Turncoat Tommy

August 2nd, 2022

So it’s official, the NFL has put in writing that Tom Brady’s agent was talking to the Dolphins midway through last season about Brady becoming a Dolphins owner, executive and/or quarterback.

Joe’s going to take a day to be pissed off at the greatest QB in Tampa Bay history for his role in official tampering that drew a very harsh punishment for Miami.

Brady is all about the team, Brady insiders say, but that behavior was not a move that was all about the team while the Bucs were trying to win back-to-back Super Bowls.

It’s not cool at all that Brady was involved, and it could have been a distraction for him during last season. And he and his agent ran a huge risk of the shady behavior leaking during last season, which surely would have been a colossal mess.

Joe will be over this in a couple of days, but for now Brady is Turncoat Tommy. Joe sincerely hopes Brady’s teammates will forgive him, along with the Bucs’ front office.

Surely they will, but Joe suspects at least a few will be sour about it tonight.

91 Responses to “Turncoat Tommy”

  1. Ash Says:

    Doubt it.

  2. Buc1987 Says:


    Brady is a football God.

    He can do whatever he wants. IMO.

  3. #8 Says:

    Shut us all up Tom and get #8.

  4. SB~LV Says:

    told ya !

  5. bucsfan Says:

    Joe you got your answer why Brady is moping around. Brady knew this was coming out and like I typed yesterday he wants to be in Miami

  6. Derek Says:

    Can Brady be suspended Joe?

  7. Tim Says:

    Now, will the other shoe drop and we hear about a punishment coming down for Touchdown Tommy?

    If not, and I suspect not (the league prefers Brady to play, not to be suspended), I doubt there will be many if any boos when Tommy is introduced at the first home game. Fans are fickle, just win baby. Just look at the Cleveland fans when Watson was out there.

  8. Alanbucsfan Says:

    …and I suppose Leftwich and Bowles going on interviews the week before Rams playoff game was “all about the team”.
    The NFL is full of hypocrisy with their “rules for thee but not for me” BS.

  9. Buczilla Says:

    Yup, that’s a d!ck move and we should receive the picks that the Dolphins have got to forfeit. We’re still lucky to have Brady and he helped us win a superbowl, so I won’t be losing any sleep over this.

  10. Joe Says:

    Can Brady be suspended Joe?

    Possibly. But it’s all about the union rules. So doubtful. Guys and their agents squeeze their way off of teams all the time. Usually they are much more sleazy about it (Antonio Brown for example, or Josh Freeman if you like).

  11. Bucky Says:

    All we know is that Beal contacted Brady’s agent and pursued Brady as an owner/executive.

  12. Eigie Says:

    He was considering not playing. Period. Not in Tampa or anywhere else. Remember that there was much talk about his agent already offering his services somewhere which triggered the talk of Brady’s retirement right after their loss to the rams. So get over it. Brady made it clear that he was considering his options after his playing days are over. Why do people want to ignore that part? Oh yeah, that would kill the buzz. So carry on…

  13. R.O. Says:

    1.) Talks about joining the Dolphins as an exec or minority owner post retirement (which he did by the way) is no big deal. Who cares.

    2.) Bucs owned his rights for 2022 regardless. He couldnt just go play for the Dolphins anyway. He could have said he wanted out and forced a trade but he didnt. Are the Dophins a Super Bowl Contender, nope. Not even with TB12 as their QB.

  14. Mike C Says:

    Look, we knew going in Tampa was never going to his number one team.

  15. A Bucs Fan Says:

    Have always been a Bucs fan and was never a Brady fan before he came to Tampa. I am happy we won the super bowl and enjoyed the Bucs success until now. I wish he would have just left or retired for real.

  16. Bubby Says:

    Brady to Gronk! Touchdown dolphins!! Can you believe it future dolphin fans?

  17. D-Rome Says:

    It’s Tom Brady’s world and the Bucs, media, and fans are all living in it. I’m not saying or implying it’s a good thing. I think it’s a bad thing. I’m glad the Bucs stuck to their guns on this. My only surprise is that Brady believed he could get his way on this retirement nonsense.

