Louis Riddick Talks Jameis Blame & Confirmation Bias; Peter King Says Jameis Has Been Ruled Out By One Good Landing Spot

April 1st, 2020

Unemployed America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, was back in the national news yesterday.

First, Peter King, the Hall of Fame voter, social activist and NFL super insider for NBC Sports, told The Rich Eisen Show that he was in touch with the Steelers and they have zero interest in Jameis being a backup to Ben Roethlisberger.

Ouch!

Second, Bucs Pro Bowl receiver Chris Godwin made waves talking to an BSPN property about how quarterbacks get too much credit and blame, and one example is hanging 30 interceptions last season on Jameis. Godwin said half Jameis’ fault.

Former NFL safety and Eagles and Redskins personnel executive Louis Riddick agreed with Godwin’s assessment during a passionate segment on BSPN TV.

“You could see that the [Bucs] receiver doesn’t finish a route, maybe a receiver takes a different angle out of the break than maybe what Jameis is expecting him to and the ball goes right to a defender,” Riddick said of Jameis’ game film. “And you can see both the receiver and Jameis looking at each other like, you know, ‘What’s up? What’s going on here?’ Look, it’s easy to just look at Jameis’ stat sheet, especially over the course of his career, and say, ‘Look, he’s turnover prone.’ And he has been; you can’t escape that. But you know that every interception has its own story and the game is very nuanced. … Piece by piece, there’s a lot of truth to what Chris Godwin said.”

Riddick, as his fans know, is a straight-talking realist. Decision-making and accuracy are paramount for QBs, Riddick continued, and Jameis needs work in those areas.

Then Riddick eloquently explained the concept of “confirmation bias,” which is prevalent among fans and owners. Simply stated, confirmation bias means if you like a player, you’ll argue and swear by all the good things he does to confirm your theory and gloss over his faults. And the hater will do the same thing in reverse.

Jameis has long been a great example of confirmation bias, mostly because he’s so good and so bad at the same time.

Riddick, like King, is confident Jameis will find a home and have a clear shot at a great future if his price is right.

110 Responses to “Louis Riddick Talks Jameis Blame & Confirmation Bias; Peter King Says Jameis Has Been Ruled Out By One Good Landing Spot”

  1. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    Why do we continue to bring him up? Might as well call the site JoeWinstonFan

  2. JP09 Says:

    Here we go again….

  3. Jmarkbuc Says:

    Cue Ndog in 3-2-1

  4. miken Says:

    This is really upsetting to hear of wide reciever mistakes. The Bucs are the only team where the pass catchers make mistakes. The other 31 qbs in the nfl are lucky that their recievers don’t make the same mistakes.

  5. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Petty Officer Buc Says:
    “Why do we continue to bring him up? Might as well call the site JoeWinstonFan”

    ~~~~~~~~

    If he is a topic of conversation in the national media, it is understandable why he would still be here. He was our starting QB for the past 5 seasons.

    Also, there obviously not a lot going on in the world of sports right now. Jameis is ALWAYS going to be a topic…. and that is probably partially why he can not even get a sniff of a backup job right now. It is the Tebow, Kaepernick syndrome. Too much publicity for a backup QB. Not many coaches want that.

  6. asdf Says:

    This applies to every QB in the league. If you adjust for JW you have do it for the other 31 QBs.

    He has led the NFL in turnovers since he entered the league. Let’s call a spade a spade.

    He has been careless with the football since college. Nothing has changed.

    LET’s TURN THE PAGE. WE HAVE THE GOAT NOW!!!!

  7. LordCornelius Says:

    Every QB deals with this unless we’re going to say the Bucs WR’s are especially stupid or something or that the offense is way more complicated than any other system.

    It’s on the QB more than anyone to get them on that same page.

    And even 15 picks that are completely the QB’s fault is horrible, considering leagues average is like 16 and those include the same type of miscommunication/bad route picks…

  8. Patrickbucs Says:

    Who knew a team with cap issues that has been restructuring a bunch of players didn’t want to sign Winston regardless of what they thought of him? They have two cheap backups with starting experience this past year.

  9. Sarasota Garey Says:

    I wish we could sign him as a backup!

  10. Buc1987 Says:

    All he’s saying is he actually watched film….not that other QB’s don’t have to deal with the same issues. He didn’t watch their film.

    We’ve heard all this from Ndog anyways! lol

  11. Cobraboy Says:

    If half of all interceptions are the QB’s fault, then Jameis Christ STILL led the league with 15. Using the same logic, Tommy Bucs had 4.

    Thankful ATM is gone.

  12. Cobraboy Says:

    Ndog is rubbing one out right now…

  13. THETRUTH Says:

    Wife out mistake is his friends defending him due there 21 dropped INT those weren’t wideout. Joe lives JW yet 32 coaches and about 31 GM who know the game aren’t even bringing him up. Yet joe says he is starter lol.

    His agent killed him with 30 mill demands he is no better than 5 mill back up..

