Two Years For Jameis?

February 21st, 2020

Intel on team strategy.

It seems the Bucs want Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston to return in 2020 and perhaps beyond.

However, the Bucs also seem to want to cover their backsides.

Jenna Laine of ESPN came out on Twitter yesterday to suggest the Bucs have internally discussed offering Jameis a short pact.

Joe has stated often a desire to franchise Bucs sack king Shaq Barrett and — if the transition tag is an option — hit Jameis with that. If not, then just sign Jameis.

It seems the suits at One Buc Palace are of the same mind.

Joe thinks a two-year contract for Jameis with a team out after the first year is both smart and telling. Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians, who will turn 68 this fall, has three more seasons left on his contract (the team has an option to bring him back for the 2023 season).

Anyone willing to lay cash on the table that Arians, who was forced out of the game after the 2017 season with health issues, is still coaching the Bucs in 2022 at age 70?

If Arians is still around in 2022, you can bet that is because the Bucs are winning.

And if the Bucs are winning with Jameis, he will be around even longer.

84 Responses to “Two Years For Jameis?”

  1. Rod Munch Says:

    I proposed this, but I don’t see how Winston goes for it. Also you’re going to have to overpay if you want a shorter contract, so that means $30m or more. Might as well guarantee the entire thing to get it done, since if Winston bombed, the team is being blown up, Arians quits, and it’s another half-decade rebuild.

    But if they can get a 2-year deal done, if Winston will sign it, then that’s a no brainer. From Winston’s side that really makes some sense as well since I have no doubt he improves in year 2 under Arians, just like Palmer did in Arizona.

    Anywho, now for the mindless idiots to comment.


  2. Greg Says:

    The transition tag gives the Bucs the right to match any offer. So Jameis can go for it or not it leaves the door open for other teams to make an offer and the Bucs can match it or not. This leaves the franchise tag open for someone else.

    This would be smart.

  3. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Told you so ..Jason Licht and his burner account said so.

    He pretty much caved to JW’s demands

  4. Swampbuc Says:

    Winston goes for it….or accepts a lesser deal that would be less conducive to his improvement .

    Any of the alleged landing spots for Winston — Raiders ? Panthers?


    His best chance for the $100 million pay day is to stick with Arians and company.

  5. Joe Says:

    Also you’re going to have to overpay if you want a shorter contract, so that means $30m or more.

    Yeah, guessing it would have to be front-loaded.

  6. Fb Says:

    If they do the transition, you have to pay him the 25 mil. If you let him test free agency, you could get him for less than 20 if he can’t get a starting gig given to him. Roll the dice. He won’t get more than 20 guaranteed, I’d put money on it

  7. BigHog Says:

    Tag or no tag if Mr. 5,000 is not signed to this team…the losing will have already begun!!

  8. Jean Lafitte Says:

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ are you on drugs?
    the losing never stopped

  9. Pryda...Sec147 Says:

    Just sign him long term it’s going to be the cheapest

  10. westernbuc Says:

    I don’t buy Arians health issue thing. Yeah, he’s probably got problems, but so does Belichick and Andy Reid. My guess is that he saw the writing on the wall in Arizona and wanted out. Plus I read somewhere his wife hated Phoenix

  11. JP_09 Says:

    How far each INT travelled from the LOS – 7, 9, 4, 9, 19, 6, 8, 9, 12, 20, 22, 26, 10, 11, 4, 22, 22, 1, 15, 6, 10, 3, 15, 3, 10, 11, 18, 3, 21, 3

    17 INTs 10 yards or less
    5 INTs 11-15 yards
    3 INTs 16- 20 yards
    5 INTs over 20 yards

    Just on INTs thrown less than 10 yards Winston still would’ve had the 3rd most in the league. But yeah, let’s blame it on the aggressive “down field offense”. Transition tag sounds about right if he’s brought back, but this is coming from a guy who knows nothing about football

  12. Stanglassman Says:

    I wish they’d get him signed so they can move forward getting the DL men under contract and get ready for the draft. 2 year contract maybe the best move for both sides.

  13. stravenite Says:

    If we sign him for two years, I hope all you JW cheerleaders are going along to Rayjay because there will be plenty of spare seats.

