More Shafting Of Bucs?

February 4th, 2020


When is the last time a guy who had over 19 sacks and led the NFL in sacks has not been a finalist for NFL Defensive Player of the Year? Or was not named All-Pro?

Joe doesn’t have an answer for that but assumes it’s been a while.

When is the last time a defensive player has been a finalist seven straight years for the Pro Football Hall of Fame but not gotten a bust in Canton? Never is the answer.

But that’s where Bucs sacks leader Shaq Barrett and former Bucs great John Lynch find themselves after a weekend where Tampa Bay got the cold shoulder from around the NFL.

Some NFL observers believe another man who has Bucs ties got the shaft this past weekend. That would be defensive coordinator Todd Bowles.

Greg Roman, Baltimore offensive coordinator, got the award over the weekend for assistant of the year. He was worthy of the honor. But a couple of stat nerds think Bowles not getting a vote is outrageous.

Yeah, Lavonte David not making a Pro Bowl (again). There’s another shaft job.

Man, it seems to be the “in” thing around the NFL to shat on anyone connected to the Bucs.

This is just one example of what the Lost Decade and alarm clock font numbers have done to a once proud franchise. How can you take a team seriously when the first thing that comes to mind discussing the Bucs reminds people of the worst time of the day: getting woken up.

39 Responses to “More Shafting Of Bucs?”

  1. DB55 Says:

    Should have cut VH3 in mini camp like we told you to.

  2. Sport Says:

    Now all we need is a QB with an average DVOA or better and isn’t seeking &30M+ per year.

    Another reason why we need to keep our entire defense intact.

    And another nod to our best offseason acquisition in 19 being the coaching staff.

    Go Bucs!!!

    In BA I Trust!

  3. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Sadly, it’s the negative spotlight on Winston (some unfair, some self inflicted) that turns peoples away. Seems no one can just walk away without the impression our franchise is totally dysfunctional. Until Winston gets it together his teammates will go under the radar. It’s difficult to showcase your star players when you aren’t consistent at winning. When you’re considered the greatest circus act on grass.

  4. DoooshLaRue Says:

    It’s the JayMiss effect Joe.

    Shaq’s accomplishments got lost in all that “excitement” that the Soiled Messiah was entertaining us with each and every Sunday.
    A small price to pay I think for having the most incredible QB to ever play for the Bucs.

    Sorry Shaq….. but he be ballin.

  5. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Losing begets losers…hard to talk about losers in a positive light. As the wins come, so does the recognition.
    As Buc fans, we know much our team much better than the national perceptions. Well at least some of us do.

    IMO, Bowles did a great job compared to where we were (not saying much as we were historically bad) but he only did half his job for half the season. I’ll elaborate, not to his fault, but this passing defense was so absolutely terrible that teams didn’t even need to run on us. The run defense was good but teams didn’t stick with it because they didn’t have to. They could get the booty whenever they wanted it. Especially in the beginning of the season when we couldn’t stop a drive at the end of the game to save our lives.
    I think this defense really turned the corner big time in the second half. Props to the players for staying on it, props to coach for finding his guys and coaching them up, and props to BA for cutting Hargreaves and sending the ultimate message through that locker room.

  6. LaMarcus Says:

    Hahahaha… Blame JW for.other ppl not winning awards. Lovely.

    If Shaq wasn’t a “one hit ” wonder and surrounded with Suh Vea JPP White LVD makes a damn good unit Barrett probably gets the award. Who was Shaq Barrett? Nobody knew him and done it long. Then Barrett got 10 sacks in 3 games and 9.5 in 13 or something like that

    As for Bowles finishing a so called “great defense ” run that secondary was the sorriest in NFL history worst than Mike smith. How was that even possible

  7. LaMarcus Says:

    This franchise has historically lost and have the worst record in all of sports. It always have and will be a laughing stock to others. So there is always never that reason to talk about them. And our marketing department seems very limited and only shoot videos of the same players

  8. Swampbuc Says:

    I got yelled at by an enraged shopper today at a supermarket. Seems I took the last six pack of a certain brand of pale ale.

    If Jameis hadn’t turned it over as much, the shopper would have been calm and happy.

    I also blame coronavirus deaths on Jameis.

  9. Swampbuc Says:

    PS — Swampbuc at his condo near a ski resort, hence the different IP address, Joes.

  10. DoooshLaRue Says:


    Might want to check your facts when stating that we have the worst record in sports.
    I think there are a couple of NBA teams that are worse.

    But then again…… you think JayMiss is a great QB.

  11. 941bucsfan Says:

    DVOA??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How about PPG ALLOWED. Defense could never stop anybody when they needed to. I.E. Last 2 minutes before Halftime and Last 2 mins of game. Just see the last game, and how matty ice drove ATL all the way down the field to tie the game.

