Carlton Davis Is Staying Home

March 14th, 2022

He’s back!

UPDATED 5:32 p.m. – What a welcome piece of news!

Ian Rapoport of NFL Network Twitters that Bucs free agent corner Carlton Davis will not bolt the team. Instead, Davis will stay with the Bucs.

Joe received a tip over the weekend from a trusted source that Davis was all but gone and the Bucs were bracing for him to sign elsewhere with news of the new team to be known as early as Monday afternoon.

That was before Tom Brady announced his return.

Well, it is Monday afternoon. And it is Davis’ old team. You think Tom Brady may have influenced Davis? 🤔

Davis, 25, likely landed a huge deal at $15 million per season. (Damn, the Bucs are kicking a big can down the road.) The Gravediggers are still digging! Is Jordan Whitehead next?

133 Responses to “Carlton Davis Is Staying Home”

  1. Dan Says:

    This is huge!! $15 million a year for him is a steal!

  2. adam from ny Says:

    awesome joe awesome !

  3. adam from ny Says:

    30 mil guaranteed

  4. adam from ny Says:

    start printing up those gravedigger shirts again

  5. Thisisouryear!! Says:

    Awesome!!! I wonder how much more we can afford. Go cap man!!!

  6. Bucsfan951 Says:

    Just 24 hours ago, I was feeling not so confident about this year. This is just pure craziness! But dammit, we buc fans deserve this!!!

  7. Adrnagy Says:

    Good deal for both sides for sure.

  8. LOL Says:

    Good deal. Bucs will have a bargain in this dude next year and going forward

  9. Tampabaybucfsn Says:

    Surprised…hope this doesn’t impact Whitehead

  10. BucsfaninStA Says:

    Woo!! A team friendly deal too!!! Seriously, this week’s news have been a Godsend of happiness!! Woo!! Goooo Bucs!!!! They’re going to kick some serious ass this fall!!! Definitely happy that we didn’t have to give up the farm for Watson, something that I do hope that Carolina or The Sucky Aints do- I so want our defense to pummel that dude’s ass back to the Stone Age…

  11. Francisco Guzman Says:

    I just wonder when they’re gonna address that defensive line. Also they need to resign gronk.

  12. PassingThru Says:

    Excellent, just stay healthy.

  13. Alexstotle Says:

    Great sign!!!! So happy

  14. ncbucsfan Says:

    Now get Whitehead and I’m good! If we can slide La’ael Collins onto our offensive line too….OMG I’m going to be stoked!!! Fortify the trenches OG, Dline in Rds 1 & 2 and the Bucs are going to be a problem. If Brady can make Jaelon Darden or Cyril Grayson a priority to build chemistry with, we will have our revenge!! And we have to develop Trask. Make him stay under Brady….sleep outside his bedroom with him and Giselle, idc just do everything possible to make him see his life as Brady sees his so we don’t feel like this ever again….at least not the next decade.

  15. Goatfarmer Says:

    Jordan has turned into one of the best safeties in the game. I prioritized him over CD but we do have good safety depth.

    Now cue the geniuses who are horrified CD is back, these Pasco Einsteins would likely prefer Myron Lewis and EJ Biggers.

    Thankful that JL runs the operation and not these nut jobs.

  16. Marine Buc Says:

    Cool. I’m pleased. Good deal for Davis and a good deal for the Bucs.

    I wasn’t expecting to have C. Davis back but I’m glad we can stop sweating the CB position… For Now.

  17. David Says:

    Wow. Only 10 million per season guaranteed… This is huge. I thought for sure he was gone but I’ve been arguing how valuable he is. The defense is better and more flexible when he is on the field.


  18. Scotty in Fat Antonio Says:

    So, what contracts are being restructured or who is getting cut between now and Monday?

  19. Listnfrmafar Says:

    Am I missing something? Wasn’t this secondary horrible? Bringing the same guys ba k doesn’t fix the problem.

  20. Scotty in Fat Antonio Says:


  21. David Says:

    I was sure they’ll sign Whitehead, now I’m not sure sure. Whitehead is fantastic but he’s more of a versatile run stuffer. Edwards is better in coverage but hopefully it won’t matter and they’ll have both along with Winfield

  22. Bird Says:

    This cant be. Brady aint good He was a mistAke. His presence has no weight on others.

