Lay Off Luke Goedeke (Part II)
October 19th, 2022
Fan punching bag rookie left guard Luke Goedeke isn’t going anywhere and nobody’s pissed off at him at One Buc Palace.
Consider what Todd Bowles said about Goedeke on Tuesday.
“Luke is good at the run game. He got beat a couple of times [against Pittsburgh,] Bowles told the Buccaneers Radio Network. ” … He’s getting better. We just have to keep bringing him along. We know he’s going to be fine. We got to deal with the bumps and bruises of that and there are teachable moments for him.”
Bowles went on to say the second-round pick’s confidence “is great” and he needs to keep working on “better hand placement,” and that the game will slow down for Goedeke as time goes on.
Joe will note that first-round pick rookie guard Zion Johnson of the Chargers had three holding penalties on Monday night in a very tight game against Denver. Johnson had a solid start to the season but has had a hiccup recently.
It happens. They’re rookies. Not everyone is Tristan Wirfs.
Nobody’s panicking at One Buc Palace about the rookie, who right now is the weakest link on the Tampa Bay O-line.
Bowles said the grades were good for the offensive line individually against Pittsburgh, but collectively the grade wasn’t the greatest.
As for Goedeke, Joe hears the calls to bench him and/or for general manager Jason Licht to make a panic trade. Joe would counter that Goedeke may be struggling but he’s not the reason the Bucs are 3-3 instead of 4-2 or 5-1.
Joe has no problem giving Goedeke a few more games to right his ship.
October 19th, 2022 at 3:52 am
Mommy kool-aid
October 19th, 2022 at 4:01 am
Panic trade?????
Really. So Joe how much time has lapsed since Ali Marpet retired? How much time since Stiinie (who stank it up during the preseason) got injured? How much time since Jensen got injured?
And with this abortion of an interior O Line, after losing 3 of the last 4 games, you think that a trade is a panic? Stop with the pim pom happy talk. The O Line has serious problems. Those problems been persistent since the preseason. Call a spade a spade and stop making excuses for Licht, Bowles, and Leftwich.
October 19th, 2022 at 4:09 am
Goedeke and this OL is one of the many reasons that they are 3-3. How can this be denied? And these great run blockers have not exactly mowed down defenses, and failed to get a yard on a QB sneak.
These “teachable moments” and regular season practice regimen is what you do with a team without high expectations and a 3-5 year window. It is what you do if Kyle Trask were the starting QB.
It should not be what you do in the final year of Tom Brady’s career. That is, if that, and any whiff of a playoff/SB season, is even a consideration.
He has more than earned a farewell season on a stacked and brilliantly coached team, ready to give him a red carpet. Instead, he gets sacked.
Brady knows. Now he’s starting to express his frustration. He might have been better off staying retired.
October 19th, 2022 at 4:37 am
they just don’t want to admit their mistakes with the O-Line.
October 19th, 2022 at 5:14 am
I’m sure there was a guy on the Titanic yelling, Everything’s fine, everything’s fine, don’t panic!
October 19th, 2022 at 5:44 am
This is total coaching malpractice. Give him a few more games? I’ve seen enough. You can’t let this linger. You have to make a move now and stick with it for continuity sake. This is pure hubris by Licht and Bowles. It’s also gaslighting at its finest. Where’s the accountability? Goedeke isn’t the sole reason this offense is struggling. There’s plenty of blame to go around, but Goedeke is absolutely a liability in this offense and his inability to run block and pass block with any consistency is hindering this offense. In every single metric, Goedeke is bad. It’s not just the numbers. It’s also the film analysis from various outlets that’s showing that this guy is flat out bad.
It’s one thing to get beat, but he gets beat badly and immediate. The QB and running back has no chance. We like to talk badly about the pass offense, but we are dead last in rushing and a lot of that is due to Goedeke and Hainaey being unable to get any push. When opposing teams look at our film, they focus on one thing: Luke Goedeke. He’s a damn laughingstock of the league, not just locally. Bowles thinks things are fine, but he goes on about his frustration of our lack of short yardage success. You know Todd, Goedeke is big reason why we can’t get one damn yard.