  18. doolnutts Says:

    I think what is overlooked is that Miami started talking to Tom as early at 2019. To which he eventually said no thanks and came to TAMPA as a FA. It was only after the Dolphins literally offered him a piece of the team that he took them seriously.

    As much as I like “team” and “team loyalty” it is still a business and if he got a piece of a team I wouldn’t have blamed him. Not sure how that’s even legal under the CBA and maybe its not but Miami was throwing the kitchen sink at the guy his agent was doing right by him to at least listen.

    Overall he was still HIGHLY effective and we didn’t lose in playoffs over his play so for me personal it is what it is.

  19. THOMAS PFALZ Says:


  20. Buc92’ Says:

    Players in our locker room will no doubt feel a way about this , hopefully doesn’t ruin the season, winning cures all … we will see … Kyle Trask era definitely begins next season


  21. Tbfan55 Says:

    Who cares of we wanted to leave? He is a football God, brought us out of the doldrums, and won us a SB championship. He is a football God far as I am concerned and can do whatever he wants.

  22. GOB Says:

    5,316 yards. 43 TDs. 102.1 Rating. If he was distracted, it certainly didn’t show. How about a little respect and appreciation for the man who put your franchise on the map. Some of you won’t be happy, until you’re wearing paper bags over your heads again.

  23. BucBoy Says:

    Damn, Brady looks thin in that photo and other photos I’ve seen lately. What’s his diet? Lettuce?

  24. westernbuc Says:

    Unfortunately we don’t know the extent Brady was interested, but the fact he was talking leaving the Bucs in December bothers me a great deal. Especially to go to some s-hole like Miami. Our team gave him the keys to the franchise. No other team did. Us. Seems like he forgot that.

    They’ve been talking to him since he was a Patriot but decided to draft Tua over signing him. Why? Was he not interested in playing for them?

    And if he was actively trying to join the Dolphins, and then came back on the condition BA got fired, that’s some LeBron spit, and we never should’ve obliged.

  25. Buc1987 Says:

    Tbfan55…or just see what I wrote up top…lol.

  26. Capece is Kaput Says:

    I read some other articles about this and did not come away with anything negative on Brady’s end against the Bucs. Think about it, some guy is offering you an ownership stake in his football team. Are you not going to talk to him?

    And it seems it was more geared toward ownership executive position, with, possibly playing (once the Bucs no longer had his rights). If the Glazer’s were offering that, then yeah, I could understand being p’od at Tom, but they were not. Joe, get over this one quicker. Pound your Big Storms right now or whatever you have to do.

    Ownership is different than playing, which was mentioned in the NFL ruling. “Geared toward” isn’t relevant here. Brady always could have said I’ll sit down with you when the season is over. –Joe

  27. BucBoy Says:

    An agent does what the principal orders. Tom was in on it.

  28. Steven007 Says:

    Which team does Tom play for again? I have no problem with any of this. And as was noted this began while he was with the Patriots. He very easily could have stayed retired, made it official and then moved on to the dolphins. At least next year. He opted to come back and be quarterback for our team. That’s good enough for me. The rest is just smoke.

  29. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    Joe being overdramatic again. Dude put up an mvp performance for his team and almost got us a second super bowl but he wants to lamb blast him for not being loyal. I guess we would prefer americas quarterback that no one wanted because loyalty reasons. Brady was fantastic and Joe is glad he’s here. And as Joe wrote, this will be a non-issue at JoeBucsFan world headquarters in a couple of days. But what Brady did was unnecessary and disloyal to the Bucs organization. Would you feel the same way if this was Mike Evans talking to the Houston Texans? Not telling you how to feel or think. We can all be fans in different ways.–Joe

