Bruce Arians Says Too Much “Finesse” From Joe Tryon-Shoyinka

January 4th, 2022

The growing pains continue for the Bucs’ first-round draft pick.

Despite a load of snaps the past two games, Joe Tryon-Shoyinka has been rather quiet.

It could be a rookie wall, but Bucco Bruce Arians wasn’t going there Tuesday on his official team radio show. The head coach said Tryon-Shoyinka was getting a little too cute against the Jets on Sunday.

“He needs to use his power more, “Arians said of the rookie edge rusher. “He was trying to do too finesse, but he made a great stop on that quarterback sneak at the end [of the Jets game].”

It seems it was a case of Tryon-Shoyinka using too many pass rush moves without an appropriate plan.

“You always start with speed to power. Bull rush him. Knock him back. Then you start using your toolbox,” Arians said.

After that chatter from Arians, Joe is especially eager to see how the rookie responds against the Panthers’ poor offensive line, one that Tryon-Shoyinka did nothing against just two weeks ago.

Joe will be looking to see if that ferocious power — the stuff Bucs fans saw earlier in the season — shows up in a hurry Sunday at The Licht House.

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29 Responses to “Bruce Arians Says Too Much “Finesse” From Joe Tryon-Shoyinka”

  1. Swampbuc Says:

    Headless chicken running around fast, going nowhere.

    After a season of coaching, he’s not looking like a starter.

    Man are the Bucs beaten up. No Shaq, no JPP, no LVD, a partial Devin White, the secondary with a bunch of scars, Lenny and Rojo and now KC all hurt, Godwin out, Evans nicked up — the infirmery brigade.

    Too bad.

  2. David Says:

    He seems tentative at times. I think it’s because he is still learning the defense and knowing his assignments because it’s not always just rushing the QB.
    He will definitely develop into a full-time starter though. The problem is they need him this postseason and he’s not there

  3. AMI_Chris Says:

    Oh no…shades of Gaines Adams?

  4. Coburn Says:

    What pass rush moves is he talking about? Don’t think I’ve seen him use any. Does he have power? I feel like if he can’t get around the guy that once the hands are on him he just sorta stand up straight.. I’ve seen him with arms outstretched just pushing his guy

  5. Coburn Says:

    Also is it just me or does he not seen to do that bend where he leans into that one shoulder and goes around? He plays very upright at times

  6. BigPoppaBuc Says:

    He’ll be fine. I like the guy. My biggest worry was his year off and what that might mean about his passion, but that’s not the case. He plays hard for the most part he’s just super green. The physical tools are their if he wants to be he could be really good.

  7. Bucs&Bolts Says:

    He has the tools he just needs to put it together probably next year.

  8. steele Says:

    In addition to being green, he’s never had the techniques, nor massive power. He’s serviceable, but a great pass rusher? I’m skeptical that he’s going to be special. Especially with JPP winding down, they need to add pass rush to the off season needs list.

  9. Rod Munch Says:

    He’s a rookie who hadn’t played football since 2019, he’ll figure it out in time. He’s shown plenty of promise and looks like he will be a good player in time, perhaps as soon as next year. But young pass rushers rarely do much in year 1, (yes, there are exceptions).

  10. SB Says:

    ^^^ This^^^

  11. richbucsfan Says:

    He does a lot of preening. Hope he gets violent and soon

  12. Bucsfanman Says:

    I agree with all of what BA said. In addition, I’d prefer to see less of him in pass coverage. Let him concentrate on rushing the passer.

  13. rrsrq Says:

    The last Panthers game, Bowles had JTS at middle LB, rarely on the edge

  14. Joe in Michigan Says:

    Swampbuc Says:
    January 4th, 2022 at 11:35 pm
    Headless chicken running around fast, going nowhere.

    After a season of coaching, he’s not looking like a starter.

    Man are the Bucs beaten up. No Shaq, no JPP, no LVD, a partial Devin White, the secondary with a bunch of scars, Lenny and Rojo and now KC all hurt, Godwin out, Evans nicked up — the infirmery brigade.

    Too bad.
    Mrs. Positive,

    This kid will be alright. Also, the Bucs DIDN’T GO 6-11. Hahahaha

  15. HC Grover Says:

    Finesse is all he has. He has no brutal power. W/o finesse he is a powder puff.

  16. Mort Says:

    It’s about time he’s getting reps. Can’t get better if he isn’t getting any playing time. I’m glad they’ll have a few games to work with him full time before the playoffs.

  17. Biff Barker Says:

    I don’t see him coming off blocks at all. No strength, no push. He’s real fast but doesn’t get people on the ground. The Bucs knowingly drafted a real project. Hopefully he’ll grow into a serviceable starter.

  18. Listnfrmafar Says:

    I’ll say, ge was dancing around tackles all game. Sorry Bucs fans, I think we’re expecting too much from this guy. He’s still a rookie.

  19. doolnutts Says:

    I thought this earlier this season as well when he would sub in. He is regularly disrup[ting the QB but misses the sack or runs himself out of the play. In a weird way he is almost TOO fast. He needs to figure out how to control his raw speed and make sure he is keeping his eyes on the ball. Once he gets it all together I still think he will be dangerous.

  20. jugheadfla Says:

    Just tell him to put on some tape of Micah Parsons from this year and follow his lead

  21. It’s the Buc’n Truth Says:

    I watched him every snap he thinks pass rush & really doesn’t even consider stopping the run. I don’t think u guys really understand how critical JPP is against the run … look at JPP Super Bowl film with the Giants you are not running on his side of the ball.

  22. Wild Bill Says:

    With his speed and size it might be interesting to groom him at linebacker alongside White. He already shows great lateral speed in the open field. Long wingspan for pass defense in the middle. Next preseason give him preseason practice subbing for David or White. His lateral speed chasing down running backs would be great. Pass defense? Who knows.

  23. PhillyBuc Says:

    Needs to spend more time in the weight room and working on his coaches direction and less time working on his uniform for the game.

  24. Crunchbuc Says:

    Said it in the very beginning. BUST. He can’t bullrush. He’s too small. He can’t finesse. He’s got no focus. Looks like an idiot out there. Soon as the lineman gets hands on him it’s over. Waste of a first round pick.

  25. Buc4evr Says:

    Can’t use his hands, can’t bull rush and doesn’t ever own the edge. He is not going to ever play like a true DE. Maybe it’s time to play more 4-3 for the playoffs?

  26. GiveHimaBreak Says:

    Y’all are really not seeing the big picture with JTS, He’s a fast paced player meaning finesse and athleticism are the key traits to his attack of the O Lineman, Sure his sack numbers aren’t there but every game, I watch he gets passed the O lineman and creates pressure. QB pressures are better then sacks in certain situations for example just like Brady doesn’t like pressure or he begins to falter. What JTS does from a pressure perspective is truly brilliant for a young man who plays on a phenomenal defense. To conclude JTS can blossom into the star we all want him to be but if you keep short selling him because your a sackaholic and only care about sacks then you’ll never truly admire the kid and what he’s capable of.

  27. PassingThru Says:

    JTS is an unfinished product. Right now he’s more athlete than football player. Hopefully that will change next season.

  28. Joe in Michigan Says:

    JPP in his rookie year: 4.5 sacks, 30 tackles
    JTS in his rookie year: 4 sacks, 26 tackles (so far)

  29. SlyPirate Says:

    It’s called a “learning curve”.

    He’s thinking about snap counts, gap assignments, pass rush, initial move, counter move, don’t hit the QB low/late/head, etc. It’s a ton to process.

    It’ll become a lot easier, and he’ll get a lot better with time.