    Im kidding. Dopes like oneil and lamarcus and orlbucfan are not impressed though

    Hey good deAl for both. I thought it would be 17 plus for way more years

  23. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Called it!

  24. Francisco Guzman Says:

    List they should focus on the D-line. Get some players upfront!!!

  25. Marine Buc Says:

    My “big four” free agents were Godwin, Jenson, Davis and Whitehead – in that order.

    So far we got 3 out of 4. We just need to get Whitehead signed.

    Next are the tier two guys – Fournette, Gronk, Cappa, Suh, Stinnie, JPP and Gholston. We lost Cappa but signed Stinnie.

    Gronk and Suh count for $12M of dead cap space so I really hope we get those two signed so we can kick that $12M down the road one more season.

  26. Francisco Guzman Says:

    Looks like we gonna play more zone. 🤦‍♂️

  27. Francisco Guzman Says:

    I don’t want suh back. I want young players upfront on that D-line.

  28. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Per PFT
    “The Bucs currently are about $7 million over the 2022 salary cap, according to”

    So they gained some cap space somehow.

  29. adam from ny Says:

    i would think whitehead is all frothy to sign here now

  30. Allbuccedup Says:

    Good price for a top cornerback

  31. Coburn Says:

    Agrees Guzman. I wouldn’t be mad to have Suh back if it was very team friendly.. but another year on him… Would rather go younger. Jpp imo should be gone. Respect everything he’d done for us, but imo his body is callng it quits… He’s a warrior but all his major injuries over the years adding up

  32. Francisco Guzman Says:

    Coburn go after Akiem Hicks on the cheap.

  33. Francisco Guzman Says:

    Buccaneer Bonzai they’re doing restructures or extensions behind close doors

  34. Steven007 Says:

    I’m nearly as surprised that Davis is back as I was that Brady came back. Thought for sure he’d be gone. Good signing and quite a good deal too for both parties. All aboard for Whitehead hopefully.

  35. Noles Says:

    Who cares Kick that can ALL THE WAY TO THE SB

    Hell Yeah!!!

  36. Francisco Guzman Says:

    The problem with this secondary is inconsistency. We need to get better upfront. The scheme as well. Are we gonna make average QBs look great again?

  37. SOEbuc Says:

    Huge piece of thinking about a CB necessity in the first or second round

  38. StAugBuc Says:

    Chandler Jones please

  39. adam from ny Says:

    omg i’m hearing rumors of saquan barkley to the bucs

  40. Defense Rules Says:

    Dan … ‘This is huge!! $15 million a year for him is a steal!’

    Guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that one Dan. Davis’ agent knows what the market will bear. Spotrac had him listed with at almost $20 mil Market Value, but I seriously doubt he was gonna get anywhere close to that. There are tons of UFA CBs available right now, and lots coming out in the draft. Personally I’d rather roll the dice there than roll the dice on our DLine. It all starts in the trenches.

  41. JimmyJack Says:

    Love it. He is a very underrated player. Luckily underrated just by the fans and not to F.O.

    I did suggest P. Peterson yesterday but he is beyond his prime. You might not be getting much there. Some fans thinking replace him at #27, all i can say is hahahaha. Thats just not the position you expect a rookie to light it up.

    Solid move.

  42. adam from ny Says:

    yes to chan jones…maybe even seattle’s penny & wagner

  43. Francisco Guzman Says:

    Focus on the trenches with one of the first two picks.

  44. Francisco Guzman Says:

    I rather resign fournette than go after Barkley.

  45. Carlton Says:

    Joe Buc knows Jack Sh!t

  46. adam from ny Says:


    forget sportscrock estimates…

    that was without brady…with brady all the potential salaries can be knocked down a notch so to come back and play with the goat…

    think about it…

    carlton was probably looking at 5 years 90-100 mil elsewhere…

    and once brady returned he figured go shorter, stay with the bucs, with still time to fetch one more big contract in a few years

  47. BA4President Says:

    Kick the sh** out of that can! You gotta swing for the fences while you got the goat. GO BUCS!!

  48. DungyDance Says:

    Amazing. 24 hrs ago, the Bucs were a team without Brady, Jensen, and Davis. I mean, what a makeover! 24 hrs ago was a long, long time ago. LFG!!!!!