  30. Lordy Says:

    How the hell is he a turncoat when he chose the BUCS over the Dolphins not once or twice? If anything that should tell you how much he loves the team and the organization.
    When you are Tom Brady talking to another team midseason, then you are risking a massive distraction for you own team if it leaks. And Brady and his team knew it was tampering. It was a turncoat move. Joe is very grateful Brady is here, but it wasn’t cool. Dude is worth how much money? The chat couldn’t wait? –Joe

  31. Dooley Says:

    Lots of context missing here. The Anti-Tampering policy puts the onus on franchises not to partake in any activities during the “no tampering” phase of the league year that would be considered attempting to offer ANYTHING to a player under contract with another team. The reports say Brady turned the Dolphins down twice, once in 2019 and the other in 2021. Both instances happened before the end of the regular seasons while Brady was under contract with teams and per the rules, the Dolphins were wrong even reaching out to Brady and/or his representatives about any offers whether it was playing/ownership.

    Calling Brady a turncoat after he chose the Bucs after the Dolphins tampered with him on two separate occasions over the course of two years is doing a bit much. At the very least, it’ll be interesting watching the teams interact next week and it’ll be interesting to see if Tampa actually files a complaint which we’d be totally justified doing as the Bucs owned Brady’s rights before, during, and after the retirement announcement. Doubt we do, but I wouldn’t pass up on a chance to get an extra draft pick lol

  32. D-Rome Says:

    All this tampering talk…didn’t the Bucs tamper with Brady during the 2020 off season?

  33. Iron-Wombat Says:

    Tampering happens constantly in the NFL. it’s not normal for the NFL to absolutely slap a franchise for it. So why? What was going on down in Miami that needs a big shiny distraction to keep us from noticing? Ownership telling a minority head coach to tank the season then firing him when he didn’t? That’s a much bigger deal than trying to lure a coach and a QB away from their teams while under contract.

  34. Trey Long Says:

    Complaining about TB is so petty.

  35. Ultra ClodHopper Says:

    Could the retirement have been a stunt trying to get off his Bucs contract? Then when it didnt work he unretired?

  36. bucsfan13 Says:

    @Buc boy Brady looks very thin and gaunt. He looks sickly. How can he go into the season at that weight.

  37. GOB Says:

    At least Brady didn’t deny it like the dolphins owner did. Go read his statement. Brady was asked, and said he had discussions with lots of people. The retirement fiasco was a smoke screen. Did Brady even file his retirement paperwork? I have no doubt he asked the bucs to be traded. They told him no. Mr Kraft told him no after Superbowl 52. You don’t travel across the pond, to tell your owner you’re unretiring. That takes a phone call. With this information coming to light, Brady demanding BAs departure looks very plausible.

  38. Coran Says:

    This is embarrassing to be mad at. You don’t know all the details. They’re talking about ownership of a team when the guy is on the brink of retirement. He’s 45! Not mad at the ownership situation. Mad about the playing aspect specifically noted in the NFL report. –Joe
    He’s obviously got to think about what happens after playing. He has multiple other jobs RIGHT NOW, the analyst job lined up, are you complaining about him not being focussed because of all of that? He put up MVP numbers, almost had the bucs come back from being down huge despite an injured line and depleted receivers (with some great defensive takeaways later on!), none of this screams he’s unfocused. He made the bucs relevant. There’s no SB, no b2b winning seasons, no big free agent signings without Tom. He’s brought this team and city so much and you’re mad about him talking to dolphins about an ownership stake near retirement?!?! He CHOSE TB, and signed to extend. He’s played exceptionally well. Even if he wanted to play for the fins, who cares? He could’ve gone anywhere, could’ve become a buc and just packed it in collecting a cheque… he didn’t. Coaches interview for other positions during the season, do you get mad at them? This is a nothingburger. Him playing elsewhere is not a betrayal, he’s not a turncoat, he’s 45 and has earned the right to do what he wants, especially since he continues to deliver for the bucs while he’s here.

    Btw, love the site, both fun and informative! I check in everyday and appreciate that it isn’t just weirdo opinion with no facts or interviews or insight. Good mix of stuff!

