Teddy, Jameis, Peter And Bad Smells

February 18th, 2020

NFL uber-insider Peter King

Could famed NBC Sports insider Peter King, a man who had exclusive interviews with Bucco Bruce Arians and Jameis Winston last season, be more all over the place when it comes to the Buccaneers’ quarterback situation?

King can’t seem to get off the fence!

He was feeling Tom Brady to the Bucs a few weeks ago, and now he’s moved on to Teddy Bridgewater to Tampa, and that was before Drew Brees made his 2020 return to New Orleans official today.

King typed up his latest Bucs quarterback thoughts yesterday and they really were all over the place.

Teddy Bridgewater: Tampa Bay makes sense

I can hear it now: Bridgewater doesn’t have the deep arm Bruce Arians needs. I would dispute that. When Arians put Carson Palmer in the pilot’s chair in Arizona, his previous NFL yards per attempt in Cincinnati and Oakland was 7.2. Bridgewater’s career NFL yards per attempt: 7.2.

It’s dangerous, of course, to consider giving up on Jameis Winston, the number one pick in 2015. He’s a dynamic passer, well-liked by teammates and coaches. And Arians and offensive coordinator may think they can fix the seemingly fatal carelessness that ails Winston, who has thrown more picks than any quarterback since entering the league. But I noticed something with Arians this season. He defended almost every Winston miscue for the first three months of the season. In December, though, that changed. Tampa was 7-7 entering the last two games, both at home. In game 15, against Houston, Winston threw interceptions … and Tampa was down 10-0 after four minutes. The Bucs lost by three. Next week: Overtime against Atlanta. First play, Winston somehow didn’t see lurker linebacker Deion Jones on tight end Cameron Brate. Pick six. “It smells as bad as it could possible smell,” Arians said after the game. The Bucs had a clear path to a redemptive 9-7 season, but six interceptions in the last two weeks ruined that. … …

Blah, blah, blah, King went on to serve up more statistical analysis and say he wouldn’t be surprised if the Bucs make a run at Bridgewater or Ryan Tannehill.

If King really thinks it’s so “dangerous” to give up on 26-year-old Jameis, then why would the Bucs do it?

Joe’s starting to think that perhaps the flooded quarterback market will drive down salaries and maybe someone like Bridgewater would sign for just $20 million per year on a multi-year contract. But that’s not a lot of cash savings — and not much of a QB upgrade, if at all — to warrant the “dangerous” dumping of Jameis.

If Joe had to guess today, Joe would say Bucs officials completely are in Brady-then-Jameis mode.

84 Responses to “Teddy, Jameis, Peter And Bad Smells”

  1. Jonathan Limpchimpi Says:

    That’s my order of preference as well…just can’t picture Brady coming to Tampa. Single digit % likelihood at best.

  2. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    I miss the paragraph of Peter King descriptors.

  3. Swampbuc Says:

    Brady will be the Bucs QB right after Jennifer Aniston shows up at my front door wearing a case of beer and body lotion.

  4. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    what if we had drafted mariota and he had the same record and stats jameis has over the past 5 years….what would the debate be like then ?

  5. adam from ny Says:

    yes brady then jameis is what it most likely is…

    with 2 wild cards…

    if stafford somehow becomes available…

    or luck comes out of retirement…(luck before stafford)

    lastly maybe a scenario with carr and drafting a qb

  6. TJ Tillman Says:

    Use to love this site but I can’t wait until this Jamies thing is over. Lee are you related to Winston you have every excuse for Winston smh. Lee you love him but he doesn’t love you back. What is Winstons record ? He is a loser. Go ahead and bring up some stats. Stats don’t equal wins. Change your site too I love Winston not matter what. Smh

  7. MadMax Says:



  8. Robert Says:

    GET BRADY, trade ME for cap room and our offense will open up dramatically! i.e. not as predictable.

    why does everyone say Brady’s not coming. Everyone from the NE retires in FL!