    This is just trash talk and if it was going to be this then it would have been announced long ago, remember D first and then count the cash left.

  14. Bruce Blahak Says:

    Deserves nothing but walking papers…has done nothing for the franchise….losing and suspension baloney is his label…cut the cord

  15. Destinjohnny Says:

    Kinda damed if u do dammed If u don’t

  16. adam from ny Says:

    brady spotted in aisle 9 at publix on dale mabry…

    with a big ole bag of crab legs in one hand and a celly in the other…

  17. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    • First year is ALWAYS guaranteed in a multi-year contract upon signing

    • Winston has no incentive to agree to this, what is essentially a one year deal

    • Bucs are only going to be able to use ONE TAG,either Transitional or Franchise because the new CBA, which is going into effect within a week, changes to rules. So they will have to either sign Shaq to a multi-year deal, or sign Winston to one…and neither will agree to less than three years…probably more, with at least two guaranteed.

  18. adam from ny Says:

    ^^^ see pic ^^^

    wow i never saw a pic of jameis doing the “guido fist pump” before

  19. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Oh, and if you think Training Camp did not have enough hitting before, get read for a lot less. Padded practices are being cut down even more.

    Almost no point in having training camp at this point.

  20. Defense Rules Says:

    Nothing knew here. Rod Munch is adamant that he proposed this to all of us ‘mindless idiots’ but he really doubted that Jameis would go for it so it doesn’t count I guess as a viable option.

    Problem is that there’s a dozen viable options out there, and everyone’s simply speculating about which one will get executed. There are still 4 days until the Bucs could slap a tag on Jameis, and they really don’t have to do it for 2 weeks. Still a very good chance that Jameis will be here in 2020 IMO. Just as good a chance though that he’ll have viable competition this year if he does return. To BA, there are probably a lot of similarities here to the VHIII situation … tolerate you until I can find someone better.

  21. Defense Rules Says:

    Bonzai … I read that about fewer padded practices in the proposed new CBA & couldn’t believe it. Same article also mentioned something about fewer allowed joint practices. Only thing I haven’t read about yet is the name change to the NFFL … National Flag Football League. But I’m sure that was just an oversight. It’s coming.

  22. Todd Says:


    Excellent stats. Excellent point. It’s never been about Arian’s offense, but about JW’s poor decisions.

    You can’t fix deer-in-headlights stupid.

    But, we’ll tap that definition of insanity again and sure try.

    Groundhog Day is real.

  23. Buczilla Says:

    Jameis is not worth 27 million, but if that’s what it takes, so be it. Part of me wants to just say “just let him walk”, but too much has been invested (or wasted if you prefer) on him already. As long as we get a decent backup and draft someone who could eventually take over, I’m cool with it.

    As far as less padded practices go, the coaches have got to be pi$$ed. I doubt that the owners have an issue with it though since it’s less wear and tear on their “investments”. Get ready for poor tackling and lots of rust until week 7. Hurray!

  24. Pete Mitchell Says:

    Still have to see how the rest of FA plays out.

    What if Ariana really likes Bridgewater? What if Dallas let’s Prescott test the waters? There’s potentially a lot of moving pieces at QB this year.

    I think Jameis’ ceiling is higher than most, if not all, of the potentially available quarterback; but the same can be said about his floor.

  25. Pete I Says:

    2 more years (or really one I suppose) for meaningless stats to pad his meaningless stats…and to add to his 111 turnovers and 28-42 record.

    Good deal for the Bucs!

    Go for it.

  26. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Sending Vh3 packing was far cheaper than paying his fifth year option. If this is true then we may be giving a fifth year option.
    I gotta say all those INT’s on dumpoff,short passes is alarming that JP09 posted.
    His short and intermediate game has to be improved. There was a time when that was considered a strength.

  27. Bird Says:

    Big hog

    With jameis at qb …they win 40 percent of the time
    Meaning they lose a majority of time at 60 % so not sure about the losing comment if he was gone ?

    But please …tell us again that mike evans and godwin are only good because of 3. And then play the normal race card

  28. Bird Says:

    Yah. Not sure jameis wants that short term deal as almost same as tag .

