The Dominos Have Started To Fall

February 18th, 2020

“Dang Drew, I was hoping you’d join the FBI with me.”

Well, the circus that is the free agent quarterback merry-go-round has begun. And it starts in the Big Easy.

As if the Cajuns haven’t yet sobered up from LSU winning the national title, they have another reason to stay drunk and fill the gin joints of Frenchman Street.

Drew Brees has announced he will return to the Saints. He took to Instagram today to tell the world,

So that is one free agent a sect of Bucs fans, hungry to replace the best quarterback in franchise history, can cross off their wish list.

Then again, the drumbreat for Teddy Bridgewater will only grow louder in the coming days and weeks.

And don’t come at Joe with this nonsense about Taysom Hill!

91 Responses to “The Dominos Have Started To Fall”

  1. Troy Says:

    Taysom Hill is better than Jay-Miss.

  2. miken Says:

    This is great news… Drew is very beatable now and teddy will leave. The saints will go to the basement after the 2020 season

  3. footballjunkie Says:


    C’mon down TB12!! The price is right ….here Tommy Boy.

  4. Mr. Reality Says:

    “best quarterback in franchise history”

    What’s the criteria? Getting suspended? Getting team mates suspended? Being lucky enough to get retained for five years despite a losing record. And of course, record high INTs including pick 6s?

    Oh, that’s right. Points that still lag behind the opponents and garbage yards after the Bucs are basically out of contention. Yeah, he’s the “best” at that too.

    Check your sheet. He’s ballin’.

  5. Robert Says:

    C’mon Taysom Hill!

    anybody but ATM!

  6. JimmyJack Says:

    Good cause I want Brees to still be here when we take over the division next year.

    Devin White gonna be the key to stopping them. And Bowles needs to figure out how to crack that All Pro line protecting Brees. Let Suh put a crack on him one him like he did Matt Ryan. Brees might on figure it’s time to hang em up after that.

    GO BUCS!!!

  7. Mr. Reality Says:

    I don’t think anyone doubted this. The bad side: The Saints are as big a threat as ever. The good side–Brees eats up a lot of cap space; also means Bridgewater could be in the mix, though I’d not expect him here.

  8. down in the dirt doug Says:

    I think the Bucs want Jameis to take a one year 25 million dollar contract with the promise of 30-35 million if certain goals are met.Jameis will say a big firm no!We have two choices and we all know what thet are.I say put a piece of wood between your teeth and say,”OK ONE MORE YEAR!!!

  9. Robert Says:

    B-R-A-D-Y OR BUST!

    Trade ME for cap room.

    can I get an AMEN!

  10. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Called it.

    Just a refresher, I predicted Brees would stay with the Saints, Brady would stay with the Patriots, and Eli would retire.

    2 of 3 right now.

  11. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:


    You trade ME and Brady would not want to come here, lol. But it doesn’t matter…he’s staying with the Patriots.

    This who QB shbuffle thing has been an illusion.

  12. gbobucsfan Says:

    Look at the size difference in Fat Free and Brees. Free sure had the physical tools to play in the league.

  13. miken Says:

    Teddy will be signed to start somewhere and Tua and burrow and Herbert will be starters somewhere. Denver going with Lock and the Bears sticking with Mitch and will probably sign Mariotta or someone like that. Who exactly is going to throw big starter money at Jameis? No one… the Bucs are only competing against themselves and I hope they realize that before the offer big.

  14. FB Says:

    One thing I keep looking for is someone who says Jameis is our guy to go get. I see posts from Chicago, Indy and now even the Raiders, but nothing says anything more than a backup or competition between $10 to $14 million. While he may get $20 million to start somewhere, I don’t see any higher happening. Now we have Bridgwater, either taking less or going for a competition like Chicago or Indy, but he won’t likely get the 20 mill either unless some coach is infatuated with him and or absolutely desperate to save their job.

    I would be happy to have Jamies back for another year and draft someone at less than 20 million. He should be happy too unless he thinks another coach is better for him. Not to mention, we could add that Olineman and keep the D together at that price.

  15. FB Says:

    If you want to argue with either joe, you can’t mention names otherwise you get MODERATED!