Baghdad Bowles is telling us everything is ok. Nothing to see here. We’re winning the war in the trenches. I’ve defended Bowles, but now I’m seeing why those in NYC had an issue with this guy. Lack of accountability is gonna get this guy canned. I guess everything is also just dandy with Keith Armstrong and special teams.
October 19th, 2022 at 6:01 am
Joe … ‘Nobody’s panicking at One Buc Palace about the rookie, who right now is the weakest link on the Tampa Bay O-line.’
Goedeke, by virtue of being a rookie, is obviously a ‘weak line’ compared to Donnie, Shaq & Tristan. But he’s not ‘the weakest link’ IMO. Folks keep giving Hainsey a pass, but I’ve been less impressed with his blocking than I have been with Goedeke’s.
October 19th, 2022 at 6:01 am
Fwiw, “goedeke” is Dutch for “good one”.
October 19th, 2022 at 6:08 am
Id prefer for Goedeke to actually get “laid off”
October 19th, 2022 at 6:11 am
The customer has every right to complain about the product, regardless of what the seller thinks.
October 19th, 2022 at 6:13 am
Just because the Bucs aren’t panicking is hardly reassuring. No parent likes to admit it’s their kid stinking up the joint.
October 19th, 2022 at 6:40 am
luke is only going to get better by playing. These growing pains are to be expected. I have zero confidence in Bowles being able to grade anything, let alone an OLineman.
October 19th, 2022 at 6:58 am
I agree with Joe on this one.
October 19th, 2022 at 7:03 am
“Tampa Bay selected Luke Goedeke, out Central Michigan with the 57th overall pick. The 6-5, 312-pound guard is a tight end turned tackle who appeared in 10 games at right tackle in the 2021 season”
The kid is extremely inexperienced at tackle. Barely played the position in college. The reality is he’s a freaking TIGHT END, playing outside his natural element.
How Licht and the coaches thought a rookie TE with very little experience at tackle could play that position as a starter in his first year is mind-boggling.
This is not on Goedeke AT ALL. It’s on the Bucs terrible management and coaches. They should have sought out OL vets like Tretter during the preseason.
October 19th, 2022 at 7:12 am
“Individually grades were good but as a whole not good.” How is that possible? This guy is a joke. He and BL are killing this team.
#bowelshastogo
October 19th, 2022 at 7:16 am
I know the net result of the O line was Brady got hit/pressured so many times he eventually threw nothing but dump-offs and underneath. But yeah, they had NO expectations of him playing this year
October 19th, 2022 at 7:31 am
Joe’s estranged son Luke Goedeke
October 19th, 2022 at 7:43 am
Luke needs to work on his pad level. When he let his opponent get the lower pad level, he gets driven backward into the pocket.
In run blocking he is getting to the second level.
October 19th, 2022 at 8:04 am
The problem is not Goedeke……it’s the combination of Goedeke & Hainsey…..
We need a blocking TE like Stocker, Auclair added to the team……Ko & Cade are good but they are rookies.
October 19th, 2022 at 8:22 am
Matt LaFleur, the Packers coach, about the Packers offensive line: “We definitely have to look at what we’re doing in that regard because it hasn’t been up to the level that we’ve been accustomed to over my tenure here. We haven’t performed that poorly in a game up to this point.”
Compare this statement to Bowles. The Packers coach sounds like a guy who knows the OL play is actively hurting his team and will get his aging QB killed. Poor Brady. Bowles is leaving him out to dry.
October 19th, 2022 at 8:22 am
Gaslighting.
October 19th, 2022 at 8:28 am
What a terrible article, Tom Brady doesn’t deserve a farewell
Like this, offensive line stinks, starting with goedeke and follow
By hainsey!!