  9. Robert Says:

    stafford is injury prone

  10. Alanbucsfan Says:

    If Bridgewater and Jameis competed in camp and pre season, Bridgewater would beat him out

  11. Etzel Says:

    Teddy is the only QB I would be okay taking over Jameis. However YPA and arm strength have almost no correlation. But we all know, Peter King doesn’t actually watch football (and he especially doesn’t watch the Bucs)

  12. miken Says:

    “oe’s starting to think that perhaps the flooded quarterback market will drive down salaries and maybe someone like Bridgewater would sign for just $20 million per year on a multi-year contract. But that’s not a lot of cash savings —”…. Does Joe really think someone outside of tampa is going to offer Jameis a 3 year deal that pay him more than 20 million per? If Jameis leaves tampa, teddy will have a better contract than #3. Unfortunately, Tampa will over pay for Jameis but teddy is much more wanted league wide.

  13. gotbbucs Says:

    Stafford’s record against teams with a winning record is something like 8-63, or some ridiculous number like that. He is literally the exact same QB as Winston, almost to a T.

  14. Thisisouryear!! Says:

    IMO if you take Brady, Rivers or keep Jameis, you have to draft a QB high.

    If you were to get Stafford, Carr, Dalton or Bridgewater they are young enough we can use the draft pick for a position of need. I like them in the above order. Add to the depth of both lines and add secondary. Go Bucs!!

  15. Defense Rules Says:

    HUH? Brady then Jameis? I can’t believe that anyone has bought into that ‘Brady to Tampa Bay’ scenario. And certainly not you Joe. There are soooo many reasons that won’t happen.

    There’s only ONE QB who MIGHT be available that I’d be interested in at this point replacing Jameis: Derek Carr. None of the rest of the names being bantered about are upgrades over Jameis. They ALL come with their own baggage … just like Jameis.

    Carr is a known and proven commodity. With the right TEAM surrounding him, the right OC, I could see Derek Carr developing into a Drew Brees type QB (if you look at Brees’ early years, there are a lot of similarities). Derek will be 29 shortly, so he’s got lots of years ahead of him. Only missed TWO games in 6 years on a very mediocre team (hmmm, sounds like the Bucs?). Only way we could get him is via a trade since he’s under contract for 3 more years (at an average of $21 mil per year).

    Will it happen? Probably not. JL negotiating with Chucky isn’t exactly a fair fight.

  16. Grt1 Says:

    The last pass Jameis threw was tipped in that loss to Atlanta. Why hasn’t anyone said anything about that?

  17. Jonathan Limpchimpi Says:

    Used Carr is the next Drew Brees, eh? Trade away the farm then!

  18. K2 Says:

    I like Carr

  19. westernbuc Says:

    Peter King is trash and doesn’t even like football

  20. 813bucboi Says:

    brady, teddy, carr, JW….

    dalton aint looking too bad….lol….he did get sanu paid….isnt that what folks talk about regarding JW….he got hump and brate paid…..lol….

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  21. LaMarcus Says:

    Brady??? Hahaha. Bucs fans can become delusional at times

    Why would Brady insert himself around ppl like us? We dont even have respect for our current qb

    Only qbs that are coming are the ones with no choice. Luckily maybe JW wants to come back

  22. miken Says:

    @lamarcus…Jameis doesn’t have much of a choice either if he wants to get paid so he will be back.

  23. BrianBucs Says:

    If the Bucs somehow landed Bridgewater it would be amazing and a huge step up.
    Winston will always be a turnover machine and will always cost his team games and more coaches their jobs

  24. 813bucboi Says:


    carr and teddy are 1a 1b(unless your talking about $$$)…..

    carr has played in the playoffs…so has teddy….

    carr battled injuries….so has teddy….

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  25. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Jameis Winston

  26. 813bucboi Says:

    Why would Brady insert himself around ppl like us?

    because of BA, BL, ME13, CG12, OJ, BRATE……

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  27. footballjunkie Says:


    And…Offense Rules.

  28. All over the place??? Says:

    Joe when you say all over the place…. Do you mean like opening rooting for a different team than the one you make a living writing about and also have a prominent column in a blog with the same name??

  29. Craig Says:

    It will come down to cash on the barrel head. Jameis will be back if he can realize what his true market value is.

    If his agent refuses to deal down with Jameis, he will walk, and there will be a play for another QB. If he is in the mid twenty mill. area, they will sign him.

    I think it is a mistake to sign him again. There are too many problem areas to fix, and, at times, one thing you work on with Jameis causes something else to go wrong.

