Intrigue At OLB
February 5th, 2020
Backup plan
Joe never dreamed of writing the following (it comes right behind the Bucs have a guy who led the NFL in sacks): The Bucs may have the best foursome at linebacker in the NFL.
Think about it: There is Shaq Barrett (19.5) sacks, Jason Pierre-Paul (8.5 sacks in 10 games), Lavonte David and Devin White.
Name a better foursome?
But will those guys be back this year? We all know Shaq is a free agent and so too is JPP. But the following had Joe wondering:
Across the state in Jacksonville where the London Jaguars sit, they technically have the rights to free agent Pro Bowl defensive end Yannick Ngakoue, who is a total freak of nature. The Jags claim they will bring back Ngakoue. But Ngakoue’s Twitter feed suggests something else.
Over at Bleacher Report, Maurice Moton believes the Jags just may tag-and-trade Ngakoue. Moton guesses he would cost a team a No. 1 pick in 2021.
Man, if you draft a 43 defensive end/34 outside linebacker in the first round, you hope he turns out to be as good as Ngakoue.
Now of course this would all depend on if the Bucs can keep JPP. We have no idea where the Bucs stand with JPP. The Bucs have gone dark and have barricaded themselves behind locked doors and security guards. Wonder what they are hiding?
So let’s say JPP doesn’t want to play ball with Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht? The Bucs, if you believe Moton, could turn around and grab 24-year-old Ngakoue from the Jags for a first-round pick.
Man, that would be a steal!
February 5th, 2020 at 1:32 am
Potential Trade
• TE Cameron Brate (TB) & M.J Stewart (TB)
• For OLB Leonard Floyd (CHI) || -$7,724,102
Leonard Floyd (age 27 years)
• Height: 6’ 6″
• Weight: 240 lbs
• 40 yard dash time: 4.6 seconds
After the trade, extended him (Meaning: Reduce his base) to team friendly 3yr deal w/ tons of incentives. Adding yet another young situationally passrusher to the mix.
February 5th, 2020 at 1:34 am
*situational
February 5th, 2020 at 1:41 am
Oh god no. Id rather have Derrick Brown or Javon Kinlaw or an OT at 14. They will have a 4 year cheap contract with a 5th year option.
Yannick is gonna get Shaq money or more. Find a way to get Shaq and JPP back. They played great together last year and that’s with JPP not at 100%.
JPP also gives this team a much needed mentality and holds his teammates accountable, which fits perfect for BA.
February 5th, 2020 at 1:45 am
LUV I like that deal, I would do that all day. I think Brate has a real good chance to be traded this offseason, this would be a good one.
February 5th, 2020 at 1:54 am
@Alaskan
Joe did say 2021 1st round pick, although that could have been a mistake.
If not, we could still get Kinlaw or my choice M Becton or whatever quality OT that falls to us.
Of course if D Brown fell to #14 I would be shocked, then pissed if we didn’t take him.
February 5th, 2020 at 1:56 am
If Jalen Ramsey fetched 2 first round draft picks, why would an elite pass rusher go for 1?
The jags will keep him. If they trade him, he’d want to go to a winner.
And I wouldn’t call the Bucs getting him a steal either. He will command minimum 18-19M and it depends on the draft position being given up. If we stink it up and have a top 3 pick, this trade will not be a steal at all. I’d rather have a rook on the cheap for 3-4 years.
February 5th, 2020 at 2:11 am
Alaskan
Indeed.
What’s thoughts on drafting Strong-Side Defensive End A.J. Epenesa, if he’s still on the board @14?
February 5th, 2020 at 3:05 am
We will be going QB at 14, and this time hopefully get it right !
Need a vet to start and then hand over the reigns (Not JW)
Go Bucs
February 5th, 2020 at 3:21 am
To me, it’s never a good idea to trade away your higher picks for big time money players. You’ll get into cap hell real quick! Licht has drafted well enough where he needs to start signing his players to second yr contracts. To give up one or two firsts to sign a 19 million dollar player would be irresponsible of him. Sign shaq and hopefully JPP and bring in (draft) some young talent with cost friendly contracts.
I would be totally happy if this draft was nothing but dudes in the trenches. Time to get younger and cheaper in there.
February 5th, 2020 at 4:46 am
LUV
There’s literally no reason fo Jacksonville to make that trade or for him to sign a team friendly deal with someone he was traded to.
Joe, he’s gonna be more expensive than JPP, give me the leader of the locker room and keep our first round pick. We need it
February 5th, 2020 at 4:49 am
Thankfully we are out of cap hell. Carolina, NO, and ATL are in cap he’ll. The Bucs have a great opportunity at their doorstep.