October 19th, 2022 at 8:30 am
@Steele. Amen! Brady deserved to go out on a bang. Now it’s just sad watching that human turnstile known as Luke Goedeke get beat so badly on nearly every pass play. That low throw to Godwin when he was open was because Goedeke got beat so bad and Brady was throwing the ball as a guy was hitting him in his midsection.
October 19th, 2022 at 8:38 am
Offense is terrible with this O-line. Brady looks uncomfortable.
October 19th, 2022 at 8:38 am
Every Olineman got beat vs Steelers including Wirfs, Mason and Smith.
The Steelers knew what was coming on alot of plays.
October 19th, 2022 at 8:40 am
I’ve tried to be patient and give him the benefit of the doubt, but there is plenty of both film and grading that shows he’s near the bottom of the league at his position now
October 19th, 2022 at 8:47 am
Are we in bizarro world? Are we the only ones who watch the tape around here?
He was getting ANNIALATED time and time again and or penalized. On 3rd downs. In red zones. In every critical time and position he falters BADLY.
Why in the F can’t they try Walton? HE CAN NOT DO WORSE.
This guy is going to cost us a possible S.B. Yes it’s that bad. He’s a great kid. I get it. But right now he’s a massive reason why we suck and suck bad on offense.
This one is on YOU Jason!! You had ions to get a player in here but your drooling over Luke has cost this franchise big time. PATHETIC.
October 19th, 2022 at 8:55 am
In all my years of following this dumb site the only Offensive lineman I’ve ever seen this Joe truly trash was Garrett Gilkey. Everyone else gets a pass.
On the subject of Goedeke, based on this kids college tape and athleticism I truly believe he will be better in the future. Much like Alex Cappa he probably just needs a year to get his body NFL read and he’ll make a big jump in year 2. But he is going to suck all year long. Especially in this bland and predictable offense where everyone in the stadium knows what the play call is going to be on 1st down.
October 19th, 2022 at 8:55 am
NFL ready*
October 19th, 2022 at 9:03 am
Can u just imagine if this team loses to the Panthers?? All hell will break out. There’s no way we could lose that game right? That team is BETTER than the team we just got embarrassed by. You want to talk about a must win?
The problem is there is no improvement with this team as game after game goes by. Most of us are thinking they just have to find that switch and turn it on right?
What if there is no switch? What if this is who they are?
There had better be some come to Jesus moments with this organization soon or it could be one of the most forgettable seasons in Bucs history.
October 19th, 2022 at 9:14 am
Man, if only they had listened to me when I was calling for Landon Dickerson (a C in college who’s doing awesome at G for the Eagles)…was there when we picked JTS….and then Ed Ingram this past draft (G for LSU who’s doing pretty good at G for the Vikings) was there when we picked Luke.
Oh well. Its in the archives, Im not making this up. Maybe they need to hire me as lead scout and be officially in the room on the days of our drafts. In the past when theyve listened to me, we’ve done pretty good. Oh well.
October 19th, 2022 at 9:40 am
Luke came in as a rookie Right Tackle and has landed as the starting guard…he’s rightfully got some learning to do, but we have Brady this year…that’s it. Let’s pick up a guard (and DT) to make the most of the season we have.
October 19th, 2022 at 9:43 am
Okay so I’ve been hearing a lot of noise about Goedeke being a weakness on the O-line. So why doesn’t the coaching staff scheme some help with a fullback (Ko), running back chip blocking, or maybe add an extra guard on the line like they used to do with Hainsey?
Once again I blame the O-line problems on the coaches. And, now that I know that Goedeke use to be a TE, why don’t the Bucs make him eligible and slip him out for an occasional pass? Ya know, a low risk trick play.
October 19th, 2022 at 10:01 am
“Bowles said the grades were good for the offensive line individually against Pittsburgh, but collectively the grade wasn’t the greatest.”
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He’s saying every player is good but they were used terribly in the collective. so…. the coaches stink then is the conclusion!
October 19th, 2022 at 10:02 am
* Because thats above Byron’s comprehension skills. Basic stuff only.
October 19th, 2022 at 10:03 am
That was to Captain lol.