    Jacksonville would be good for him but have they called ??

    If your run for 2000 years and fumble 37 times a year how good are you to the team success?

  14. El Buco Realisto Says:

    Of course the Steelers are not interested!!!!!!!!!! No team can have that much sexual assault in one meeting room!!!!!!!!!!!! And while we keep hearing about this WR running a wrong route, the Great QB would have nipped it and yelled at them in training camp and practice!!!!!!!!!!! That is why it “is” his fault!!!!!!!!!!!!! But maybe by next year, the sheep will start to “realize” that finally!!!!!!!!!

    go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!

  15. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Confirmation bias doesn’t change win loss record.

  16. MidwestBucsFan Says:

    Unemployed America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston

    Kudos for updating the label!

  17. Imon Says:

    I’ve said it all along: His future is in the CFL making maybe 1% of what he was asking of the Bucs! He will get absolutely no takers in the NFL. Zero.

    I have spoken! 😛

  18. D-Rome Says:

    Kudos for updating the label!

    There are two Joe’s. One is Reasonable Joe and the other is Unreasonable Joe. Clearly it was Reasonable Joe that wrote this.

  19. DBS Says:

    As of today. Not in the NFL, XFL or CFL. Out of football and Tampa. Move on!

  20. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Unemployed America’s Quarterback

    Don’t know which…..oxymoron or moron….

  21. catcard202 Says:

    By the same logic, when your DEF is bottom 5 & Kicking game Bottom 1…How good were they in terms of the teams overall success???

    The Bucs organization has been Bottom 5 for over a decade….Blaming JW3 for the teams failures is an easy target, but real culprit for Bucs beating Bucs, starts w/ the FO & Ownership.

  22. Matt Says:

    Lol this is “the friend” trying to talk up the Jameis Winston market. He’s putting in good words out in the media to try and get him a job and I respect him for it. It’s almost as if Riddick is empathetic for Jameis still not having a team. I’m telling you that it was that final press conference “check yo sheet“ comments and the one more final tweet about seeing us in Tampa for the super bowl that scared off even the last believers. Lamar Jackson or Mahomes would never ever say something like that so Winston still has more ego to shed before he hits rock bottom and can maybe start to build something.

  23. MidwestBucsFan Says:

    @D-Rome Says:

    There are two Joe’s. One is Reasonable Joe and the other is Unreasonable Joe. Clearly it was Reasonable Joe that wrote this.

    Absolutely agree.
    Logical Joe has penned some great blurbs on the Jameis Saga, assessing both reasonable pros and reasonable cons, since UberGate went down in the offseason of 2018. #Hero #GuessingSteveIsLogicalJoe

  24. stpetebucsfan Says:

    I’m done with any analysis. However as Demon correctly points out JW is news largely because all the other news is awful and there are no other sports to alleviate our constant immersion in a growing national crisis. At least Hedman got a little run this week.

    Everyone has made up their minds as to JW’s abilities/liabilities and where he belongs in the NFL pecking order.

    What I DO wonder however…given that BA even at the end still considered JW if his first two choices evaporated…is what would have happened if JW and his agent had marched into BA’s office immediately after the season ended…hats in hand and pleaded their case for another year? What if they had swallowed their egos and GREED and said…that was an embarrassing end BA…PLEASE give me a chance to redeem myself in your eyes?

    Would JW still be a Buc if he and his agent instead of mouthing off about 30 million realized they had a LOT to PROVE before those kinds of bucks were available.

    So perhaps the JW supporters should cease criticizing BA and start looking at JW’s agent. I realize like a certain other “famous” American JW can do no wrong…but at least you can find a better scapegoat than BA. I nominate his agent who clearly deserves to be fired immediately!!!!

  25. LaMarcus Says:

    Jameis Winston. I want you back but BA hating arse blamed you for everything

    Jw how dumb are you? You hired BA to be your boss and got fired by BA

    What kind of mess is this?

  26. TexBuc Says:

    Louis Reddick has been one of Winston’s harshest critics for years.

    NOT all offenses in the NFL are the same, BA’s offense has route options at the top of the route both WR and QB must read where most offenses do NOT.

    Hope to see more articles on potential draft picks.

  27. BigHog Says:

    Be careful CG12 err CG14 or whatever, the same people who loved you for giving up your number ….the number you were going to make famous for Tampa Bay Area young black kids to be proud of, just know on this subject it’s shut your mouth and play your role or they will make you walk the plank!!! BRING ON THE GREAT WHITE HOPE!!!! ALI …ALI ….ALI!!!

  28. PSL Bob Says:

    Miken nailed it! The fault blame goes equally for other QBs as well. So if you blame half of all QBs interceptions on factors that they couldn’t control, Jameis still has a boatload more interceptions than anyone else. End of story!

  29. Buczilla Says:

    5 years wasted on Jameis just like we did with Vinny. Bottom line is they just weren’t good enough while they were here. Vinny somewhat salvaged his career and hopefully Jameis can do the same.

