Surprising Joe Tryon-Shoyinka Numbers

October 23rd, 2021

Intriguing stat.

Now Joe is a huge Jason Pierre-Paul guy. Joe just loves his passion, determination and focus. He is what every NFL player should be.

But is he the best pass rusher on the Bucs’ roster? Or even Shaq Barrett?

Joe will pretend here to be a stat geek. So walking away from the Dungeons and Dragons table over to the Macbook, Joe logs off a Pro Football Focus account and prints freshly downloaded stat sheets. Joe — and whatever dude is looking over his shoulder — can see that neither JPP nor Shaq leads the Bucs in quarterback hurries.

Who does? Well, it’s a tie between Devin White and Joe Tryon-Shoyinka.

JTS is also tied with Shaq and Will Gholston in quarterback knockdowns with three each. White (5) and Ndamukong Suh (4) have the most knockdowns.

What jumps out at Joe is that White is not specifically a pass rusher like JTS is, and White has played every snap this season. JTS has played in 46 percent of the defensive snaps.

This tells Joe two things: The first is the Bucs need to get JTS on the field more on passing downs. Also, as Bucs Super Bowl-winning coach Bucco Bruce Arians said yesterday, JTS allows the Bucs to ease JPP back onto the field tomorrow as he tries to battle back from a shoulder and hand injury.

That’s if JPP is active. He didn’t practice all week but it sounded like a real possiblity from Arians yesterday.

24 Responses to “Surprising Joe Tryon-Shoyinka Numbers”

  1. Medicated Pete Says:

    My eyeballs were bulging from their sockets when i saw how much more explosive JTS was than JPP says Pete

  2. Marine Buc Says:

    I have been a huge JPP fan since he was playing at USF. I am pretty happy with his body of work here in Tampa. However – I would like to see him take a pay cut and accept more of a backup role next year.

    He can still play at a high level for 20-30 plays a game but when his pitch count gets high he takes too many plays off…

    Watch his game film – especially late in games. If there is a run play to the other side he doesn’t run after the play. He just jogs or just stays were he is at.

    It’s time to pass the torch.

  3. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    If JPP suits up…..try taking him out of the game….

  4. SOEbuc Says:

    QB knock down is a stupid stat. Sounds like better chance to get some BS roughing.

  5. Mike C Says:

    The stat is just fine SOE , as long as they don’t get said penalty.

  6. Coburn Says:

    Agreed Mike, it means they are hitting him as he’s releasing the ball. I encourage that. Annoys me when they sort of just grab onto them and don’t take the chance to make the feel it. Affects a qb processimg, but I get being careful for a penalty

  7. SOEbuc Says:

    Just call it pressure. It’s not a sack.

  8. ModHairKen Says:

    SOE is right. It is a stupid stat. No one seriously considers it.

  9. godlovesbucs Says:

    It is all on the same line as qb hurries and qb pressures. Anything that can disrupt the qb is good. When passing from a clean pocket they will make less mistakes. When they are pressured into a throw, they have a higher chance at being off target, causing an incompletion or interception. Hits remind a qb they are coming for him. As long as they aren’t late, causing a flag, it is a good thing for the d.

  10. Mike C Says:

    So Tom Brady gets knocked down 15 times in a game and you won’t notice or care? Thought so.

  11. Stu Says:

    No Akiem Hicks for Bears per NFL trade rumors…

  12. DoooshLaRue Says:

    Spot on evaluation Marine Buc and I’m a huge JPP fan.

  13. The Beer Whisperer Says:

    Joe Tryon & JPP, remind me of the story of the young bull, and the old bull, standing on the hill looking down at all the cows.

  14. The Beer Whisperer Says:

    I’ll make a very bold prediction : Bucs win

  15. JGhotier Says:

    I’m w/ Joe completely on almost everything said, stated and surmised here

  16. JGhotier Says:

    This is partly why, barring a pay cut, that JPP is not at the top of the list to bring back next year re: players w/ higher salaries and contracts that expire at the end of this year. If we have to let some premier higher salaries players go next year due to salary cap, JPP could be on that list (again, barring a big time pay reduction)…or af least not at the top of the list to of players to bring back.

    Out of guys in this category like JPP, Jensen, Suh and Godwin; I believe Jensen and Godwin are higher priorities in the off-season. Then JPP and Suh after that.

    And that’s not even talking about or considering guys making lower salaries this year, but could garner much bigger paydays next year at their current rate of play like Everyday Lenny (although I know BA, if still here, typically and philosophically will not overpay or pay big $ to RB’s in general)
    and sting like AB….

  17. Pryda...Sec147 Says:

    This guy needs more time on the field!

  18. Defense Rules Says:

    SOEbuc … Have to agree about QB knockdowns, but more from the aspect that it’s an unnecessary stat.

    QB Pressures are defined as Sacks + Hurries + Knockdowns (apparently a half sack counts as a full pressure). The difference between a Hurry and a Knockdown in terms of impact on the play would seem insignificant (the pass itself may end up being complete or incomplete in either case).

    And to me that’s the bottom line: impact on the play. If a sack, there is no pass obviously. If a hurry, there’s a pass but that hurry stat doesn’t track its’ outcome. Same thing for a knockdown, so why keep track of it separately? Just use Sacks & Hurries.

  19. firethecannons Says:

    Very interesting article Joe! It proves that we must find a way to get Tryon on the filed for 85% snaps at least, he is making a difference!

  20. JimbobBucsFan Says:

    In some ways JPP may be called a “freak of nature” (fingers blown off and auto accident) similar to TB (aged 44 and top NFL QB). Maybe JTs being 22 and JPP being 32 might matter after all.

    Tryon may be exceeding expectations as Wirfs did last year. Hooray for us!

  21. BA4President Says:

    Physically, JPP and JTS are two different dudes. I think they have different strengths, both of which are helpful to a d-coordinator.

  22. Merlin Says:

    I have no stats to back it up but my guess is knocked Downs resulting more interceptions than basic pressures

  23. Eddie Marz Says:

    Glad he’s on our team. GO BUCS!

  24. Infomeplease Says:

    I’m looking forward to a large dose of JTS this afternoon!!! Rookie meet Rookie… Let the best man win!!! GO BUCS!!!!!!