    Last year his long pass percentage went up, but he forgot how to throw outlet passes. Add in the inability to read coverage, inability to check down his progression list, his holding the ball so long, and the hill gets too high to climb.

    Save the anguish and chase Teddy down

  30. Defense Rules Says:

    @footballjunkie … “#Bradyorbust And…Offense Rules.”

    Ya right. Bucs defense led us to a Super Bowl victory. Still waiting for this high-priced offense to even sniff the playoffs.

  31. Lunchbox Says:

    I’ve got an idea that might stop some of Jameis’s interceptions. First off, franchise him, but give him a two tiered incentive. For every game that he can stay at only one INT, he gets a $100k bonus (16 INTs, $1.6M for the year potentially). For every game he gets NO INTs, he gets a $250k bonus (0 INTs, $4M for the year potentially)

    Obviously he wouldn’t hit the mark every week, but EVERY WEEK he’ll try to. And in the grand scheme of things, wouldn’t you trade up to $4m for Jameis to cut down on his INTs and be the QB everyone hoped he’d be?

  32. Jean Lafitte Says:

    No mystery here. They will overpay Jameis on a four year contract.

    Jason Licht’s burner account has pretty much guaranteed that.

    For those who think they won the argument on Jameis, you already had everything in your favor for him to return anyway so it didn’t take rocket science to make such a bold prediction. The ones that win the argument are the ones who want to move on if the Bucs do decide to move on. They’re the ones who went out on a limb.

  33. Defense Rules Says:

    813bucboi … I like Bridgewater also, but I’d rather take another chance on Jameis than take a chance on Teddy. He and Carr are actually about the same size, and they were drafted in the same year (2014). Teddy has played in 44 games in his career (started 34) over those 6 years (missed all of 2016), while Derek has played in 94 games … and started all 94. That means that out of 96 games since they were drafted, Teddy has missed 52 games, while Derek has missed TWO.

    Lots to like about each one IMO, but Bridgewater’s past injury history concerns me. I like players who’ve shown durability, which Carr has. Jameis too for that matter. Guess that’s why I like guys like JPP & Suh & LVD so much. It’s the old Timex thingie … “They take a lickin and keep on tickin”.

  34. yup Says:

    Mr. 5,000 is putting up HOF numbers cant wait for him to cut down his INT total to 16 in 2020. Go Bucs. Maybe with a good defense in addition to Winston’s masterful passing the Bucs can actually get into the playoffs

  35. Buc1987 Says:

    What are you guys going to do when they sign Jameis for 2020?

    Melt down or still come on here every day and whine?

    Could be a little bit of both I suppose.

  36. TexBuc Says:


    Licht is not part of this equation it is between BA and the Glazers. Just my opinion but I believe Glazers like Winston.

  37. TexBuc Says:

    Glazer’s fired Tony Dungy because he would not open up his offense, Gruden for not developing a young QB and constantly signing old QB’s.

  38. FlBoy84 Says:

    JW’s last “I’m a baller” presser sure sounds a lot like the interview Joe commented on in an article ironically enough just over a year ago “https://www.joebucsfan.com/2019/02/jameis-says-he-told-himself-to-disregard-coaching/”. Believe Winston’s most recent comments, coupled with those previously, are the biggest red-flags out there that the likelihood of him suddenly becoming a more reserved, calculating version of 2019 aren’t very likely. Guys with that type of mindset don’t just change overnight.

  39. Tye Says:

    “It smells as bad as it could possible smell,” Arians said after the game.

    Death is one of the worst smells that exists..
    Maybe Arians is smelling JWs football career dying!

  40. Mister Negative Nancy Says:

    King never strikes me as brilliant. Yards per attempt seems a terrible metric for whether you can throw the long ball. Even yards per completion isn’t great.

  41. TexBuc Says:


    I believe Winston is IMMATURE and some do take longer than others.

  42. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Buc1987 says,

    What are you guys going to do when they sign Jameis for 2020?

    Deal with it.

    The question is if he continues to make mistakes what are you going to say?