  39. Buc Unto Death Says:

    Brady is doing us a favor being here. We need to stop acting like we are all family. He brings the game and leaves it all on the field. But, in the end, Brady is a much bigger player than the Bucs. we are fortunate to be a part of his resume. The sooner we accept this and enjoy the ride, the better the experience will be.

  40. bucsfan13 Says:

    Not only has he isolated Bucs fans, he totally ruined his relationship with Pats fan. He was having talks with the Dolphins during his last season with NE. Those talks continued during the post season. Brady is a mythical God in NE. The Brady Brand clothing line is in serious trouble.

  41. Bird Says:

    Yah. I dont get it. Why the outrage?

    The fins have been after him since his time when he was a patriot.
    The dude lives in south florida. The dolphins are in south florida. His kids go to school there. Play sports there? That he can attend their events after practice if he lived there?

    Yah it sucks this came out and there were discussions during year. Who cares though. The dude put up an mvp season. He doesnt sleep when he loses. So to claim he threw in the towel is laughable. Or he wasnt focused last year ? 😂 He cares about championships period.

    And im sure other then fox broadcasting deal , his future aspirations are probably nfl executive/ owner. And dolphins could let him do that from
    Home. Are you sure he wanted to qb there? I guess we will find out next year But it could be about ownership. Plus we are buc fans. We will move onto next qb and everyone but a few losers should be thrilled he made us relevant again.

    We got for 3 years from him. When we wondered if he had 2 good ones left at his age. We got a super bowl and maybe a second if all those key guys dont go down.

    Enjoy people. He is a hired gun who made the bucs tops in the league. And people are upset ? 😂

  42. Dooley Says:


    Give that conspiracy a rest, or have you not seen BA at all the practices so far?

  43. Pewter Warrior Says:

    Who cares, without Brady we are irrelevant

    Glad he is here, sucks he was tempted to leave for a inferior organization. But this is the golden age of Bucs football enjoy it for as long as it last


  44. snookman Says:

    This is where you are weak minded and feable. You let your emotions get the best of you Joe. Who the F Cares………..Its not what Tampa can do for Brady………Its what Brady can do for Tampa. I dont care where an athelet’s heart or intentions are……….I want them to provide joy, entertainment, success, and wins for my rooting interest……………Its what TOM does for me. So the F what………He wanted to move to Miami where his Wife wants to be for her career and play for the Dolphins with a competent head coach in Sean Peyton. This was the plan all along and is probably going to take place next season. Brian Flores and the Ownership of the dolphins muffed that punt. Brady is now back in Tampa……..and his Job is to be a winner for US…………I dont care if he or any athelete had differnt motives……WIN……..we were a joke of a franchise until he got here……………we will be a Joke when he leaves……..but for now…………we are riding the best 3 year run in Franchise history…………………..!!!! Be Smarter!

  45. Buczilla Says:

    GOB Says:
    August 2nd, 2022 at 1:09 pm
    5,316 yards. 43 TDs. 102.1 Rating. If he was distracted, it certainly didn’t show. How about a little respect and appreciation for the man who put your franchise on the map. Some of you won’t be happy, until you’re wearing paper bags over your heads again.

    I usually try my damnedest to avoid the trolls, but this one was too cute to pass up. Exactly how many superbowls did the patriots win before Brady got there? Brady was a d-bag, but he’s human and in the end he was instrumental in helping us win our second superbowl, so his little dalliance with the dolphins is much to do about nothing. I nerve of these boston folks. 😜

  46. LOL Says:

    How are all the idiots saying this was fake news feeling right now??

  47. bucsfan13 Says:

    That Fox deal will probably be ripped up. No way Fox wants Toxic Tommy.

  48. Bucsfanman Says:

    “1.) Talks about joining the Dolphins as an exec or minority owner post retirement (which he did by the way) is no big deal. Who cares.”

    AND this…
    “2.) Bucs owned his rights for 2022 regardless. He couldnt just go play for the Dolphins anyway. He could have said he wanted out and forced a trade but he didnt. Are the Dophins a Super Bowl Contender, nope. Not even with TB12 as their QB.”

