Former GM Questions Bucs
March 11th, 2021
Confused.
Unlike Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht, BSPN talking head and former general manager of the Jets and Dolphins Mike Tannenbaum has never won a Super Bowl as an NFL shot-caller.
That doesn’t mean Tannenbaum sees eye-to-eye with everything Licht does. Take the franchise tag, for example. Tannenbaum believes it may be a fatal move for the Bucs and Licht to have not used it on Bucs sack king Shaq Barrett.
Instead, Chris Godwin got the tag. This is what Tannenbaum typed for his site The33rdTeam.com.
Which player that wasn’t tagged should have been?
Shaq Barrett, DE, Buccaneers: They don’t win the Super Bowl without him. I love Chris Godwin, the player they chose to tag instead, but it’s easier to find a receiver than a pass rusher. Barrett is a perfect fit for Todd Bowles’ scheme.
Joe thinks there is a mix of reasons for the Bucs’ decision, but none of them add up. Trying to spin this as a positive today — which is a helluva stretch — Joe is brainwashing himself into thinking Licht and Shaq are quite close on contract terms and Licht and Godwin were not. Hence, Godwin got tagged and Shaq did not.
And don’t underestimate the influence of Bucs Super Bowl-winning coach Bucco Bruce Arians here. Arians loves Godwin.
(Graphic courtesy of Outside Leverage.)
March 11th, 2021 at 4:07 pm
We can sign Shaq to a huyyyyuuuge signing bonus and lower yearly amounts. We’re gonna have to sign Carlton and vea next year….
March 11th, 2021 at 4:16 pm
CG got it for he long run, in that he will be needed with a new QB…..SB didn’t because of “break the bank”, oily drew, and mediocre play short of the playoffs/SB.
CG earned it all year/SB show’s up on payday.
March 11th, 2021 at 4:17 pm
I suspect we will not know all of the details…..we will know what Shaq eventually signs for……
It seems to me that the $16.4 million dollar tag price for Godwin should have been very close to his first year salary on a long term deal.
Keep in mind that Shaq would have gotten a 20% increase over his $15,828 contract bringing him to $18.993……
I predict that Godwin & Bucs will eventually work out a long term contract….
I’ve always thought they couldn’t keep both because of the big money involved.
March 11th, 2021 at 4:18 pm
Formergmwhoneverwonchit says WHAT?
March 11th, 2021 at 4:23 pm
My only thought is that Shaq is so expensive, that FAILING to sign him will allow the Bucs to sign ALL 7 of the remaining 8 FAs.
March 11th, 2021 at 4:24 pm
If that’s the case why don’t all teams have a # 1 , # 2 wr. like Bucs ? In today’s game .. it’s about scoring pts. TD. Yards … offense.
Barrett’s sack total fell in 2020,(8) annual PFF grade, 74.0 in six NFL season. despite increased play. 2020 pff grade 70.7.
Not worth $20M yr.
licht and company have my respect now. Not targeting shaq as a #1 priority says he knows his football/business.
March 11th, 2021 at 4:25 pm
They tagged Godwin for intangible reasons that go beyond the number of quality receivers they have. He is a team player, a good person, gives his all, non-diva, talented, good blocker. It was the team’s way of saying “This is the type of guy we want on this team.”
March 11th, 2021 at 4:30 pm
Mike Christmastree was terrible as a GM
March 11th, 2021 at 4:34 pm
Agree with bt and Robert. Its possible Shaq is just asking way too much or they hope to baxkload it if they do resign him. With Godwin we know Arians loves him, Brady loves him, it’s a good message to take care of homegrown guys who have a good attitude.. if Evans gets dinged up and starts to slow down it would look stupid to let him go. When you nail a 3rd round pick you don’t let him walk usually. I get you could also day you don’t let a guy like Shaq walk as well though and he will be hard to replace if he does
March 11th, 2021 at 4:34 pm
He should really shut up, there’s a reason he can only talk about a job he wasn’t good at. The salary cap went down and I think the tag price is higher for pass rusher than receiver and if they are in negotiations then what he is saying shows you why he can’t be a real gm.
March 11th, 2021 at 4:37 pm
I am going to trust the best GM in the NFL knows what he is doing.
March 11th, 2021 at 4:37 pm
Maybe the plan is to break the bank for Shaq and trade Godwin while tagged? That way you get assets for losing a player who you have a similar type player already on the team (Tyler Johnson), then you sign AB to another cheap year deal.