    Give him MORE time. He needs one more year. He’s only 27 .on ..and ..on

  43. BA Redzone Says:

    Really starting to lean that Bucs only keep JW as absolute last option. Meaning Bucs explore and exhaust any QB option out there. Why I am leaning that direction?

    As former QB himself, Bruce is all about picking his guy and going all in. Bruce’s comments, should he end up having to keep JW, will create a divide. Those comments have to sting JW. Those are not endorsing in any way… should JW re-sign with Bucs, both parties will smile and pretend… but make no mistakes, there will be unspoken tension. Again, I don’t see JW in Buc uniform next year. At first, I thought comments were negotiating tactics….hmnnn. , no more..

  44. FB Says:

    Fortunately the Glazers aren’t Jerry Jones. They hired arians to do a job, and turn the team around. they WILL defer to his decision making. If he doesn’t think Jameis is the guy to WIN a SB in the next two years, he is gone, regardless of whether they like him or not. The caviat being, he was hired with a succession plan required. So they would either have to draft someone, or go after a guy with 5 or more years left in them, or both.

  45. Buc1987 Says:

    Jean…I want him gone too….I just think he’s coming back.

  46. Buc1987 Says:

    Just curious for those crazy assed posters that put long drawn out explanations every single day as to why he needs to be gone. How’s it gonna be with those guys?

  47. Buc1987 Says:

    AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    “what if we had drafted mariota”

    Something you’ve never gotten over…

  48. Elita Vita Says:

    Does Arians feel he can help reduce Rivers interceptions better than he can help Jameis with the same? Would Jameis be willing to sit on the bench for half a season and benefit from Rivers overall experience? Enquiring minds want to know?

  49. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I would not mind Ryan Tannehill at all. I like him.

    However, it won’t be anyone else but Jameis Winston who starts game one, barring injury.

    Brady is making a show of moving on…but it is just to test his value. The Patriots have no one else, so he’ll return there.

    The rest are just unsubstantiated theories during a newsless season.

  50. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Jameis will stay…and he will continue to make mistakes because no one is perfect. The bigger question is whether he will cut down on those mistakes.

  51. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    The team that buys into the Bridgewater hype will be the team with one of the first picks in 2021.

    Rivers might do okay for a year, but not here.

    Brady will return to the Patriots.

    Ryan Tannehill will go nowhere.

    Stafford’s contract makes him untradable this year.

    Winston is probably the best Quarterback who is realistically on the market…if he even hits the market.

  52. Jean Lafitte Says:

    The team that buys into the Bridgewater hype will be the team with one of the first picks in 2021

    C’mon Bonzai, anyone with a brain realizes that whatever team signs him are already a crappy team that is desperate for a QB. To rationally expect him to go in and turn around a crappy program in his first season is silly.
    But let’s say he does, that then would make you look silly.

  53. FlBoy84 Says:

    Interesting numbers:
    Drew Brees only attempted 1 more pass in 2011 than 2010, but threw for 856 more yards in 2011. He won the SB in 2010, however.

    Between 2011-2016, Brees averaged 656 attempts, 5,140 yds, 68.7% compl, 42 TD’s and 15 INT’s. And yet New Orleans only made the playoffs twice and finished with identical 7-9 records the other 4 years.

    Funny enough, in the 2 years prior to and preceding that 6-year stretch, he only averaged 549 attempts, 4,333 yds, 31 TD’s, 12 INT’s but had a higher 71.3% compl. The Saints made the playoffs in all four of those years and also won the SB.

  54. footballjunkie Says:


    You pocket-protector doosh…I was kidding. In gest. Making a reference to it being about everything OTHER than what you puke out around here calculator boy.


  55. Jonny Says:

    You know Peter King is not a serious NFL mind when you see using Yards per attempt stat as a means to justify Bridgewater in Arians’ scheme. Bridgewater is among the bottom in the league in air yards thrown. He was the same way 2 years back with Minnesota. He’s checkdown Charlie with a noodle arm.

  56. Craig Says:

    If Jameis is re-signed, I will mix a drink and settle down to watch the game. I will laugh my axe off when he steps in it again. Hopefully I will refrain from saying I told you so if he gets benched by the fourth game.

    If he actually fixes all of the problems, I will cheer for the team and Jameis. I have serious doubts that will happen, but truth is stranger than fishing.

