Replacing JPP?
February 7th, 2020
LSU OLB/DE mocked to Bucs.
Todd McShay changed his underwear this week. So that means he has a new mock draft.
Joe is starting to learn to accept that folks have turned mock drafts into parlor games. It’s the football version of “Risk” now. Or “Axis and Allies.” Joe can choose to either jump on the train or have the train run over him.
And while Joe mocks the mockers like McShay, Joe is tipping his cap to McShay on this week’s underwear-changing Bucs mock selection. It’s pretty smart.
McShay looks at the Bucs’ top free agents (Shaq Barrett, Breshad Perriman, Jason Pierre-Paul, Ndamukong Suh and Jameis Winston), and figures one of the three defenders won’t be back. Maybe two.
So in McShay’s line of thinking, why not plan replacing a pass rusher in the draft? McShay tossed out the name K’Lavon Chaisson of LSU.
K’Lavon Chaisson, DE, LSU
… No matter how it shakes out, Tampa Bay will likely now need help getting after the QB off the edge, and a strong late-season push from Chaisson (4.5 sacks in his final four games) has him in play in this range. He’d bring a lot of speed to the front.
Joe likes this. A lot!
Now Joe would hate like hell to lose JPP but this Chaisson may just about be a perfect fit. The Bucs — so Bucs types say — want their front three guys to plug holes and eat up blocks to let the linebackers hunt.
As a result, Chaisson won’t be jammed up as much and he just might get a lot of single coverage because of Shaq getting double-teamed.
Of course Joe would want the Bucs to keep JPP. But if he goes elsewhere, Chaisson would be a helluva smart pickup.
Besides, LSU sure churns out NFL-ready players.
February 7th, 2020 at 5:29 am
I’m glad you caveated all this with that you’d “hate like hell to lose JPP”. So would I.
February 7th, 2020 at 6:31 am
^^^Agreed. I’d rather keep JPP but, Chaisson wouldn’t be a bad fit.
February 7th, 2020 at 7:00 am
No Joe, I don’t think this is the way, we build in the trenches of the offensive line
February 7th, 2020 at 7:49 am
This is stupid. Sign JPP so that #1 pick can be used on OL.
Sign Suh so #1 pick can be used on OL.
Sign Shaq so #1 pick can be used on OL.
And for God’s sake, Joe, stop pining over that malcontent DE/OLB from Jax. We don’t need the crappy attitude.
February 7th, 2020 at 7:50 am
(His not yours, Joe).
February 7th, 2020 at 8:03 am
Couldn’t disagree more with trying to replace JPP’s leadership (which I know you hate Joe) but JPP is that. Did you not notice once he returned, so did the defense as a whole? Resigning JPP to me is as important as Shaq. As for draft, a running back would be much better option, but I’m good with K’Lavon Chaisson as well. Can’t have too many good rushers, but you can’t replace JPP with a rookie. #GoBucs #FixTheBucsUnis
February 7th, 2020 at 8:03 am
Bring as many guys back as possible then draft the heck out of both lines, one safety, one WR (cause this class is loaded) and get a small school Darren Sproles type RB late and we are set. But it is going to be hard to do all of that if we waste a pick on a project QB, that’s why if Jameis is back that’s a waste of draft capital. Either pick a QB high and let him walk or bring him back and get a decent vet backup. Don’t play the in between game that is just a perfect waste of draft capital. For goodness sakes just make a decision either way and go with it all in.
I can just see it now, we franchise Jameis and then draft a QB in the second round that does nothing for us while the guy we could have drafted goes on to get like 10 sacks as a rookie. This is what the in between game will get you. Have some guts either way and go with it, be a real franchise.
February 7th, 2020 at 8:04 am
you have to resign jpp and shaq PERIOD.
February 7th, 2020 at 8:24 am
Hey NPUPPY, I agree with what you said except for the safety/rb part. Draft trenches this entire draft! Both sides of the line could use some “getting younger”.
NPUPPY, did we just become best friends?
February 7th, 2020 at 8:27 am
This would be a good draft pick. Good teams continually add depth and have players ready if starters leave for more money or retire.
February 7th, 2020 at 8:40 am
miken Says:
February 7th, 2020 at 8:04 am
you have to resign jpp and shaq PERIOD.
BINGO!!!!!….
i’ll add SUH and nassib to that mix!!!!
consistency is key!!!!!
GO BUCS!!!!!
February 7th, 2020 at 8:53 am
GEAUX TIGERS! GO BUCS!
February 7th, 2020 at 9:02 am
As I’ve mentioned multiple times, I don’t believe JPP wants to come back, so Licht may have no choice but to let him go.
However, I also feel the first pick MUST go on Right Tackle.
Besides, Carl Nassib is good enough. Eight starts. Eight sacks. Give him 16 starts and he might end up with 12+ sacks…just like JPP would.
Shaq is going to get big money. He’s a veteran and he needs to take over the leadership role.
February 7th, 2020 at 9:04 am
For every potential upgrade to our Defense results (for me) for a little less concern over our QB dilemma. I love JPP but any improvement to our Defense is encouraging.
February 7th, 2020 at 9:39 am
Devin White will have inside information on Chaisson. I’d like for us to get the best edge rusher available with our 1st pick, even if JPP is back.
February 7th, 2020 at 10:00 am
Keep all of the D-line for at least a year and draft a DE later in the draft. They can spend the year learning all of the tricks and be solid a year from now.
