Bruce Arians Dropping Hint About Joe Tryon-Shoyinka’s Snap Counts?
November 2nd, 2021
Playing time.
Snaps counts was a topic yesterday when Bucs Super Bowl-winning coach Bucco Bruce Arians spoke. And it was about rookie Joe Tryon-Shoyinka.
Before Joe gets rolling, let it be clear Joe thinks that veteran outside linebacker Jason Pierre-Paul is a total warrior. Every player should have his heart.
JPP is not 100 percent. He rarely practices because Arians is trying to get JPP to Sundays so he can play. JPP has two broken fingers on one hand and a torn rotator cuff. Ouch!
So it seemed a bit strange Sunday when the Bucs’ No. 1 draft pick, Tryon-Shoyinka, who has promise and certainly a quick burst off the line, barely saw the field against the slimy Saints.
Would JPP — who played well — had been even better with his snap counts regulated a little and JTS on the field more? Arians didn’t have much push back with this notion yesterday.
“Yeah, ‘JPP’ was playing so [well] and the package wasn’t as big for Joe this week,” Arians said. “It’s just a matter of how much we can get him in. I would like to see him play more.”
The only thing odd about Arians remarks is that backup Anthony Nelson, who simply isn’t much of a pass rusher at all, had two more snaps (10) than JTS (8).
Earlier in the year, Bucs defensive coordinator Todd Bowles found a way to get Shaq Barrett, JPP and JTS all on the field at the same time. Joe hopes to see more of that.
November 2nd, 2021 at 12:04 am
If fans can see Mighty Joe Tryon should play more, why can’t NFL coaches? Let’s wait till we lose another game that we should win Bruce…..before you do anything. And tell your poorly coached players to stop being the most penalized team in the NFL 3 years straight now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@
November 2nd, 2021 at 12:21 am
8 snaps though? I’m sorry jpp isn’t playing out of this world where you can’t let your first round pick who is faster more athletic and stronger than all of our pass rushers play more snaps. They are giving up contain anyway if that was the knock which the coaches keep mentioning. 10 snaps for nelson and 8 for JTS? Wow just wow.
November 2nd, 2021 at 12:37 am
I only noticed Tryon on one play, when he came up the middle and Winston ran outside and got a 1st down. Not saying Tryon did anything wrong on the play, it’s just the only play I noticed him. With his very limited snaps, now I know why I only remember seeing him once.
November 2nd, 2021 at 12:42 am
I remember that play too munch, I remember thinking well he could have ran more sideline to sideline to cit off the angle a bit more maybe. Yeah figured he wasn’t out there much
November 2nd, 2021 at 12:58 am
I am kinda with Rod on this one.
JTS wasn’t played enough. That is just a microcosm of the D though. I have MANY questions towards Bowles and Lefty!!
Tom Brady proved human for the first time in a while. I hope that is a fluke rather than a trend.
November 2nd, 2021 at 1:02 am
There was bad play calling all over the field on Halloween. Nelson is more of a run stopper and Kamara hasn’t been great running against the Bucs. Everyone has to drop back and help out in the backfield right now and JPP get PD with that huge cast every week. The scheme of the defense will change when starters begin to return because they can be put in the proper position. It’s hard to beat out a FHOF and team captain that still has it (minus the finger lol), but JTS is mad fast and long and that can rattle the shorter third string QB.
November 2nd, 2021 at 1:05 am
I think Bruce has a pattern of pushing back against anyone trying to tell home what to do. The fans want to see JTS with more snaps, Bruce will stubbornly give him less. Am I the only one who has noticed this pattern?