    I don’t hate the guy, I hate him as our QB. He is not the future of the franchise, IMHO.

  57. Bird Says:


    Interesting take
    If they had drafted mariota , (since not many hawaii, oregon /buc fans) all these same Nole fans would be saying good riddance just like they did with mccoy.

    And some people dont claim to be homers on here

  58. Joe in Michigan Says:

    I think Brady will sign with the Raiders. Chucky Gruden will talk him into it.

  59. Jean Lafitte Says:


    That is exactly how I feel. I don’t hate him, I just don’t think he’s the answer.

  60. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Bird- do you really believe that?
    If it was Mariota throwing for 5k and setting records there would be way LESS people wanting him out, not more.
    Not only would his poster boy persona captivate many but he’s also not black. Which matters to far too many people. If you get defensive of that fact, maybe you’re one of them.

  61. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    I knew I shouldn’t have mentioned a particular shade that represents the absence of light.

  62. Brandon Says:

    Newsflash. Nobody with a brain outside of New England is pursuing a two year rental on a 43 year old fragile QB with a below average arm.

  63. Fb Says:

    What Craig said! Except if we do sign him, I hope we have a backup, even if it is Mariota, so that we can pull the plug by game 4 if he steps in it again

  64. Fb Says:

    And also that we don’t bid against ourselves and overpay him, when nobody else will give him a long term deal or given starters position. Which imho would be 15 million at most

  65. adam from ny Says:

    “It smells as bad as it could possible smell,” Arians said after the game.

    this meant he thinks jameis was doody in the final 2 games

    #DooDooBrown #LetMeSeeYouDooDooBrown


  66. D-Rome Says:

    I agree with you Bonzai. For as much as I think the Bucs should move on, if Jay-Miss isn’t the starter on week one I’ll be stunned.

  67. Defense Rules Says:

    @footballjunkie … “I was kidding. In gest.” Nice backtrack. Well, good try at least. Oh and BTW, nobody makes you read ANYTHING on JBF. So rather than juvenile attempts at insulting others, why don’t you try contributing something instead.

  68. BigHog Says:

    For those who think Mr.5,000 is just not the answer…as a fan that is your right to do so but ponder this …without developing a running game,which one of these guys can light it up like Mr. 5,000?…Ii’s what we had to do in 2019 but with the drafting of a Bully of a right tackle in round 1 and moving back into the lower part of the first round to find a true thumper of a running back, and developing a running game…2020 we ready…Mr. 5,000 is working his off-season program as I speak!!! IT’S ABOUT TO BE A NEW STYLE OF BUC BALL 2020

  69. Thisisouryear!!! Says:

    Big hog- something I don’t understand with the Jameis supporters. How can you think he has what it takes. How do you explain the multiple first pass of the game interceptions. It’s the same thing with the pass that ended the season. Are you an FSU fan? Is that where this loyalty comes from?

    He’s historically bad in the first half and he and futz combined for more yards and less ints in 2018. I really don’t understand where this loyalty comes from.

  70. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    TIOY- it’s called perspective. I’ve seen dozens of quarterbacks in a Bucs uniform and not many can make the throws that JW can make. We’ve had many many QBs that didn’t “have what it takes” and they didn’t have to throw for 30 int for us to know it.
    The real question is how do you not see the talent?
    Do you watch sportscenter every night like why don’t these guys throw picks on the highlights?
    He is far from perfect but he is also far from a bust. Do you just refuse to acknowledge what he is elite at? Or are you just uninformed on this matter? Because it had been discussed ad nauseam here at JBF with stats and data to back it up.

  71. Cobraboy Says:

    $20 vs. $30 means the D is closer yo staying together, and THAT is what is important for wins.

  72. Thisisouryear!!! Says:

    AAS- Respectfully, I see a guy in JW that has all the god given talent in the world. He has the arm, he makes plays with his feet. This is the first year I’ve seen him hit receivers in stride.

    I also see a guy that doesn’t have the mental game. He locks onto his receiver. He does t read defenses quickly enough and I think he has an anxiety disorder that causes him to be a mess at the beginning of the game. After 5 years if he hasn’t overcome these issues, I don’t see him ever overcoming them IMHO.