    Talent wise, I think that Jameis is second only to Vinny in team history, but he is far from the best quarterback to play for our team. Only a lunatic would have preferred him to Brad Johnson in our lone Super Bowl. I’d take Doug and Garcia over him as well because they had meaningful wins while they were here and proved that they could come through in the clutch. Obviously, the mostly horrible teams that Jameis played on contributed to his poor play, but even when the team was running on all cylinders, Jameis almost always reverted back to his buffoonish ways. It’s a damn shame. Stay safe everyone. 😛

  30. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    If ya’ll wanna talk Winston, don’t gripe when they talk GMC.

  31. Scotty in Fat Antonio Says:

    I call BS. Funny how 31+ other QBs didn’t have the same issues with THEIR receivers.

  32. adam from ny Says:

    it woud be cool if joe can get an exclusive one on one interview with jameis during these covid19 times…

    some candid speak from jameis on his bucs career, leading up to his departure…would be an interesting read or podcast at this point…

    make it happen joeski…

    he’s gotta be emotional about this stuff, so it would make for a good interview…

    go to his house, kick back, turn on the mike, sip a few coronas together and chop it up…

    do it for the fans who spent the past 5 years routing for jaboo

  33. TheBradyBunch Says:

    Joe you should ban all these morons criticizing you for any articles about Jameis. We are in the middle of a shutdown you idiots with nothing going on in sports. Yet Joe is putting out multiple articles daily for you clowns. Yes, the former #1 overall pick and QB that many thought would lead us to the promised land is still an interesting topic to many Buc fans.

  34. adam from ny Says:

    #DoesAnyoneEvenDrinkCoronaAnymore 🙁

  35. Steven007 Says:

    This is the best piece I’ve seen written on his last year’s performance:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ultimate-scouting-report-whats-wrong-with-jameis-winston/r-BB11YNyf?li=BBnb7Kz

  36. Adrnagy Says:

    Jameis will be fine. Brady will get hurt half thru the season and jaboo will come in save our season and take us to playoff.

    If it doesnt happen that way , where ever he goes he will work hard and be successful.

  37. Jmarkbuc Says:

    Adam

    Would be a short interview.
    God is good, I have to cut down interceptions.

    Done and done ✅

  38. Ndog Says:

    If you guys want some education, check on the tweets on route breakdowns from Michael Clayton. You will clearly see an expert breakdown things I’ve been saying on here for months

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MCListenUp

    Check out his tweets from March 18th and FYI I was saying this BEFORE I found these videos.

  39. Ndog Says:

    Steven007 Says:
    April 1st, 2020 at 11:40 am
    This is the best piece I’ve seen written on his last year’s performance:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ultimate-scouting-report-whats-wrong-with-jameis-winston/r-BB11YNyf?li=BBnb7Kz

    For the record this article is not Horrible BUT he does make one ridiculous claim that the WRs made spectacular catches all the time to bail out the QB which is simply not true. A few yes, cause we have great WRs, but it did not happen that often maybe 8-10 times all season.

  40. DoooshLaRue Says:

    Look, it’s easy to just look at Jameis’ stat sheet, especially over the course of his career, and say, ‘Look, he’s turnover prone.’ And he has been……..
    ____________

    So he’s saying we shouldn’t be checking Jaymiss’s stat sheet?

    Confusing black allegiance.

  41. Pewter Power Says:

    Lol biggest Winston supporter prior to BA coming to Tampa and what I would say is this is the worst defense of a player I’ve ever seen. No one has had more excuses in Tampa Bay history, what quarterback has more weapons?

    What I will say to this stupidity is people act like this was his rookie year. One damn year of trying to blame receivers. Was his last pick due to not finishing a route or did he stare down brate like usual AND throw it late.

    What were the excuses the last 4 damn years. Sick of Winston talk and what we’re the excuses for interceptions thrown in college. He’s not wanted because receivers were running wrong routes? GTFOH with that, if it was receivers running wrong routes they would be saying we have the best receiver tandem in the nfl

  42. miken Says:

    @ndog.. is it just bucs running bad routes? Jameis the only qb that deals with this. Can’t you show film of a wide ope kwon alexander that drops an easy pick too? If this is out of the ordinary, wouldn’t gms be all over Jameis?? Has then kind of stuff been going on for all 5 years?

  43. miken Says:

    I mean probably half of all INTs in the nfl are because of a of a poor choice or bad accuracy of the qb. The other half are outside factors, like miscomunication, line play, bad routes ect… Not sure why idiots crusade on this for #3 when itslike this for all qbs.

  44. Tye Says:

    32 teams in the NFL..
    Quality QBs are Hard to find and it is the most crucial position on the field…
    64 QB jobs when you add in backups..
    Teams have traded away value for backups and even signed some XFL qbs…
    All passing on a chance to sign a former #1 over all pick that remains unemployed..

    Why?
    Because of the multitude of red flags, drama and bonehead plays that they would have to accept…
    Whatever accomplishments he may have had, he has soiled with poor decisions and play!