  12. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Doosh we DO have the worst record of any sports team that plays today. Is that better? Keep living up to your name. Ya Doosh check your sheet, keep ballin.

  13. Defense Rules Says:

    @941bucsfan … “How about PPG ALLOWED. Defense could never stop anybody when they needed to.” I hope you’re not serious when you typed that 941, because that’s a very myopic view of how this defense performed last year. And it’s not true.

    Bucs defense got tagged with allowing 449 points last year (#29 in the league). But a full 50 points were the direct result of Winston’s 7 Pick-6 and 1 Safety, where the defense wasn’t even on the field. So they REALLY allowed 399 points.

    Of course, many of Jameis’ other INTs (23) resulted in short fields (16 actually) … our defense held on some, but gave up 6 TDs & 4 FGs on those 23, resulting in another 54 points that they had to eat. Just for fun, subtract those also & that leaves 345 points that they surrendered on plays NOT involving the ludicrous number of INTs by our offense. That would’ve moved us into the #14 spot, tied with the Chargers in POINTS ALLOWED. 
 That’s a Top-15 defense 941.

    One of the most telling stats IMO is Average Starting Field Position because that pretty well defines how ‘supportive’ the offense and special teams were to the defense during the season. The Bucs Average Starting Field Position ranking was #31 (starting on our own 31.0 yard line average) … result of our offense’s TOs
 & special teams faux pas. That tells me that only ONE NFL defense got screwed more by their own offense & S/Ts in 2019.

    Take a close look at their REAL stats (not JUST the ones promoted by the media), and most will come away impressed.

o #17 in Average Points Allowed per Drive (2.00) … most realistic ranking IMO

    o #15 in Total Yardage Allowed (5,503 yards)

    o #1 in Rushing Yardage Allowed (1,181 yards)

    o #1 in Rushing Yards Allowed Per Attempt (3.3 Y/A)
o #4 in Rushing Attempts Against (332 Rushing Attempts) … close to NFL lowest 

    o #7 in Rushing TDs Allowed (11 Rushing TDs)

    o #30 in Passing Yardage Allowed (4,322 yards)

    o #12 in Net Passing Yards Allowed Per Attempt (6.1 NY/A)

    o #32 in Passing Attempts Against (664 Passing Attempts) … highest in NFL

    o #25 in Passing TDs Allowed (30 Passing TDs)

    o #19 in 1st Downs Allowed (331)
    o #5 in 3rd down Conversion Percentage (34.4%)
    o #18 in 4th down Conversion Percentage (48.1%)
    o #6 in Red Zone Percentage when TDs Allowed (50.0%)

    o #5 in Takeaways (28 total)

    o #21 in INTs (12 total)

    o #3 in Fumbles Recovered (16 total)
o #9 in Percentage of Drives Ending in Takeaway (13.5%)

    o TDs scored from INTs: 2
o TDs scored from FRs: 3

    The one who SHOULD get ‘Coach of the Year’ IMO is Todd Bowles. What he & his assistant coaches have done with the young defense is nothing short of AMAZING. No JPP, no White, no Dean (3 current starters) for almost half the season, so he had little choice but to play their backups (to include VHIII). But once the rookies (White, SMB, Dean, Edwards) got some experience, this defense took off and did remarkably well.

    In short 941, this defense is a LOT better than you & many in the media have made it out to be, thanks to Todd Bowles & his staff. HOPEFULLY the Bucs’ hierarchy has the good sense to keep this defense together and build on what we accomplished in 2019.

  14. Mr. Reality Says:

    Reality is most of these accolades have a large component of being well-known as well as achievement. The Bucs results on Todd Bowles D are not very conspicuous because their record stunk, due to poor play by the D early in the year and devastatingly poor decisions and mistakes by Winston all year long. Even when the D showed up big, Winston killed the team. So yes, Bowles suffers as does Shaq and Lavonte. Were the Bucs 10-6 or better, and made the playoffs…we’d see a different look, and BA would have been Coach of the Year. But Winston destroyed that possibility. Now, it’s not all his fault: this town has no prominent media that is reknowned nationally. No Dallas Morning News, no New York Times, no Philidelphia Inquirer, no San Fran Chronicle. Nothing on JBF, as at least he does something. TBT…not a viable media outlet. Add to that years of losing has NO TV market nationally for the Bucs, no one knows or hears or sees…

    That is just plain reality.

  15. AlanBucsfan Says:

    Bucs were getting alot of National attention during the win streak.
    Then they dropped off the map after the last 2 games -and WHO got the attention then? You guessed it.
    WIN – and Bucs will get attention.

  16. Joe in Michigan Says:

    As great as Shaq Barrett was, it was his first year of doing so. If he has the same kind of year in 2020, he’ll win plenty of awards (especially if the Bucs make the playoffs).