Too many other weak links to waste the first pick on the d=line
February 7th, 2020 at 10:00 am
Bucs have a number of ways they can go with our 1st draft pick: OT, DT, DE, S or QB (obviously). LOTS of great potential picks in that assortment, but it really depends mostly on WHO is still available when we pull the trigger.
For instance, This seems to be the year for many teams grabbing an OT or a QB in front of us. Several recent mock drafts have had DT Javon Kinlaw being drafted AFTER the Bucs pick in Round 1 (Auburn’s Derrick Brown never lasts to our #14). So ASSUMING that Kinlaw & Chaisson are BOTH available, but that the premier OTs are gone AND ASSUMING that we don’t pick a QB this year, who’d be better for the Bucs … Kinlaw or Chaisson?
My answer would be ‘It depends’ … on WHO we managed to re-sign in FA. If we couldn’t re-sign Suh, but did re-sign JPP, I’d take Kinlaw. If the reverse happened, I’d STILL take Kinlaw. Because of his size (6’6″ & 310 lbs), strength & quickness, he could play DE in a 3-4 defense, or just as easily move inside.
February 7th, 2020 at 10:05 am
NDog – congratulations on being able to post without being triggered. I’m truly happy for you. And largely agree with your post. It’s like the old saying ‘scared money never wins’.
In BA I Trust!
February 7th, 2020 at 10:14 am
The Bucs need to quit effin around & get Shaq, JPP, SUH & Nassib signed now. The hell with Winston & Godwin can wait. Remember defense should be priority #1.
February 7th, 2020 at 10:22 am
McShay or Daniel Jerimiah would be my choice to replace the jason gump as gm of the bucs, even without their fingers on the pulse of the bucs everyday he does a pretty good job of zeroing in on what the teams need.
February 7th, 2020 at 10:31 am
I think that would be a good pickup but at the same time I feel like if you bring JPP and Suh back you have to draft there replacement. I think if Shaq, SUH, and JPP are back and SUH is on a one year deal I would draft his replacement at 14 or if JPP is on a one year deal I still would draft his replacement. That would be good for those rookies to be mentored by JPP and SUH. I think with the cap room Tampa has for this year I expect to have those pending free agents resigned. I really hope they can do well in the draft. IMO you have to draft at 14 the best defensive player or highest graded offensive or defensive linemen. We have to build the trenches. This offseason they have to address RT, RB, FS, and WR. Get those for setup right and add depth and I think the BUCS will be in contention for a wildcard spot in 2020.
February 7th, 2020 at 10:39 am
jpp might not want to come back after screwing up bad with the accident and all…thus forcing him to settle on the offer they gave him that voided the 2020 season on his contract…he might be pissed about having to settle on all that, so to salvage some of his paycheck last year…
who knows…
if they would have left well enough alone he’d be under contract right now and flooring it on the expressways in miami…
but such is not the case…
they didn’t trust the neck, and understandably so…it’s the neck of a football player…
everyone thought he was done…but he’s back and better than ever…
remarkable!…
and now the bucs are jammed up (sorta)
February 7th, 2020 at 11:35 am
Always love @ Defense Rules take.
Just simply logical.
There is always the chance we pick up Scherff or a similar FA O Lineman and move Cappa to OT etc.
Won’t really know until FA settles itself.
I hate the crowd that says just take so and so at pick so and so like they are for sure gonna be available.
I’m for trading Brate but probably won’t happen because everyone knows we can release him.
I want us to address OT in FA so we can truly take BPA.
Why take the 4th choice @ O Line or 4th QB when you can have the BEST safety or possibly DE.
If Brown somehow makes it to 10 I’m for trading up even simply because he is legit.
February 7th, 2020 at 12:31 pm
Bring back JPP/Shaq/Suh
We are sitting very well at #14. There are 13 elite players at positions of need:
OT-
Andrew Thomas
Jedrick Wills
Tristan Wirfs
Josh Jones
Mekhi Becton
DT-
Derrick Brown
Javon Kinlaw
QB
Burrow
Herbert
Tua
Edge
Chase Young
AJ Espenesa
S/LB
Isiah Simmons
And even if all of these guys are gone, that would mean an elite CB (Jeffrey Okudah) would be there worst case.
And there are two elite WRs that likely get drafted high. I’m guessing we will have a great OT or DT available
February 7th, 2020 at 2:00 pm
I’ll never complain about us drafting a pass rusher unless we already have 5 or more pro bowl caliber ones’ on the roster.
February 7th, 2020 at 3:19 pm
Lord C … Great rundown of top picks. Agree wholeheartedly that there will be an excellent pick available at #14 who fills a position of NEED for us. Our biggest issue is that by the time the draft comes around, FA will be a distant memory … and we’ll have already made almost all of the decisions about filling those NEEDS (OK, I need to add the word HOPEFULLY after that).
I could see us going into the draft NEEDING a OT, RB, DT/DE let’s say. Surely we could USE another QB, another DT, another DE, another WR but not necessarily with our #14 pick (assuming that we re-sign all of our own UFAs between now & then).
My question back to you is … “Do you think we’d pull the #14 trigger on one of those (a OT, RB or DT/DE)? Also curious about your own draft preferences. My preference is to go OLine/DLine/RB (BPA when we pick). Not interested in any more rookie Secondary guys, so I’d use our next 4 picks on ‘developmental projects’ … WR, OLine, LB, and another RB (unless something better reared its’ head).
February 7th, 2020 at 6:51 pm
You only replace stud defensive linemen with draft picks when you have a QB that wins