  16. FB Says:

    miken, same post same time. great minds as they say

  17. FB Says:

    Just googling teddy bridgwater, I have seen more articles saying their team should go get him. Jameis hasn’t had any of that kind of love. So despite America’s Joe believing the yards matter, it seems most teams would like an effective game manager first.

    And what ever happened to Ira’s wisdom with his declaration months ago, that if you don’t think you can win a super bowl with your guy, it’s time to move on.

    I also saw another old quote, that I cant find, along the lines of, the guy who touches the ball on every play, can’t be the reason you lose more games than you win. Difference between a starter and a career backup like Fitzgerald

  18. chris L Says:

    Another reason the bucs should go after bridgewater is his knowledge of the saints and their offense. obviously they would make tweaks but imagine what we could do with that intel and bowles. proven winner from a winning program too.

  19. D-Rome Says:

    Bonzai, you OK? How’s the shoulder? It looks like you dislocated it after patting yourself on the back with a bit too much enthusiasm.

    You are notoriously wrong on 90% of your predictions but that’s what makes reading your comments fun! 🙂

  20. FB Says:

    I agree with the bs on best qb in bucs history. Brad Johnson has that title, even if the defense was what carried us. Most wins in a season is by far better than total yards or tds or anything.

  21. Robert Says:


    is it CONFIRMED-Brady has resigned with the Pats????

    if so, bring in Tannehill, which I said like 2 years ago when crabman had some value to be traded….

  22. Robert Says:

    BJ won the SB, but Garcia was damn good too.

    we need another Garcia!

  23. TexBuc Says:

    Another disappointing day for some “fans” with no announcement they are moving on from Winston…

  24. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Bucs, Chargers, Bengals, Panthers, Dolphins, Colts, Pats, maybe Bears all have QB situations up in the air as of today. I think Dalton woulld make great sense in Indy where they are a playoff ready team just need someone to steer the ship. The bucs may or may not have a good defense time will tell on that but definitely need a money friendly less turnover qb. I just do not see where jameis goes to be the starter and get paid $30 mil…think the bucs have the upper hand in this situation

  25. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Clueless Joe says the Bears want Jameis

    If he can’t Con the Glazers out of 30 million he’s a back up anywhere else

  26. Pewter power Says:

    It’s not all that great of a thing being the best in franchise history for a team when you only had to beat out josh Freeman for the record but thanks for the dramatics

  27. 813bucboi Says:


    great post

    i agree….

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  28. Cgmaster27 Says:

    The fact that some of you are pining for a guy thats thrown a total of 16 passes as a pro in Hill takes away all credibility of any dumb statement you make from here on out. Some bucs fans are just another level of stupid.

  29. Stevebobucsfan Says:

    People talk your a.. off. If Jameis is not in Tampa next year, he will be a starter somewhere. All this crap about Tannehill and Rivers, If the Bucs had wanted a 1 year wonder they would’ve kept Fitzpatrick. As for Bridgwater, don’t do it. Don’t come to Tampa. Out of all the interceptions and screws ups Jameis made last season, the Bucs still won more games than they did the past 2 years and could’ve been a couple of games about .500 and many so call Bucs fans are bitc…. . you would be great Bridwater under Arians but don’t do it

  30. Waterboy Says:

    As expected but always good to have confirmation.

  31. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Pay Brees 35 million and wreck your Cap

  32. 813bucboi Says:

    JW may be a “starter” somewhere else but for how long?…..


    bucs are the only team willing to “GIVE” JW the starting job…..he goes somewhere else and he’ll have to compete for the starting job…..

    and we’ve all seen how JW preforms when he’s under pressure…..

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  33. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:


    Who else is paying Jameis his delusional askin price of $30 million?

  34. NPRSageBoy. Says:

    Did anyone seriously think Brees would leave the Saints?

    Peace, out

  35. catcard202 Says:

    Tyson Hill is the 30yr old version of Jalen Hurts.
    Bridgewater doesn’t have the arm for the vertical system BA/Leftwich run.

    Not many QB’s have the arm for BA’s system.

    This leads me to believe JW3 will be back in 2020, whether that’s by extension or Tag… Then the FO can take a swing at a developmental QB in the draft.