March 11th, 2021 at 4:40 pm
My money is on Shaq telling the Bucs that he wouldn’t sign the Franchise Tag so don’t bother.
March 11th, 2021 at 4:42 pm
That guy never won the big one. And he has no clue what is being or was discussed with shaq behind the scenes. So shut up. I know he is supposed to give his opinion but he should tread lightly Licht has a ring and you dont.
Going for 2. They had to tag godwin for another year. Another ring.
They cannot give godwin long term deal at numbers Godwin probably wants.
Then they would be paying 2 receivers (mike evans) top dollar
Mike still has 3 years on deal and a ton of dead cap.
March 11th, 2021 at 4:43 pm
I agree with Tannebaum. Bucs must be close on an extension for Shaq
March 11th, 2021 at 4:45 pm
Joe
Are you saying Arians told Licht that if he had to choose it would be Godwin over Barrett?
That would be a brain fart.
March 11th, 2021 at 4:47 pm
They didn’t franchise Shaq for the simple reason that the last time they did that his performance dropped significantly due to his dissatisfaction about being franchised. Perhaps the Bucs see what I see that he is a product of an excellent coaching regime and could gain the same production from a rookie.
See ya Shaq.
March 11th, 2021 at 4:47 pm
Joe you guys ever think maybe they promised shaq the wouldn’t tag him?
March 11th, 2021 at 4:47 pm
What T12 wants he gets. I agree that Shaq’s a bit overrated and I believe we’ll be able to replace him, while keeping other priorities Suh, kicker, pass-catching RB, and a return man who doesn’t commit felonies.
March 11th, 2021 at 4:52 pm
It ain’t over ’til the fat paycheck sings.
I have no idea where Shaq will sign, he might even stay after kicking the tires elsewhere. He should have the time of his life, he’s finally looking at a deal that should set him for life, and he’s finally in a position to get courted. I’m sure Licht has given him an offer, it’s up to Shaq to decide how he values the tradeoffs.
On a pure talent basis, I’d say Godwin is the more rare talent in terms of the total package. Just equating a player’s worth by position is sort of inept. Besides, Brady heavily targets his slot receivers.
March 11th, 2021 at 4:53 pm
Isn’t it refreshing to be debating over great players?
In the past…..it was….”What do we do with ASJ”?……..VH3, Josh Freeman, Jameis…..
Other teams wanting our guys…..finally!!!
March 11th, 2021 at 4:54 pm
I think they are going to let Shaq walk and find a cheaper replacement either through FA or the draft
March 11th, 2021 at 4:57 pm
how many game did we win cause of ShB?? …well $20 mil per year for multiple years is e VERY high price tag. That mean that h is going to effect the salary cap for multiple years. As of 2021 $20 mil per year is 11% of salary cap for 1 player…that is too much. CG 16.5 mil is too much. To win SB you need multiple good players, not 2-3 very good ones, and the rest crap/or below average.
I see that JL understand that, and this is very good thing…
March 11th, 2021 at 5:05 pm
You’re short sighted of you can’t see why the Bucs didn’t tag Shaq. He wasn’t happy about playing under it last year, he doesn’t want it now. Guaranteed Drew Rosenhaus told the Bucs don’t you tag him unless you want him sitting out or playing somewhere else next year. Shaq wants to get paid, you don’t mess around with great players…pay the man.
March 11th, 2021 at 5:07 pm
yes TBBF…yes it is
March 11th, 2021 at 5:08 pm
Your fishing for people who agree with you that Shaq should’ve been the top FA priority. I used to wonder why people always had a bone to pick with the site. Getting so frustrated that people have other opinions about what’s important for the team, when clearly BA and JL have agreed with some of the other posters on your site that Shaq was not the first priority, but you know better than them right? Lol
March 11th, 2021 at 5:10 pm
If Shaq signs elsewhere for 19-20 million per year I am gonna be pi$$ed. Much more than that and I can’t blame Licht for passing.
March 11th, 2021 at 5:11 pm
I think Shaq told the Bucs he would refuse to play if tagged. He wasn’t happy about it last year.
March 11th, 2021 at 5:25 pm
Got a suspicion we’ve seen the last of Shaq Barrett as a Buccaneer. Fully expect Suh to be back though, and most likely RNR as well as Minter. Wouldn’t be at all surprised to see us grab 2 DT/DE/OLBs in the next couple of weeks, as well as draft another with 1 of our Top-3 picks this year.
March 11th, 2021 at 5:31 pm
Could it be the Bucs promised to not tag him again this year to keep him happy. Maybe they made Godwin the same promise. I have no idea. But, I’m not panicking yet. Having the opportunity to play for a true contender, has a huge upside. Patience my friends. There’s still time.
March 11th, 2021 at 5:33 pm
Shaq led the league in total pressures (77) according to PFF. While sacks are what matter most, they don’t tell the whole story if it forces qb to throw quicker before wants to causing incompletion or int.. or cause the qb to scramble and get sacked by someone else.
Personally I love godwin but it’s a question of scarcity and drop off to the replacement. Fact is we can plug in AB, Scotty miller and Tyler johnson as the #2-4 receivers fine and add a cheaper free agent at a good value with all the cap casualties due to unprecedented drop in total team cap.
Who is going to replace shaq? Have seen Brady take a team with reche Caldwell as the best receiver to the brink of a championship in 2006 and that was to Peyton Manning after being up 21-3 at halftime and they lost 38-34… (Either team smokes bears in sb). That was his defenses fault! Win alot of games scoring 34… Especially in 2006 when scoring was lower.
Both are great players and coulda kept them both if not for the shrunk cap. It’s a friggin tough decision. Shaq long term deal would prob be bad ladder half but from pure win now perspective he probably was the smarter move, but hey what do I know… We aren’t privvy to all the details Licht has from coaches and analytics etc so just gotta trust he made right decision
March 11th, 2021 at 5:44 pm
I think they are comfortable signing Shaq to a massive deal. I simple think at this time they didn’t want to “overpay” for Godwin. Who would you rather pay 20 mill a year to right now? Godwin or Shaq? I think there is still a very good chance we get Shaq around 18 to 20 mill a year some kind of 4-year deal. I guess we’ll see.
March 11th, 2021 at 5:48 pm
I can see us doing a contract of 4years 80 million 50 million guaranteed. This year have a 20 million signing bonus and a 1 million contract. So a 6 million cap hit this year. Helps get other free agents signed. Then 2nd year at 14million. And a cap hit of 19. Third year at 15 million 20 million cap hit. And year four we can release or trade or resign him and only take a 5 million dead cap hit if released or traded. Seems workable. Going to have to front load with signing bonuses these contracts for this 3 year window. Then be on a cheap rookie qb contract and hope you draft lightning in a bottle.
March 11th, 2021 at 6:11 pm
Should we have tagged Shaq there would be an equal number of articles saying we should have tagged Godwin
March 11th, 2021 at 6:32 pm
There is a reason guys like Duminik and this bozo are former GMs.
March 11th, 2021 at 6:45 pm
DR is right, if Shaq goes we almost certainly double down on the position both in free agency and likely the draft. There are already plenty of names to choose from. Reddick, Dunlap, Judon, possibly Miller, Hendrickson, and who knows who will be cut in the next week or so. Not worried about it. Like the player but not the price.
March 11th, 2021 at 6:47 pm
The Royal Tannebaum…who may be the first fella cut from a flag football team…has soiled two franchises in the AFC East. He is very Costanza like in many ways…thus we should go with his exact opposite instinct.
March 11th, 2021 at 6:56 pm
just takes 1 team – we are about to see.
Go Bucs!
March 11th, 2021 at 7:05 pm
I think Former GM says it all!
March 11th, 2021 at 7:20 pm
I must say that I agree with Tannebaum here. I think we should have Tagged Shaq instead of Chris Godwin.
March 11th, 2021 at 7:24 pm
Winny T spot on!
March 11th, 2021 at 7:32 pm
Likely told Licht he wouldn’t play under franchise tag. At the very least he’d be very unhappy about it. But honestly maybe they should have anyway.
March 11th, 2021 at 7:41 pm
They’ll get the Shaq deal done. Brady’s restructure will be announced any minute now and others should follow his example. Yes!
March 11th, 2021 at 7:43 pm
There might be a few team who would pay Shaq $20M, but I seriously doubt it. He’s too much of a risk when his sack total dropped to eight. The Bucs and Licht are calling bluff. If everyone remembered last year, Jameis wanted $30m. Bucs laughed and Got Brady. I think the Saints signed him for just over $1M. Shaq will probably get somewhere around $14 mil.
March 11th, 2021 at 7:46 pm
Shaq needs to be his own agent (like Suh) versus paying the oily slime ball his commission.