    That’s like accepting a million dollars covered with the coronavirus..

  45. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    TheBradyBunch Says:
    “Joe you should ban all these morons criticizing you for any articles about Jameis. We are in the middle of a shutdown you idiots with nothing going on in sports. Yet Joe is putting out multiple articles daily for you clowns.”

    ~~~~~~~~~

    I was thinking the same thing. Especially with all going on right now, JOE’s efforts are greatly appreciated. It provides for a sense of NORMALCY.

  46. SOEbuc Says:

    LMAO. Sure was responsible for the important ones.

    Week 1: 49’ers at TB. Three int in that game. 2:01 in 4th Bucs down 17-24. Gets rushed and throws the ball straight up into a pile of 9’ers and pick six to seal the deal. L 31-17.

    Week 17: Falcons at TB. I don’t have to say anything about that. L-28-22 OT.

  47. Mike Johnson Says:

    All Losing teams have scapegoats. But we here in Buc nation are probably the best at giving fans their pound of flesh every year. I mean you gotta justify a Sorry a.. team right? Who will it be next season joining Schiano, Lovie, GMC, and Jameis at the local fishing hole? I’m sure Buc fans will select somebody. I hope Brady does not go down…

  48. Architek Says:

    HE ISNT COMING BACK CAN WE MOVE ON???

  49. SOEbuc Says:

    I just realized that those stats make me mad at ppl hatting on the rookie K Matt Gay.

  50. El Buco Realisto Says:

    The only thing more off target then Jay-miss’s throws, was his salary demands!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

    go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  51. lambchop Says:

    @Ndog,

    He threw 30 INTs. I’ll be generous and say 10 were WRs running bad routes. What about the other 20? What about the 33 TDs? Were 33 TDs thrown directly into the endzone where Jameis can grab all the credit for those too? WRs routinely grabbed passes “in the vicinity” because of their catch radius.

    Anyone with half a brain can see that our WRs are the strongest group on the field, unlike the QB position. Every QB deals with WRs running bad routes, but no other QB comes close to 30 INTs.

    I’ll listen to Michael Clayton about WRs AFTER I listen from Ryan Leaf about the art of Quarterbacking.

  52. Architek Says:

    BradyBunch-
    That is a individual opinion. I personally do not want to read about pointless Jameis articles. I don’t care either way for Jameis as a NFL player but I am worn out by the multiple articles about a player that is no longer on our roster and polarizing as ever.

    Sure it drive up clicks but I’m over the Jameis extremes and bias.

  53. Youngbucs Says:

    lol this is to funny

  54. Youngbucs Says:

    Exactly

  55. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Adrnagy Says:
    “Brady will get hurt half thru the season”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Seems like a pretty standard post from you.
    Almost like you wish for it.
    C’mon man.

  56. Ndog Says:

    lambcomp that is just you showing your lack of willingness to be wrong and are one of the reasons why Jameis doesn’t have a job. Teams can’t sell him to non-football understanding folks like yourself. Everyone hears Jameis Winston and thinks 30 for 30 when in reality he played on the most undisciplined football team in the league and if you don’t believe that look at who had the most penalities. So it stands to reason if a team is sloppy in taking penalities wouldn’t they also be sloppy in coverage (yes sir, see countless blown coverages throughout the year) and wouldn’t they also be sloppy on their routes (yes sir and just like penalities more than most). Simply watch the videos and see for yourself he even gives you a great comparison in a route run by Godwin poorly and the same route run by Edelman perfectly. After watching that you tell me which one was better? It’s not about opinion fellas it’s about facts and you all have simply been duped. It’s ok I know you didn’t know any better but when there are things out there that help you become a smarter fan you should take advantage of them. That’s all I’m saying as you don’t need to make the same my mistakes with the next player we run out of town wrongly.

    On a side note the best thing Brady can bring to this team is accountably to the other players cause with Jameis they knew they could suck cause he would get blamed for everything but with Brady they know who will get the blame so they better step up or get roasted.

  57. Jeebs the Honey Bear Says:

    Thank God we can blame the 20 dropped interceptions on the opposing defenses! That is not an exaggeration, there is a video online of 20 dropped INTs thrown by Winston in 2019. It’s a pretty hilariously bad highlight reel.

  58. JimmyJack Says:

    Another breakdown and let me guess. They compare Winston to nobody. Again it’s an unfair study unless you do the same thing for every other QB. And if you did that Winston will still have the most in the league.

    And I’ve never saw one of these studies that assigns blame to multiple players…….Like when you throw high over the middle and OJ drops it and it gets picked. Sure it’s mostly OJs fault but throwing high over the middle is part of it.

    Or how about we look at all the plays that were bad mistakes that easily could have resulted in picks? Cause if you look at those plays it showcases this as a problem that is very unlikely to go away.

    This all just seems to me like a tattered look at reality. Bottom line is it’s the most INTs in the league and is a problem.

  59. El Buco Realisto Says:

    @ndog

    Most fans see that jay-miss lead the league in turnovers for the last 5 years!!!!!!!!! Most fans see that jay-miss lead the league with two settlements for sex-UAL as-sault!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!

  60. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Here’s your rebuttal Joe,

    Now with Brady at the helm small mistakes will be minimized because Brady is a leader and will not tolerate blatant mistakes. He’s more of a leader than your immature Jameis was. He will get more out of this team than Jameis ever could because that’s what true real leadership does.

    ..and BTW you won’t catch Brady eating W’s

  61. Ndog Says:

    Fellas this is pretty easy. This has been one of the most undisciplined teams in the league for awhile. So yes all teams run poor routes just like all teams have penalities BUT when you are one of the worst over the course of 13 years then it stands to reason that we have THE MOST number of poor routes run, just like we have the most blown coverages and the most blown assignments on the oline etc…

    The point is you guys can keep saying everyone has the same issues that’s not the point, the point is it happens more here than others cause that is the way it is here, we’ve sucked.

    Hopefully Brady can do what Arains, and many before him couldn’t, and that is get some accountability because their crutch is gone. Now they will get the proper amount of blame. One of Jameis Winston’s biggest issues was not ripping his teammates for running crappy routes and making sure they do it perfectly everytime. That is the leaders job and instead I truly believe he was more worried about getting guys fired up when in reality that doesn’t mean crap if you miss you block, run a poor route, blow a coverage, etc…

    That will be the biggest impact from Brady hopefully…

  62. JimmyJack Says:

    Jean I totally agree about leadership. Think it’s been a bigger problem then I have realized. Good chance this was a bigger factor for Bruce’s decision then the INTs.

    And it would add up to the fact of why Winston can’t find a starters job.

  63. Youngbucs Says:

    Ndog Jameis can’t rip anybody in tht locker room they would laugh at him

  64. JP09 Says:

    Ndog, when are you going to understand Winston does not have the mental capacity to be a starting QB. He is incapable of reading the defense pre snap. I’ll go back to one play, it’s very simple. You have Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Breshad Perriman, OJ Howard and Peyton Barber all split out. Barber is covered by Richard Sherman the 9ers #1 CB, where would you personally go with the ball? Instead of making the proper check Winston decides to go with what was called, he throws the ball to Barber and we know what happens after that. If he just looked to his left he would’ve seen Godwin coming open over the top. Yes the pick was because of a bad route and some pressure, but the point on this play like many is the ball should’ve never been thrown to Barber.

    By the way your last paragraph is pure BS, Arians literally blamed everyone except Jameis the light the season until those last two games….

  65. Youngbucs Says:

    Gotta do your own job first

  66. Youngbucs Says:

    It’s everyone’s fault this guy does not have a job.
    Expect his own. Can I ask you ndog what is Jameis responsible for ?????????
    Anything?????????

  67. Ndog Says:

    No matter what I post you guys argue. It just shows you truly do HATE the young man and have zero desire to be honest about anything involving him.

    Have a good day gentleman and go spend some time learning some football. Take care.

  68. TexBuc Says:

    90% of NFL throws must be thrown before the WR finishes his route if a QB waits till WR completes route the pass is late.

  69. The Coroner Says:

    When Jameis remains unsigned perhaps the Bucs could sign him at backup salary. Knows the offense. And what a better tutor than Tom Brady to teach him how to be a quarterback who doesn’t turn the ball over.

  70. Blue-footed booby Says:

    Keep trying to prop up Jaymiss, Ndog. But you still haven’t given any real valid reason as to why the Patriots, Saints, and Chiefs have not signed Winston or even offered him any sort of deal to be a backup QB. If Winston was truly all that and a terrific quarterback then surely Bill Belichick, Sean Payton, and Andy Reid would take notice right Ndog?

    You surely would not dare to suggest those 3 Super Bowl winning coaches who know a ton about how to win in the NFL would get duped by those big bad media narratives and the terrible fans booing Jaymiss would you Ndog?

  71. JimmyJack Says:

    NDog your 1:25 comment sits a lot better with me then some of your other points.

    We’ve argued about leadership and there’s no way to know from a fans perspective……..But if Brady comes in and the Bucs suddenly quit beating themselfs it will defientally look like on field leadership was a big part of the problem.

    Only time will tell but if all these problems suddenly just go away it will be hard to say this change at QB is not a large factor why.

  72. Youngbucs Says:

    Thank u 🙏🏽

  73. [email protected] Roof Cleaning Tampa Says:

    I have seen Brady get in his own players faces several times, when they screwed up.
    I don’t think I have ever seen that from Jameis.

  74. 2020 Year of the GOAT Says:

    the real question is do we resign JW on the cheap as a back up ???

  75. Admiral Redbeard Says:

    So if a receiver has a choice to go either, say, high or low in his pattern, depending on the coverage, and he goes high into open field, but the QB throws low, directly into coverage it’s the receivers fault? AHHAHAHAHAHAHA, that’s the craziest shizzle I’ve ever heard! QB makes the bad decision, and the blame goes on the receiver. Only a Winston apologist would think that way.

  76. BuckyLove Says:

    Some interceptions may not have been his fault, but there were also many times he threw high, low, behind or too far ahead. And then his excellent receivers made a catch anyway. Those look good in the stats but they are still bad passes that limit yards after the catch. He needs a field, a bunch of targets, two ball boys and 40 footballs. Then spend 6 hours a day, everyday, learning to be accurate. A couple of months of that and he might be worthwhile to some team.

  77. geno711 Says:

    I think Riddick is fair. I think Godwin is fair.
    It does not mean that Jameis is the best choice of quarterback for this team.
    It does not mean that Jameis would be a good starting quarterback on another team.

    I say:

    He’s turnover prone and he has been; You can’t escape that.

    But every interception has its own story and the game is very nuanced.

    There is not just one reason a team wins or loses. There is not just one way to be good in this league.

    Should Jameis be on a team – yes as a backup. Should he be on this team – no – not even as a backup.

  78. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Ndog Says:
    “No matter what I post you guys argue. It just shows you truly do HATE the young man”

    ~~~~~~~~

    This is not fair or true, Ndog.

    I disagree with most of your posts lately about Jameis… yet I consider myself a fan of his, as I have mentioned many times. I am personally rooting for him to have incredible success in the NFL as a 2nd part of his career. The turnovers here just became too much to overcome. I like Jameis and will always pull for him.

  79. MadMax Says:

    Ndog is right everyone…just nod your head, agree, no argument…dont waste your time lol.

  80. MadMax Says:

    And again, for the record, 3-5 mill with him as our backup would be great….especially for this 2 year SB run we’re striving at. He already knows the system, the play book, the players. I wish he could do it…but i know it wont happen.

  81. Ndog Says:

    JimmyJack part of my issue is isn’t the coach also responsible for his players not committing penalities, running crappy routes, blowing coverages, etc… Yet Jameis loses his job, in part, because this entire team is a mess and now we are putting that all on our new QB? What exactly does Arains do? I mean the great teams that have existed over time are in large part due to great coaching but we are saying on our team, it is all on the QB to hold players accountable and make sure they all do their jobs well? I hope Brady can do it but why can’t we have a coach that actually does HIS job.

  82. Ndog Says:

    Admiral Redbeard Says:
    April 1st, 2020 at 2:17 pm
    So if a receiver has a choice to go either, say, high or low in his pattern, depending on the coverage, and he goes high into open field, but the QB throws low, directly into coverage it’s the receivers fault? AHHAHAHAHAHAHA, that’s the craziest shizzle I’ve ever heard! QB makes the bad decision, and the blame goes on the receiver. Only a Winston apologist would think that way.

    You clearly didn’t watch the Clayton videos or understand football if you believe what you just said above.

    Hi Madmax thanks for chiming in and providing nothing of substance as usual.

  83. Ndog Says:

    Would you go work for someone that threw you under the bus to save themselves or flatly lies about you on the regular?

    Yeah Jameis is not coming back here.

  84. JimmyJack Says:

    Yes NDog it is on the coaching but it is closed minded to point at just coaching. Specifically when you single out just one coach. Cause it’s also on all of the assistant coaches as well. And it very much is on the QB who is the leader on the field as well.

    It’s on all of them. And if you want to take it a step further it ultimately is the owners who are most responsible.

    Now if you get into a question of leadership….or lack of rather……my first question is if the team still believes in that person. If they don’t believe in Arians, for example, it’s never going to work.

    If you ask that question about Winston I have serious doubts that the team still believes in him. Joe has posted the hypothetical question as to whether certain defensive players have lost faith in Winston(or a very similar question) I think it’s a darn good question.

    We will likely never know the answer but I think it’s a good chance that’s what’s happening here. I don’t think guys like JPP or Suh wanna come back here and end their careers under Winston cause they just don’t believe in him. I think if we brought back Winston it comes at a cost and it means we gotta rebuild the defense all over again………And then if it immediately doesn’t work we likely would then see a domino effect with guys like Evan and Chris losing faith and wanting out.

    And I realize that’s a lot of guesswork but there’s close to nothing to suggest the players had faith Winston could lead them to the playoffs and beyond. It’s a very plausible scenario that does need to be considered if you are being open minded.

    I also think it’s telling that Joe posed the question and he is very close to these players on a personal level. I don’t think he poses that question is he thinks there’s no possibility of it holding some truth. Especially since he has always been a Winston supporter.

  85. JimmyJack Says:

    Oops…..**End Rant**

  86. Bobby M. Says:

    The confirmation that matters at this point is Winston sits unemployed. All the teams that needed a QB likely did the same analysis our coaches did. Considering who might be available…..then determining a scouting report for each. There is no doubt that Winston was analyzed by every team looking to change/upgrade. So when every team comes to the same conclusion, its not confirmation bias….its simply confirmation. You cant win in the NFL with a QB that performs so inconsistently without substantial help in other areas of the team.