    (Assuming the FO doesn’t make a move for a Jacob Eason or Jordan Love…my next in line as a Bucs Fit is Nate Stanley – Iowa… 6’4″ 243lbs & strong arm. Looks like a BigBen clone n his Iowa uni.)

  36. SC Bucs Fan Says:

    BB you guessed Brees to the Saints, Eli to retire and Brady to stay a Pat?

    Are you also proud because you said the sun would rise this morning?

    Real leaps on those predictions…

  37. unbelievable Says:

    Quite funny that someone who calls himself “Mr. Reality” would be so divorced from living in actual reality.

    I wonder what new name you’ll change to in a couple more weeks.

  38. Tampabuscsbro Says:


    Inb4 people start saying “no deep ball” before Carson Palmers first season for Arians his average yards per pass was the same as Teddy’s was last year. It can be done.

    Look at the difference in both Winston and Teddy’s floors
    Teddy’s Floor is he could at least manage a game well while maybe having a bad turnover or maybe 2 at the highest possible.

    Winston’s floor is throwing 5 interceptions and fumbling twice in one game.

    One you still have a chance to win. the other gives you no chance.

  39. Sarasota Garey Says:

    Bridgewater to Tampa

  40. pelbuc Says:

    JBF, “the greatest QB in franchise history” has been an embarassment on and off the field, has appeared in zero playoffs games and has piled up some impressive stats in garbage time. I suppose you’ll say if only JW had a running game or defense. Well, the last 2 games should give you a clear answer. But some people think he’s a baller kinda like Trump is a great businessman. SMH!

  41. Defense Rules Says:

    Drew Brees was never going to leave the Saints. His Free Agency was humorous, since he already carried a Dead Cap of $21.3 mil for 2020 (that’s the problem with Dead Cap right there). Funniest of all, is that the Saints now have only $12.3 Cap Space according to Spotrac (and a good chunk of that will surely be needed to sign their rookie class). Kinda sorta think they won’t be making any big FA deals.

    On the bad news side, they already have a great roster. Most of their UFAs weren’t starters, although a few were. One key UFA the Saints might have trouble affording is Andrus Peat, their LG who missed 6 games last year with a forearm problem. Peat plays Guard AND Tackle, and would be an awesome addition to the Bucs OLine IMO (6’7″ & 316 lbs and only 26 years old).

  42. Jeffbuc Says:

    Come on some of you bucs fans pining for taysom hill. You make us look dumb. He is 30 years and his career stats are
    6-13 119 yards
    0tds 1 int
    46.6 QBs rating
    Yeah we need to sign this guy quick and give him the starting job. Because he makes 1 or 2 ok runs or catches every other game. And has completed a total of 6 passes out of 13 on gimmick plays that should be wide open.

  43. Eric Says:

    This is the only fan base that will want to trade a 26 in the prime of his career for cap space to sign a QB with 2/3 years left goober-Ville USA! Then Tyson Hill which is a gimmick and dump down Teddy didn’t y’all learn your lesson from the Bubble Screen King Trash-iota!

  44. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    Eric Says: a 26 in the prime of his career for cap space

    I didn’t know that Winston was a good QB his picks blew so many games for us I would rather take Dump down teddy.

    Granted there is a good chunk of the fanbase that seems to think Jameis Winston wills this team by himself to each and every single win it has.

  45. Eric Says:

    Who talking about JW13 someone suggested that the Bucs Trade ME13 for cap space to sign TB12 so how did JW become part of this again! It’s way too early to be hitting the bottle bro!

  46. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    most people that write off Bridgewater or most other QB options are part of the winston defense force where football stats don’t matter and Winston on his own carries this team to every win.

    My point is more so that we have a good enough offense to where most QBs could succeed granted I also think we need to get Tristan Wirfs and a running back in the third round of the draft.

  47. Mr. Reality Says:

    Big implications of this for the FA market, even the Bucs, regardless of wehre Bridgewater goes. Considering Brees being back, means Teddy Bridgewater almost certainly going elsewhere, and this just made both Winston’s and Rivers’s market values go down (until Bridgewater signs somewhere, then it may recover a bit). If teams out there compare any one of the three, Bridgewater gets the most lucrative deal, and the best candidate for it is instantly going to IND. But that is where many speculate Riversd would go. Not if you can get Teddy!