  49. Hodad Says:

    Without going into detail Brady himself said he’s presented with many opportunities, and yes he listens. It’s the job of his agent to find the best opportunities, and present them to his client. Actions do speak louder than words. Brady is still a Buc, that’s all I really care about. He never made it public he wanted out of Tampa, or demanded a trade like so many high profile atheletes do. I would bet there’s not a player in the locker room that feels betrayed, or wishes Tom wasn’t a Buc. They all know to well that football is a business, and every player has to do what’s best for them, and their family. If the Dolphins blew anything it was drafting Tua over Herbert. That was a bigger scew up than courting Brady.

  50. Hodad Says:

    If we’re to be pissed about anything it should be the Glazers didn’t offer Tom a piece of their action like Ross was willing to do.

  51. Dean Giusti Says:

    I’m with Joe here. Brady shouldn’t have been talking to ANY other NFL team while under contract. It irks me he would do that. I’m a Buccaneers fan first. And even the great Tom Brady if he didn’t want to be here anymore then don’t let the door hit ya in the ass on your way out.

  52. Vgb3 Says:

    This is exactly why Brady cannot stand the media…the dolphins were fined for talking and offering terms without permission…where is ANY OF THE INVESTIGATION DID BRADY AGREE TO TERMS IN WRITTING OR VERBALLY?..Brady himself said ” I have received opportunities for last 3 to 4 years about what I would do after retirement “…ANYBODY CAN APPROACH YOU ABOUT OFFERS ..IT MEANS NOTHING UNLESS TO NEGOTIATED OR ACCEPTED IT…and since the repercussions are strictly on dolphins it sounds like they went for broke and got NOTHING IN RETURN..thats why Brady put out fox deal to SHOW WHAT IT REALLY WAS ABOUT…also BRADY IS 45 EVERY YEAR IS YEAR TO YEAR…AND YES HE WAS LOOKING FOR THE NEXT…STAY WITH FACTS!!!!!…

  53. Stone crab sam Says:

    These days it means so much more in this society for words to mean much more than actions. Just ask gruden. He can tell you all about it.
    Where is Brady playing today?
    End of story.

  54. Melvin Junior Says:

    Ultra ClodHopper Says:
    “Could the retirement have been a stunt trying to get off his Bucs contract? Then when it didnt work he unretired?”

    Ummmm, Welcome To The Party… Just Wake-Up, ‘Sleepy-Head!?’ Where You Been… This Is Old, Olddddd News. Everything Began Falling Apart At The Very Last Second In Miami (after the Flores firing), With The Lawsuit, Etc…. Peyton Backed-Out, Arians Then, Mentions To The Media That Maybe, He’d Have To Consider Taking ‘FOUR’ 1ST-Round PICKS (for a Brady-Trade), & All While, The Bucs Were Beginning To Go ‘ALL-IN’ In Their Pursuit Of The DeShawn Watson Sweepstakes. Everything falls apart in Miami + The Bucs on the verge of trading for Watson = Brady PANICKING, & Being FORCED To PLAN-B… Back In Tampa, Plan-BUCS.

  55. Ed Says:

    It was a surprise that Brady came back after he “retired”. Having him for one season is a positive and once the whistle blows he’s all in. The media and reporters will talk about this but for the general fan, all we care about is wins and losses and we are certainly in a better position with TB than with Gabbert or Trask.

    2022 could be the last time the Bucs are contending for a Super Bowl for a long time so suck it up that football players are business people and if a deal comes along that would make you a partner after football, why not listen. He certainly didn’t want to be a Dolphin to be a QB.

  56. sasquatch Says:

    So is this further evidence that his “retirement” was a ruse?

    Frankly, I’ve always been a Brady fan, but the celebrity and power aspect of having him as QB has worn on me, which is why I am sick of the 5-a-day Brady articles… I don’t think his loyalties are to the Bucs or Bucs fans, at all. Tampa and the Buccaneers are just vehicles for satisfying his ego. The humility stuff is really just an act.