October 19th, 2022 at 10:12 am
67 isn’t the problem it’s Brains Leftout with his unimaginative play calls in the Red Zone and the fact Licht decided to load up on a bunch of over thirty injury prone Vets who don’t play.
October 19th, 2022 at 10:28 am
maybe bowles likes goedeke because goedeke is teaching bowles how to eat glass in his spare time…
#TougheningUpCoachBowles
October 19th, 2022 at 10:32 am
one would tend to thing if goedeke showed well in preseason you can pencil him in between jensen and smith…
and since he’s a tough dude with the wannabe mindset of say a jensen, then jensen will rub off on him in just the right way…
and if protection and blocking issue occur, stinnie is the perfect back up plan to toss in at right guard…
and if sh!t hits the fan then there’s leverett…
sounds like a really good plan to me…but as an ex girlfriend used to say to me “people plan and God laughs”
October 19th, 2022 at 10:37 am
initially i think they thought put young nasty next to nasty “big red”, because 2 nasty play after the whistle, beat yo azz at a bar type behemoths are better than one…
but now there is big trouble in little tampa
#BigTroubleInLittleChina
brady is a few hits shy of having “trent dilfer happy feet” at 45…this cannot be happening
October 19th, 2022 at 10:41 am
@Defense Rules
Hainsey is just as bad as Goedeke. I see it too.
If/when Jensen comes back, I would put Jensen in at Guard though.
October 19th, 2022 at 10:42 am
and it is true but never really mentioned…
hainsey get’s very very little push…
he has beefed up to an nfl lineman’s body, this is true…
but his thin legs that he was born with cannot be changed that that much…
he’s doing an okay job at center and in protection, but he gets very little push
October 19th, 2022 at 10:46 am
let’s just say this…
seriously now…
think about it…
i don’t think i have seen tom drop back this season one time yet, scan the field, and do the classic “tom brady bounce” in the pocket…
that happens when he is most comfortable back there, checking his reads with no worries, and then delivering a beautiful ball…
when tom is dropping back , bouncing in the pocket and patting the ball…all is good in bucsville – after all he is the goat
October 19th, 2022 at 10:46 am
okay now i will crawl back under my rock
October 19th, 2022 at 10:53 am
Well giving that Goedeke is a rookie I agrre we should not panic and give him some time, although I know Bucs fans are a fickle lot and look to blame the fact that the entire team is miserable on one player. If the O line is so great why can’t they open holes for the running backs ?? Why is the O line being pushed back, why can’t we gain a damn yard when we need it, why does Brady on a sneak look like a pathetic old dude who didn’t gain an inch Brady is in a bad place mentally and it shows….this team has looked flat in every single game and I think Bowles is right when he says they are living off of their Super Bowl win and actually it’s his fault…these starters played one series in one pre season game and Bowles treated them like delicate old veterans and here we are 6 games in and they are finger pointing at each other….
October 19th, 2022 at 11:20 am
IT”S SIMPLE … If you’re talking about an OL this much, they aren’t good.
October 19th, 2022 at 12:17 pm
Hainsey is just as bad . Hate to say it but Bucs aren’t going anywhere with this OLine. Bucs don’t get a pass neither. They were horrible on 3rd down.
October 19th, 2022 at 1:22 pm
I have seen alot of bad throws from brady lets not put it all on luke.
October 19th, 2022 at 2:11 pm
Ok, umm.. lets start with he’s a 3rd string G. we’ve seen the tape.. its really bad..stop with the “give him a chance” Brady will be dead by then..Jensen loss huge… stinnie loss..now showing huge
October 20th, 2022 at 6:29 am
Why is anyone even listening to Bowles at this point Joe.
Its a BS
October 20th, 2022 at 9:45 am
Cappa played well as a rookie. I don’t think one talented rookie will blow up your Oline but we basically have 2 rookies next to each other. If Jensen can return before the playoffs I would hold on. If Jensen is done for the year then I would look at a trade.
October 20th, 2022 at 9:45 pm
3.0 ypa rushing speaks for itself.