    And out if disrespect would want to turn around and try and take it to bucs.

  29. Don_RyJo(e) Says:

    I like this idea.

    They still need to draft a QB for insurance, though.

  30. Bucsfanman Says:

    Hate to rain on your parade BigHog but, um, we’ve been losing since the Super Bowl year with or without Jameis! So, not sure your point.
    Short-term is the only way to do this thing IF and that is a big fat IF, the Bucs are keeping Jameis. We can ill-afford to weather another turnover plagued season that leads to losing, thus leaving an ‘out’ for the team in case Jameis does not improve.
    In this scenario you have the “KNOWN” year #1, and the “potential” in year #2.
    The known is that he’s turnover-prone but talented. If he fails, he’s benched and no year #2. On the other hand, suppose he improves. Here you have potential and another year.
    The biggest factor in this equation is not, in fact, Jameis Winston. In this scenario the Bucs absolutely MUST find a QB to groom. This situation plays out again if the Bucs move on from Jameis for a veteran like Rivers. They need to start grooming another QB either way.

  31. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    2 more years of dumb decisions and dumb post game excuses

  32. Ineffable Dullard Repairman Says:

    The days of finding a good QB in the later rounds are over. So why waste the pick? If you’re going to replace Jameis you’re going to have to trade up. There are no other options, except with the long shot possibility of Carr.

    Defense– the VHIII analogy is not analogous to QB’s. The gene pool for DB replacements is at least five times that of a quarterback. You should know that.

  33. Ineffable Dullard Repairman Says:

    Section 312–

    Try moving to section 8. You’ll be more comfortable there.

  34. BigHog Says:

    Mean Jean L : I stand corrected!!! If we don’t sign Mr. 5,000 the losing will not stop any time soon!!!

  35. SteveK Says:

    Let Jameis test FA.

    Pay the defense. Keep that unit legit, and let Arians get the right QB for the right price.

  36. james west Says:

    maybe there is covert mindset with a two year signing of jameis, so if he stinks it up again, they would be high enough in the 2021 draft to make a run for lawrence

  37. Colonel_mp Says:

    Spot on to what I have been posting on here to have happen for 2020. No other team is going to throw $30 million at him. Maybe the Jags cause they are mess and have no idea what to do with their team. Smartest move. If he balls and drops his INTs to 15 or less than you can rip up the option and give the man a 3-5 year deal.

    Best option for team and Jameis.

  38. Pa Privateer Says:

    Transition Tag. That is all I would give him.

    See if Chucky wants to do a straight up trade WInston for Carr

  39. Formerly Tampa 2 Says:

    More insane Glazer decisions. 2020 Will be more of the same, hoping for a different outcome.

  40. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    You don’t need a two-year deal…..just franchise him twice if you like…..I prefer the transition tag……save some money….let him test the market……

  41. gotbbucs Says:

    They’re competing with themselves.

  42. Dan Says:

    The Bucs are losers. Some of the biggest losers over the last 10 years. There’s a reason the Bucs are losers. Keeping a guy this awful over this many years. Can anyone on this page honestly say that any of the decent teams would have put up with Jameis and all his loosing this long. Of course not. Here’s a newsflash. Jameis is a backup and honestly not even a trustworthy one.

  43. NPRSageBoy. Says:

    Two observations:

    1) Which one of theses: BA, Licht or one of the Glazer Boys will have the balls to sit with the local media/fan base with a straight face and tell us that JayMiss is our best shot at a return to relevance?
    2) How will this revelation that JayMiss will return effect sagging season ticket sales and lagging stadium attendance?

    The next 30-45 days are going to be interesting, to say the least.

    Peace, out

  44. Ed Says:

    So true: “They’re competing with themselves”. Outside of Tampa Bay, Jameis Winston is of very little interest to other teams. Maybe as some have said, the Bears. The Chargers will need to do something to get better at QB, but Jameis has no “star power” to bring the Chargers to the level of the Rams in terms of fan interest.

    I just don’t see if he is transitional franchised, that his agent will find big offers coming his way. Brady is the one QB that will get a lot of money. Prescott, also. Those QB’s have been able to carry their teams. Jameis’ yards and touchdowns, great but interceptions and winning percentage, lousy.

