The Forgotten Quarterback

February 11th, 2020

“Listen to me Derek, it doesn’t mean a g@# damn thing that Jason Licht’s agent is my agent too, alright?”

While so many people spend most of their workday trying to put together the jigsaw that is the NFL quarterback puzzle, it seems most are forgetting one quarterback.

Joe hasn’t seen this much potential movement in quarterbacks in a long time. Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, Jameis Winston, Ryan Tannehill, Dak Prescott, Cam Newton all could be playing for different teams next year.

And if one of those guys gets a job with a new team, that creates a domino effect for the outgoing quarterback.

A respected former NFL suit who has a popular podcast and makes many radio appearances is convinced one QB will be cut or traded. Former Bill Walsh, Al Davis and Bill Belicheat coffee fetcher Michael Lombardi is convinced three-time Pro Bowl Raiders quarterback Derek Carr could be had.

Speaking on the VSiN Network (that’s Brent Musberger’s gambling outfit and the SiriusXM Radio channel based in Las Vegas), Lombardi flat out said Carr will not be on the Raiders’ roster this fall and Chucky’s line that he and Carr are tight is pure baloney.

“They are going to make a change at quarterback,” Lombardi said of the Raiders. “All the talk — I love Derek Carr and Derek Carr and I are together — that’s nonsense! That ain’t gonna happen. They are going to change the quarterback. …

“Gruden wants a change.”

Lombardi had more to say about Chucky and Carr in the video below. This isn’t the first time Lombardi has had remarks about Carr and the Raiders. He recently said on his podcast, “GM Shuffle,” that Carr is gone and his contract is “easily tradable.”

So with the Bucs trying to decide among all the big-name free agents, is the team braintrust potentially working the backchannels to see what it would take to lure Carr out of southern Nevada?

If the Bucs have indeed decided to move on from Jameis, Joe can think of a lot worse options than Carr.

(Joe has an idea for an NFL Network primetime reality show. Have all the free agent quarterback line up on stage wearing a tuxedo and have Chucky pick one. Chucky walks up, kisses the guy like Michael Corleone planted one on his brother Fredo, and hands the lucky paramour a rose.)

56 Responses to “The Forgotten Quarterback”

  1. Ace Says:


  2. Barbosa Says:

    Actually Joe with Chucky it’s more accurate to have all his Raiders kneeling on the floor and Chucky comes out Neegan style with leather jacket and Lucille the baseball bat on his shoulder. I won’t go into details past that but it’s the most infamous scene of the walking dead show.

  3. ou812 Says:

    ANYBODY BUT WINSTON !!!!!!! TIME TO MOVE ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  4. Ineffable Dullard Repairman Says:

    I know Chucky loves quarterbacks, but I wouldn’t go that far …
    Funny, better hope Chucky doesn’t read this or he might go Joe hunting.
    Then again, his lack of literary prowess will probably keep you safe.

  5. DoooshLaRue Says:

    I am excited by this possibility. I’ve always liked Carr and I think he would be a great fit here.

  6. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    I certainly like the Carr idea a lot more than the Rivers one.

  7. Ocala Says:

    The Bucs should sign Jamies or tank for Lawrence, but Carr is a significantly better option than Rivers.

  8. Hodad Says:

    The only way Chucky moves on from Carr would be for Brady. So if the Brady to Raiders talk happens, Carr is gone. Otherwise like we argue with Jameis, who else are they going to replace Carr with? Now they might draft a QB like us, but it’s Carr unless Gru gets the GOAT.

  9. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Winston for Carr

  10. DoooshLaRue Says:

    No thanks to tanking for Lawrence.
    Way over rated.

  11. Buczilla Says:

    I’d rather have Carr than Rivers, but I’m not convinced that he is better than Jameis. I mean, at this point, Jameis and Carr are both kinda middling quarterbacks. Jameis is younger though and If he can cut down on his buffoonery, he’d be a clearly better option than Carr. That’s a MASSIVE if though. 😇

  12. J Says:

    Lombardi makes predictions like a blind meteorologist.

  13. ancientasbuc Says:

    I’m still waiting for the first time Lombardi has been right about something?

  14. 'daBUCisthis? Says:

    Pass. Tayson Hill for QB, he’s a RFA. GO GET HIM

  15. This Guy Says:

    Jameis is always gong to be a 10+ int guy (no matter the system, he always has been) mix in 4+ fumbles (he has horrible pocket presence and it has not improved) You are going to have 14+ turnover QB at best with Jameis.

    If you are okay with 7-9 to 9-7 wild card hopeful, to at best winning a wild card game Jameis is your guy. If you want to get back to being a real contender we need to find another answer.