  17. Bob in Valrico Says:

    DR, that is one fantastic deep dive into the Bucs defense. Nothing but the facts!

  18. Defense Rules Says:

    Bob … Really just an update of something I’d done earlier (through Game 15 actually). I value different opinions, but too often folks ‘generalize’ and miss the Big Picture when they do. Unfortunately those opinions oftentimes mislead others. Not just in football, but in life.

    The job that Todd Bowles & his coaching staff did was remarkable IMO. Bucs’ defense was a LOT better last year than what many gave them credit for. If I had to put a number on it, I’d say they performed more like a #15 defense. That’s the primary reason why I believe it’s critical to keep ALL of this group together. We have lots of UFAs right now, but they performed very well as a TEAM, and we’d be foolish to start all over again.

  19. Ndog Says:

    Guys I as hopeful as anyone that our defense actually did turn it around last but we must look at how we did against who before full blown excitement sets in.

    Vs 49ers great running game limited passing game with no Emmanuel Sanders and a QB during his first game off of torn ACL

    At Car Cam was straight trash and didn’t play again

    Giants rookie QB making his first start ever

    at Rams big game QB up and down play

    at Saints great offensive system backup QB

    Car decent offensive system backup QB
    (Good to average)

    at Titans running team limited at passing game

    at Seahawks passing team decent running team with top 5 QB

    Cardinals passing team with a rookie QB/limited targets

    Saints great offensive system top 5 QB
    (Bad got dominated from the first snap)

    at Falcons Dirk Koetter enough said

    at Jags Nick Foles no receiving weapons

    Colts limited passing game especially with no TY Hilton who they basically never win without

    at Lions David Blough….

    Houston Good QB but they like to run the ball and Will Fuller went out early

    Atl Dirk Koetter again, but did allow two long 4th quarter drives to tie the game but also scored a TD

    So when you look at who we played well against defensively and who we got ripped by are you still as excited and confident?

    I’m not, I’m certainly hopeful but confident is a looooong way away when I know what REALLY happened instead of just looking at the numbers.

    Just some food for thought.

  20. Lunchbox Says:

    In my opinion, this really boils down to one main thing, and it’s not Jameis (at least not completely).

    Every time we go on national TV with a chance to show everybody that we’ve turned a corner, that THESE Bucs are different, are better than the Bucs they’ve joked about for years, EVERY TIME we have a chance to look better in front of the nation, we sh1t the bed.

    If we can win in front of the national crowds, we’ll START to see some respect, but not until then.

  21. Defense Rules Says:

    Ndog … Now focus on the 2nd half of the season, when their rookies had gotten at least some experience. And especially focus on the last 6 games, where the Bucs went 4-2 but with a little ‘luck’ could’ve run the table. Even by your own admission the Bucs’ defense would’ve earned a ‘Good’ ranking in those last 6 games.

    It wasn’t a ‘fluke’. IF we make the right FA signings AND draft well, this defense has the POTENTIAL to be a Top-15 defense, and maybe even a Top-10 defense for 2020. Add to that an offense that cuts down on giveaways yet still produces points and this TEAM has the POTENTIAL to make the playoffs.

    Just some food for thought.

  22. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Win and you become relevant

  23. Ndog Says:

    Here are the last 8, who on here that is a good overall offense did we play well against?

    Houston maybe?

    Cardinals passing team with a rookie QB/limited targets

    Saints great offensive system top 5 QB
    (Bad got dominated from the first snap)

    at Falcons Dirk Koetter enough said

    at Jags Nick Foles no receiving weapons

    Colts limited passing game especially with no TY Hilton who they basically never win without

    at Lions David Blough….

    Houston Good QB but they like to run the ball and Will Fuller went out early

    Atl Dirk Koetter again, but did allow two long 4th quarter drives to tie the game but also scored a TD

  24. geno711 Says:

    New Orleans – You are correct not a great defensive game. New Orleans actually has the best offensive line coach in the NFL and they did a pretty good job controlling the game.

    It really was the only game the 2nd half of the year that the Buc’s did not dominate the line of scrimmage.

    Wish we would have had a chance that game though. When you said we were dominated from 1st snap of the game it was not what I remember.

    We were down 6 to nothing when Jameis throws an interception on the Buc’s 16 yard line.

    6 points is not insurmountable lead. But when Jameis throws 3 more interceptions and fumbles 1 time, it is more on him than our defense.

    It is like what Shaq Barrett, LaVonte David, and Chris Godwin all said this past week. You can’t trust Jameis.

    Sign the defensive guys. They work in this system. Have them continue to dominate the line of scrimmage with 4 man rush and no blitzing the 2nd half of the year.

    Sign or draft a 4th cornerback. That position guys get hurt and miss games a lot. You need a 4th.

