthrows away some. He deliberately throws at their feet or high to avoid a turnover or injury . The trolls just don’t get it. You guys are witnessing something you’ll never see you again the greatest of the greats. And yes, half the Brady trolls are not Bucs fans they’re just tormented Brady victims 20 years of abuse!! . He’s performing miracles this year with a historically bad running game, incompetent, coaching, wide receivers that can’t get open who are the drop balls or simply quit , etc. When he leaves the Bucs will be back to anonymity decades if no one caring

  163. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    Agreed with you that ME13 is not finishing routes.

    I also think that it is short sighted to say that he’s doing that on every play.

    ME13 made two amazing catches that didn’t count because the defender pushed him out of bounds before he could get two feet down.

    On 3rd and 8 with 3:40 to go in the 3rd quarter from the 13 yard line, ME13’s man left him wide open on the fade up the seam and jumped Godwin on the out. Unfortunately TB12 didn’t throw the fade to ME13. TB12 threw the out to Godwin who only gained 2 yards as ME13’s defender tackled him easily.

    The No Risk It No Biscuit offense that TB12 ran for the past two years no longer exists.

  164. LastDance Says:

    NEfan… yep… the salty tears of haters really make my margaritas pop!!

    BelleGlade… ridiculous shot at NEfan. But that’s between you guys. Also, just because someone lives in Silicon Valley doesn’t make them a world-beater computer programmer. Living near pro players doesn’t make you a pro scout coach etc.

    However, you assessment has a touch of truth. But as Redeemer said, you are cherry picking. If you have in fact watched Brady for a long time, you know that his TRUST is the most important aspect for success. Both in receivers and in OLine. He does get happy feet and throws fast without trust. He doesn’t trust the Line. and he doesn’t really trust ME13. They have never really been on the same page… not like with Gronk and JE11. He missed/didnt throw to Gronk in the end zone for the 2 pt conversion in the 2015 championship game. Did that mean he was declining then? He’s in a hurry to get rid of it most of the time for the stated reasons and because he isn’t sure ME will actually be where he is supposed to be (except deep sideline balls which have relatively little risk). Again… none of this matters if the coaching is in place. The OL issues can be resolved with creative play calling. But the coaches are afraid so the team is afraid… Sounds like you literally want TB12 to pick everyone up and carry them . He’s just a dude. 90% Brady is still as good as Mahomes and better than everyone else. Period. I don’t debate absolutes.

  165. LastDance Says:

    Jimmy… dead on. The imbeciles actually think he made every throw in NE when they won 6 Super Bowls. He missed throws. He’s human you dumba$$es! everyone misses throws. A missed throw isn’t what you or I see. Its when the receiver runs the route they are supposed to hard and with intention AND they adjust based on what the defense is doing and Brady throws it poorly. Anything else is simply the receiver and QB not being on the same page and TB putting the ball where it cant be picked off. Im gonna side with the guy with the most wins in history on who knows where the F the ball should be.

    In any case… Id rather watch TB on a good team being the problem. Then I could feel like damm dude the time has come. However he can still sling it and the coaches are letting him and the rest of the team down. Thats just depressing.

  166. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    Reasons the Bucs are bad:

    Horrible head coaching.
    Horrible/unimaginative offensive play calling.
    Offensive line is horrible and Licht didn’t fix it.
    TB12 makes safe throws and doesn’t risk it anymore.
    TB12 is unwilling to hang in the pocket and take a hit anymore in order to make a play.
    Licht’s draft picks like Hall and JTS have not worked out.
    No explosive/dynamic receiver.
    Gronk is gone and Licht failed to replace him with a good TE for TB12.
    Our front 4 is horrible.
    Vea is great, but only half of the time.
    No leadership.
    JPP, Suh and Gronk’s leadership have not been replaced which is another Licht failure.
    TB12 was greatly distracted for much of the preseason and season with marital issues, causing him not to be all in. Anyone who tells you that TB12 was not affected by the loss of his marriage and everyday family structure is not dealing in reality. Divorce is mentally draining on your emotional well being.

    If I missed any, let me know.

  167. Redeemer Says:

    Belle, to your last post % agree. Hey look, common ground instead of name-calling. It can happen Joe. This is Bowles offense, make no mistake. Unless this operation is completely FUBAR, the HC approves all gameplans. Where is BA when you need him. Bowles wants to win like Dallas, and Seattle. I’d be amiable to that. Problem is, they don’t have the personnel. They don’t dictate anything. It’s a hodge podge of whatever’s working at the time. You can’t play offensive football like that, not in this day and age. I’m a bucs fan since before the Scully days, and longer. Back to John Steven Young. Doesn’t mean I don’t deeply appreciate what Brady was able to accomplish in NE. I’m a freaking football fan. God bless.