  73. Beeej Says:

    The only free agent possibility out there is Teddy. After THAT, mebbe trade for Carr

  74. BigHog Says:

    A.A.S. : that’s what I’m saying, he is with a real coach for the first time since entering the league, he deserves one more year to see if he can be whipped into shape! I want Mr. 5,000 back ! !

  75. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    TIOY- I agree there is obviously some kind of problem for him to throw so many picks and who knows if he will ever overcome it, but he can manage it.
    I don’t think he will ever be a single digit INT guy but IMO he if fully capable of 4500+ yards, 30 TD+, and 10-15 INT.
    That is basically what we need from him, do you think he could do that?

    Also, the anxiety is a thing I only started noticing in 2018. Before that year the guy had an elite pocket awareness that I really admired. He still escapes quite a bit because he has to but yeah I see him get the happy feet sometimes. Whatever, he’s not perfect but he threw for 5k yards in a new offense. I would be lying if I said I didn’t think he was due for a big year in 2020 if he stays.
    No way he throws 30 pick again. Right?

  76. Thisisouryear!!! Says:

    I guess there’s only one way to find out what he’ll do. I don’t necessarily feel that he gets happy feet when he’s settled down. He scrambles well. He even ran the ball much better, cut down on fumbles last year. He made me upset with the comment that he’s balling after his pick six. I understand he’s thinking about his next contract. I’ve gone back and forth on him this offseason. With his good and bad he’s a tough one to figure out.

    That being said to me he throws the ball up for grabs too much and has his receivers go after it. The better QBs in the league thrown near 70% completion ratio and he leads the league in turnovers over the last 5 years. So tough. I’m glad I’m not Jason Licht.

  77. FlBoy84 Says:

    Besides his “I’m ballin'” presser and last year’s “don’t listen to coaching” comments, the biggest issue with Winston is how scary accurate his scouting report coming into the draft is even after 5 full seasons in the NFL. The only weaknesses he’s shown improvement in from that report is his athleticism in extending plays. It’s over on NFL.com for those interested, but here’s a snippet:

    “Decision making not consistent with his football intelligence. Will throw into impossible windows rather than taking safe throw underneath. Elongated windup and release allows instinctive defenders to close on throws. Was too easily baited into dangerous throws. Struggled with intermediate passing game in 2014, completing 56.8 percent of his passes with FBS-leading 11 interceptions in that range. Still learning nuances of position and how to move and hold defenders with his eyes. Would sleepwalk through first half of many games. Inconsistent footwork and weight transfer caused balls to sail. Prone to emotional outbursts on field. Quality of decision-making drops off substantially when pocket becomes turbulent and he’s forced to leave it. Lacks athleticism to extend plays for very long outside of the pocket. Off-the-field character and ability to lead on NFL level are his primary obstacles, according to NFL evaluators.”

  78. TDTB Says:

    FLBoy84 for the win. Same guy 5 years later.

  79. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Can’t win with a dumb qb and ancient coach who doesn’t adjust to his talent

  80. Ocala Says:

    Or you can go with what people that actually work for the NFL think will happen:

    “Multiple people around the league expect the Bucs to place a franchise or transition tag on Winston — who would make between $24 million and $27 million in that case — or sign him to a short-term, modest deal well below the $30-million-per-year threshold reserved for top QBs.”

  81. Thisisouryear!!! Says:

    FL Boy- you knocked that one over the fence. In response to Jameis needling better coaching and getting it now, this staff has said that he had very good coaching under Koetter. People say he made Perriman look great. IMO,after Godwin and Evans went down he went back to Jameis ball which is throwing the ball up and letting the receiver go get it. He’s done that his entire career. Between that and Arians wanting his check down to be the running back (which Jameis doesn’t seem to like) I think he’ll always have a high number of interceptions if he throws as much as he did last year. I don’t see him ever being a franchise QB.

  82. TOM Says:

    Brady will resign with Pats. No to Bridgewater. Carr would be my first choice. Then maybe Dalton or Rivers.

  83. TOM Says:

    Brady will resign with Pats. No to Bridgewater. Carr would be my first choice. Then maybe Dalton or Rivers. I would like to see what RG can do.

  84. Erik Hesson - Fine Artist - City of St Pete Says: