Breaking Down The Trade
April 24th, 2020
Bucs GM Jason Licht.
It was like Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht was listening to “The Who.” He wasn’t going to get fooled again.
Last year, some believe (though never confirmed) the Bucs had interest in drafting Oklahoma offensive lineman Cody Ford in the second round. The Bucs held the 39th pick overall. At No. 38, with Jacksonville on the clock, Ford was still there.
But no! All of a sudden Buffalo swings a trade with the Jags and jumped ahead of the Bucs and grabbed Ford. The Bucs were left high and dry.
So last night when Iowa offensive lineman Tristan Wirfs, who the Bucs had rated very high, was still there at No. 13 with San Francisco on the board, Licht had last year’s fiasco in the front of his mind and wasn’t going to get caught with his pants down again.
“You want to get a guy? Go get him,” Licht said in a video he cut with Casey Phillips of Buccaneers.com immediately after drafting Wirfs. “No risk it, no biscuit. Sometimes you have to pay a price to get a guy who you think will help your football team.”
You can see Licht explain the process in this video he cut with Casey Phillips of Buccaneers.com immediately after the pick last night.
“You want to get a guy, go get him. ‘No risk it, no biscuit,’ as Bruce says. We’re very happy we got him.” pic.twitter.com/IjAqaV76Z6
— Tampa Bay Buccaneers (@Buccaneers) April 24, 2020
April 24th, 2020 at 11:04 am
Very true! The way i see it build a young oline now because brady is gone in 2-4yrs max and these guys will still be here long after. You wont have to worry about bringing in a rookie and plugging him in behind a solid line. Common sense.
April 24th, 2020 at 11:04 am
Lynch pulled the “ol Trubisky” over Lichts eyes
April 24th, 2020 at 11:05 am
Didn’t know that story form last year. Sensible trade up, imo.
April 24th, 2020 at 11:18 am
Not sensible because Lynch has done this trick before. If John Lynch was really inclined to trade down with the Dolphins why is he missing on the trade so he can take a 4th from Licht? Oh, Javon Kinlaw, the only DT left with a first round grade was available to replace DeForest Buckner and the odds that Kinlaw fell another 5 selections were pretty minimal.
And for the love of God, No Risk it No Biscuit, which was first introduced to me during the Jameis Winston selection, is about taking a chance. Trading away a 4th because you’re afraid of other teams and you are talking to the used car dealer of the GM world isn’t ‘risking’ it, staying pat and making Lynch choose between Kinlaw or some inferior non-DT and an extra second round pick would be risking it.
April 24th, 2020 at 11:19 am
The Dolphins picked Austin Jackson at 18, you know darn well they trying to trade up. Lynch wanted Kinlaw so he swapped with us, worked out great for everyone and at least we got an extra 7th rounder.
April 24th, 2020 at 11:22 am
Tom S take a nap
April 24th, 2020 at 11:24 am
I have to believe the Dolphins were trying to move up and take Wirfs, and I like the move.
Imagine the run possibilities on the right side of our Line now, with Wirfs and Gronk blocking.
April 24th, 2020 at 11:25 am
We wanted Wirfs….Lynch wanted Kinlaw…..the only trade partner for SF that assured Kinlaw was the Bucs…..
I fell quite certain that Miami could have and probably offered a better deal but SF wanted Kinlaw…..
April 24th, 2020 at 11:25 am
Just wonder where this desperate was before this year?
April 24th, 2020 at 11:28 am
This isnt the same as the Trubisky. Not even close. The Bears reached for Trubisky. The Bucs got a steal with Wirfs. Wake tf up
April 24th, 2020 at 11:29 am
Powerful Jason Licht
April 24th, 2020 at 11:39 am
Licht bulb is one of the biggest “draft for need” go in the league!!!!!! When the gm telegraphes the need each year, it is too easy for the other GM’s to fleece the bucs!!!!!!!!!! NFL GM Lynch new for weeks that he was going to get a great package just by being placed one spot ahead of the desperate licht bulb!!!!!!!!!!! He knew he would squeeze licht bulb when other teams knew what licht bulb was going to draft!!!!!!!!!
Each year it is so easy to know what position will be selected!!!!!!! Maybe that is why the sheep wrongly think he is great!!!!!!!!!!!
go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 24th, 2020 at 11:42 am
He did the responsible thing and didn’t come out terrible when you get your man and extra 7th for a 4th. We didn’t in any way get hosed. Now hopefully Wirfs will payoff.
April 24th, 2020 at 11:43 am
Ndog
you really are a little prick
April 24th, 2020 at 11:45 am
Wirfs was last of the highly rated O-line guys in the draft, and the Bucs did need a RT. It might be great, it might not.
It was cheap enough that some other needed points can still be drafted.
It wasn’t a desperation move, so it will be fine. There are too many high points in the Bucs off-season for there to be desperation in this draft.
Licht might still be able to pull a little desperation out of it, it seems to be his trademark.
April 24th, 2020 at 11:46 am
You got screwed licht. Yeah I know it’s a 4th
but no one was trading up. It’s all gossip.
Josh jones. A. Jackson. E. Cleveland Etc etc were still available.
If Tristan wirfs was all that .. why did he got passed 13times ?
Stupid GM or HC don’t priority the future of the organization by trading and throwing picks away
April 24th, 2020 at 11:48 am
I think the assumption that SF did not want to drop down to 18 was that Kinlaw would be gone or a team would jump up to grab him. No doubt in my mind Miami wanted tp move up and they reached reached reached for Austin Jackson at 18.
April 24th, 2020 at 11:51 am
Bucs are 100% in “win now” mode.
The 4th round is not where you typically find day 1 starters.
We picked a rookie who will start day 1, and instantly contribute to our “win now” goal.
When looked at from a summary point of view, we used a 1st round pick and two fourth rounders, to land the the best rookie tackle in college, and Gronk.
That’s a solid, solid exchange. Does anyone here think that we could have gotten a better return on these draft picks? If so, I’m curious as to what that return would look like?
April 24th, 2020 at 11:56 am
And the losers are still crying.
April 24th, 2020 at 11:57 am
Ole salty dog. Living in the past.
April 24th, 2020 at 11:58 am
Jason learns from past mistakes and with BA involved he has been doing excellent drafts. Not to mention getting BA to start with then Brady and Gronk so the Licht haters are out of luck, Licht will be in charge as long as the present owners keep the team. I was thrilled with Wirfs who can start at RT this year and then move to LT next year and save us big cap space and we may be able to trade off D. Smith. If with our 7th round pick we take Jon Runyon from Michigan OT, who played decent as an OG for both the East West Shrine Game and the Senior Bowl, but with a year as a backup Guard and OT for us could move right up to play RG next year. Be sure to get Swaine WR as an undrafted free agent who is a fast, quick WR who can play Special Teams and backup slot, and yes he is in the draft this year and did a 4.6 40 at the combine and showed good strength too.
April 24th, 2020 at 11:59 am
I encourage Joe and the posters to take a look at the John Lynch Draft call.
https://www.49ers.com/video/john-lynch-2020-nfl-draft-javon-kinlaw-brandon-aiyuk-interview-day-1
“Javon was there. We really felt like he was a top-10 even a top-5 talent and the fact that he got back to 13. Then a team said ‘Hey, we’d like to come up and get someone’ and Javon was the guy we kind of had targeted and we felt a good shot if we moved back we could still get him and we added a 4th round pick.”
Let me know if you think John was about to trade down with the Dolphins and give up the guy they targeted at 13 or if maybe Jason didn’t just give away a draft pick because he was afraid.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:00 pm
I duno anyone on here that I think has given an impression of thinking Licht is some “great” or awesome GM.
AT this point the sheep have to be voices in Realists head lol.