November 2nd, 2021 at 2:09 am
I saw Tryon several times but he didn’t make a target too often. But Darden? Why does no one mention him? He looked like he was playing with roller skates on his feet…
November 2nd, 2021 at 2:20 am
lol darden did look like a hot little mess in a roller rink out there…it was crazy…
joe sho needs to be out there more…
forget anthony nelson, he never even became the next carl nassib…
let joe sho get mad reps…
the time is now…
i don’t see a reason anthony nelson will even be on the squad next season…they’ll replace him with a guy that has a supposed “upside”…nelson is who he is already
November 2nd, 2021 at 2:26 am
the truth is the defense needs one more good pass rusher, one more linebacker and one more good defensive back…
in a perfect world
November 2nd, 2021 at 5:42 am
Captain Dan Lawrence,
I agree, I’ve also noticed that BA will push back when the fans present legitimate concerns. He don’t like to be challenged. It’s obvious that JTS should get more snaps and Nelson less. Why do we continue to hang on to players with a “what have I done for you lately” disposition, i.e., Anthony Nelson, OJ Howard, and Justin Watson. Can someone please tell me what’s up with Jaelon “Clumpsy” Darden. He’s hesitant, timid, and seems to run scared. He’s gotta step it up without the slipping and falling before contact.
Adam from NY, I agree we need one more good pass rusher, linebacker, and DB. The Rams picking up Von Miller is an example of win now and go for the juggernaut.
November 2nd, 2021 at 6:36 am
Our coaching team is suspect. They are too afraid to hurt the feeling of veterans. Tryon should see more snaps.
November 2nd, 2021 at 6:39 am
Hope team gets a safely today.
November 2nd, 2021 at 6:42 am
There have to be aspects of JTS’s play they aren’t happy with–staying in his lane, etc
November 2nd, 2021 at 7:12 am
And tell your poorly coached players to stop being the most penalized team in the NFL 3 years straight now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@
Medicated Pete…..finally reveals himself to be the Realist…..
November 2nd, 2021 at 7:25 am
why the hell does Arians need to use the press to act as a go between? between him and other coaches? I would think he could muster up enough courage to ask Todd Bowles if it would please be ok for Joe Tryon Shoyinka to get some additional snaps! Arian’s medication needs to be adjusted–he is over sedated. He allowed every penalty to happen and never pulled even one of these fools aside to read them the riot act. Devin White singlehandedly lost this game for us and Arians had nothing to say to this kid on the sideline. Gholston, JPP all got penalized and more and yet no one says a damn thing to them. The defense is losing this season and it has nothing to do with the depleted secondary!
November 2nd, 2021 at 7:59 am
Snap counts is a huge consideration (and concern) for our defense IMO. In our ‘average’ game this season, the Bucs’ defense is on the field for 62 plays; Sunday they were on the field for 76 plays. Some guys rarely come off the field; Bucs don’t rotate personnel nearly as much as most NFL teams seem to.
Coaches with the first name Sean (Payton & McVay) appear to structure their attack to take full advantage of that. Their attack nicely mixes rushes & passes to not only keep our defense off-balance, but also to wear them out by later in the game. Rams ran it 24 times (38% run-pass ratio) & Saints ran it 32 times (44% run-pass ratio), and kept our defense honest for sure. Both games were extremely physical, and those were our only 2 losses. I’m convinced that it impacted our defense’s stamina in the 2nd half (Saints scored 3 times in the 2nd half plus the Pick-6 … 1 TD & 2 FGs … and all 3 were long drives of 10-8-12 plays).
Stafford didn’t scramble (well, twice for minus 2 yds), but Winston did (4 times for 40 yds & 4 first downs). Obviously that was very costly to us, but much more-so to the Saints. Noticed this morning that Jameis will most likely be lost for the season due to an ACL. Hate to see any player get hurt, but QBs who scramble like that without sliding at the end to avoid the hit are taking their chances. Sooner or later it seems to catch up with them.
November 2nd, 2021 at 8:06 am
I keep scratching my head at the rotation, or lack of. Then, on one of JTS’ 8 plays, he’s in coverage. A rookie in coverage?!
We need a healthy-ish JPP for the late season playoff run. I would be a little more liberal with doling out additional snaps to the rookie in the meantime.
November 2nd, 2021 at 8:16 am
SOME OF YOU FANS make me laugh, calling for JTS and the moment he is in the wrong place at wrong time you all will be here asking why he is playing already or to get rid of him..