  49. adam from ny Says:

    with 3 good years here, carlton will fetch 3 years 60 mil potentially in the future, as contracts will rise…by then top corners might be getting 30 mil per year…

    and a small watered down stadium beer will be 20 beans

  50. Buczilla Says:

    I thought the money could have been better spent elsewhere, but no complaints here. If Carlton can stay healthy, it’s a fair deal both ways considering the funny money that gets shelled out for cornerbacks nowadays.

  51. Francisco Guzman Says:

    Looks like Watson has rejected every team minus the panthers and saints. We could see watson in the division. Bucs better shore up that defense.

  52. Listnfrmafar Says:

    The Barkley talk is to get Lenny off his arse. Francisco, I don’t get the Suh hate, he was the best Bucs had last season. The front was weaker because JPP was useless.

  53. adam from ny Says:

    the new america’s team ——-the bucs ——-and the glazers. of course…..have decided to remain the new america’s team…

    and not just be a flash in the pan and a blip on the radar…

    kudos to ownership…they invited tom to the uk and probably let him know “we got you tom, we are not going to kraft and belichik you, whatever you need, we got you”

  54. RPK Says:


    I am down to suck again for a decade to get another Super Bowl with the GOAT


  55. Francisco Guzman Says:

    List JPP wasn’t healthy. Try playing with a torn rotator cuff. When he was healthy in 2020 he played very well.

  56. Listnfrmafar’s daddy Says:

    Listnfrmafar, It’s time to be a responsible adult and leave your parents house. Put on your big boy pants and GTFO!!!

  57. Francisco Guzman Says:

    If the saints get watson look out . Ughhh idk how they can afford Deshaun watson.

  58. adam from ny Says:

    and now hopefully tom can get donny to convince ali to return…

    i’m sure tom will talk to him, but they need donny to hopefully talk to him too…

    losing both starting guards is actually a really big loss

  59. PassingThru Says:

    @Defense Rules

    I’m afraid the law of supply and demand would have pushed up Carlton Davis’ price to bidders. Outside of JC Jackson (who is not as good a coverage CB as CD), the current market is absolutely bare of quality corners. That makes $15 million an attractive number.

  60. JimmyJack Says:

    The way I see it you can safely bet Suh will be back. Correct if Im wrong but he currently counts as a hefty CAP hit because we pushed his last years salary. Whats that means you sign him this year and push his salary and he counts for very little added CAP for 2022. So its a no brainer to bring him back.

  61. adam from ny Says:

    i’m shocked cappa bolted

  62. Todd Says:

    Zion with our 1st pick please.

  63. Gbobucsfan Says:

    Watson to NO or Carolina….gonna need more d line.

  64. JimmyJack Says:

    BTW Gronk is in a similar situation as Suh salary wise. You can bring him back without absorbing much CAP hit. The long as you are willing to push his salary hit to next year.

    The sane also applies for JPP but he is in a different scenario being that he basically went a entire season of subpar football. Not that I would bet against him coming back with fury because i wont. But I would be looking at all the options depending on his demands.

  65. Marine Buc Says:

    @ DR

    I agree C. Davis has room for improvement but keep in mind he is only 25 and he probably still hasn’t hit his prime yet… Injuries are a slight concern but let’s hope he stays healthier than he did last season.

    JC Jackson got $16.5 million per with $40M guaranteed.

    I believe the deal for C. Davis was fair for both sides. Plus only a three year deal with $30M guaranteed – if it doesn’t go well it won’t be that catastrophic.

  66. Listnfrmafar Says:

    Passing through @ seriously JC Jackson not as good as Davis? Go look at the stats, not even close.

  67. adam from ny Says:

    i like raheem mostert

  68. bradybucs Says:


    One of the worst signings in team history.

    Our entire secondary has sucked even when healthy.. Bringing back the same suckage means more suckage.

    I am baffled as to how other Bucs fans don’t see how overrated Davis is and how bad Dean is SMB really are.


  69. SlyPirate Says:


    The Saints and Panthers are bidding up Watson. The “winner” will get Watson by depleting themselves of current talent and multiple high picks.

    (Personally, I hope it’s Carolina)

    Meanwhile, the Bucs can reload all their role players in this year’s draft and acquire a QB next year with an already stocked team of young talent.

  70. Francisco Guzman Says:

    bradybucs i was hoping for gilmore. Idk. They better get some players upfront.

  71. adam from ny Says:

    jackson is more of a gifted playmaker…

    davis is simply very fundamentally sound – and will only get better in that area as he enters his prime

  72. PassingThru Says:


    I actually watch the games. JC Jackson is superior in terms of INTs, but he’s inferior in terms of being a coverage CB.