    Bridgewater is indeed the perfect QB for the Bucs, he’ll make the right reads and won’t panic in big games. He’s played on winning teams and has the cerebral mentality of a winner. Jameis’ is a stats player, great for fantasy leagues, not so for W/L on Sundays.

  45. donuts Says:

    I am not against signing Winston if the price is right (25-27 sounds about right based on performance and current market). Price is determined by marketplace not shortness of contract. NFL owners don’t pay extra for a shorter term with a player its actually the opposite.

    If they sign Winston, they need to draft a QB in the first 3 rounds this year. They need to build a contingency plan if he has another 30 INT 12 fumble season. The Bucs need to be better planners so they dont put themselves in these pigeon holes with positions.

    My draft would go like this:
    1 – OL/DL (If they get Conklin, then DL)
    2 – RB/QB
    3 – RB/QB (select opposite based on 2nd round selection)
    4 – OL/DL depth

  46. Wesley Says:

    No team wants him.

  47. Allbuccedup Says:

    I would not waste 27 mil on this guy. If you do you will regret it. If Winston returns 6-10 if he leaves 10-6.

  48. Greg Says:

    Waste another couple years to get the same damn results we’ve seen since he was in college. And miss out on a rare free agency where there’s actually a lot of quality quarterbacks available. Teddy Bridgewater all day

  49. D-Rome Says:

    A two year contract says, “We don’t believe in you but there probably won’t be anyone available who is significantly better, so we’re stuck with you.”

    In other words, and it’s something I’ve said all along, Jay-Miss is a bridge-the-gap QB. He’s not a franchise QB. The second coming of Ryan Fitzpatrick in just about every way.

  50. Pick6King Says:


    You really don’t care about winning at all. Just signing the turnover machine and continuing the endless cycle of failure. I believe you’re willing to watch this team lose, just to see your favorite player at QB.
    You’re not a Bucs fan, you’re just a Winston fan. Pretty sad. Reality is that Joe is a fan, one who has devoted his life to covering the Bucs 24/7. Joe’s financial success is even tied to the Bucs. Is yours? If the Bucs were a good team, things would get a lot busier around here in a hurry. Joe suspects the 22 million pages viewed annually here would double quickly.–Joe

  51. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Personally, I’ll go with whatever the coach wants. He’s earned it.

    If that means bringing in every undrafted QB to tryout, so be it. If it means giving Winston a five year deal, so be it.

    To me the only knocks left on Jameis are the turnovers. He fixed everything else this year. And the interceptions were not that bad before this past season, except for a couple games.

  52. Reach87 Says:

    Generally hate calling people out of their names, but love the Mr. 5000 moniker. More production from the run game and fewer turnovers is what I’m looking for. There is a way. Go Bucs!

  53. Defense Rules Says:

    Ineffable Dullard … You missed the point apparently, because I wasn’t implying that DBs & QBs are analogous. Raheem had it right … ‘We’ll tolerate you until we can replace you’. THAT goes for every player on the team.

  54. NO FEAR... Says:


  55. 813bucboi Says:

    been saying it since DEC…..

    sign JW to a 2year 50mil deal 1year 25mil guaranteed……

    he has 10 INTs by mid OCT like he did in 2019, BA pulls the plug and JW is gone after the season…..

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  56. DislocatedBucsFan Says:

    Eh, I believe that if the team brings in a new Qb this year we have the potential for the playoffs. He gave the opposing team 23 additional chances to score points on us. 7 of which were TD’s handed away on pick six’s. At some point you have to recognize a bad investment and cut your losses. I’d rather take a chance with teddy or rivers to serve as a bridge.

  57. DBS Says:

    So . Talked about it. Considered it. Done nothing yet. In other words no real story unless you believe in yet another source.

  58. Robert Says:

    no way in heck is he worth 27 million. sign a journeyman and draft a QB

    then sign the Shaq and the guys on the D who earned it

    second option (well IDEAL) is get Brady, trade ME for cap room and draft a qb

  59. Robert Says:

    If he is next years starter I won’t even turn it on…………

    he has yet to earn his keep!

  60. Cobraboy Says:

    Doesn’t the new CBA kill the transition tag, or at least kill two “franchise/transition” tags to one?

  61. Cobraboy Says:

    @Robert: no way Brady would entertain coming to the Bucs without Mike Evans.

  62. Sport Says:

    SteveK – I’m with all the way.

    Sign this defense
    Get a RT
    Grab a QB with the remainder, less the rookie $’s

    This defense is ready to carry this team. We just need a QB not to throw away games.

    In BA I Trust!

  63. Hodad Says:

    Bucs never seem to do what I think they should do, so signing Jameis makes sense. Maybe the plan is to resign Jameis so he gives us the best chance of getting Trevor Lawrence in 2021. If Winston can get to 40 picks in a season, we have a shot.

  64. Sleepy903 Says:

    It makes more sense to go 3 years at 30 mil a year with a team option on the 3rd. Leaves value for it to be traded when QB’s are asking for 40 and 45 mil after this new CBA is finalized. That also gives you a bigger window to evaluate Winstons progression with a staff that can actually develop players. That way if it fails instead of wasting a top draft pick on a transition QB for the next coach and gm to come in and want to draft their own QB.

    In a 2021 and 2022 a few teams will be looking for QB’s. Chucky always wants a QB and will give up draft picks to get one. The Lions/Saints/Browns/Giants/Redskins/Bears all may be willing to take on Winston a 30mil for one year to see if they can salvage him.

    Even the Rams and the way their coach handicaps Goff, Winston would easily thrive in that offense if Goff has another down year.

  65. 813bucboi Says:

    813bucboi Says:
    December 17th, 2019 at 9:30 am
    2year deal with 50mil guaranteed with a 3rd year option at 35mil….


    i think the best offer for both sides would be 3years 85mil 1year 25 guaranteed……

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  66. Mister Negative Nancy Says:

    Ulch, I can’t take two more years of sewer swill.

  67. The Man Says:

    Sign Jameis!

  68. BrianBucs Says:

    As I have previously stated;
    If Winston throws 50 picks per season, loses every game and has multiple off field issues, Jason Licht will still have him as his QB as long as he is the Bucs GM

  69. Tye Says:

    If it does play out that way, it isn’t clear message to the Bucs NATION that the the Bengals aren’t the only team that winning isn’t a concern…
    5 years of losing (this QB often playing a major role in the cause) and you can’t find anyone better, that’s just a sign of horrible talent evaluators..
    That’s so Bucs!

  70. Robert Says:


    I disagree. Brady has made stars out of TE-we have 2 studs

    slot guys………um Godwin fits that mold, or at least goes over the middle fearlessly

    and when had fast Randy moss he was putting up 50 points a game

    not saying Perriman is Moss, or should be in the same sentence, but he’s faster than ME, close to the same jump, just does not have as long of arms. he’s not a jump ball guy…….but with Brady hitting people in stride, eliminating the double teams by spreading the ball around and the running game opening up…Perriman would put up 1000 yrds. IMO

  71. BucsFIRE Says:

    Mister Negative Nancy Says:
    “Ulch, I can’t take two more years of sewer swill.”

    Then go ahead and step off at the next exit.
    All good.

  72. El Buco Realisto Says:

    The good news for the “real” fans is that we will finally see the much delayed full house cleaning after this season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The bad news is that we will have to endure another lost season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ideally is a contract to walk away from next year, and to have the current regime NOT draft a qb that the new regime will have to deal with, or shape who they hire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  73. bucsfaninoregon Says:

    Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    February 21st, 2020 at 8:58 am
    Personally, I’ll go with whatever the coach wants. He’s earned it.”

    Pray tell, just what BA has done to deserve this high praise? Got us to 7-9. Only good thing about BA that I’ve seen is he is not Shiano, Lovie or that other clown. Let’s have him providing a winning season, then you can nominate him for HOF.

  74. Craig Says:

    Jameis will, hopefully, tell the Bucs to stuff such a contract, then the Bucs will talk him into the transition tag. When he finds out how little interest there really is, maybe he will sign for cheap.

    The problem with that is it will make him even more toxic than he already is. How many QBs have teammates and coaches saying that he is not necessarily god’s gift.