    So good chance the Bucs would also go for Teddy, and fall back on Rivers and even turnover man Winston IF Rivers can’t be had for less than $24M. No one in their right mind could think Rivers or Winston are long term solutions, so age is not a factor. It is about who can best mentor the QB they WILL draft, and who will pique fan interest (Rivers wins on both counts).

    Looks to me like Winston’s market value, especially given he will not be a starter anywhere else, just went way down. This is really good for all, but best of all for Teddy. Teddy will make starter $$$$$ that he would have gotten before his injury. It’s good for Winston because he still will be a millionaire…just not as big of one (he will hold a clipboard), and he may still have a chance to step in for a real starter that goes down, and if Rivers doesn’t want the job in Tampa, Winston could come maybe be back here and compete to start again…as a short term deal (again, Rivers would be better for business overall). Still, this is great for Bucs fans, because it likely equates to more cap space for the Bucs to sign other FAs/keep the guys they want. Plus if they signed Winston for a one year/two year cheap deal, and someone else loses their QB…the Bucs could trade him before October and finally get some worth out of him.

  48. Dewey Selmon Says:

    People cheering that one of the best of all time isn’t retiring so it will weaken their team and we can take over? holy sheet man. Sean Payton knows Brees is declining so he adapted and changed the offense to benefit him. He can still sling the rock as good as anyone as has mastered touch passes on screen plays. Brees is still top 7 as old as he is. I never had a doubt he wasn’t coming back. He wants the TD record and knows he needs to stay ahead of Brady.

  49. Dewey Selmon Says:

    Speaking of Bridgewater, he has been successful everywhere he has played. 22-12 starting record. And if you want proof go watch the highlights from last year against us. We got shredded. He would be a God if he came here and led us to the playoffs.

  50. Jean Lafitte Says:

    I called it halfway through the season that Bridgewater would become available. So many on here argued with me that Brees was gonna retire and Bridgewater would become their starter. For the record, if the Buc’s decide to move on from Winston, I’d rather we pursue Carr first, but if he’s not available then Bridgewater would be my second choice.

  51. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Jameis Winston

  52. Rod Munch Says:

    If you watched Bridgewater play against anyone other than that early season awful Bucs defense then you’d know he isn’t very good. In fact, he’s a bad QB. Anyone calling for Bridgewater to come here is literally dumber than a shoelace. Literally.

  53. Buczilla Says:

    Lol, best quarterback in THIS franchise’s history is a dubious honor at best, true as it may be. Or is it true? I for one would have taken Brad Johnson over Jameis in our lone super bowl win. The Raiders may have had a shot in hell to win that game if Jameis had one of his “WTF is he doing?” games.

    Jameis is clearly a better quarterback statistically, talent wise, pretty much every way imaginable, than Brad Johnson outside of the “trust” factor. There is no way in hell that I would have wanted the current version Jameis starting in that super bowl. Hopefully we get one more year with him to cure his buffoonery.

  54. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    How was Teddy a bad QB?

    Did he throw no TDs, throw multiple interceptions, make constant poor decisions and have sub par accuracy?

  55. Tbaybee08 Says:

    No to Bridgewater or Hill
    Not sold on Rivers

    Like the idea of Carr, obviously love the idea of Brady. Neither of them have recently had the weapons they would have here. Our OL would need to improve but it would be very exciting with either of them at the helm IMO.

  56. Billy_45 Says:

    LMAO @Troy

    Easy to tell with his whole 13 combined total passes right?

  57. Tbaybee08 Says:

    Only if Carr is released or traded if Raiders sign someone else that is

  58. Eric Says:

    Rod Munch exactly before he played against the Bucs he didn’t have a completion that traveled more than 20 yards in the air! For all you clowns who want to talk about his record look at how bad the Lions and Bears were when he played for the Vikings wake up people wake the hell

  59. Formerly Tampa 2 Says:

    Bridgewater went 5-0 as a starter last year. What was Winston’s record again?

  60. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    Also you know Bridgewaters Yards per pass last year were the same as Palmers the year before he was on the cardinals.

    Just saying, also you guys talk like hurling that ball deep is all that matters when playing QB.