    Stats can be very misleading when it comes to DBs. INTs can come at the expense of coverage as the DB plays the ball and not the receiver. Further, passes defended can understate the ability of a CB to cover his assignments. Smart QBs go after the weakest link, meaning that they throw more at the poor coverage DBs.

  73. Todd Says:


    Have never read such a delusional comment here my entire dog life.

    What’s your alternative, big fella?

    Or is ankle biting your gift?

  74. Francisco Guzman Says:

    Man i hood watson ends up in carolina. I still don’t know how on earth the saints can afford a guy like watson. Are they cheating the cap?

  75. Dean Giusti Says:

    Cappa you traitor! Way to go Carlton! Wise choice.

  76. Lord Cornelius Says:

    This was the most important signing IMO.

    Bowles D doesn’t work without good corner play and this would have been a huge hole and you can’t count on rookie corners the way you can other positions like rookie OL for example.

    Let’s go !!!!

  77. Tbbucs3 Says:

    Brady Bucs.

    If you think the Bucs defense is bad now, I introduce you to 2014-2019

  78. Defense Rules Says:

    Francisco … ‘I still don’t know how on earth the saints can afford a guy like watson. Are they cheating the cap?’

    LMAO Francisco. Saints & Panthers (and Falcons) are probably asking EXACTLY the same thing about us with the Brady, Godwin, Davis & Jensen signings. To date; more to come soon enough I’m sure.

  79. DaBux Says:

    Carlton Davis: I’m going to go get paid.

    TB12: Stay home, take some cash, win another ring.

    Carlton Davis: I ain’t pissin’ him off.

  80. Francisco Guzman Says:

    Defense Rules naw the saints where over 70 million the cap. They need more than 40 million to clear to sign watson. How is this possible?

  81. Brandon Says:

    How is this possible?

  82. YucstoBucs Says:

    NOT A FAN and could of had JC Jackson who’s way better for the same price granted he signed a 5 year and not 3 like CD24.. The GraveDiggers needed a Tom Brady like leader for those young guys and instead got an injured, blown coverages, above average corner for $15 million a year including 2.5 in bonuses he won’t reach because he’s injury prone .. Go Bucs, but not a fan of this signing

  83. Defense Rules Says:

    Marine Buc … I honestly don’t have a thing against Davis, except that he gets burned too often. And yes, more than Dean and about the same as SMB.

    o Davis has given up 20 TDs in 3194 def snaps (1 TD every 160 def snaps over his 4 years).
    o Dean has given up 6 TDs in 1763 def snaps (1 TD every 294 def snaps over his 3 years).
    o SMB has given up 13 TDs in 2029 def snaps (1 TD every 156 def snaps over his 3 years).

    And yet, so many JBFers consider Carlton to be our shutdown corner. My hope now is that Davis stays healthy & has improved to the point where he really can be our primary shutdown corner.

  84. adam from ny Says:

    tom is still planning to go down to the little dock by the bay and find big ali sitting there with his little banjo…

    tom is gonna scheme on ali 🙂


  85. Daryl Green Says:

    Gravediggers 😂😂😂🤣 they had a nice stretch in Super Bowl run.
    That don’t understand zone concepts, or they lack discipline as unit.
    He’s a good corner. This gravediggers stuff 😏

  86. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    You said that Brady had a problem with BA’s coaching style and that’s why he retired.

    You insulted BA as a coach numerous times on this website.

    Some Bucs fans like me after hearing this from you and multiple other media sources believed it.

    Care to comment?

    I loved John Lynch when he played for my beloved Bucs. I loved his violent nature of play. One of my favorites of all time.

    My heart belongs to the Bucs. My bachelor party was at a Bucs game over 20 some odd years ago to my still beautiful bride.

    I could never imagine being a Two Faced Lying Cheating Fan and following, watching and rooting for the Broncos when Lynch left the Bucs to play for them.

    Can you please tell us Bucs fans on the awesome Joe Bucs Fan @ Sh!tlist what it’s like to be a Two Faced Lying Cheating Fan?

  87. Francisco Guzman Says:

    I still have nightmares with this pass defense. Is it gonna get any better ? Is it scheme with Bowles?

  88. Joe in Michigan Says:

    Listnfrmafar Says:
    March 14th, 2022 at 5:40 pm
    Am I missing something? Wasn’t this secondary horrible? Bringing the same guys ba k doesn’t fix the problem.
    Yes, you’re missing a lot of things, common sense being in the top 10.

  89. BradyBucs Says:



    How dare you use statistics that prove how overrated Davis really is.

    Other Bucs fans like “Todd” and others will be very upset with you using data to crush their narratives that Davis is somehow good.

    I’ve been saying it for 2 years… Davis, SMB, and Dean are NOT great NFL players. Far from it. The “hype” around these guys has been the most ridiculous thing in the Bucs Franchise History.

    The whole “Gravediggers” thing is such a JOKE. No one wants to admit that the year we won the Super Bowl the Packers O-Line had some major injuries and so did the Chiefs O-Line. Injuries are certainly just part of the game, but those OL injuries helped our Pass Rush to get a lot of pressure (more than usual) which helped mask our weak secondary that rarely produces “coverage sacks” and is often burned even on 3rd and long.

    The Bucs better hope they can acquire or draft another corner this year that can step right in and contribute or there’s NO WAY we have a chance at another Super Bowl barring some sort of miracle drafting of a pass rushers that turns out to be one of the best in the league.

  90. VabucSINCE’97 Says:

    We’re so gonna regret paying him

  91. Francisco Guzman Says:

    When Davis came out of college many said he was press coverage corner yet how much zone did the bucs play? Seems like they’re in zone most of the time.

  92. Defense Rules Says:

    BradyBucs … Don’t go too far off the deep end with the stats thingie. I just happen to be a ‘bottom line’ type person. POINTS ALLOWED is the bottom line for any defense IMO (or any defensive player), as well as availability (I think that’s why I like Ndamukong Suh so much, and yes, why I appreciate Donovan Smith as much as I do).

    Carlton is very good in coverage by-and-large, he just gets burnt periodically. LOTS of other CBs do also BTW. Plus 80% availability doesn’t thrill me, because that means 20% of the time our very expensive starter is riding the bench while a very inexpensive backup is playing in his place.

    I do agree with your last para hoping that we ‘can acquire or draft another corner this year who can step right in and contribute’. That burned us in the ass last season big-time, and that was very short-sighted IMO.

  93. cmurda Says:

    Unlike several folks, CD24 was a big deal for me. The Brady news, then Jensen, now CD24. The only thing that would have have finished the joy off would be Marpet unretiring. Tommy has some time to work on him. If I’ve fallen asleep and all of this is a dream, DO NOT WAKE ME UP

  94. cmurda Says:

    Dying to know what I said to send me to moder. jail in my last post. You’ll see it eventually

  95. Adrnagy Says:

    We need a splash FA , C. Jones , v. Miller or S. Barkley something to put is over the top.

  96. Tom Sumner Says:


  97. Francisco Guzman Says:

    Is gronk coming back?

  98. Bucanero Says:

    Welcome back Carlton!

  99. Marine Buc Says:

    @ DR

    Dam you with your stinking facts, stats and analysis!!!


    I don’t think SMB or Dean have been matched up against the #1 receiver as much as CD – so some of the stats might be a little slanted…

    Like I said – still room for improvement. But the price fits the player – IMO.

  100. Defense Rules Says:

    Marine Buc … Agree totally that Carlton draws the #1 receiver much more often than SMB or Dean. So yes, apples-oranges comparison to a degree. I keep thinking that I’m just old-fashioned when it comes to what you pay folks. Certain positions (QB, WR, LT, CB) seem to be getting the lion’s share of salary CAP dollars on every team. QB I can see. The others? I struggle rationalizing how a CB is any more important than a MLB or DT or even a Safety. But hey, I’ll get over it.

  101. Drunkinybor Says:

    I am super pleased I was wrong on Carlton. I thought he would be a solid backup in the league. He is by far our best corner and we really really needed him back. Carlton puts in the work! He studies film! He prepares and plays the game the right way at least I’m my drunken opinion. I think his best years are ahead and he’s going to shine!! Go Bucs!!!!

  102. HomerSimpsonRocks Says:

    Now do Whitehead and get JuJu

  103. Marine Buc Says:

    @ DR

    Because it is a pass dominated league.

    #1 QB
    #2 WR1
    #3 CB1
    #4 Pass Rush 1
    #5 Blind side tackle

    Trust me – I’m not the biggest C. Davis fan. But after JC Jackson and Gilmore there isn’t anyone better on the FA market – JC is gone and Gilmore is past his prime and will probably still get @ $13-$14M per.

    I would rather roll the dice with CD – plus we get a bonus. He has been in this system for four seasons. Continuity is important IMO…

  104. Jmarkbuc Says:

    Meh.. I could take him or leave him. Too many receivers have run right by him.

    TB12 being back is incredible but we still have the same Defensive liabilities. As we saw last year.. in the playoffs you need a D that is at least serviceable, and not the keystone cops on the biggest play of the game.

  105. JimmyJack Says:

    Defense Rules if you want to look up stats on Davis one you have to look at is the yardages top elite WRs put up against him. He has done one hell of a job taking away great WR and why he is worth every penny.

    If we want to be a Championship team your going to have to play great WRs to get there. You better have a way to stop them. Bring back one player now that piece of the puzzle solved.

    Remember Julio Jones(1 of many examples) and what he used to do to us before Carlton? Thats why the Bucs brought him back.

  106. Marine Buc Says:

    @ DR

    Plus – this signing will allow us to focus on other positions of need besides CB.

    Like WR, RB, DL, TE, OG – Best player available.

  107. Francisco Guzman Says:

    Sign Akiem Hicks on the cheap. He was injured last year. To replace Suh.

  108. cmurda Says:

    @ D Rules. You will get over it and like it. Haha. You are an intelligent football fan that definitely knows his stuff which is why I’m a little surprised to hear you hating on the CB position. I’ll tell you this and this is just my humble opinion. I think it’s the 2nd most valuable and 2nd most important position on the entire football field. I value it highly which is why CD signing is really big to me. CD doesn’t get burned all that often. He’s far better than most people realize. I’m sofa king pumped.

  109. steele Says:

    I agree with DefenseRules. Davis is not a shutdown cornerback. He had flashes but gave up a lot of plays at critical moments, including THE moments that we all know about and will see over and over, forever.

    Bringing back THESE same guys is not good.

    That is why I am not thrilled with Davis coming back. There was a chance to upgrade a bad secondary by letting Davis go and replacing him with better. JC Jackson, Steph Gilmore, Patrick Petersen, etc. etc.

    I think they still need to go after secondary help, and pass rush. Badly.

  110. BradyBucs Says:

    This team still won’t be able to stop the Rams & Packers in the NFC. They probably can’t stop the Cowboys offense either – if they played multiple times we’d lose more than we’d win and it’s all because our Defense is WEAK.



    MORE BACK-BREAKER LOSSES ON THE WAY. When we need ‘stops’ our Defense will again not be able to to come up with them.

  111. Francisco Guzman Says:

    BradyBucs the packers? Just stop it man. The packers suck. Rams won’t be the same team they where last year. We shall see. You seem to forget that the bucs were missing their left tackle in that game. The OL wasn’t good in that game.

  112. Francisco Guzman Says:

    Correction they where missing their right tackle.

  113. Francisco Guzman Says:

    Missing godwin as well.

  114. steele Says:

    Charvarius Ward. Go get him. And/or Steph Gilmore.

  115. Francisco Guzman Says:

    Steele i got a better option haden on the cheap.

  116. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    Robert Woods is a 30 year old coming off an ACL injury in Week 11 playing a position that is one of the most demanding on the ACL.

    OBJ just tore the same ACL for a second time in February and just had surgery on it in late February. Because OBJ plays in one of the most demanding positions on the ACL, coupled with the fact that he’s a repeat injury, placing him in an extremely high risk category classification by his physicians, making it very likely that OBJ doesn’t play a down for anybody this season as he’s a FA.

    That leaves the Rams with Cupp and Jefferson.

    The Rams are also $20 million over the cap with 17 free agents to sign according to overthecap.

    The Rams only have a 3rd, a 5th and two 7th Round picks in this years draft.

    The Rams are in no position to add any offensive players that would scare a defense. Heck, they don’t have the money to pay any of their draft picks right now.

  117. steele Says:

    Joe Haden. Also a great option.

  118. Goatfarmer Says:

    Here we go again. The know it all bunch thinking they know more than Super Bowl winning coaching and management. Beautiful.

    News flash – every pass defense gets torched in the new NFL.

    Want bad pass defense? See Raheem Morris ==> Greg Schiano ==> Lovie Smith ==> Mike Smith.

    That was Vomitous. Historically awful.