    Turnovers kills teams, it puts the def on the field more often tiring them out. It gives the other team TOP and field position. It demoralizes the fans as well as the team. (just look at the stadium)

    If you love JW then you should pull for him to get a fresh start and hopefully be a future HoF guy. If you are a Buc fan it is time, just because your GF is a super model doesn’t mean she is your future wife.

  16. Totally Exonerated Again Says:

    My brother is a Raider fan. He hates Carr. HATES him.

    But take that with a grain of salt. He ain’t any smarter than any of us.

  17. Robert Says:

    Chucky might get Brady. He actually knows what he’s doing. I still think Brady is coming to tampa…….just hope licht doesn’t give up the farm for him.

    I know he will though, NE r*pes him more than j dubya does a burrito and crableg buffet.

  18. Bobby M. Says:

    Carr reminds me of Brad Johnson….but more mobile and stronger arm….still the same conservative style. Tannehill got to the AFC championship by simply managing the game, I believe Carr has more talent and upside then Tannehill….and i’ll take competing in playoff games vs never sniffing them with Winston.

    Jimmy Johnson said it best….the game is often won by screwing up the least. Our opponents are game planning how many turnovers/opportunities they’ll cash in on Winston. Think about that….the goal isn’t simply to disrupt his rhythm but rather let him get going so they can create opportunities for themselves.

    Personally….from an ego perspective, I believe Arians is very similar to Gruden. He believes he can coach up any QB. People forget but Garcia, Griese and Johnson all went to Pro Bowls under Gruden. Those aren’t household legendary names. I believe when Arians said he can win with another QB in his last press conference, he genuinely believes that you can plug anyone into that system and as long as they can protect the ball, you’ll win when you have Evans and Godwin…along with that defense.

  19. Robert Says:

    The DB’s and LB’s on opposing teams must mark the Bucs on their calendar when j dub comes to town….

    here’s two picks for me etc. 🙂

  20. Formerly Tampa 2 Says:

    The bottom line as far as Winston coming back is that BA is basically betting the farm for the Glazers. Because if Winston comes back and makes an INT early then all the fanbase is going to erupt, and the seats will be empty. And if the Glazers want National recognition they will certainly get that, as laughingstocks. Carr would be a good trade. And so would others. But Winston needs to go to other pastures.

  21. footballjunkie Says:

    Brady > Carr > Bridgewater > Tannehill > Rivers > Winston .

    (Brees back to Saints or retired, Prescott signed/tagged in DAL)


  22. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    I’d like to see America’s Grop……errrr, Quarterback become the forgotten QB.

  23. Eric Says:

    I’ll keep the franchise record tds and yardage please. Plug in some running game the turnovers will come way down.

    Like Favre proved you can win it all with a lot of turnovers.

    Last thing we need is a Chucky cast off.

  24. TOM Says:

    I would love to see the Bucs get Carr. Would be better than any of the FA’s. Although I wouldn’t be upset if the Bucs landed Brady. Would also consider Dalton for around 17mil. Anything the Bucs could do to sign there defensive FA’s. is a must. Resigning Winston for more than 20mil would be a big mistake.

  25. mark2001 Says:

    Eric… holy cheese… Winston isn’t Favre…not close. That comment is food for the foolish.

    Just think…

    Jameis…a pro bowl alternate who wouldn’t have made it if not for multiple refusals to play by other QB’s.


    Super Bowl champion (XXXI)
    11× Pro Bowl (1992, 1993, 1995–1997, 2001–2003, 2007–2009)
    3× First-team All-Pro (1995–1997)
    3× Second-team All-Pro (2001, 2002, 2007)
    3× NFL Most Valuable Player (1995–1997)
    Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year (2007)
    AP NFL Offensive Player of the Year (1995)
    4× NFL passing touchdowns leader (1995–1997, 2003)
    2× NFL passing yards leader (1995, 1998)
    Green Bay Packers No. 4 retired
    Green Bay Packers Hall of Fame
    NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
    NFL 100th Anniversary All-Time Team

    Will you guys stop that nonsense comparison?

  26. Tye Says:

    I see Carr being Arians perfect opportunity to have a QB that is a vet and yet young, to prove the the league and the nation that he can live up to his reputation and that JW was the reason for his recent lack of success..

    If Jw were only in his 2nd or 3rd year then, yeah, give him time..
    5 years, 70 games, 3 HC and a list of QB coaches who have said they have tried so many things to get through to him and obviously by his last season it hasn’t helped, then there is no shame in the Bucs moving forward without him…
    Now there is much shame in signing him and he throws 10 picks in his 1st 3 games which the chances are likely high..

  27. Eric Says:

    @mark 2001

    You are comparing 20 years of Favre vs. Five years of Winston.

    Try first five years of favre vs. First five years of Jameis.

    But, being a hater you want no fairness or facts. Just like you won’t acknowledge Favre had Holmgren and a great defense. But keep spewing.

    Go Jaboo, keep those franchise records coming.