This was saints we played and sean peyton will attack JTS weakness as rookie if given the chance. Let kid develop he is going to be a good one , JPP was also playing good game. I would only question why nelson was in ?
November 2nd, 2021 at 8:26 am
8 snaps for Joe? Record penalties 3 years running? C’mon, Bruce, take some responsibility for the sloppy coaching going on!
November 2nd, 2021 at 8:28 am
Tryon had 8, Nelson, who doesn’t even belong in the NFL had 10, and the useless wounded warrior had a whopping 68 snaps!! Mike Edwards our ballhawk only had 8 snaps while the colone kid, and Cockrell got worked by a third stringer all day. I don’t care that Edwards is listed as a safety, he has to be able to play corner better than the Lowes workers we got back there now. Bucfanman is right why have Tryon in coverage? This kid should be stopping the run on the way to the QB, that’s all he should do. He can do it better than JPP, and Nelson. He should be getting 30 snaps, not 8. At this point he should be splitting reps with JPP, and Nelson should be demoted, he adds nothing. No pass rush, and loses contain what good is he? Give someone else a shot.
November 2nd, 2021 at 8:32 am
Agree more Edwards less Cockrell. ABC Anyone but Cockrell.
November 2nd, 2021 at 8:34 am
Thee deeper the pass the more steps a receiver has on Cockrell.
November 2nd, 2021 at 9:06 am
Guys he didn’t play much because when he.was in he did nothing. They had him running aimlessly around the field. One play Paton saw JT in a zone and ran Harris right at.him, easy first down. Need to rest JPP for later in the year. It appears White never leaves the field. Scary good talent but scary bad coaching.
November 2nd, 2021 at 10:08 am
Listnfrmafar … White isn’t the only one who never leaves the field (or who get high snap counts). Bucs had TEN defenders who played more than 75% of the game (White 100%; LVD 100%; Dean 100%; Winfield 99%; Desir 99%; JPP 89%; Shaq 87%; Whitehead 86%; Vea 80%, Suh 78%). Gholston (55%) & RNR (53%) rotated in quite a bit; we must’ve been going heavy front end to get Vea, Suh, Gholston & RNR on the field that much. My guess is that we were REALLY focusing on stopping the run (makes sense), but still the Saints racked up 153 rushing yards. Impressive.
One thing I noticed on penalties BTW is that Devin had THREE big penalties, with the horse-collar on Jameis being the first (that obviously cost us 15 yds, but after that he also had a roughing the passer for 12 yds then a unnecessary roughness call for 15 yds). Kinda looks like he drew the attention of the refs after that first penalty.
November 2nd, 2021 at 10:35 am
One play I would like to forget is when Kamara ran around the left side of our defense Unmolested, for an easy Touchdown.
The New Orleans blocker made LaVonte David his beotch.
It made me wonder if Kamara would have gotten outside on Joe Sho.
November 2nd, 2021 at 10:44 am
Arians panders to the vets too much. You play to win the game regardless of the name on the back of the jersey. Gronk had no biz playing Sunday and got hurt again. I like JPP a lot but he looks tired and has too many upper body injuries to be playing 80%+ of the snaps. He needs to be at 50% or less maybe 3rd down only (when he is most effective) until healthy. JTS needs some reps to have an impact. The kid has freshest legs on the field and its not close.
November 2nd, 2021 at 2:36 pm
You the coaches have to pull the players to the side when they mess up and let them hear it. Change your name from uncle Bruce and get loose.. like another fan said why do we even have some players on the team?? And also when Brady fumbled he just sat there and looked at the ball right in front of him, he definitely could of jumped on it. I think he got scared he was gonna get blaster…..
November 2nd, 2021 at 3:49 pm
One thing that Arians is doing different here that he did not do when he was at Arizona is delegating more. He is relying on his staff more for certain decisions. He doing less micromanaging as a head coach than he did before.
I am sure he is limited by his health and his age to some degree. He surely has an agreement with his lovely wife which allowed him to come out of his short retirement after all.
I’m also confident he has no need to communicate with his staff via the media intermediary. He does use it to say a few things to players from time to time.