GO BUCS
April 24th, 2020 at 12:04 pm
>Get possibly some of the best Value of the draft
>Can’t stop complaining about making sure we got him
For christ sake you guys realize he wasn’t supposed to be there. this isn’t an OJ Howard wasn’t supposed to be there either type of thing.
We got a solid right tackle that will be on this team for years and year and yet some people cannot stop complaining about a 4th round pick we gave up to get him when other teams wanted to move up.
Man some people. We did what we had to do.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:05 pm
It sounds good, but the truth is John Lynch played Licht and the Bucs like a philharmonic orchestra.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:07 pm
Cmon guys.
Lets keep talking about jameis . Isnt he the best buc of all time ?
April 24th, 2020 at 12:09 pm
Lmao this guy says why did all the teams pass up on wirfs. Future all pro players get passed all the time.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:11 pm
“If Wirfs was all that why did he get passed by 13 teams” Dumbest comment of the day award
April 24th, 2020 at 12:15 pm
Tom S.
OK, so Joe will play along. Licht got shafted.
So the Bucs missed out on the next Ryan Smith or Dre Moore.
Damn. The franchise will crumble.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:17 pm
Jameis is gone. No need.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:20 pm
@Joe Exactly. Who cares when we got a steal of a prospect
April 24th, 2020 at 12:27 pm
Licht is not a good negotiator. There is an art to negotiation. He was fleeced by Lynch. He knew Lynch wasn’t gonna take a tackle. He should have realized he was being pawned and the pick would have still been there at 14. To give up a 4th round pick to move from 14 to 13 is insane. With all that said, I do love the pick.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:31 pm
It’s a 4th Rd pick! Who cares. Even if John Lynch raked the Bucs over, it still doesn’t take away from the fact that Jason didn’t want to take a chance at losing out on the last OT left who probably graded better than some of the ones picked before him. The guy is a plug and play starter. How many 4th Round picks have we developed?
Without Brady, we may not have made the move, but we are in win now mode and tackles don’t come cheap in FA. Now we need to get a RB in the 2nd but I think we’ll have to move up to get either Swift or Taylor, otherwise we settle with Akers. There will be a few 2nd Rd trades to secure those RBs.
April 24th, 2020 at 12:39 pm
Well Joe, for a GM who has whiffed on his second, third and fourth first round pick (2015, 2016, 2017) including the first overall pick in Jameis. For a guy who traded multiple second day picks for the worst kicker in the NFL who would three years later take another kicker at the highest spot in the NFL Draft since Aguayo and watch that kicker literally cost the team two games I would say every pick helps, let alone a 4th round which has at least a shot of being the next Kwon Alexander.
While the Bucs recent draft history has been atrocious in general (see the entire 2016 NFL Draft under Licht), there have been some worthwhile players/starters taken in the 4th by the team such as Mike Williams under Dominik who had 3k yards and 26 TD’s with the team before flaming out. Tanard Jackson had 10 INTs for the team as a safety, Jordan Whitehead has been a reliable starter, Dexter Jackson was our SuperBowl MVP and Tony Mayberry was the best center in franchise history.
The odds of a 4th round pick being a pro bowler is very low but a 4th round pick being a cheap starter on a very low paid rookie deal is great for the cap especially when you’re paying big bucks for the Brady’s and Gronks of the world and having to worry about extending a recent third round pick in Chris Godwin.
April 24th, 2020 at 3:17 pm
Bucs got fleeced. Lost 2 4th rd picks they could have packaged to get back into late day 2. Bucs need 3 picks for day 2, so I hope Licht can fix his mistakes by getting a 3rd rd pick at least for OJ. Bucs need RB, S and DT today. Value in those positions is still very good, but drops off after the 3rd round.
Looks like the Bucs are now waiting for the 5th rd to get a WR or G/C.
April 24th, 2020 at 6:49 pm
All you morons won’t be crying if Wirfs becomes an All Pro player.
You don’t know anymore than anyone else.
Let it play out the next 10 years.