    Bucs will still need to draft a QB. Fromm is still the best one after the top two.

  75. Ineffable Dullard Repairman Says:


    Ah, generalization. Guess that could be said for everybody, everywhere.

  76. ATrain Says:

    Big Hog states:
    If we don’t sign Mr. 5,000 the losing will not stop any time soon!!!

    So the QB who is losing WILL stop the losing if resigned BUT hasn’t changed in the last 7 years from college till now


    Your the guy who hits himself with a tack hammer to turn the channel

  77. BigHog Says:

    ATrain: it’s a team sport! I guess some of you think that this team was and still a game manager away from the play-offs…that’s just not true ..just like Mr. 5,000 had a lot of interceptions …averaging about 1 to many per game…there were a lot of untimely false starts, holding penalties, missed kicks, missed tackles, bad play calling… oh yes and more interceptions, games were lost as a team, not just by Mr. 5,000 and without our fire in the belly (Mr. 5,000) this team doesn’t fly…it takes a dive, deep into an unstable state of mind! Draft a running back that can POUND THE ROCK and everything else will take care of itself if …we draft well

  78. stpetebucsfan Says:


    Perhaps I’m mistaken but I thought both JW and Dak Prescott have only one bit of leverage…sit out without getting paid. That has worked in the past…Emmitt Smith took two games off the year after Dallas won a SB and got his money.

    Of the two however I think Dak has far more leverage than JW…as in 40-24 record versus 28-42.

    Everybody goes gaga over JW’s 5100 yards and 33 TD’s. Prescott threw for 4900 and 30TD’s and oh yeah…JW 30 ints…Dak 11 !!!!

    One is literally…as in factually a winner…the other is only a woulda coulda shoulda been a winner aka a loser in reality…as in factually.

    IF JW is worth 30 million how much do we think Dak is worth?

  79. snookman Says:

    Look what tennesse did………..they were bold. They said you are not our guy even though we drafted and committed to Mariota. They were bold and ended up in the AFC Championship game……….with a 10 pt lead in first qt.

    Be bold. Make the right choice…..
    Jameis has a value..………just not anywhere near the top 15 qb values.

  80. tgregs Says:

    Two more years of failure; 2 more years of an ass clown; 2 more years of hating this franchise since the dark day ther hired fellow ass clown Lovie. Bucs I wish you the worst for its what you seek.

  81. Tval Says:

    Tgregs “wishes the Bucs the worst.” Lol!!! I’ve NEVER seen such a disgustingly racist fan base, outside of Canadian hockey. Lmao!!
    Bucs fans have THAT. If Jameis wins a super bowl in Tampa the parade will be half full of klan members pretending they cheered for him ALL THE WHILE!! Hahahahahaaaaaa

  82. Tval Says:

    But the Titans had the league leader in rushing, goof troop. And, ARGUABLY, the best defense in the league.
    Another dummy buc fan. Dear lord!!!

  83. Tval Says:

    &stpete and ONE has the best offensive line in the league. 3 pro bowlers, dummy. Dak was sacked, iirc, 17, 18 times?? Don’t even look up the Bucs “swinging-gate” #’s. Dak would be TRASH without zeke….JUST like he’s been when he’s asked to carry the load for the boys. Carson Wentz couldn’t win 6 games on this team…from one of his biggest fans. NO WAY!!!! Did you SEE him play last year?? Lol!!!!

  84. DalvinCookRules Says:


    you still don’t seem to get it. Nobody (with any rationality) ever said “aggressive downfield” passes were the reason for Winston’s INTs.

    What has ALWAYS been known about JW is that he is turnover-prone. What the Arians/Leftwich offense did is EXACERBATE a weakness. Why would you have an innately turnover-prone QB throw more dangerous passes instead of setting up safer one? why not keep defenses off-balance & guessing, setting up safer throws in the process, and tilting the balance of the playcalls towards a strong running game?

    In other words, do everything possible to minimize his weaknesses not MAXIMIZE them, while taking advantage of his strengths. Winston’s INTs spiked in the new offense and much of the increase was on the deeper shots you cited (when defenders have had enough time to “read” his eyes & body language).