So What About Matt Gay?

March 5th, 2020

Limited fault

Joe gets this a lot, so Joe decided to do a bit of research.

Whenever someone brings up all the picks by Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, those who want to bring him back for 2020 (and beyond?) often blame Bucs rookie kicker Matt Gay for choking away games and preventing the Bucs from having at least a .500 record.

Gay was one of five NFL kickers who attempted at least 30 field goals last year and made 77 percent or less of their attempts. Gay had the 77 percent. Of those five kickers, only San Francisco’s Robbie Gould (74 percent) was on a playoff team.

We all know Gay choked badly against the Giants in a game the Bucs should have won in a laugher if they had any decent running backs or simply if Bucco Bruce Arians had kept his foot on the gas. Still, that doesn’t let Gay off the hook there.

In an overtime loss to Seattle, Gay missed a 50-yard attempt at the end of the first half. The Bucs led at halftime 21-13 so Joe cannot hang Gay for that loss.

Against Houston where Jameis was largely horrendous, the Bucs lost 23-20 in a game where the only Bucs’ score in the second half was a Gay 41-yard field goal. Gay did miss one field goal, a blocked 54-yard attempt midway through the first quarter. Hard to pin Gay for that loss.

In the final game of the season, Gay was truly awful. Gay missed kicks of 49, 44 and 34 yards in a game that was lost in overtime when Jameis threw a pick-six. If Gay just makes one of those field goals the game likely doesn’t see overtime.

And had the Bucs beat the Dixie Chicks that December afternoon, you wouldn’t hear half the bellyaching about Jameis that is going on now.

Did Gay have a bad season? Yes! Did he prevent the Bucs from a winning record? To be fair, no. But Gay did keep the Bucs from an 8-8 record. And in the wake of that awful kicking a guy like Jameis not only may lose his job, but also tens of millions of dollars.

This seemingly never-ending nightmare of Bucs kickers has gone past the point of being a dark comedy.


100 Responses to “So What About Matt Gay?”

  1. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    That last falcons game was not some Jameis HOF moment game; I am guessing people forget the great grabs perriman made to allow jameis to throw TDs that game. So to say Jameis thre 30 ints and maybe 12 were not his fault there were also 12-15 throws that should have been picked last season and definitely that heave, jameis threw up for anyone but somehow perriman came down with it.

  2. '79 Defense Says:

    Couldn’t agree more. They win that game against Atlanta in regulation (Gay makes the kicks), then no 30th intercepttion and not nearly all of the hysterics.

    People will say it’s his complete resume they look at with Jameis, but I maintain that the way the Atlanta game ended might be what ends Jameis’ career with the Bucs.

  3. George Rauh Says:

    The last game killed him. Gay had a 85% field goal rate up to that point. He made a long of 58 and was one of the best kickers over 50 yards. Gay will be fine.

  4. Formerly Tampa 2 Says:

    It was Gay’s rookie year so he should get a pass. He will be better in 2020. The Winston lovers like to divert blame from Winston to Gay on losses, and he was horrible in the Atlanta game. However, like the rest of the 2019 rookies, they showed promise and we are all confident in them for 2020. Winston’s rookie season was understandable because he was a rookie and we all thought he would be great. But year after year and coach after coach has shown the Winston will simply be what he has been for 5 years, a losing QB with potential enough to make a coach think that he can “fix” him. Hopefully, the Bucs realize that another team needs to try and fix the un-fixable.

  5. Pewter power Says:

    Dude you serious? You think this debate wouldn’t rage on if we were 8-8? Wow the logic of the truly insane if our freaking rookie kicker hadn’t missed a kick winston would have never thrown the pick 6 hahaha omg your are truly delusional.

    I’ve never heard of a kicker being blamed for a team not having a winning season except in tampa. Just imagine all the stories this site is suppressing because they want this debate to rage on. You cant be that dumb

    We didnt lose in seattle Russell wilson beat us theres a difference that’s what real franchise quarterbacks do not have the media hide a horrible quarterback behind excuses of fake news like a bad o line, run game and kicker. Winston is pure garbage or he wouldn’t be a third option to return

  6. Tbbucs3 Says:

    Lost us 2 games but fans have such low kicking standards around here that they think he’s good because anything looks good next to Aguayo and Nick Folk.

    Connor Barth and Patt Murray are the only kickers in recent memory who haven’t had mental breakdowns on the field. But Licht dumped them.