March 11th, 2021 at 7:57 pm
I would imagine one reason we have not signed Shaq yet is because we have not finished restructuring other contracts. With our cap situation being tight, it would be hard to negotiate firm numbers until you knew how much cap space you have to work with. I would expect a deal to come together soon once all the dominoes fall.
March 11th, 2021 at 8:06 pm
My, my. So many experts here.
I have no clue about any of this, because I’m not one of the people involve. I’m not going to pretend I know.
Now, what I hope?
I hope we keep Shaq. I hope we keep Godwin. I hope we keep JLP and Suh (at least one more year). I could care less about Gronk. He could stay or go back to the WWE.
So long as we have Brady, I’m happy.
March 11th, 2021 at 8:19 pm
Tagging him.two years in a row would be a slap in the face…it was a professional move to not tag him
March 11th, 2021 at 8:46 pm
I agree with the comments that Shaq was not going to be happy with the franchise tag. I think he was told last year, that they would work a long-term deal or let him explore free agency. It nice that the organization in making good on the agreement.
March 11th, 2021 at 9:03 pm
Frankly… I think Licht has a number in mind, in collaboration with Arians and Bowles. If shaq is too expensive, we will sign a lower priced replacement, and draft one of the best talents available at the position at 32. I don’t know if that is the best move, but I think we don’t want to blow up the cap for the next few years by overpaying him for this upcoming year. I can only rest in the belief that this management/ coach team will make the best decision.
March 11th, 2021 at 9:25 pm
Come on now…no one passes themself off as an expert more the The Bonz. In fact…if I recall you used to link your “page” using the killer combination of your “Buc knowledge” with that of elves, fairies and the like. But clearly you truly aren’t an expert…disparaging Gronk after he had 2 TD catches and another key one in the Super Bowl setting up Fournette’s scamper into the end zone on the very next play.
March 11th, 2021 at 9:28 pm
It’s a courtesy to the player.
March 11th, 2021 at 9:52 pm
ArmchairGM: Agreed. I have no idea if NFL teams actually use the trade value chart, or it’s just a made up thing.
March 11th, 2021 at 10:00 pm
They were never going to tag shaq at his age he wouldn’t have wanted to play on it this is his last shot to get a long term contract which he deserves for whichever team he signs
March 11th, 2021 at 10:57 pm
That pretty much sums it up.
Glad you are back Capt. Tim!
March 11th, 2021 at 11:43 pm
Relax … he’s the same age as von Miller. And he has a pot belly. No biceps.
Who’s going to get you first downs? That’s right Godwin.
March 12th, 2021 at 1:32 am
If we lose a young, fantastic pass rusher,
To sign our number 3 WR,
It will go down as an all time Buc Blunder
LOL. Says the new Buc fans joe n joe. Some of us have seen the real blunders since 76. Offering up to 17 mil a year to a two year wonder is far from a blunder. Pun not even intended. I’m pretty sure Shaq didn’t play in half the games last season anyway.
March 12th, 2021 at 6:42 am
If we lose a young, fantastic pass rusher,
To sign our number 3 WR,
It will go down as an all time Buc Blunder.
Shaq had 20 sacks 2 years ago, then it dropped to 8 sacks. He didn’t show much when Vita Vea was not in the line-up. The biggest blunder would be to pay Shaq $16M plus and then he produces less than 8 sacks. I am sure Licht has this in the back of his mind. Yes, he was dominate in the Super Bowl against KC but he was going against 2 backup offensive tackles.
March 12th, 2021 at 7:47 am
He is not on the Legends Level yet, mostly due to his sudden case of dropped balls in the playoffs. It’s all good though I believe that is the normal Godwin. But, as far as the legend I was referring to start this is Larry Fitzgerald, Chris is very much an important “all purpose” reciever. Makes catches blocks schemed in the run and pass game. Also seems to be the selfless for the team kinda guy like Mike Evans. Fantastic Duo
March 12th, 2021 at 7:56 am
Stop the Larry Fitzgerald comparison please. 1st ballot HOFer.
March 12th, 2021 at 8:21 am
Maybe Licht thinks that when Shaq tests the market he will find that he is not worth what he thinks he’s worth. Could be that other teams aren’t that high on Shaq and lLicht knows it.
March 12th, 2021 at 7:43 pm
Thanks Joe.
I think Shaq is the 2nd most valuable player on this team.
And thats saying alot!!
March 13th, 2021 at 11:07 am
Mike Tannenbaum is chiming in? LOOOOOOSSSEEEERRR!