    Guess what…..that approach to roster management is generally reserved for drafting a rookie QB on the cheap. The Bucs tried that…..it failed consistently. Any team looking to go in that direction will ultimately go cheap with a rookie….nobody is building around Winston. He’s a back up that might get streaky and trick you into being hopeful but ultimately he’s Fitzpatrick at best.

  87. JimmyJack Says:

    And they never threw Winston under the bus. Fact is that Arians did protect Winston during whole season.

    That’s a bogus narritive. While there may have been some blunt truth lately being honest about a situation and throwing somebody under the bus are entirely different.

    Don’t trash the team unless it’s valid. At least be fair.

  88. Ndog Says:

    Saying repeatedly, after being asked about Jameis, that we lost games due to TOs squarely points to Jameis as the reason we lost games. At ANY point in those interviews he could have mentioned the defense from he first half of the year, the kicking game, the return game the lack of running game but continued to drive the narrative that Jameis was the sole problem. Maybe you believe that maybe not, but he certainly made it a point to tell the football world his team was great if it wasn’t for that Horrible QB he had.

  89. JimmyJack Says:

    So NDog……He was asked about Winston and you are upset he didn’t answer by taking about defense?…….Ummmm sooo yeah that means you would like him to throw the defense under the bus rather then answer the question directly? That’s ridicilous.

    When he is asked a question about the defense let me ask you this…….Does he bring up Winston’s picks? Without knowing the answer I will assure you he certainly does not. And I’ll look it up if I gotta.

    See that’s called a double standard. You present to me one thing Bruce said that was unfair. But you can’t cause you won’t. And that is why I will continue to call this a completely bogus narritive.

    You’ve made your agenda clear here. You’ve taken on to attacking the Front Office and it’s obvisous it’s because they disagree with how you feel about Winston. Before then your schtick was to attack commenters who criticized Winston. Yes some deserved it for hating but you attacked many Bucs fans just for being critical. Not fair.

    Its obvisous you will attack anybody who doesn’t agree with you. Its done nothing but harm to the fanbase for the Winston debate as it draws a line in the Sand where critism is the line. Now you double on the harm as you resort to attacking the team.

    And as I know you will deny this anybody reading can easily see all your attacks are rooted in putting g your own opinion above the team.

    You said yesterday that winning with Brady will not feel special(or something similar to that). And the reason you feel this way will defientally be because you do in fact put your own opinion above the team…….For the rest of us Bucs fans winning will feel great. It won’t be about individual players for us. It will 100% be about the team as a whole. The team we love and the name on the front of that jersey and us fans that they represent.

    *END RANT***

  90. diggler Says:

    Geezus dood the guy isn’t the BUCS QB ANYMORE. Just proving the point that Joe bucs fan is really Joe’s a winston fan. Joe do you support the Bucs or Winston? If you don’t support the Bucs then continue on trying to validate your homer take that he was a good QB. If you’re a Bucs fan than you need to cease posts about Winston and move on. For 5 years you neglected so many stories about other players and issues so you could dedicate to Winston. When do you cash out man and take the L?

  91. destinjohnny Says:

    I am sure every scout/gm in the league knows what they will get if they sign Jameis to the 28 million dollar contract he wants.
    I dont feel like some people can be objective when it come to 3.
    This is a text book case of that. Louis’s vision is clouded.
    I do wonder if we should have gone after Teddy.
    He is young and his teammates love him.
    He Is accurate and consistent and would have been an awesome fit here.

  92. ATrain Says:

    NDOG

    BE HONEST

    You were wrong about Winston’s talent because No One wants Him

    Be Honest

  93. Jonathan Limpchimpi Says:

    My money is on Winston now signing with the Saints. He could learn a lot from both Payton & Brees…and perhaps rehab his career much like Bridgewater did. Plus…he could stay in the NFC South and hope to stick it to the Bucs given the opportunity.

  94. Dlavid Says:

    You must dream of #3 every night . You are going mad Joe#2 .

  95. Cobraboy Says:

    [email protected] Roof Cleaning Tampa Says:

    I have seen Brady get in his own players faces several times, when they screwed up.
    I don’t think I have ever seen that from Jameis.

    No. but I have seen Jameis Christ eat one helluva “W”…

    I love how Ndog is blaming team lack of discipline for Winston’s poor performance.

    Thanks, Ndog, for the comic relief.

  96. Sorryjackchuckiesback Says:

    Dude he sucks get over it!! Every team in the league knows it!! You can say all the same things about any QB in the league that DIDN’T throw 30 picks… Excuses, excuses excuses!! … It’s over man! He sucks and everyone knows it!!

  97. TexBuc Says:

    Until this quote from Louis Reddick in this thread I have NEVER heard him say one positive thing about Winston going all the back to pre draft talk of 2015.