  57. Your Mom Says:

    He’s struck me as a sociopath, so not surprising to me.

  58. 99 55 47 20 Says:

    A lil strong there Joe lol. Not gonna throw shade on our G.O.A.T. Super Bowl Winning Quarterback that came back to be here for another year

  59. Herbiebic Says:

    He was dead wrong he could’ve fd up this whole franchise if it would have leaked out during the season. As a Buc fan I’m starting to feel like the Bucs are being used as footstools our true core talent has come from great drafting and superb free agent decisions but the nation only see tom Brady goat or not it’s a team sport and he chose Tampa bay for a reason

  60. Herbiebic Says:

    If we can win a SuperBowl when he leaves we become a legendary dynasty

  61. Listnfrmafar Says:

    This just proves he could play for Arians. BA lack of dedication to his trade went up Brady’s arse sideways. This started in 2019 when Belichick kept low balling him. Ironically Belichick sent Flores a text.that wasn’t supposed to be meant for Flores that started this whole charade. Sour milk. We will find out next it was Brady that would only come back if BA was gone. Grow up tampering happens ALL the time and this is just a deterrent to Watsons brush under the rug punishment.

  62. Lakeland Steve Says:

    I like Joe Bucs fan, but the reason I started coming to your site was because of Ira. I know that Ira didn’t write this. Ira was born and raised during a time when if you didn’t feel comfortable saying something (or writing) that you wouldn’t say to someone’s face then you didn’t say it. To me this is totally classless on your part. There could have been a lot of ways to get across how you felt without stooping to name calling. Now if you are not a total clown and you are any type of a man at all then the next time you ask Brady a question lead by calling him Turncoat Tom. But you won’t and I guess this is alright with a lot of people nowadays but you aren’t and never will be considered any type of a serious or competent journalist writing garbage like this.

  63. Herbiebic Says:


  64. bucsfan951 Says:

    this just confirms my fear… tommy is gone after this season. better enjoy it one last time!

  65. 813bucboi Says:

    Glazers should’ve offered Brady a piece of the pie when he first arrived lol

    It is what it is now….


  66. Herbiebic Says:

    Who cares, without Brady we are irrelevant

    Glad he is here, sucks he was tempted to leave for a inferior organization. But this is the golden age of Bucs football enjoy it for as long as it last


    Being Irrelevant doesn’t mean we’re not good actually we’re still pretty dam good with or without him tbh 🤷🏾‍♂️

  67. GOB Says:

    Zilla, if you believe Brady wins six Superbowls without Bill Belichick, you’re crazy. The first three were won largely with a defense Bill built. That defense held the Rams, the highest scoring team in the League, to 17 points. His defense also held the eagles to 21 points. Brady, like many QBs then, was a game manager. Give a little credit, and have a little respect for the greatest football mind the game has ever witnessed. Belichick did it without the benefit of a bunch of top 15 picks, unlike the bucs.

  68. AbucAway Says:

    Meh, I’m not even mad. If I could be a suit at 44yrs old rather than eating dirt, id entertain the offering.

    Tom is TB12 before all else.

  69. D-Rok Says:


    The chicken or the egg? I think as fans we will debate Bill or Brady over beers until the cows come home in our retirement home. My personal feeling/observation? Bill mostly responsible for the first 3 SB’s in NE, and Brady was probably more the reason they won the next 3.

    My evidence is Tampa Bay, year one, new team, no offseason due to Covid. I realize Brady came to a ready and stocked roster in Tampa, but man did he change the culture in a hurry around here.

    I think Brady learned a great deal in his first 10 years from Bill, then took it upon himself to “carry” a team.

  70. Show Me the TDs Says:

    What are you, 5 years old? Gimme a break.

  71. Doc Says:

    I guess the rules do apply when Tom, (I have been caught cheating and deflating footballs ,oh it was the ball boy) Brady. New England, got wind of what he did and did not want that turn coat back. the sooner he leaves the better.