  25. 813bucboi Says:

    i dont think it was a snub…..shaq played great….but we had a losing season…

    regarding the defense, a blind man could see it improved as the season went on…..once JPP returned and got back into football shape, defense took off…..

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  26. Pewter power Says:

    The results have to show in the win column to get consideration. It’s the effect of interceptions and pick 6’s, Bucs should have had a winning season even losing its top two targets

  27. rrsrq Says:

    Heck, that opening commercial with the little kid running to Miami with the game ball, he couldn’t stop by the Pirate Ship… #disrespectful

  28. NPRSageBoy. Says:

    When you’ve left the league in a$$ hat personnel moves, horrendus QB play and blooper reel submissions for over a decade, what do you expect?

    Peace, out

  29. T REX Says:

    ndog is obviously Winston’s mom or something. The guy is a first rate tool. It is a shame we have loser like him/her in this town. True fans just want to win and owe their allegiance to the team not some QB schizo POS.

  30. Cgmaster27 Says:

    You know jameis winston syndrom is alive and well when the tools and trolls blame him for a guy not winning a defensive award. Id say its kind of pathetic but so are the people making these claims. Jameis living in your heads rent free.

  31. Bosch Says:

    The Glazers are not respected in NFL circles. Of course much of that comes from their lack of success

  32. stpetebucsfan Says:


    Keep preachin’ bro and one day they MAY get it.

    IMO you can check the latest poll on should JW stay or go…those who want to keep him loathe your stats defending our D because it doesn’t go along with one of their major excuses for “Blameless”.

    This is the same reaction Joe and I dislike about blaming the OL…

    It’s like pointing out that ROJO had an excellent final two games from the RB position…Perriman two 100+ yards game…yet the vaunted offense scored 3 points in the final two halves of play…ZERO in the game against the Falcons.

    NO TD’s so let’s blame it on the rookie kicker…JW has the ball in his hands to win in OT…we saw what Russell Wilson did to us in that same situation.

    To be honest…JW might blow up next year…ONE of the reasons folks here have turned against him is because of all his supporterz are NON STOP ALIBI IKES!!

    So JW doesn’t get his team across the goal line for 4 quarters in the final two halves of the season when the D was playing well and it’s whose fault…well it couldn’t be JW…oh yeah let’s blame the rookie kicker.

  33. stpetebucsfan Says:

    How many HC jobs are coming open. I haven’t kept up.

    One thing is certain…the NFL has acknowledged that the “Rooney rule” has not worked and the HC position is still lacking in AA’s in league where 70% of the players are black and we even now accept black QB’s…coaching not so much..15%.

    And so Bowles will probably get a second chance at being an HC if his D plays like the second half of last year.

    BL is another story. Hard to judge because JW has made coaches look bad before…two jobs down and how many to go?

  34. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    DB55 Says
    “Should have cut VH3 in mini camp…”

    I don’t agree. While VHIII was eventually released regardless, there is value in making his replacement earn his stripes. Yes, it probably cost us a couple wins, but it might have either way. I’m a big believer in development when you have the right staff. And we do for the first time since the Dungy staff.

    I don’t think for a moment that the Glazers would fire BA after two years. But…BA might decide to retire if he has two losing seasons.

  35. Brandon Says:

    DB55 Says:
    February 4th, 2020 at 12:15 am
    Should have cut VH3 in mini camp like we told you t

    Long story short, SMB was hurt throughout camp, Dean wasn’t close to being ready, Smith had a four game suspension. They didn’t have anybody else.

  36. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    stpetebucsfan Says
    “One thing is certain…the NFL has acknowledged that the “Rooney rule” has not worked and the HC position is still lacking in AA’s in league where 70% of the players are black and we even now accept black QB’s…coaching not so much..15%.”

    I think there are reasons we don’t have as many black Head Coaches:

    • The passing of the Old Guard (coaches). Owners seek out experience first. As the Old Guard fades due to time, more opportunities will arise

    • Not enough black offensive coordinators. It’s an offensive league now, and many head coaches come from the coordinator staff of teams. How many black offensive coordinators do you know of who have proven track records?

    • The Rooney Rule isn’t even needed anymore. Teams hire who they feel is the best option to win…wrong or right. The rule never worked as intended. You cannot force a team to hire a black head coach, and teams were only going through the motions

  37. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    stpetebucsfan, the offensive line has really been horrible. Just look at the sack numbers.

    And before someone blames Jameis for holding the ball too long, the offensive play calling required it.

  38. unbelievable Says:

    I’ve been telling you guys this for years:

    The NFL simply HATES the Bucs.


  39. Sorryjackchuckiesback Says:

    See Joe…. Overall yards doesn’t matter that much!!! 5,000 and he still sucks!!!