  168. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    @Last Dance

    I am a kid from Belle Glade who played all the way from Pop Warner to playing in college on a full ride scholarship. I now coach it to pass on the gift of ball to the next generation that the game gave me. Paying it forward.

    TB12 needs an amazing line at his age.

    Patrick Mahomes would play much better for the Bucs behind this atrocious line than what TB12 is currently playing.

    Mahomes is mobile. TB12 is not.

    The Chiefs offensive line was decimated with injuries in the Super Bowl and Mahomes played a game that showed how great he is, how much heart he has and how talented he is. Mahomes ran for his life and hit his WR’s on once in a lifetime throws only to have them dropped instead of caught for TD’s thankfully for my Bucs.

    TB12 would have played much worse than what Mahomes did if he was the QB behind that Chiefs OLINE in that Super Bowl.

    With Marpet’s retirement and then Jensen’s injury I pleaded on this site for Licht to go and get replacements. I said TB12 can’t win without a great line. He’s to old I said to play with a bad line. He’ll play scarred I said to play
    with a bad line. I said that they won’t be able to run with a bad line, and an old/immobile QB whose Offense can’t run is a recipe for disaster. I said Julio would be a waste because he would miss many games. OLine is what the Bucs and TB12 needed. Unfortunately Licht did not address it.

    The Bucs horrible OLINE is a big reason for TB12’s decline this year.

  169. LastDance Says:

    You’ve got a lot right. Ironically, Bradys divorce has probably caused more bad throws than age. I think he’s been right since the papers were signed… but the coaches are the same

    A couple things…
    TB12 makes safe throws and doesn’t risk it anymore.
    TB12 is unwilling to hang in the pocket and take a hit anymore in order to make a play.

    TB12 has generally always made safe throws (except for Moss and Gronk). You must be thinking of Arians not his NE career

    TB12 has NEVER been willing to take a hit. He is probably less willing now, but it is negligible in reality. Is anyone actually expecting a 45 year old man to be willing to take MORE punishment? Shouldn’t the Phuukng OC scheme for this?

    Otherwise pretty good.

  170. LastDance Says:

    Come on Joe… There are no swear words in my updated post. Why the censure

  171. LastDance Says:

    Hey Belle… I have a wonderful response typed up… no swear words or anything… Joe isn’t letting it through

  172. LastDance Says:

    Anyway… Belle.

    I think the conversation about mobile QBs is moot. TB12 isn’t mobile and that’s that. Its never been a problem in getting to 10 Super Bowls and winning 7. His strength is in timing and precision… which this team does not currently have either of. I agree that the Line is a significant part of that. I genuinely believe that it is mostly on the coaches. Its OK that they have a terrible rushing attack… if they were a pass focused team that only runs occasionally (as proven by their ranking when running no huddle). But they beat a dead horse with predictable, poorly designed play calling. Some well placed and unexpected runs with some more Andy Reid-like play calling and the run game doesn’t bog the team down. Creative coaches can mask OL issues, especially against lesser opponents. The Bucs have only lost to 1 team that should be equal or better, the Chiefs. Otherwise there is no reason for more than a couple of losses… because football. So yes I agree. But also, TB12 being 45 has not that much to do with it. He was never going to take a hit in the last 10 years.
    Ironically, I think Bradys divorce and a bad Olinde has caused way more bad throws than age. I think he’s been right since the papers were signed… but the coaches are the same

    A couple things…
    TB12 makes safe throws and doesn’t risk it anymore.
    TB12 is unwilling to hang in the pocket and take a hit anymore in order to make a play.

    TB12 has generally always made safe throws (except for Moss and Gronk). You must be thinking of Arians not his NE career

    TB12 has NEVER been willing to take a hit. He is probably less willing now, but it is negligible in reality. Is anyone actually expecting a 45 year old man to be willing to take MORE punishment? Shouldn’t the OC scheme for this?

    Otherwise pretty good.

  173. LastDance Says:

    Ill leave this one last bit for the crows:

    Theodore Roosevelt

    “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”

    It is best to always remember this and in our own lives be the man in the arena instead of the critic or the man who points out how TB12 stumbles. Lets recognize greatness and appreciate it while we still can. This season may end badly… but dhamm what a ride!!!

    And just to be complicated… I think the coaches may be cold and timid souls

  174. SPARKY Says:

    Lastdance, you put a whole new perspective on all this. We have seen the greatest winner in all of football, the best ever, and yet at an age no one has ever came close to doing what he is doing, we fault him for errand passes that despite his age, were thrown to hard and to far. What this man is doing at twice the age as the men he is compared to, is beyond comparison. But yet there is no one on that team who is working harder or longer to straighten this mess out. You people who blame Brady for this mess no little about football, and need to sit down with a real football person who can show you on film what is happening out there. You people who think our o-line is good because of the small sack numbers, are idiots. You people who think Brady is missing more open receivers than any other QBs are idiots. Take a look at those 4 passes to Evans Sunday. With out being prejudice Brady haters. A lot of it is I think Evans is jurt, but one pass lands no more than 5 ft from Evans, and he never tried to get it. That’s not a healthy Evans. One Brady had to throw to a double teamed Evans, threw it just high enough over the low defender but within Evans reach. Went through Evans hands, tough catch but one Evans makes 9 out of 10 times when healthy. The other 2 passes were ahead of Mike by a yard
    You look at the film and tell me Evans was going full speed. I think he was trying to get the defensive back to run in to him for an interference call because he knew he couldn’t get there, because of injury. Both passes were right where a healthy Evans would have been. Any one who thinks Brady isn’t a top tier QB yet is an idiot.