  61. BrianBucs Says:

    Having Teddy here would be amazing!!!
    So much better than America ‘s Turnovers Machine, Mr. Pick 6

  62. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Rod Munch
    Do you use velcro to lace up?
    Or do you just wear flip flops?

  63. MadMax Says:


  64. Bucsfanman Says:

    Whoa!!! First you tell me that Drew Brees is NOT leaving New Orleans, what’s next?! Oh, right, right , right, Brady’s leaving New England!!!
    Did anybody really think that Brees was leaving the Saints?!
    Does anyone believe that Brady will play for another team next year? I don’t.

  65. mark2001 Says:

    Tampa 2… come to think of it, I don’t remember Jameis playing the first games at all. Maybe he was ballin…but I don’t remember that.

  66. Brandon Davidson Says:

    Jake fromm is way overlooked and deserves way more attention then he is getting will probably be the steal of this draft and possibly the best QB has all the tools needed to be great

  67. McBuc Says:

    It still baffles me that you guys totally disregard the other players on the team for the reason the Bucs lost games. It really is amazing that this many people that seem to watch a great deal of football cannot grasp how horrible the defense was for 10 games! Kicking was up and down, and the running game was horrible until the last game or two. You guys do know that football is a team sport right? Winston’s yards were not garbage time this year, this was not a year of blowouts. I do not care who your QB is, they would have struggled and thrown pics with this team. You cannot have a downfield arial attack with no running game and expect no picks. If you hold a QB to the standard of not scoring more than the other team, where should that threshold be? Typically in today’s NFL, and since the beginning of pro football for that matter, if you score 30 points you win more often than you lose… The Bucs being the exception because they were rebuilding a defense with a bunch of young guys in the secondary. The other teams were scoring more than 30 points. When the defense started to pull together the offense suffered huge injuries. Do not give me that everyone has injuries, of course they do. But how many teams are successful when the entire staring WR group is injured and there is no running game to lean on? The team is finally coming together and you guys are advocating starting the offense over. how about holding the defense accountable for losing more games than the QB, or maybe the kicker for losing a couple as well…

  68. Marine Buc Says:

    I would take either Bridgwater or Hill over Winston. Keep our defense but add a safety. Draft a new RT and RB and we are one hell of a competitor…

  69. TexBuc Says:

    McBuc well said!

  70. TexBuc Says:

    The longer the Bucs go without hold a press conference confirming what some “fans” want which is Winston gone the more desperate and depressed some “fans” get……LOL

  71. BigHog Says:

    Was Mr. 5,000 asked to be game manager …Hell to Naw Naw Naw..he was told to keep flinging it down field…that you is how we moved the ball as a team, most games we had no run game…how else were we supposed to move the ball, not “garbage yards” but essential yardage which lead to 7 wins!! Mr. 5,000 is tirelessly working his off season program as I speak!!! 2020 is about to be BUC TIME!!

  72. Bighog Says:

    ^^^”that as you know is how we moved the ball^^^

  73. ATrain Says:

    Carr has an arm

    I believe he would work well the BA

    Get Carr

  74. McBuc Says:

    If the Bucs has a game manager they more than likely would have lost at least the first ten games, and probably a total of 14, especially if we still had the injury issues. Game manager QBs need a running game and a kicker as much as a gunslinger. 33 TDS would not have happened. How could a dink and dunk game manager keep pace with teams scoring 35 points on the defense?

  75. McBuc Says:

    Yes. Let’s start over with a new QB in a system known to take a year to learn and is known for having many turnovers in that first year learning curve. Makes total sense. Oh, and if that guy throws some ints we can start again the following year as we waive good bye to BA. brilliant plan. All the silence is posturing for money.

  76. BigMacAttack Says:

    Best QB. Well Brad Johnson has a Super Bowl ring, so there’s that, Joe. 😂

  77. WestChap Says:

    Was rushing to comment… but Mr Reality said all there is to say. 🙂

    This is good for Bucs no matter if you want JW (cheaper) or someone else not signed by Indy. Now, if Gruden will just cut Carr and the same for Detroit with Stafford. When you have need/demand the more supply the better.

    Mr. TB12 sir, please come to TB. Please. They take you for granted up there…

  78. Defense Rules Says:

    McBuc … “How could a dink and dunk game manager keep pace with teams scoring 35 points on the defense?” That’s kind of a loaded question on 2 fronts McBuc. First, you need to define what you consider to be a ‘dink & dunk game manager’.