  7. Tbbucs3 Says:

    Matt Gay literally left 9 points on the board in the Falcons game. He’s the main reason why we lost that game its not even up for dispute.

  8. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    short leash

  9. Tbbucs3 Says:

    ” the logic of the truly insane if our freaking rookie kicker hadn’t missed a kick winston would have never thrown the pick 6 hahaha omg your are truly delusional.”

    Actually that makes perfect sense, that game doesn’t go into overtime if Gay simply does 1/3rd of his job.

  10. Bruce Blahak Says:

    Holy flippin Hell…Jameis Joe is in love with WinSTUNNED, only explanation…every excuse in the book has been used, and multiple times, for a BACKUP QB! That’s where he ends up. One more week to end this travesty of a QB situation…

  11. Bruce Blahak Says:

    * 2 weeks, I mean

  12. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Sure…..he cost us a couple of close games…….but you can always blame the obvious…..missed kicks, fumbles…..interceptions….a terrible penalty at the wrong time…
    But…it’s truly the overall play throughout the game that wins or loses games…..defense not holding…..offense becoming impotent for the entire second half….playcalling……gameplans….

    And…..we continue to have this narrative from Joe in the Giants game that we should have thrown or run the ball at the end of the game……BS……we went for a chip shot FG to win… every coach in the NFL would call….it’s done all the time….setting up for the FG deliberately………Gay just missed….

  13. Stanglassman Says:

    If he lost the Giant and Falcon last game how did he not prevent the Bucs from having a losing season? I agree completely that had he made one of three in that final game there’d be a hell of a lot less belly aching about Jameis. I’d also add that the defense also gave up a long TD drive at the end of regulation when they seemed more interested in celebrating Shaw’s sack record than stopping the TD.
    All that said I think Gay will be a good kicker in this league, hopefully with the Bucs. That shouldn’t prevent the Bucs from going into camp with a little competition.

  14. Mr. Reality Says:

    Winston had a chance to chance to save Matt Gay’s missed kicks debacle versus ATL. Something the team captain, veteran, first overall pick could have and should have done. Instead, Winston threw the poor rookie under the bus by throwing yet another pick six. Shameis!

  15. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Bucs are looking at other QB’s because of Jameis’ performance.
    It has nothing to do with Matt Gay

  16. D-Rome Says:

    And had the Bucs beat the Dixie Chicks that December afternoon, you wouldn’t hear half the bellyaching about Jameis that is going on now.

    That’s not true.

    Unreasonable Joe, you write as if one were to throw away the final two games that no one would call into question his decision making and his ability to play consistently. Even if you throw away the final two games he *STILL* would lead the NFL in turnovers. The fact that he hasn’t been extended already shows that he’s a first round bust.

  17. D-Rome Says:

    Bucs are looking at other QB’s because of Jameis’ performance.
    It has nothing to do with Matt Gay

    I don’t know why this is hard to understand for some people. He’s being evaluated by how he performed his job. Even if you take away the last two games how he has performed and improved at his job over the past five years is being evaluated. Even without those last two games his decision making and performance was still suspect over his career including this season.

  18. Mr. Reality Says:

    To say had Gay made one kick we wouldn’t hear half the Winston bellyaching going on now is the dumbest thing ever written on this site. The INTs were a problem with Winston while Gay was in high school. And they are a problem five years later.

    This is why so many losers like Jameis get off the hook…how about expecting a little accountability for a change, Joe. Instead, you continue to prop Winston up for things he is not.

    Gay has his own problems, but to even suggest he has anything to do with Winston’s BS going on for years shows how dumb this Joe is. And Joe thinks that somehow others would have glossed over Winston’s serious issues…OMG that is stupid.

  19. Says:

    In an alternate universe, Tampa wins the NFC title because of the play of Jameis. But we live in this one… Blame the picks and the kicks!

  20. Pewter power Says:

    Ok so the games should play out the exact same way just change the kicker making his kicks but everything else remains the same? Lol the other team doesnt change up their strategy at all to compensate being down more points? Uh ok no that doesn’t sound stupid or unrealistic at all.

    Damn basically what you nuthuggers are saying is swap out the kicker or he make 3-4 more kicks and maybe we go 8-8. Wow nuthuggers wouldn’t that be quite the accomplishment for a loser like winston.