  175. JimmyfromNY Says:

    Patrick Mahomes in this offense wouldn’t make it six weeks, he would be in the emergency room. He waits for plays looking to develop down the field, he doesn’t make tight window throws. He works in an O with the greatest play caller of all time. With a tight end, who is open on every single play. He’s never played one game, not one without, and the elite weapon or , offense of line or play caller His entire career high . And people who want to say that Belichick made Brady, that’s an absolute joke, B B is a defensive coach who was five and 13 well on his way to getting fired before Brady came on after an injury. Bella check hasn’t won a damn thing since Brady left.much like Tampa when the GOAT leaves

  176. NEfan Says:

    Belleclown, I had to change I was censored and banned by Joe’s interns. Nevertheless, there were and are NFL players all through NE that made the pros, big deal. I played and ran track against Joe & Jamie Morris, Doug Flutie, and others that made practice squads and my daughter went to high school with a first string TE still playing the game. Just because we drank out of the same bubbler doesn’t mean I am a NFL RB. I played LB for a well know zvery competitive D1 collegiate team, so I to know something about the game, I also coached for over 10yrs. So recognizing poor coaching and play is not that difficult. The reason Evan’s and Brady don’t connect is because Evan’s relies on his height and physicality, he is not a smart receiver, he turns one way Brady throws another, that’s on him and this has been a problem since day 1. Go back and watch the AB TAPE as you call it, he and Brady read the defender the same. As much of a moron AB is, the man is one if the smartest WR’s to play the game. Diggs, Hopkins, Kupp, Godwin, Cooper, Jefferson, Chase, Thielan etc. They get it, Evan’s almost gets it.

  177. Your Mom Says:

    To me Brady is getting rid of the ball in too much of a hurry, probably afraid he’s going to get hit. He’s missing some open guys because he is in operating every play in panic mode. And I don’t blame the protection, they are pass protecting okay.

  178. JimmyfromNY Says:

    You can’t be taken serious if you think the pass protection has been OK. You lose all credibility. They have been dreadful. And he gets rid of the ball fast because that’s the offense they are in. Of course he misses throws that’s part of the game but 99% of the team issues do not involve him. Try playing quarterback, when every single series it’s second and third and long and receivers can’t get open, and your number one receiver has basically quit and gives up after contact. Blaming Brady is a troll take u either hate him because his winning has been so Incessant that u Cant stomach it or u don’t know football . Take your pick

  179. Mike Johnson Says:

    brady is part of the TEAM. Therefore he shares blame also. He is not the football God he use to be. Deal with it. Watch the games. The field is wide open for him to scamper 10 to 20 yrds. he can’t run 5 yrds even if his life depended on it. The day of the drop back only passer is just about gone. You gotta be able to mix it up and Run like the wind when your team needs you to. So stop placing Brady on a pedestal. yes, he is a HOFer. No question. !st ballot. But the wear and tear shows considerably. Put him in the Buc blame pot as well. He get no pass.And Just-us for all.

  180. Rob Singer Says:

    What a bunch of BS. EVERY elite QB “misses some passes”. Have a y of you doubters and ind critics WATCHED him throw this year? Tell me how inaccurate he is. Tell me how indecisive he is. Let’s hear how weak his arm has become. And explain his TWO interceptions compared to Mahomes, Allen, Cousins, Hurts, Burrows, Herbert, etc.etc.

    Coaching is the weak link here. If Bowles and Leftwich we’re white they’d both be long gone by now. Bowles is a POS for his lying about a possible Brady interception in order to try and cover his ass.

  181. Fitz Says:

    I’m guessing Brady’s numbers would look pretty good if he played for the 49ers this year. Give him a solid o line and I like his chances. I’m sure bad coaching cost the Bucs at least 2 games this year. A good coach puts their team in a position to succeed every week and that just hasn’t happened this year.

  182. garro Says:

    Shaun King is now an expert QB annalist?
    Come on Joes … I can say some outrageous BS and call myself an expert In today’s so called journalism! This guy is just another Chris Simms/Ian Beckles! But the part that really ticks me off is that you keep giving these guys a platform for they’re nonsense!

  183. garro Says:

    Along with the use to be respected CBS. 🙂