  72. TBfan Says:

    Are you kidding me…ya he was distracted..yup…a million yards of passing…a mountain of touchdowns…could easily have been nfl mvp…and if Bowles doesn’t call a zero blitz when the Rams were DEAD…we’re going for 3 championships in a row..take that to the bank. Turncoat this!🙄

  73. D-Rok Says:

    Oh Doc,

    Go back to what you might be competent at: practicing medicine. Emphasis on practice.

    SHEESH where’d all the trolls come from? LOL.

  74. George Says:

    Doesn’t bother me at all that Brady agent engaged in discussions . The business world is a competitive place and The NFL even more so .

  75. BucsFan Says:

    They would have punished Tom if he was involved. What a horrible thing to write about him! How do you know he didn’t just ignore and provided the info about someone contacting him to the NFL? You are breeding hate for our QB and thst is not okay.

  76. D-Rok Says:

    PS: GOB, you are right, those defenses of the Pats were excellent and mostly instrumental in the success of the Pats’ first 3 titles. I tend to gravitate towards great defensive play as a fan, and they did not disappoint.

    Except for the stupid Giants. Those guys got lucky, twice, LOL.

    Imagine my excitement watching the Bucs D obliterate the mighty Chiefs in the SB win. My voice is still hoarse from that game!!!

  77. Delusional Intelligence Says:

    I’m with you on this one Joe. Even entertaining the conversation was a choice, not a mistake.

  78. Rod Munch Says:

    Stop being a bunch of dramaqueens.

    Also Brady was not going to play for the Dolphins, period. The Bucs owned his rights, and weren’t giving them up to be nice guys. The Glazers aren’t nice guys.

    The Dolphins attempted to recruit him in 2019, to play the 2020 season, and obviously he choose the Bucs instead. Says everything.

    The discussions for 2022 were going to be front office or nothing – the same deal the Glazers should be giving Brady right now – although, who knows, maybe they are going to give him that deal but can’t announce anything until he real retires.

    In any case I don’t care in the least if he wants to be here or not so long as he’s winning. And if you think Brady is why we didn’t win the SB last year, you obviously didn’t watch a single game from the season.

  79. Wild Bill Says:

    No doubt Brady was extremely upset the way the season ended. The defensive screw up cost him the chance to win in overtime. My guess is Brady retired “unretired” as he went through the emotions of a bitter end of the season. After a lot of anguish, sole searching and as the shock of the defensive collapse that cost him another SUPER BOWL shot, Brady took a long look at all his options. Relocating to Miami but not as a football player was his primary goal. Miami dangled bait under the table and got caught and punished. But Brady was smart enough to know that no matter how tempting, that move was fraught with legal issues. So he kept his mouth shut (publically) and calmed down, probably got legal advice, and decided to unretire if certain conditions were met (Arians retires, the receiver corps is beefed up). The rest is history. Brady pouted, let his agent take the probable heat, and Miami shot themselves in the foot by tampering. Brady is the big winner by getting the changes he wanted, the Bucs are good to go, and Miami takes a very big hit for tampering. My only regret is that in order to placate Tom, the Bucs did too little to beef up the O and D lines and put a lot of effort on signing a huge group of pass catchers. They are now overloaded on skill positions and thin on their lines! It will be interesting to see how this plays out. They need to trade some of their extra receivers for some beef! But then who am I to say shi*e about that!

  80. Buczilla Says:


    Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh might take exception to your assumption that Bill Belichick is the best coach in NFL history if they could. No doubt he is on a short list of folks that most sane people might consider the best coach ever, but the fact remains that neither he nor the patriots have won a super bowl without Brady. Hypothetically he could have won one without Brady, but you’re just making an educated guess and nothing more. If he wins one without Brady then the debate is moot, but until he does it’ll be on his resume that he hasn’t.

    Willie McGinnest, Terry Glenn, Ty Warren, Richard Seymour, and Jerod Mayo were all top 15 picks of the Patriots. Both Bill and Licht both deserve credit for finding players in later rounds or through trades as well, but no coach, no matter how good he is can win without talent. Maybe I’m being petty, but my team has won a super bowl without Brady and yours has not. Just facts man.