    Does Derek Carr qualify as that? Had a 70% completion rate, 21 TDs, over 4,000 passing yards & a Yards/Completion of 11.2 for 2019 … against 8 INTs (his 6-year career average BTW). Jameis in the eyes of many did much better than that … 60% completion rate, 33 TDs, over 5,000 passing yards & a Yards/Completion of 13.4 for 2019 … but against 30 INTs. Oh, care to guess who had the better WRs & TEs? (Hint: definitely favors the Bucs with ME13, Godwin, Perriman, OJ & Brate … as in BIG TIME).

    And this ‘scoring 35 points on the defense’ is what Webster calls an EXAGGERATION (I’m trying hard to be kind). Yes the Bucs defense was tagged with 449 points on the season (28.1 PPG). Take away the 7 Pick-6s when the defense wasn’t even on the field and that average reduces to 24.9 PPG on the season. Take away the other ‘gimme points’ as a result of Bucs’ offense turnovers that resulted in short field (over 50 points but we’ll just use that minimal number) and the average comes down to 21.8 for 2019. And personally I think it’s fair to tag them with that average … they had a rough first half of the season while they learned a whole new defense and while the youngest Secondary in the NFL was ‘coming up to speed’.

    I don’t mind ‘Excuses for Jameis’; we’ve certainly heard enough of them. But please try a little harder to be fair to the OTHER parts of the TEAM when you do that.

  79. Iamabuc Says:

    Keep Winston and his high power offense..’nuff said!

  80. Big O Says:

    We need that Bridge(water) to bring the offense and defense together

  81. Brandon Says:

    Anybody that says anything about Hill is an idiot and your opinion doesn’t matter. Dude has never started a game.

  82. TDTB Says:


  83. Losing hope Says:

    GREAT! come on in Teddy

  84. Cobraboy Says:

    Excellent post, DR.

    It was not just the ints that mattered. It was the pick-6’s and *where* the it’s happened, many resulting in short fields.

    The D had to defend many Winston mistakes with their backs to the goal line.

  85. WorstFans Says:

    Teddy Bridgwater/Mike Glennon will get us to to the super bowl for sure. Lol

  86. McBuc Says:

    Okay defense. Thanks for being kind, I did not see where I was being a dock but okay. You make great points, but I say ints happen because of no running game and a bad defense at times. I was not referring to Carr, I like him as a QB. I will add though, with so many less ints than Winston they finished the year 7-9. So I guess that means that the rest of the team does come into effect.

  87. McBuc Says:

    Defense. I have enjoyed your posts for years though. You always back your words up with numbers. In this case the numbers have the same end result though. Who knows how another WB will do in this offense. I say give JW another shot. He may surprise you.

  88. ToesOnTheLine!!! Says:

    Am I alone on the island on preferring Andy Dalton (and draft a QB high this year) over most of the other names being thrown out (Rivers, Bridgewater, etc.)? No denying he had a horrible 2019, but the dude has actually put up decent numbers over the years with a crappy O line and only 1 truly good WR. His deep ball accuracy actually seems pretty good to me from some of the times I’ve seen a televised Bengals game, which could be an interesting fit with the “QB whisperer”. Bonus points for still being a relatively young guy for the position.

  89. ArmandoG Says:

    I no longer wonder about how low the intellectual baseline for comments from the hate Jameis group. I need to find an electron microscope to search for it, anybody got one?

  90. unbelievable Says:

    Dewey Selmon Says:
    February 18th, 2020 at 2:54 pm

    Speaking of Bridgewater, he has been successful everywhere he has played. 22-12 starting record. And if you want proof go watch the highlights from last year against us. We got shredded.

    That was literally the only game he played last seasons where he threw more than 1 touchdown pass.

    I think you may have forgotten how incredibly awful our defense was in the beginning of the season….

  91. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    SC Bucs Fan Says
    “BB you guessed Brees to the Saints, Eli to retire and Brady to stay a Pat? Are you also proud because you said the sun would rise this morning? ”

    It’s easy to say that now, but I called it months ago, while EVERYONE ELSE said otherwise.