Peter King: London Sank Jameis, Who Became The Bucs’ Third Choice

March 23rd, 2020

NBC Sports uber NFL insider and Hall of Fame voter Peter King was working his cell phone this week securing the Tom Brady story from the Bucs.

And of course, the Brady tale includes the Tampa Bay demise of America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston.

Per King, the Jameis era began unraveling October 13 in London, when the Bucs in Week 6 were mauled by a poor Panthers team and newbie QB Kyle Allen. Jameis threw five interceptions and had one of two fumbles recovered.

“After the London game, scouts got to work in earnest dissecting tape of any quarterbacks who might be available after the season,” King wrote. “Teddy Bridgewater. Andy Dalton. Ryan Tannehill. Marcus Mariota. Philip Rivers. And Tom Brady. It’s work they might have done anyway; the London game was a spur. The last two games gave the search immediacy, and the four QB-braintrust of offensive coaches (Arians, offensive coordinator Byron Leftwich, QB coach Clyde Christensen, offensive analyst Tom Moore) began their analyses after the season. Several commented that they’d never seen a market with this many starters available. That’s because there never has been.”

The Bucs studied the highs and lows of Jameis following the London debacle, as well as the rest of the quarterback market. King said they settled on a priority list at the position: Tom Brady, followed by Teddy Bridgewater and Jameis.

That’s a different list peddled by beat writer Rick Stroud, who is known for towing the Bucs company line. He had Rivers as the Bucs’ No. 3 choice.

“Why Winston, still, at three? Because Arians loved him as a worker and competitor, and he had hope that he could be saved, and he knew the locker room loved him,” King wrote. “Arians was still optimistic he could get Winston to buy into the art of the checkdown if they had to, and the teaching of Moore, who preached, “You never go broke putting money in the bank.” But it was clear to those around the building that the Bucs needed to try to get Brady—and if it looked like a shot in the dark by the legal tampering period, then they’d move on to Bridgewater. They were optimistic they could get Bridgewater if they whiffed on Brady.”

Hey, the Bucs had a plan and came out on top with an upgrade at the game’s most important position. It’s a happy story. Joe’s just hoping it doesn’t turn into a typical Bucs story.

77 Responses to “Peter King: London Sank Jameis, Who Became The Bucs’ Third Choice”

  1. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Derrick Sharp..SSITE

  2. Hodad Says:

    I really doubt Jameis was the third option. So far in free agency he hasn’t even been any teams last resort. Nice try tho Joe. Your boy is gone, truth is, no one wants him.

  3. Cannon Says:

    I said to my brother last week… “being a Bucs fan is landing Tom Brady as your QB, only to have the season cancelled due to a global pandemic”

    Here’s to hoping that doesn’t happen.

  4. Totally Exonerated Again Says:

    So they really did look into Andy Dalton. How bout that

  5. D-Rome Says:

    Jay-Miss is a bust. Let him go.

  6. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I am so tired of people saying the season might be cancelled. There is no way that would happen.

    At worst, rosters would temporarily be expanded, weekly testing would happen, and games would be played without fans.

    No way the NFL misses out on all of that money.

    Stop living in fear, people.

  7. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    On topic, I still think we might see Jameis return as a backup once he realizes the market is so limited.

    The bridge is not burned.

  8. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I also think he’d have been signed elsewhere by now in a normal year.

  9. MidwestBucsFan Says:

    Regardless on what one has personally concluded on Tom Brady —
    It’s apparent the Bucs made the right now call not prioritizing Jameis as a signee, as no other NFL team seems to really think much of him right now in terms of JW joining their roster.

  10. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    When Jameis claimed he was “ballin'” and his team asked for $30 million, he sealed his fate….
    If he would have stated….”I blew it and I know it will cost me some money to stay…..I’m willing to take the hit”……maybe he could have been more strongly considered.

    I agree that continual testing of players and TV only games are more likely than a cancellation….after all, we are talking about 5 months…..if we still have this problem in 5 months, we will have much bigger problems than NFL games…..

  11. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    Not buying…….

    Jameis was never a third option……….PERIOD

  12. El Buco Realisto Says:

    In other words,, Coach Koetter was correct all along!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!

  13. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    ………………yeah and ask 30 Mil like his name was Aaron Rodgers was completely ridiculous too

    Jameis is delusional and needs alot of humble pie. He needs to sit and learn behind a true franchise QB

  14. westernbuc Says:

    I’d break my TV if it was Bridgewater. You can sell me on Brady, Rivers, Carr/Dalton with a rookie. Teddy makes no sense to me. He played 5 good games last year where he had a great running game and Sean Payton calling plays. He’d get neither of that in Tampa. As far as I can tell, Carolina is tanking. I was done with Jameis last year when he returned from suspension and sucked against the Bengals and Browns. But he has WAY more upside than Bridgewater.

  15. PSL Bob Says:

    The Real Bucs Story will be when the NFL cancels the 2020 season, with the GOAT never getting to play in a Bucs uniform. Isn’t that a Buc’s life?

  16. Robert Says:

    I think jw is done in the NFL, not for skill, but because he’s demonstrated so many times his lack of self and field awareness. stick a fork in him.

    I expect him to start the whole AB or CK routine soon.

  17. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    @ PSL Bob

    This won’t happen……… the time July comes around…..the virus will be on the down curve and restrictions will be lifted

    and the NFL will be booming along with the economy…’ll see

  18. Pete I Says:

    Jameis won’t be back in Tampa. No way anyone in the Bucs leadership could think that’s a good idea.

    A pointless distraction in an off season that will be full of many other distractions. Buccaneers bonsai is just whistling past the graveyard.

    This needs to be Brady’s team with out any demoted “w” eating, check your sheet because I’m ballin ex starter lurking about. A terrible idea. Clueless as NDOG would say.

    A recent NFL GM said the market for JW is ice-cold. Turnovers and baggage from the uber hassel and other issues off the field and the fact that they can’t talk with him face to face to feel him out doesn’t help.

  19. DoooshLaRue Says:


    Bonzai says so and he is NEVER wrong!

    Please pay attention people.

  20. Jf Says:

    Get tua to sit behind Brady to heal and learn

  21. D-Rome Says:

    I am so tired of people saying the season might be cancelled. There is no way that would happen.


    While I think the response is a bit over the top I have to think that if the Olympics are at risk of being cancelled then the NFL season could be at risk of being cancelled.

    I also think he’d have been signed elsewhere by now in a normal year.

    All 32 teams around the NFL are *still* signing and re-signing players except for Jameis Winston. I think his problem is that he’s too good to be a backup and not good enough to lead a team to wins. Any place he goes it’s going to be the 2014 and 2018 Bucs all over again. A QB controversy all season. Teams don’t want that.

  22. MTM Says:

    In 6 months the Winston articles will be gone. Thank God!!

  23. TOM Says:

    There is no way JW is back. For one thing the Bucs don’t have money to throw away on him. Even if they had the money it would have to be like maybe 6 or 7 mil tops.

  24. Pete I Says:

    I doubt the season will be cancelled, maybe moved back some, eventually we will see that this isolation won’t really help and that the “prevention” is worse than the Chinese disease as our economy crumbles to dust.

    Despite the panic we cannot stay at home throughout the whole of the summer and into fall, if we do then we better be prepared for a long term depression. This social distance stuff sounds like snake oil stuff. 6 feet won’t protect you forever.

  25. Stevebobucsfan Says:

    I am with you Joe I hope everything works out for my Bucs but, so many times I’ve seen great situations with the Bucs go sour over a short period of time. Let go Bucs and stack up some wins

  26. BucsminsterFuller Says:

    i had completely blocked out that London game.
    Thanks for the memories Joe.

  27. #1 Pick QB 2 Cent Brain Says:

    What some fans and Jameis apologist ignore is the QB position is about decision making more than anything else.

    And Jameis never improved in that area. Good QBs know where to go with the ball, call an audible, throw it away, take the sack, check it down, or not throw into double coverage that’s why no other team is looking at him

  28. Ndog Says:

    If this is true then this is more ridiculous than ever. Exactly two of the TOs in that Carolina game were solely on Jameis. In addition to that if we had a kicker at that point in the season we would have been 3-2 going into that game and let’s not forget in the previous two games before that game in the Rams game he won offensive player of the week and in the Saints game, while the offense as a whole sucked, James did not turn the ball over.

    So you are telling me that a team with a brand new coaching staff that should have been 3-2, playing on the road for the 3rd week in a row with two backup olinemen caused them to give up on a 25 year old QB when the team played like trash. Evans wasn’t coming back to passes, Scotty Miller ran a horrible clear out route that caused a pick, the QB got his arm hit which caused one pick and one was a freaking jump ball in the endzone to end the game with no chance to win the game.

    So if they really made a decision at that point then this organization is worse than I thought. But the reality is that is probably exactly what they did.

  29. Patrickbucs Says:

    That London game was really bad, among others.

    The NFL can postpone the start of the season as needed I would think. Sports and tv works around the NFL, so if they pushed back the start to October or November it will be fine. Not a ton of things generally going on for the most part in football stadiums on Sunday and Monday in the Winter.

    There’s a ton of preparation and travel for the Olympics compared to the NFL season, so what they do is not indicative of what the NFL will do.

  30. BrianBucs Says:

    I don’t believe even for a second that Winston was the 3rd option.
    With Winston, it’s addition by subtraction.

  31. SteveK Says:


    The first pass of the game was on Jameis.

    He fumbled on back to sack plays, losing the second one.

    He fired one fight in Keuchly’s breadbasket.

    He sailed another In the flat and former Buc Javien Elliot scooped it up.

    He also had two more.

    Which two were only his fault?

    How come no other QB has as many circus plays (turnovers)?

    Clearly the Bucs, and 31 other teams think it’s a Jameis Winston problem, hence why he remains unsigned.

  32. chris L Says:

    joe i was at that london game and i can tell you from that point i was done with jameis. he has at least 4 games a year where it is a complete meltdown and that was one of them. you think it was embarassing to be at home watching? being there was horrific and honestly one of the lowest points of being a fan. right from the first snap no less. not surprised by this at all.

  33. Bucsfan951 Says:

    NPUPPY, the best gm out there. So good, teams won’t even hire him. Now he can say he’s got 1 thing in common with JW.

    Again NPUPPY, WINSTON ISNT SIGNED TO A STARTING GIG!!! If he was that good, teams would be lining up for his services. Patriots took hoyer over JW. Bears traded for foles INSTEAD OF JW. My god, tannehill is signed long term and JW isn’t.

    All of this reality must really be keeping you up at night.


  34. Jf Says:

    N Dog that first int was Not on Godwin he sat in the correct part of the zone because he’s pretty damn good. If he had continued his route he would have run into double coverage and most likely been hammered. He made the correct play.

  35. Jf Says:

    Stop it. Get some help.

  36. Duthsty Rhothdes Says:

    Ndog, maybe if you become an NFL GM or HC you can go get jameis as your starter but as of now, the 32 nfl gms and HCs feel he is not an NFL starter. Time to lose the #5 FSU jersey and be a buc & TB12 fan.

  37. Ndog Says:

    No the first interception was on Jameis AND Evans as it was a tight throw and Evans waited for the ball while Bradberry broke on the ball. The second one one his arm was hit, the 3rd was a bad read by Jameis, the fourth was a horrible route by Miller allowing his man to jump the route and the fifth was a jump ball. Watch the tape it’s all pretty clear.

  38. Hethrew 30 Says:

    Third prize is “your fired.”

  39. Buc1987 Says:

    Scroll through the archives and you’ll find me saying ….

    Jameis lost me in London.

    That’s when I quit on him.

  40. Hethrew 30 Says:

    Ndog…who gives a sh1t he’s gone.

  41. Ndog Says:

    Guys this is not about how I feel these are FACTS. Simply watch the tape and these things are clear as a bell. In regards to Jameis not being on a team yet that has nothing to do with the FACTS I post. Just because he is gone it doesn’t change the truth. Just like everyone says Jameis was so bad in the last game when in reality he played just fine, including throwing the ball away to go for FGs, which of course we missed, instead of forcing the ball. He had two picks that game, on the first Watson clearly read the defense differently than Jameis and on the second, we should not have even been in OT, and the ball was tipped which I have said many times changes both the direction and speed of the ball so we have no idea what would have happened if it wasn’t tipped. Again these have no bearing on anything now but they are still FACTS that cannot be argued no matter who is here or not. So make your little childish remarks but nothing you say with make these FACTS not true or change who our current QB is so just let it go guys.

  42. LordCornelius Says:

    Didn’t coach Koetter want Mariota lol

  43. Hethrew 30 Says:

    Ndog, you should be more considerate about Jameis’s feelings, not your own. He is without a job solely because people badmouth him, and because he’s black, and the media doesn’t coddle him, and he has only his $21M made last year on which to survive. Where’s the humanity?

  44. jjbucfan Says:

    LC-Mariota was and is trash. He was benched long before JW threw for 5100 yards and 33 TD’s. I get you don’t like Winston but if that is your argument that Koetter was right… Well….

  45. Bucsfan951 Says:

    NPUPPY calls them fact… We and 32 gm’s call them EXCUSES!!!

    AGAIN NPUPPY, HE ISNT SIGNED!!! There’s a reason why. He is not starter material at this point.

    But you do more film breakdown than all gm’s I guess.


  46. Couch Fan Says:

    And here comes Ndummy blaming everybody but Jameis. The whole NFL world disagrees with his ridiculous BS but he’s smarter than all of them according to him. Im so surprised he doesnt have a job in the NFL since he’s sooooo football savy LMAO.

  47. Jmarkbuc Says:


    Let it go.

  48. Bucsfan951 Says:

    NPUPPY: 4 other qbs threw over 600 times last yr, just like jw. Dak was 4 passes short of 600. The highest int of those qbs (other than Winston) was Goff at 16 ints.

    So again, it’s not like the Bucs are asking Winston to do something that’s unheard of. What’s the excuse for this?

  49. Bird Says:

    I blame Arians partially for the carolina loss

    I mean any smart coach would have benched jameis after the 4th turnover

    I meAn how many times has someone turned the ball over 6 times in one game
    I mean thats not easy to do
    Its Almost impossible because that player usually watches the rest of the game from the bench

    But jameis be balling

  50. Pewter power Says:

    That was a horrible game and the Texans game sucked too just like the 49ers game. Elite QBs dont have games like that on the regular. People are praising him too much for eating up teams like Jacksonville, cardinals and the lions.

    Ndog…only bad quarterbacks have 4-5 interceptions on the regular, different between other guys and Winston is they aren’t given 5 years to fix the problem

  51. Jf Says:

    NDog: You’re real name is R. Darby isn’t it?

  52. Bobby M. Says:

    After yr 5….still trying to implement the check down? So the most “pro ready” QB in that draft still cant execute a basic check down after Koetter/Monken/Arians/Leftwich?

  53. German Buc Says:

    London was the only first nail in the coffin, JW escaped that mess. But the last two games – HOU and ATL – sealed #3’s fate!

  54. Natron Says:

    Ndog: It’s time to take down that 24 × 36 poster that’s on the ceiling above your bed

  55. Hethrew 30 Says:

    Jf…not Darby….Winston

  56. D-Rome Says:

    NDog, the decision goes far beyond stats. Let’s say you are right that only two turnovers in the London game are on him. You’re wrong, but let’s continue to stay in your fantasy land for a moment. How about his other decisions? He played a very careless game, the type of game no 5th year pro should have in today’s NFL.

    Let it go. He’s a bust. An unemployed bust at that.

  57. D-Rome Says:

    Ndog: It’s time to take down that 24 × 36 poster that’s on the ceiling above your bed

    Seriously! The overwhelming majority of people who wanted Jay-Miss back were FSU honks and people who invested a lot of money in Jay-Miss swag. He probably has a signed book by Jay-Miss1of1.

  58. bucsfaninoregon Says:

    At last some of you “Florida-based” Buc fans are beginning to wake up. For Bonzai….”I am so tired of people saying the season might be cancelled. There is no way that would happen”.
    BB, you may have not noticed in your home Buc-cave but the rest of the world is on fire. This virus is highly infectious and really attacks older people (AKA wealthy fans who attend games”. Have you seen ANYTHING regarding what is happening in Italy? They had the same attitude as those idiots on South Beach before the govt. shut it down. Watch what happens in NY this week!
    Blithely asserting that the NFL games will go on with no fans ignores one simple question: what happens when a Buc or Ram or Saint player gets it? Next man up? I don’t think so. The whole squad ill have to go into quarantine. The NBA saw the folly of this and cancelled the season. MLB players have gone home.
    Things will change when they have some viable vaccine and treatment plan for those that get it. Think that will happen in time for training camp this summer? You have been listening to too many Trump press conferences.
    Relax, Brady will be fully rested and ready to go in 2021.

  59. tickrdr Says:

    Actually, I am quite bemused by your consternation.
    So, please continue, and thanks.


  60. Ndog Says:

    Of course you call FACTS excuses cause you’re an idiot. Only idiots ignore FACTS and change the truth but thats ok I’ve known that about you since day one, so not surprised at all. And guys in case you didn’t notice this article is about Jameis which is why people are taking about him including me. I have no posters, jerseys, signed books or any autographs at all I just like to tell the truth and the truth is Jameis Winston is a very good QB with one flaw that he must continue to work on. BUT that does not take away from the FACT that he has put up remarkable numbers in his career and he was given basically zero support from the other phases of this team. His entire narrative would be 100% different if we won more games but that was simply not possible cause he literally had to play perfect football for us to win and in fact many times pretty much did and we still lost.

    Check this out, in 5 years in the NFL Jameis has lost 11 games in 72 games played with a passer rating of over 100.

    Peyton Manning only had 10 games lost in 266 games played when he had a passer rating over 100.

    Tom Brady only has only has 9 games lost in 285 games played when he had a passer rating over 100.

    So just think about for a moment, Jameis has more losses WHEN HE PLAYED REALLY GOOD FOOTBALL than Manning or Brady who have both played well over at least 150 games more than him. Just think about that for a minute and let that sink in.

  61. Mike Johnson Says:

    Jameis never had anybody to sit behind and learn. Arians comes in and falls behind defensively for the 1st 8 games. james was playing from behind in most of those games. Then Arians implemented his risk it biscuit BS. Had the guy slingin the ball 50 times a game to catch up. Its gonna be real in your face when jameis wins a superbowl like Williams, Dilfer, and Young did. Desperation is a mother…

  62. ATrain Says:



    You want a FACT


    FACT: Millions of Dollars are spent on NFL staffs purely to put the BEST Team together

    FACT: YOU are not one of these people

    So by the FACTS I can come up with an educated conclusion: THEY KNOW MORE THAN YOU

    Thank you for your opinions
    Watch old film as that maybe the only way you get to see your favorite player play

  63. HomerSimpsonRocks Says:

    How about we self quarantine our reading and comments regarding Ndog. Like nobody read his comments, nobody reply. Maybe he’ll just keep refreshing his twitter feed “Jameis Winston” and go away. Not a Bucs fan. Just a Aimless fan.

  64. Jmarkbuc Says:

    Doesn’t matter now what JW did or will do, we are

    Free at last, Free at last.

  65. Ndog Says:

    Ah Homer CLUELESS like the rest, bringing nothing of any value to the table. Hey aren’t you new, oh that’s right you are only here cause we now have Brady. So who’s not a fan, cause I have been hear for awhile pal and am not going anywhere.

  66. Ndog Says:


    Drew Brees, Steve Young, Doug Williams, Kurt Warner, Warren Moon, Johnny Unitas and many more all changed teams, I’m sure all those teams that didn’t want those players were right as well.

    Get a clue bro Jameis is 26 his career is far from over.

  67. Rod Munch Says:

    Peter King is literally the definition of fake news. Is there anyone that takes him seriously?

  68. 813bucboi Says:

    told yall clowns teddy was in play ….lol…

    GO BUCS!!!!

  69. 813bucboi Says:


    dont you and JW have a cage to crawl in?…….

    JW IS A BUST!!!!…get over it!!!!

    GO BUCS!!!!

  70. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Wow just wow!!!

    Bonzai and Pete…frequently people here share their backgrounds…personal and professional. So I know a Cardiologist…a retired fighter pilot…a writer…a musician with a hot band…lots and lots.

    Here’s is my question for you. Where did you get your degrees in epidemiology? Not to pick on you guys but you represent what is wrong in this nation. EVERYBODY is an expert…without any qualifications.

    Now if one of you is a physician…if my Cardiologist friend was posting that I would pay attention…but football fans…I would laugh except this is serious!!!

    I’m crushed by the threat to our season…as pointed out typical Buc luck!

    But I am a human first!!! I’m far more upset by the thousands and thousands of Americans who will die from this…face financial ruin..and for poor people a lot worse.

    Sorry but I do not believe… “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear”

    I do believe highly motivated scientists will figure out a vaccine…then it’s over but how long does that take.

    Ironically while people wish to slam the Chinese who did EXACTLY what we did wrong in terms of withholding information for PR reasons…are the very people working their butts of to find that magic bullet.

    The Doc who finally broke the scourge of HIV which had befuddled all scientists…a guy named Dr. HO…CHINESE…just received a 1.2 million grant from wait for it…a CHINESE billionaire (yeah who knew they had them there as well)to work the same magic for Covid as he did discovering the treatment for HIV.

    THERE ARE NO HEALTH EXPERTS WHO BELIEVE AS BONZAI OR PETE. Football is fine for opinions…our health is NOT!!!

    There are ONLY two way to end this…stop the spread..find the vaccine!! I HOPE we can accomplish this by this fall…but I am no expert and indeed the experts themselves cant’ be sure because we haven’t tested enough.

  71. stpetebucsfan Says:

    BTW Dr. Ho is a Chinese/American who works in either SC or NY.

  72. stpetebucsfan Says:


    Obviously we agree although I would counter we are ALL not like the deniers and dreamers.

    As you have figured we’re about to see who was correct. We let kids come from ALL over the nation…hang on each other on our beaches…in a state with the largest % of elderly in the nation…AZ may top us.

    FIVE spring breakers have already tested positive…and that was this time yesterday…today may be worse.

  73. Bucsfan951 Says:

    Again NPUPPY why haven’t you answered my question?

    4 other qbs threw over 600 times last yr, just like jw. Dak was 4 passes short of 600. The highest int of those qbs (other than Winston) was Goff at 16 ints.

    So again, it’s not like the Bucs are asking Winston to do something that’s unheard of. What’s the excuse for this?


  74. Bucnjim Says:

    There are only a hand full of loyalist left on this site. Have to hand it to them they are persistent in their argument. Freeman wasn’t nearly as good as Winston but in the end it came down to poor decision making from both of them.
    As far as the virus argument goes I know it’s touchy because it’s a numbers game no one will talk about. During war time it was called (by everyone) acceptable loses. What I mean by this is there was a flu virus in 2008 (h1n1) or the Swine Flu. I remember because I had it. Does anyone even remember it? Hardly because there were no shut downs no isolation no panic no hoarding no flight delays no hysteria and finger pointing. In the end there were 650,000 cases in the U.S. and 121,000 deaths across the country. Who knows what the total number of cases will be in the U.S. BUT I DO KNOW 10’s of MILLIONS of people will have lost something IF NOT EVERYTHING from CORONA VIRUS!

  75. Wesley Says:

    Jeff George=Jameis Winston minus the bad attitude.

  76. sincethebeginning Says:

    @Buc1987 same with me. The London game was it. I was done. I posted a tiny rant on JBF that day, too.

  77. Lamarcus Says:

    Coaching was done with him after like 4 games?