    You complainers ain’t seen bad pass defense.

    But keep pretending you know more than Licht, Arians, Bowles. And Brady.

    Yeah, you guys should all get seats in One Buc Place. They could really use your insights.

  119. Jerry Says:

    Last season Bucs finished 3rd ranked in rushing defense and 21 in passing defense.

    The secondary had injuries and miscues all year. But the defensive front (while handling the run well) failed to generate a whole lot of pressure. The Bucs had only 23 sacks, LAST in the NFL with 680 pass attempts against the defense (most in the NFL). Considering how much money we have in the front 7, and how much we were blitzing, that’s totally unacceptable.

  120. geno711 Says:

    steele Says:
    March 14th, 2022 at 9:14 pm
    … replacing him with better… Patrick Petersen, etc. etc.

    Did not watch Peterson much these last few years but what I saw was a guy who was not better special anymore. He is just a 32 year old cornerback right now and not a guy that any team should be looking to make a starting cornerback.

    By the way, the Athletic had Davis as their 2nd rated CB and Peterson as their 10th rated CB. had Davis as their 4th top player this year as a free agent out of their top 101. Peterson was their 75th ranked player.

    If you are talking Gilmore and Peterson of 5 years ago, I am with you. They were better players. I just care about the next few seasons.

  121. cmurda Says:

    I like Haden too but I don’t know about on the cheap. Expect him to supplement also. He’s not better than Carlton. He’s still very good though. What is being missed here is that Dean and SMB are getting better. Combined with CD, corner is not a priority. Haden isn’t as cheap as you think. His contract with the Steelers was about 12 plus a year. That isn’t dirt cheap. Especially if some of you are crying about 15 for Carlton in his prime.

  122. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Suh is coming back.

  123. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Injuries cost us big in the secondary last season.

    While our secondary needs improvement, it is far better than we have have in the past decade.

  124. Defense Rules Says:

    Bonzai … ‘Injuries cost us big in the secondary last season. While our secondary needs improvement, it is far better than we have have in the past decade.’

    Agree totally with the first Bonzai, and THAT concerns me. Davis missed 7 games (on IR plus was questionable for 2 more with ankle issues). Dean missed 2 games (knee & illness, plus was questionable for 5 more multiple issues, including concussion). SMB missed 8 games (elbow, plus was questionable for 2 more). Sherman got into 5 games while here, but was hurt most of his time here.

    So guess who turned out to be our most available corner: yup, Ross Cockrell. Only CB to get into all 17 games. Mr Reliability. Followed by Dee Delaney who gave us 15 games at CB, but only got to start 2. Even Pierre Desir gave us 12 games & didn’t miss any (wasn’t with us the whole season). Those latter 3 CBs ended up STARTING 8 games on the outside. Not good IMO that for half our games on the season we couldn’t put 2 of our 3 primary CBs out on the field to START the game, much less finish the games.

    And BTW, comparing last season’s Secondary to what we fielded in the Decade of Doom was a low blow. You hurt their feelings.

  125. Listnfrmafar Says:

    Passing thru@ JC Jackson was second to Diggs with ints this year. Don’t you get ints if you’re doing your job in coverage? Jackson is a far better tackler. I think he signed a long term deal with Chargers which broke down to $16.5mm/yr. Wasted opportunity.

  126. D-Rome Says:

    This is huge!! $15 million a year for him is a steal!

    I remember when we all used to say $16 million for Darelle Revis was overpaid.

  127. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    @Defense Rules

    JPP’s play suffered last year.

    Davis’ play suffered last year.

    Because of that our defense suffered.

    When a person is hurt, such as JPP and Davis’ were last year, would you have been okay with them shutting down their play last year, getting surgery for JPP and allowing for Davis’ torn hamstring to completely heal?

    Your CB’s are your best athletes as they have to do everything a WR does, except doing it going backwards.

    Backpedaling on a torn hamstring is not a recipe for success against talented WR’s.

    Toradol helps, but it creates a bigger problem later.

    I guarantee you that Davis’ agent didn’t want him playing on a torn hamstring during a contract year.

    Davis and JPP were warriors for us last year.

    Having been there and done that, I appreciate their heart, fight and love for their teammates.

    Davis, JPP, the Bucs coaches and players knew that Davis’ and JPP’s play while injured was still better than their healthy backups play.

  128. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    For those comparing JC Jackson with Davis.