    This article doesnt change the fact that he is without a contract and they dont think he is worth franchise tag money and that my friends is not debatable. You think the coach is trying to drive his price down like he didnt accomplish that with the interceptions. Winston is the bucs problem which is why he is the one they are trying to replace. If all else fails he’ll be resigned maybe🤣🤣🤣🤣

  21. 813bucboi Says:

    the last game was both their fault……gay missed kicks and JW threw 2 picks….that was the game in a nutshell….

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  22. WillieG Says:

    Why is it Joe can accurately and concisely break down all of Gay’s kicks as well as their impact on the various games but he cannot break down all of Winston’s picks, fumbles, and stupid penalties, as well as their impact on the games?

    The local fish wrap did just that and credited Winston with 6 losses.

  23. SC Bucs Fan Says:

    Gay makes the kicks against the Falcons and we have a worse draft pick

  24. Hodad Says:

    Maybe Gay should be the QB, and Jameis should be the kicker? After seeing Berto have a terrible rookie season, and he was a 2nd round pick, Licht was foolish enough to start another rookie kicker in an all important year. Licht’s the one to blame for repeating the same mistake. Licht loved Gays big leg, but what good is kicking it 60 yards if you can’t hit 33 yard extra points? Just like Winston’s big arm if he keeps throwing it to the other team? Both Jameis, and Gay haven’t lived up to their draft status. Let’s point the spotlight on the guy who picked them, Licht. It’s not their fault one’s a turnover machine, the other misses kicks. It’s Licht’s fault for picking them in the first place.

  25. Craig Says:

    Only a couple of kickers are consistently good at over 50 yards field goals. Gay has the leg but didn’t have the accuracy last season.

    He will be better because he will have a year with the NFL’s narrower goal posts and has now played through a sixteen game season.

    Last season he helped the Bucs lose two games, both could have been won with a decent QB. The hardest thing about who lost is the Gay was a rookie and Jameis was in his fifth year. If you want it in black and white, Gay directly contributed to two losses, Jameis directly contributed to six losses.

    That is the bottom line.

  26. Mort Says:

    Gay was a rookie. If he doesn’t improve this year, let’s talk about replacement. He will be better in year 2 – like every other rookie.

  27. Big_Bucs Says:

    You guys do realize if he made the kicks in the NYG, Seattle, and Atlanta games Tampa would be sitting at 10-6 right? Regardless if Winston threw 30 Ints nobody would be talking about it because Tampa would have been in the wildcard race. I’m sorry he gets no pass for me and to say he is a rookie is not an excuse. He has only one job and thats to kick. Much as the fans blame Jameis look at the NYG games. Lead the offense down the field and what happens? BA gets cocky and takes his foot off the gas with 1 timeout left. I would have took ran a play or two. Its been a lot of games the Kicker has cost many losses in since Jameis has been in Tampa. Lets not forget he missed damn near every kick the 1st time playing in Atlanta. 0-3 in PATs and 1 block.

  28. Ghost of Darrell Henderson Says:

    Gay cost them at least two games. Kickers are supposed to win games.

    He’s also one of the worst extra point kickers I’ve ever seen.

    I like that kicker from Valdosta State in the Shrine Bowl.

    Fire the cannons! Fire the head case kicker!

  29. Joe in Michigan Says:

    Wow, if we got rid of every guy that didn’t live up to expectations early on, we would’ve cut Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, Ronde Barber, John Lynch, etc. The kid was a rookie, and had some bright moments, and has a strong leg. He did cost us some games, no doubt.

  30. RagingBrisket Says:

    Been trying to figure out who, if anyone, is in charge of evaluating talent and signing kickers to start for our football team that can competently and reliably kick? Surely someone manages this process generally!

  31. Ghost of Darrell Henderson Says:

    “Wow, if we got rid of every guy that didn’t live up to expectations early on,”

    Remember Snoop McPlaybook? 5th round Boise State?

    Cut your losses before they translate to the W-L record.

  32. Jerry Says:

    Ah Jameis, the sacrificial lamb, he must perish so Matt Gay can live.

    This is the side no one talks about when it comes to Winston, his selflessness to throw that pick 6 at the start of OT. He heard the fans chanting nasty things at Matt Gay and saw him on the verge of tears, so what did he do you ask? He walked up to the rookie, put his arm around him and said “they’ll forget about your kick in no time”. Ten minutes later we are chasing Jameis with pitchforks and Matt Gay gets a second chance.

    All praise Jameis the Selfless!

  33. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Tbbucs3 Says
    “Matt Gay literally left 9 points on the board in the Falcons game. He’s the main reason why we lost that game its not even up for dispute.”

    The fact that you point to only one game shows that he wasn’t bad the rest of the year…which he wasn’t.

    Matt Gay is a keeper. At least for this year too see how he responds. Remember, even hte best kickers in history have had bad rookie seasons.

  34. Danny Says:

    Would people have really felt better about 29 INTs?

  35. George Rauh Says:

    You can’t expect Mat to make every kick. No kicker make all their kicks. Kickers miss kicks thats what they do.

  36. Jonathan Limpchimpi Says:

    I trust Gay less than I do trying to fart when I have the flu. Zero faith he could make a game winner from just about any length. He’s fine when there’s no pressure…folds when there is.

  37. Tbbucs3 Says:


    Remember the Giants game? Is the margin for a good kicker when you only cost your team 2 games? I guess it is for the Bucs.

    It seems like the culture is still pretty weak around here where being average is acceptable.

  38. Tbbucs3 Says:

    The Giants game stung the most because playoffs were on the line. At least with the Falcons game the Yucs were already emilinated. Change the culture.

  39. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    No only Joe is saying 8-8. Reasonable fans know that if Gay makes a few more kicks they finish 9-7.

  40. Joe in Michigan Says:

    Darrell Henderson should’ve been cut too, but sometimes you have to give them a second year to improve.

  41. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    And George, in the NFL you should expect every kicker to make chip shots to win games and not to miss 3 kicks in a single game.

  42. Jonzey Says:

    Winston threw picks yes but at the beginning of the season our defense of backs were horrible. Toward the middle the defense stepped it up and our running game remained the same. We had lineman and both pro bowl receivers was hurt. Our kicker toward the middle of the season started missing easy kicks after Winston took the offense down the field to win the game. Sign Winston

  43. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    I mean you could blame multiple things for why those games were lost. To say if gay made two kicks Winston would be golden is asinine. JoeJameisFan knows no bounds

  44. catcard202 Says:

    The 77% FG conversion rate from Licht’s 2019 5th Rd Pick K – that had pre-existing confidence/depression issues …Is barely better than the 71% conversion rate thrown up by Roberto Aguayo – The same K this FO though was worth trading away 3rd & 4th Rd picks to move up into the 2nd Rd for in 2016.

    Granted – Gay’s leg is stronger…But if 77% on FG’s wasn’t alarming enough – he also carried a XP conversion rate of less than 90%…I mean, Aguayo missed 7 FG’s & 2 XP’s in 2016…And got cut before the 2017 season.

    Gay missed 8 FG’s & 5 XP’s in 2019….???

    I find this mind boggling…These types get Drafted & a clutch SEC proven K like Austin MacGinnis still cannot get a NFL cup of coffee, when he’s could be signed off the street for base coin.

    (Though, thanks to the XFL…and his 100% FG & XP conversion rate for the Dallas Renegades – Maybe he gets a shot in 2020.)

  45. Tom Says:

    I’m sure its been said on here before, but some of the people complaining about Winston’s pick 6 against the Falcons, also complained about Winston’s TD to Godwin against the Saints. The season ended, nobody got hurt in a meanless overtime, and we get a little bit better draft pick.

  46. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    With a couple of games left in the season, I remember thinking to myself… “FINALLY… we have a Kicker that we can rely on for the next 10 years.”

    That Falcons game shook my faith a bit.

    The guy has a cannon for a leg and we know he can regularly hit them from 55 yards. But his performance in the clutch has got me VERY concerned.

  47. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Easily one of the most absurd posts by one of the Joes I’ve read here.

    FIRST…no ONE player wins or loses an NFL game but some have a major hand in the outcome.

    Usually a couple of points of judgement…did a play end a game and even an entire season and perhaps JW’s career in Tampa. Rightly or wrongly far more importance is attached to the final or critical play.

    Next point of judgement are the stats…is a guy consistently bad…JW…uh in terms of turnovers is five years not enough?

    Gay was NOT consistently bad…his “bad” was that he was inconsistent. He clearly had the leg and skill set. This year we will find out if he has the experience to not choke again in ANY games.

    However by the JW standard does this mean Gay gets another four years? He did kick the longest FG in Heinz Field history at 55 and he added a 58 yarder in the regular season. IE Like “Blameless” Gay has some flashy stats to go with his misses. Do we not want to give him four more years like JW to see if he can connect on enough 50+ yarders to offset his misses?

  48. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Joe in Michigan Says:
    “Wow, if we got rid of every guy that didn’t live up to expectations early on, we would’ve cut Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, Ronde Barber, John Lynch, etc. The kid was a rookie…”


    Extremely well said. — More recently, you can add Vita Vea to that list. Remember everyone calling him a bust last year? Well… not everyone.

  49. Waterboy Says:

    Gay missed a couple kicks in another game too and fortunately got do-overs because of penalties but his bad performance has nothing to do with the 30 INT’s. Those missed kicks may have had an impact on the win-loss record but don’t excuse the 6 pick 6’s and 30 INT’s. If we’re being honest they both need to have competition or be replaced.

  50. Cgmaster27 Says:

    @pewter power we know simple math is a struggle for you Jameis haters, but if matt gay mskes one kick, the game doesnt go into overtime. This isnt difficult to understand.

  51. Pewter power Says:

    Even winston knows that when you throw a pick 6 on the last game of the season you cant blame the loss on plays earlier in the game. Winston KNOWS he cant say that loss was on matt gay.

    Regardless of the missed kicks we had the ball in our possession with a chance to win the game period end of debate. The very moment you throw a pick 6 in overtime the loss is your fault. Is anyone blaming rojo for fumbles in a lose? Perriman for dropped touchdown pass? No you shouldn’t because it’s always about the next play you cant dwell on false starts and missed kicks or defense giving up an easy score not when you have the ball with a chance to make a play yourself

  52. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Pewter power Says:
    “Winston KNOWS he cant say that loss was on matt gay.”


    No doubt, and Jameis is the FIRST ONE to have a guy’s back for something like that. He is good with his teammates that way, and it is another element that I am really going to miss (if the time has come.)

  53. AlabamaBucsFan Says:

    The Kid has a strong leg, something you cannot teach. It is all mental as he has more problems with the shorter range than the longer one. Hopefully with his rookie season behind him, he’ll have a breakout year.

  54. DBS Says:

    Your boy chokes in Atlanta too. But in Seattle it was if had we won the toss Jameis WOULD have taken us down the field and won. So in overtime it backfires and he does does exactly what at least 90% of us know he would have done in Seattle. You can talk all you want and the record could have also been better without the games Jameis and his 30 picks and how many points gave away?

  55. BucEmUp Says:

    Id bring him back for at least through training camp with his leg, he wasnt even a career kicker give more season

  56. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    It’s funny that people think Jameis Winston is an Angel for not throwing people under the bus. He is a QB the position with the most responsibility. He isn’t showing the composure and decision making needed to handle it as a 5 year vet.

  57. Buc4evr Says:

    The guy is a total headcase, I don’t care how strong his leg is. He chokes and can’t even make short ones. He should have been cut after the Atlanta game. Let’s get a vet that still can make every extra point and chip shot and doesn’t have mental issues. The guy loses games and needs to be gone.

  58. Beeej Says:

    Gay gets one more season, IMO. We decided Neil O’Donoghue wasn’t good enough, and he proceeded to kick for St Louis for a decade. We decided Matt Bryant wasn’t good enough, and HE proceeded to kick for Atlanta for a decade

  59. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Tampabuscsbro Says:
    “It’s funny that people think Jameis Winston is an Angel for not throwing people under the bus.”


    If that is in response to what I said….. I didn’t call him “an angel”, lol. C’mon man. But the way that he treats his teammates and other people in the organization is definitely beyond the norm. — Does it excuse picks? No. — Just an observation about the guy.

  60. Defense Rules Says:

    @Joe … “And in the wake of that awful kicking a guy like Jameis not only may lose his job, but also tens of millions of dollars.”

    So a rookie kicker who missed 3 FGs in a game (not good BTW) might be responsible for Jameis losing his job and tons of money? Hmmm, Jameis’ 2 INTs & RoJo’s fumble lost that led to a Falcons’ FG apparently don’t count?

    Had Jameis not thrown that last Pick-6 and had we gone on to win that Atlanta game, Jameis STILL would’ve finished the season with 29 INTs (including 6 Pick-6s). Somehow I don’t think that last Pick-6 put this whole issue of Jameis returning over-the-top. Just a guess though. Now on the other hand, Jameis’ insistence that ‘He be ballin’ and his demand for $30 mil plus MIGHT just have put this whole thing over the top. I think the approrpiate word is ‘delusional’.

  61. Bob in Brandon Says:

    I love Matt’s leg strength, but cmon man, what a choker. I knew from the first clutch miss against the Giants, he was not the guy.

    We have to find a clutch kicker. Percentages are important but when in the game and the circumstances around each kick is what separates good from bad kickers.

    Gay is not clutch, this is evident. Find us a kicker who doesn’t miss at the end of halves and games please

  62. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    ^^^ It’s not unusual to see that in the Rookie year.
    We will find out next season.

  63. Tbbucs3 Says:

    So many excuses for mediocre players on this website…….

    Matt Gays just a rookie
    ROJO has a bad Oline
    Our defensive backs are too young.

    Maybe these guys are just not that good?

  64. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    ^ The young defensive backs are not good? You are one of the few that thinks that. — And did you say the same about Vita Vea in his rookie season?… that he was bust?

    Some players need time. It has been that way for 100 years.

  65. Tbbucs3 Says:


    We still have no clue how good these DBs are because it’s only a limited sample size and they were absolutely toasted in 1st half.

    Carlton Davis has played a lot and has been solid, not great but solid.
    Jamal Dean will be a solid system zone CB like Mike Jenkins in his prime but is unlikely to be a lockdown Superstar.
    SMB is unknown as he has played very few snaps.

    It’s all still unknown but they were bad for half the season.

  66. Tbbucs3 Says:

    And I like Vita, but I will always maintain that we should’ve drafted Derwin James said it then and am saying it now.

  67. Rod Munch Says:

    Gay will be fine – the Bucs should, and will, stick with him. But the guy lost 2 games for the Bucs completely by himself. The Bucs, at worst, should have been 9-7, and if you count the Titans game the refs stole, they’re 10-6. That’s with a defense that didn’t show-up for half the year and losing two pro-bowl WRs down the strech.

    The team is really close to being an elite team – which is why I’m picking them for 11-5 next year if Winston returns (and again, I’m not a homer when it comes to pick, I haven’t picked anything more than 9-7 since 2004). I think Winston continues to get points, should be top 3-5 yet again, and cut downs on turnovers. Meanwhile I think Gay finally makes a game winning kick for the first time in his life (he’s never made a game winner at any level, ever). Also the defense then builds on how they ended last year and everyone is excited to finally have winning football.

    Well not everyone, the triggered anti-Winston morons will be throwing a fit wanting the team to lose because they’d rather the Bucs fail than have Winston at QB. They’re literally that deranged.

  68. mark2001 Says:

    Totally unfair Joe…if Jameis is Mr. Excitement because you never know when he will throw a TD or pick 6 and rip our hearts out, why isn’t Matt Gay Mr. Excitement2, or Mr. Gay Excitement. He will make a 50 plus kick then rip your heart out with a missed game winning kick.

    I know he isn’t the lowest percentage in the league, and though Jameis may be the league leader, that doens’t exclude him from the moniker.

    Both guys are equally capable of blowing games, big time. Just because Gay is a rookie, doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve the same treatment of a player that has perfected the art over five years.

  69. Joe in Michigan Says:

    Rod Munch: Agreed.

  70. Joe in Michigan Says:

    Tampa Bay Demon:No doubt, and Jameis is the FIRST ONE to have a guy’s back for something like that. He is good with his teammates that way, and it is another element that I am really going to miss (if the time has come.)

    Sometimes you don’t know what you had until it’s gone (and you have worse). I’d like for Jameis to have another year, another year in BA’s offense (the 5 years comments are BS, IMHO, he didn’t have terrible interception totals in the first 4 years).

  71. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Tbbucs3 Says:

    We still have no clue how good these DBs are because it’s only a limited sample size and they were absolutely toasted in 1st half.”


    Fair enough, Tbbucs3.
    The sky does look bright, though.
    We have not seen young ballhawks like that in a long time.

  72. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    Joe in Michigan Says:

    March 5th, 2020 at 1:55 pm
    “Sometimes you don’t know what you had until it’s gone (and you have worse). I’d like for Jameis to have another year, another year”


    I hear ya man.

    Another thing people will miss is a QB who never throws it short of the sticks on 3rd down, and is able to regularly convert 3rd and 15’s. — You just don’t get that from every QB. — We have had many around here who didn’t do ANY of that.

    Granted, we can’t excuse the number of picks. We all get that.

    But yes, you are right, there are many positives to his game that we have taken for granted.

  73. mark2001 Says:

    Honestly, I don’t think Jameis can currently play well enough against good teams to win more than one or two games in a row without imploding.

    But I could be wrong…and if we wanted to try a 20 mil. tops experiment to see if he can grow out of his proclivity to throw game castrating picks, I’m fine with that.

    But it doesn’t sound like that is the plan for either party.

  74. Stanglassman Says:

    Just so it’s clear to everyone AGAIN.. Jameis never claimed he’d be ballin’ in reference to himself or his year. He was ask about coming back next year and the team being able to resign all the free agents. His answer was that he thought they’d all be back and they’d be ballin’. He wasn’t bragging about his play in 2019.

  75. Defense Rules Says:

    Stanglassman … Just relooked at that video. His EXACT quote was ..

    “You look at MY numbers. I’m ballin”. Glad you could clear that up for everyone AGAIN though.

  76. mark2001 Says:

    D Rules…thanks for clearing that up…just like the “must be 25 for Lasik” comments, where people just make things up. Glad you are here to make sure the truth prevails.

  77. Bob in Valrico Says:

    When your franchise QB has 1 TD and 5 INT’s when we were behind by 7. It highlights a more serious problem than just the kicker missing kicks at the end of the game. The job of the franchise QB is to lead the team to game winning TD’s
    not field goal attempts. Its hard to win in the NFL when you have 10 INT’s in the 1 st Quarter and 10 INT’s in 4 th quarter..

  78. Bob in Valrico Says:

    edit: behind by 7 or less
    And by the way Joe, Jameis has to make the 3rd and 5 completion at the 12 minute mark of the fourth quarter at the Giants 30 yard line. This is a classic example of an INT at the worst possible time that was thrown right at the safety.

  79. 541BucsFan Says:

    Blaming the kicker is so Gay.

    (Really? No one? Just me. Okay, I’m off to another sensitivity training class.)

  80. Wesley Says:

    Didn’t Jameis have 3 picks in that Falcons game?

  81. SOEbuc Says:

    Coming out as a rookie starting kicker with a brand new coaching squad can make you nervous your first year. Second year he will step his game up from more practice and coaching. And he’s got a boot. Hope this happens or It’ll be another addition to the kicker grave.

  82. HeavyE Says:

    Of course he gets a pass, and we all know why? Why does every article always ends up talking about Jameis, instead of talking about the issue at hand???

  83. CPN Says:

    We should call Matt Gay, America’s Kicker.

    You never know if he’ll kick the ball in between the uprights.

    Daily Reminder: Bruce Arians took a delay of game penalty to back up the kicker so Matt Gay would have an easier time kicking a FG around the 30 yard line.

  84. SB Says:

    I’ve never heard of a kicker being blamed for a team not having a winning season except in tampa. Just imagine all the stories this site is suppressing because they want this debate to rage on. You cant be that dumb


    Truer words have Never been spoken!

  85. SB Says:

    Tbbucs3 Says:
    March 5th, 2020 at 8:18 am
    Matt Gay literally left 9 points on the board in the Falcons game. He’s the main reason why we lost that game its not even up for dispute.


    Idiot!!!!!!!! The #1, overall Draft pick, Heisman winner, National Championship winner, Most NFL Ready, Generational Talent got the ball FIRST in OT. First throw was a Pick 6.
    Learn more about football before you post is just a suggestion.

  86. Tbbucs3 Says:


    You gotta do some research on the NFL and realize how valuable 9 points are in the NFL (Not to mention when 2 of your best WRs are out and your working with scraps)

    Get back to me when you do

  87. Tbbucs3 Says:

    The starting WR core of…..wait for it…….

    1- Breshad Perriman
    2- Justin Watson
    3- Scotty Miller
    4- ??? and God knows who

    Is not an NFL WR core and I dont even know if thats good in the XFL and you absolutely need your kicker to make those kicks given these circumstances. It really is amazing when even had a chance to win those WK 16 +17 games.

  88. SB Says:

    I am back right now. JW gave up a hundred points or more this yr.
    Did anyone else do that?
    Dude. When you are the NUMBER ONE OVERALL DRAFT PICK you overcome a kickers woes. Did you bump your head too many times. Do you think Brady or Rodgers or Mahomes would get the ball first in OT and throw a Pick 6 on their first throw?
    C’mon Man!

  89. SB Says:

    Clutch Players don’t lose the game when they have the chance to win it.
    “Franchise QBs” especially

  90. Tbbucs3 Says:


    You wanna make the argument that a WR core of Breshad Perriman, Justin Watson and Scotty Miller is good? That would literally be the 32rd best WR group in the NFL.

  91. Fb Says:

    Obviously a long list of comments I haven’t read, so just reiterating the obvious, Jameis cost himself money, no one else. No evaluations had there head up you know where just looking at stat columns. They didn’t rely on that, the see Jameis for what he is

  92. catcard202 Says:

    SB…Just riddle me this.

    If Gay hits 1 of his 3 missed FG in that Falcon’s game…Does JW3 throw a pick in OT??? No, Bucs win in regulation.

    If Gay doesn’t shank his 1st XP & get 2nd XP blocked (low kick) against the NYG…Does Daniel Jones get his 1st career win??? No, Bucs win 33-32.

    Does that absolve JW3 for his INT’s & Pick6’s through out the year…No, but it was the difference between 9-7 & 7-9, even w/ JW3 being the sole 30/30 club QB.

  93. SB Says:

    Chicken or the egg?

    A Franchise QB doesn’t give a Rat’s A$$ if the FG kicker missed three FGs’
    When a winner gets the ball in his hands with the game on the line he WINS!

  94. D1 Says:


    I’m curious , if gay made the extra point vs the Giants that’s a tied game. If the other wasn’t blocked , do you think it’s not going to change the Giants decision to go for 1? What if the Giants went for 2 and we’re successful, then it’s not the same discussion as you claim .

    Same with Atlanta. You really believe that everything stays the same except for one play? I’m going with yes because that’s how you are arguing it.

    But ultimately, it’s ridiculous to play the what if game . It is just as easy to use another play that didn’t happen and claim if it did, we’d have won. Seriously,
    does this fantasy football help you in any way? I don’t understand why it’s so important to argue about something that didn’t happen. (I’m replying to your post but anyone who has taken the same position feel free to answer). You guys are insulting each other and taking this like it s a legitimate debate.
    It’s not!

  95. Tbbucs3 Says:

    ^ Clueless…..the NFL is a bit harder than that get out of your fantasy world.

  96. D1 Says:


    I should add this, your posts are always solid and that’s why I’m curious about the fantasy football debate.

  97. D1 Says:


    Perriman, miller, Brate, watson..
    32nd in the league …


  98. SB Says:

    Bottom Focking line is that a truly confident leader when the score is 0 to 0 doesn’t throw a Pick 6 on the first shot!
    C’mon guys!!!! Licht likes Kickers. We have to deal with that. Our Franchise QB, Number One OverAll in the draft, Most NFL ready QB in the draft, Highest Football IQ “threw them out of games”
    as Sack Barrett put it.

  99. SB Says:

    OH and I want him back next year!

  100. catcard202 Says:

    D1… I was bored & like being an instigator at times. 🙂

    I get playing the woulda/shoulda/coulda leads to an argument over the infinite set of potential outcomes from changing 1-2 plays a game….However, there is no denying that Gay played a part in both the NYG & ALT loses…Even w/ JW3 mistakes, the Bucs may have came out on top – if he converts 2 XP against NYG & a chip shot FG against ALT.

    No one is huffing over missing a 58yd kick before half – but if the expectation for a QB1 is to take full blame for loses – when even with his mistakes he played well enough for the team to escape w/ a W if a K makes his kicks…Then K’s need to be held to a base line standard that XP’s & FG 46yds & in, should be damn near automatic conversions.

    77% on FG & 89% on XP…. That’s hard stats to look at, for a K.

    Aguayo got tanked for 71% FG & 94% XP (7 missed FG & 2 missed XP’s in 2016)…Gay in 2019 = 8 missed FG’s & 5 missed XP’s, to go along w/ #’s stated above.

    Meaning, he’s not much of an upgrade over a guy the FO drafted in the 2nd round, only to cut before yr2…After dumping a 3rd&4th round pick to trade back into the 2nd rd – because FO was afraid the NE Belicheats were going to take Aguayo there… (WHO DOES THAT???)

    Fact remains that in 2019..Gay was the #32 best NFL K @ XP conversion % & #31 @ FG conversion %.