  28. BrianBucs Says:

    Gruden loves quarterbacks. He would like to coach them all. I think that he would to have a new one every season.
    I have always liked Carr. Big difference between he and Winston is that Carr takes care of the football.
    Nothing in the NFL kills you like turnovers.
    Don’t know exactly how Carr would fit in Arians’ offense, but he would be a big improvement over Winston

  29. Ocala Says:

    Brett Favre says Jamies is similar to him:

    Brett Favre on Jamies:

    “I think with Jameis, there is such a huge upside. We dont get to see much, but i just think that there is a tremendous upside and you are willing to work through that,” Favre said. “I think [Bruce Arians] will do a wonderful job. He is super productive aside from the interceptions. I’m sure Bruce is scratching his head, he knows Jameis doesn’t mean to do it and not doing it on purpose so he’s trying to find that happy medium.
    “Maybe Bruce is saying ‘maybe call plays that are less likely to expose him to an interception’ and i know that may sound crazy to the average fan but like if Mike Holmgren — if it were third-and-12 for example, I’m in Year 2 and he calls a play that has a three-layered route. You have a deep over let’s say 15-18 yards, a medium seven-yard route, and you have a short drag route, I’m throwing the deep one. That was my mentality. My arm strength was a huge asset but it also hurt me.”

  30. mark2001 Says:

    Still swallowing, aren’t you, Eric.

    Most of the accomplishments were in the early years of Favre’s career. And Jameis? These are his best years..and he isn’t even a hundredth of the way there.. much less a forth…

    Jameis will never hold Brett’s Jock..

    You guys just can’t handle the fact that the FSU messiah of the glory days is nothing more than an ave. QB, with above average talent, and below average overall performance.

  31. Craig Says:

    Derrick watched his brother, David, come close to getting killed as the Houston QB. No way he comes to Tampa, with what many say is a second class o-line.

    The reason the line looks bad was because the QB held the ball too long. I would rather talk about Dak Prescott anyway.

    Prescott had two perfect games early this past season. Then he got hurt and couldn’t deliver any oomph on the ball.

    Don’t bother trying to say that Zeke makes Dak. Zeke is a distraction, not an asset. Dak is the epitome of a franchise QB.

  32. mark2001 Says:

    You guys make me laugh… you expect Favre to say…Jameis plays like garbage some times, like Arians does? And he never said..Jameis will be the next me, or that he will have a career like I did and lead a team to a SB.

    Jameis does have ability…never said he doesn’t. But he just makes too many dumb plays to count on as your franchise QB. And he can’t go three games against good teams without them showing those play showing their ugly head.

  33. Brad Says:

    Carr is the check down master of the NFL!! He blows. Watch a game Joe!!!

  34. Allbuccedup Says:

    Carr was good enough too make three pro bowls before Chucky. Arians would get the best out of Carr. Trade second round pick to Raiders for him. Quarterback issues solved.

  35. DoooshLaRue Says:


    Maybe he had to check down because his receivers ran the wrong route….on very windy days no less…. and he decided to pick up positive yardage instead of throwing a pick six.

  36. 813bucboi Says:

    i like carr….i think he he could do good as our QB….

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  37. catcard202 Says:

    Chucky may fall in&out of love w/ QB’s like a 8th grade school boy…But he’s not STUPID.

    Carr was a top-10 QB in 2019…100 passer rating / 62.2 QBR / 70% comp / ~3to1 td to int ratio…& has 3yrs left on a sweetheart starting QB deal. (paying ~$20-21M per).

    In the age of $30M+ / yr QB’s…. Paying a good one 60% of market value for the next 3 yrs will allow the fighting Mayocks to completely re-tool the LasVegas 53 man roster before Carr is a FA in 2023.

  38. Fb Says:

    Carr would be a very good qb for 20million a year for three years. With our receivers and up and coming defense, I would take that in a heartbeat. You could afford an olineman, a rb, a safety, and draft dline and oline. I’d bet Arians could have that team purring along

  39. Sailor Jerry Says:

    IMO, the Bucs are in the driver seat with Jameis. Franchise tag him or sign to a short term deal under $30M.

    What other team is going to give him a chance to be the starter? What other team is going to give him a long term deal at $30M+ per year.

    It’s worth a chance to get him a RT and RB to allow him to perform with less pressure. Give him a respectable play action option to freeze a defense. Let’s see what happens from that point.

  40. TSmitty3000 Says:

    The good thing about living in Phoenix is meting fans of other tams. Raiders fans hate Carr. He is skiddish in the pocket and will check it down with the quickness. Evans and Godwin are 50-50 receivers. You need a QB ho’s willing to throw those types of passes. That’s why I don’t believe Bridgewater is a fit here. This system gets the QB hit a lot. Carr is skiddish back there folks.