    BTW, I love Boston and I’ve had a blast every time that I’ve gone. The folks that I’ve met there have been wonderful, so nothing personal. I just think that your take on Bill being the best football mind ever is going a tad bit overboard.

  81. Chris Says:

    If you want loyalty, buy a dog. He’s our QB he’s going to play this year Bucs fans enjoy the last season with him. We will never see this good of play from a QB again. So if you care you shouldn’t, after this year who knows how long we will be saying “man wish we still had Brady”.

  82. D-Rok Says:


    I tend to mostly agree with your rationale. Let’s not forget Landry and Bryant, perhaps even Siefert, in the category of brilliant coaches. Belichick is right up there with all the great minds in football. In the modern era, Belichick gets my vote for best coach. In previous eras, because football was different back then, Lambeau, Landry, Noll, Lombardi were pioneers of the game and each had their own genius about them. Let’s not forget Parcells and what he taught Belichick.

  83. Miller5252 Says:

    I wonder how close Brady was to going to the Saints? If Payton would have pushed Drew out the door, Brady probably could have gone that way too. Payton thought ole Drew had one more Super Bowl in him and he was wrong. Just like Lynch…. He should have been fired on the spot for not taking Brady over Jimmy G. The coach too if he didn’t want Brady over G.

  84. Bucschamp Says:

    Looks like it all started while he was with NE and just continued late with the Bucs. It says part-time owner but QB isn’t confirmed. can’t blame him thinking about the future. I’m pretty sure he’s also thinking about it everyday when he goes home and see his kids. But this is Tom, good dad at home, savage on the field. I don’t worry at all

  85. Listnfrmafar Says:

    Did you all forget BA was talking to Brady illegally? It was all over sports media. Brady also got lost going to BL’s house and went into the wrong one, remember that? That was before the allowed time. GOB is right, not about Belichick because I don’t believe Drew Bledsoe wins those SB’s but Brady wanted 9ers that’s why he turned down Miami, Bucs were way down the line behind Tenn and the Raiders.

  86. Rod Munch Says:

    Listnfrmafar – you’re an idiot, Brady went to the wrong house AFTER he was signed you dope. Geez, get the basics right if you’re going to make some idiotic claims.

  87. BigMacAttack Says:

    We’re lucky to have had TB12 in the first place. He brought us a championship. We’re lucky he’s back now. I sure wouldn’t want him to retire again and leave us in the lurch. The Glazers could offer him a stake in the Bucs too. Who knows? Maybe they have now. There’s two sides to every story and the truth usually resides somewhere in between. Tom doesn’t owe us anything. What happened is between him and his teammates. If they’re good, I’m good. I just feel that we’ve been blessed and we really need to win the Super Bowl again this season. Tom’s agent should be penalized maybe, but again I don’t care. It’s up to the Glazers to make him want to stay. Someone said or did something because he’s here playing for us again and today that’s all that matters. Joe needs to get over it.

  88. Michael Says:

    Brady would have never played for the Dolphins. He may have eventually become a part owner of the team but the Bucs would never had given up his rights.I also believe that with him being under contract he would have had to get approval from the other owners. Brady was fully focused on winning last year. Mountain/Molehill Go Bucs!

  89. Hugh’sGhost Says:

    The one percenters are going to do 1% stuff.

  90. Listnfrmafar Says:

    Rod, you maybe correct but I do remember reading or hearing something about him not supposed to be there, not sure why. So am I supposed to believe Jerry Jones has never crossed the line with a player? You all better cross your fingers Brady just doesn’t say F it and retires or the best your going to get is Jimmy G. Good luck with average.

  91. Eddie Marz Says:

    What’s really funny about this whole thing is that Miami could have had Brady after the 2019 season and said we’ll stick with what we’ve got, Ryan Fitzpatrick. LMAFO GOBUCS!