    JC Jackson picked off Rookie QB Zach Wilson 3 times this past season in the Pats 2 games against the Jets.

    JC Jackson picked off Sam Darnold 2 times this past season in the Pats game against the Panthers.

    JC Jackson picked off Matt Ryan 1 time this past season in the Pats game against the Falcons.

    JC Jackson picked off Ryan Tanehill 1 time this past season in the Pats game against the Titans.

    JC Jackson picked off Rookie QB Trevor Lawrence 1 time this past season in the Pats game against the Jags.

    Finally, the greatest defensive mind to ever coach football in my opinion in Bill Bellicheck didn’t think a young CB such as JC Jackson coming off his rookie contract and having a great statistical season the past two years was worth resigning.

    Bellicheck is also the GM and the Pats have about the same cap space as the Chargers per overthecap.

    Rookie QB contracts such as Herbert and Jones helps a team.

  129. Goatfarmer Says:

    Um…..Jerry…..better get some better eyesight correction, pal.

    Buccaneers had 47 sacks. They only gave up 23. So you need to dial back your criticism of the Bucs pass rush. Instead of being last, they were near the top.

  130. PassingThru Says:


    No, that isn’t necessarily true. I don’t know how much you’ve played this game, but I’ll use a basketball analog because it might help.

    Some centers and power forwards are insanely great at rebounding, but that sometimes comes at a cost. If a player is playing for the rebound, he may not be playing to guard the player. Since you’re from Boston, think of Fortson back a few years with the Celtics. Undersized but strong, he stank at guarding players but was great at positioning himself for the rebound and then boxing out after the shot. Too many fans thought he was a great defensive player because of the rebounds, but it was in fact the opposite. He was a below-average defender, at best.

    It’s also that way with blocked shots. If you overplay to block, you can take yourself out of rebounding position. Some players can do both, but many pivot players who are are good shot blockers never put up good rebound numbers.

    And that brings us back to football. If a DB overplays the interception, he might be leaving himself vulnerable to a completed pass. And there are many DBs who rarely make interceptions are playing strictly coverage and never playing the ball. It isn’t just bad hands, it’s from the DB playing the player and not the ball. Think Jack Tatum, he’d kill guys by timing a devastating hit the instant the ball seemingly touched the receivers fingers (poor Darryl Stingley).

    Stats can be very misleading. The advances made in sports analytics attempt to isolate these things, and it seems like a great application for AI, but to my knowledge, nothing has been captured that well yet in either sport. One of my friends attended the MIT conference for several years running and shared some of the goodies. If a team does find the right software, I’m sure they wouldn’t publish it anyway, hence the limitations of “to my knowledge”.

  131. Listnfrmafar Says:

    Passing thru, I played the game plenty. Go back to Defense Rules stats and Davis I’d the worst DB on the Bucs. Jackson at $16.5mm us far more of a steal than Davis. DumbBelle, Belichick is notorious for under paying every player. There were two DB’s that I can remember him paying, Revis and Gilmore and he wouldn’t pay Gilmore more than $14MM. I have had the pleasure of watching Davis and JC Jackson, Davis makes the occasional good play but Jackson is far more consistent and a far better tackler. Other than Winfield, the poster boy for perfect tackling technique, Bucs DB’s are horrible at tackling and coverage for that matter.

  132. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    Hey everybody, @Sh!tlist knows football better than Bellicheck.

    Just when I thought you couldn’t get any dumber, you go out and prove me wrong.

    Bill Bellichick has written and talked about his defensive philosophy numerous times.

    He basis it on Sun Tzu’s philosophy of preparation and attack.

    He believes in taking away the middle of the field. He doesn’t put that much emphasis on a CB position in his defense.

    He views a CB’s production in his defense as a byproduct of the attack that he brings to the center of the other team’s offense.

    Because of that, Bellichik views the CB position as a lesser piece on his chess board.

    Also, picking of Darnold, Wilson, Lawrence like CJ Jackson did for 75% of his interceptions last year isn’t the greatest thing ever.

    I know you hate watching YouTube @Sh!tlist, so pick up O’Connor’s biography on Bellichick. It’s awesome.

  133. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    You’re a joke @Sh!tlist

    Aaron Jones and his ribs that were broken by Whitehead’s tackle in the 2020 NFC Championship Game that resulted in a fumble disagree with you.

    Whitehead is a Buc’s DB who is feared and respected across the NFL.