    Here’s a rule I live by in the NFL. If a fan base is ecstatic about their QB leaving, my team shouldn’t be in a rush to get that QB.

  41. geno711 Says:

    Agree with Fb

  42. geno711 Says:


    Is there another quarterback that you think would fit with this team?

    Or are you a fan that feels that none of the current options are as good as Jameis?

  43. Defense Rules Says:

    Would dearly love to see Derek Carr come here, but have serious doubts that it’ll happen. Carr is the type of QB who’d be a perfect fit for a solid team. Sorry but that’s NOT the Bucs. Not at this point at least. I could however see Oakland & Tennessee ending up with each other’s QBs this year, then Tannehill ‘grooming’ someone like Herbert for Chucky.

    Sorry again, but odds are we have Winston for 1 more year. Excellent chance I think that Bucs will transition tag Jameis by 10 March (the last date to tag). The thought of going into free agency on 18 March without a POTENTIAL starting QB is just unfathomable with BA as our HC. That’s not to say that the Bucs aren’t working every angle right now to make a trade or whatever, but on 10 March ‘push comes to shove’.

  44. TSmitty3000 Says:


    Two come to mind but they aren’t available, but follow me for a sec.

    Russell Wilson pushes the ball downfield and is extremely accurate. Russ will throw the 50/50 ball and is elusive enough to compensate for a below average line. He holds the ball a long time in Seattle.

    Jimmy G comes to mind because of his willingness to throw the 50/50 ball. I believe Shanahan is holding him back. Let it rip.

    I like Daniel Jones in this offense, but he fumbles a lot. Jones plays behind a bad line, but is tougher than a $2 steak. He’s mobile and can make throws. He’s also willing to throw the 50/50 ball.

    Notice the trend. Tough in the pocket and willing to throw the 50/50 ball. For instance, Dak and Dez Bryant didn’t click because Dak doesn’t throw the 50/50 ball. Romo was willing to. Our receivers don’t get a lot of separation, but that’s why the QB must be willing to throw those passes. Teddy Bridgewater doesn’t throw those passes either.

    I’m indifferent as to whether Jameis is back or not, but I’m not in the “Anyone, but Jameis” crew.

  45. Fb Says:

    Everyone seems to think that we have to pay jameis 30 million or at least 27 on the tag. There a a veritable crap load of qbs available this year, and jameis isn’t even in the top half. In yards yes, but turnovers ar pe coach killers. They aren’t going to offer him more than 20. I think with options like Carr, Bridgewater, Tannehill, and others available, jameis may have more upside, but could also cost some coach or gym their job. I am all aboard offering jameis 18 to 20 will a year and a half guaranteed, but we would be bidding against ourself apps to pay much more.

  46. Isaac haggins Says:

    Carr and StAfford are both available and both should be great fits for Ariens system. I may actually lean towards car with Stafford injury history. . Both are better options than Brady or Rivers by far.

  47. Jeagan1999 Says:

    Carr is accurate and doesn’t turn the ball over a lot. I think Arians Could build a great offense around him with the weapons we have….add a couple of good free agent pickups and a RB in the Draft. Wonder what the Raiders would take for him?

  48. Isaac haggins Says:

    3 rd , dangle it yesterday Gruden will want it done tomorrow!!! Mayock has no choice , other than resign !! If Light wasn’t such a meathead he would already have Winston re-signed to a decent deal and still be able to maneuver any quarterback he wants. The guy can’t yawn and walk at the same time !!! Jason wake up the world is around you !!! Get your lips off BA s left pinky ( nipple) . Lead Jason , Take Charge , the car in front of you isn’t the only car on the road , expand your vision !!! Pay attention !!! Wake Up !!! Your way below the median the end is near if you don’t wake up bad dressing one !!! Pay Attention , Very Close Attention John Lynch ( 3 yrs ) Les Snead ( 2 yrs) ……. New England QB hits / pressures last 10 years !!!

  49. WestChap Says:

    Works for me. #anythingButthesamething

  50. Mister Negative Nancy Says:

    Even Carr’s worst season interception % was better than Winston’s best.

  51. Cobraboy Says:

    Carr > Winston

  52. Costa Rica John Says:

    If you want to be able to beat the Chiefs in a Super Bowl you need a gunslinger that’s not afraid to fire the ball into tight coverage. Keep Winston. Build the defense and offensive line.

  53. Big O Says:

    We know what Chucky can do. He inherited the Covetted Trophy. All we can do is wait and see how Arians and Co. make this season work. We are not rebuilding with Arians long term. Licht is trying to save job.

  54. Big O Says:

    Get rid of the suit. Hire some one who has been in the trenches. Tony Romo for GM

  55. Big O Says:

    Tony Romo for general manager

  56. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Derek Carr is not better than Bridgewater, he’s probably not better than Taysom Hill either.
    Wins > Stats