  98. YucLife Says:

    His problems aren’t just on the football field and obviously character is huge when no one is watching and he had some incidents here, but it’s something that shouldn’t surprise many that he’s battling with something. I wish him all the best, but please Joe can we ever stop hearing about this guy ? Can’t wait to go into a season we pay seeing Jaymiss not a Buc !!! Thank you Jesus

  99. REDZONE BA Fan Says:

    I’m not worried about JW. Dude earned $40M+ in 5 years, so no tears from me. JW will get another shot in NFL. As for why JW has not been signed yet?

    4 reasons, from my purview.

    1) JW Team incorrectly thought BA/Bucs were just trying to drive his price down, vs seriously looking at Door #2/3.
    2) JW Team incorrectly thought Brady/Bridgewater would not be available, and Bucs would go back to JW team for negotiations
    3) Per JW team incorrect assumptions about 1&2, JW team was not ACTIVELY talking to other NFL teams, and missed huge windows of opportunities. By sitting still for Bucs.
    4) CORONA – Due to not being able to have face time with GM’s and coaches, JW is missing out on being able to dispel mis-truths, overcome concerns and also show his passion in-person. And all positions are FILLED now. Missed big window.

    Finally – having your coach suggest you need to be a Backup to learn, is devastating endorsement if you are trying to get a QB job…

    JW will land somewhere. Will take time.

    For Bucs, Brady is upgrade, but only if Brady can stay upright. That is my only concern. JW took a lot of hits, being too slow for decisions. There were 20+ plays last year where Lamar Jackson would have been blind-sided and pancaked like JW. If BA can eliminate those plays, we good.

  100. Oneilbucs Says:

    Hey look Jamies is gone now and now there’s no more scapegoat because Jamies was the reason why we lost according to you people on this site . I don’t want to hear nothing about the offensive line or the defense or the runningbacks or the kicking game . The reason why the national media and the local media is bashing Jamies is because they are scared . Because if Jamies go somewhere else and ball out then there narrative is over and people would see the lies that they make up against Jamies but make up things for quarterbacks they love . So the more they bash Jamies the more they make other teams and fanbases afraid of getting him because it will fit their narrative against Jamies . No excuses superbowl or bust …

  101. WestChap Says:

    TB12 in TB is awesome… but I agree with some that it only happened because JW over estimated the market he would find for his services. Jameis is going to sign somewhere for less than $15 and likely less than $10. If he had walked into Bruce’s office asking for $10 salary with incentives to get him up over $25 Bruce would never have even looked elsewhere.

    Lucky for us, Jameis’ parting gift was… Brady.

  102. Cobraboy Says:

    @WestChap: I do not believe either BA, Licht or the Glazers wanted Winston back no matter the price.

  103. JimmyJack Says:

    Oniel with his conspiracy against Winston post. You know what. You sold me bro. Because I never realized it before but when teams go to major a major change at the most important position I’m certain that they listen to the Steven A. Smith of the world……..And if he says something bad about a player they get scared of.

    Didn’t never think about it but now that you say it. It make a lot of sense. Thanks for learning me.

  104. REDZONE BA Fan Says:

    @ONEILBUCS – You SHOULD NOT hear those excuses in 2020 because the Bucs are finally in a position to make the O-Line better to protect QB. Bucs will FINALLY draft a real RB, who will make the play-action option a threat. And Matt Gay will be BETTER in 2020. And the Bucs D has arrived, per media.

    JW performance in 2019 – bad timing for a contract year — was rough – the last two games were nails in JW coffin, per Bruce.

    2020 Bucs – there should be no excuses for not making playoffs. Corona? Every team dealing w/same challenges, so the table is level. Bucs have GOAT QB, best WR’s and TE’s. and rising D.

    BA has to adjust “Risk it” to keep Brady from taking QB hits that Palmer, Big Ben, Luck and Winston took. Brady is 43 and will never survive the season under same offense JW had in 2019, even w/ Brady quick read and fast delivery. Just a fact.

    The 2020 season success is all on BA/Byron play-calling for Brady. NOT Brady.

  105. Oneilbucs Says:

    Man why do yall bring up drop interceptions ? That’s the dumbest thing to talk about . Every quarterback in every game has drop interceptions . How many drop interceptions did Wentz have or Payton Manning had . This is the only fanbase that talk about trash like that . Just say yall hate Jamies and get it over with lol lol ..

  106. SteveK Says:

    Jameis sucked enough on his own. Turnovers are more than anyone.

    You are turnover blind.

  107. SteveK Says:

    More turnovers than anyone. *

  108. @keithcorwin813 Says:

    Can we quit calling him America’s quarterback since he doesn’t have a job Joe no balls fan…

  109. Joe Says:

    Can we quit calling him America’s quarterback

    Not sure who “we” is but Joe will not.

  110. TOM Says:

    Enough of this Jameis crap. I could care less about what he does or doesn’t do or where he ends up. To me he’s in the past where he belongs. The turnover machine is gone & good riddance.