February 5th, 2020 at 5:22 am
We need to sign JPP, Winston, SB, and Suh if it’s not broke don’t fix it . 1st OT, 2nd RB
February 5th, 2020 at 5:50 am
LOL on the London Jaguars take by the Joes. It has been reported that Kahn now has 2 home games lined up there back to back next season so I guess the next step is to add an away game or 2 to that and voila, London has a pseudo home team and the NFL only has to bone 2 teams out of home games (lucky the Bucs do not play the Jags next season or you can bet the Bucs would be one of those teams) to make that happen.
So the Jags will play two of the following at Wembley: Houston Texans, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Cleveland, Detroit or Miami though Kahn has chosen to keep the Bears and Steeler home games at the Gator Bowl as those two teams will likely fill the stadium with 30 to 40K fans like they do when they play in Tampa…..
February 5th, 2020 at 7:06 am
If this is one of those cats that wants to “reset the market”, I don’t want any part of trading for him. He’s good but not great and I’m guessing a reasonable amount for him would be 16-18 million per year? Maybe if we are unable to sign Shaq, I’d consider it, but I can’t see paying him and Shaq 18 per year.
It would suck to lose JPP but at some point we have got to trust the coaching staff with developing young pass rushers. Bowles did one hell of a job with Shaq, so he has my trust already. At least for now…😁
February 5th, 2020 at 7:12 am
I Love fantasy football/pee wee league all star guy why the hell would Chicago even consider a trade like that! Bring in a vet who? Draft a took at 14 who? This is not Madden in the words of the Big Dawg “Guber”
February 5th, 2020 at 7:31 am
Gotta agree with Eric a bit. There’s no way Chicago would make that proposed trade, taking on an aging TE with a 6 million salary with a bad hip and bad 2019 tape, and busy Stewart, in exchange for a young underdeveloped pass rusher.
Plus Floyd’s agent would never let his client sign only a 3 year deal, and one with a lot of incentives, at his position and youth.
As far as Ngakoue goes, he will cost way more than JPP, and while his age is appealing, doubt that Jax would take a 2021 first for him, when losing him this year will leave a gaping defensive hole for them. No to trading 2020 first rounder.
February 5th, 2020 at 8:10 am
wouldnt mind ngakoue at all…..
but JPPs leadership was the driving force in changing this defense around….
GO BUCS!!!!!
February 5th, 2020 at 8:34 am
Why don’t we draft and develop our own !!
February 5th, 2020 at 8:40 am
I’d love to have him, but not sure you can pay both OLB a total of $40 million.
February 5th, 2020 at 8:46 am
Not going to happen.
Although it is very possible JPP won’t be back.
February 5th, 2020 at 8:57 am
Not sure you could get a half-dozen used footballs for M.J. Stewart.
February 5th, 2020 at 9:10 am
you won’t get very far trading premium draft picks for guys with huge salaries. not a steal.
February 5th, 2020 at 9:20 am
This.
For the first time in forever, Bucs coaching staff seems to be able to develop guys.
Chris Godwin (raise your hand if you honestly expected his output).
Breshad Perriman.
Shaq.
Jamel Dean.
SMB.
And, one could argue Donovan Smith may have had his best season.
February 5th, 2020 at 9:56 am
joe
you forgot cappa….
imo, he was our best o-lineman….definitely the most consistent….
GO BUCS!!!!!
February 5th, 2020 at 12:00 pm
This will start getting interesting again on the 25th of this month.
First day for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.
Then the plot starts to thicken. Will the Bucs designate a tag? Will JW threaten to hold out. Will they negotiate a multi year deal with the Bucs having lots of leverage if they need to buy out.
Or will everybody remain quiet and wait until the March 10th deadline. Since we’re talking a ‘franchise” QB here in terms of investment…time…and $$$$ it’s pretty certain that the Glazers will have some serious input…then BA & TL.
February 5th, 2020 at 12:19 pm
That’s called double jeopardy, Joe. Why do so few people understand the ramifications of forking over draft picks and then signing a guy for top free agent price?
Option 1- re-sign JPP for $12 million over three
Option 2-
February 5th, 2020 at 12:21 pm
That’s called double jeopardy, Joe. Why do so few people understand the ramifications of forking over draft picks and then signing a guy for top free agent price?
Option 1- re-sign JPP for $12 million over three
use #1 pick for OL or DT help
Option 2- trade #1 pick for OLB
sign OLB for $12 million or more over three
Option 1 is always a better deal… always! We got screwed with the Darrelle Revis deal, the Bears got screwed in the Khalil Mack trade… you just can’t send valuable draft capital away AND pay the guy you’re getting top of the line free agent money… one or the other, not both.
February 5th, 2020 at 1:39 pm
being a bucs fan in Jacksonville, his production has gone down each of the past 3 years and he is undersized and does not play the run well.
February 6th, 2020 at 5:46 pm
Would not be apposed to a sign&trade scenario w/ JAX for the young pass rusher. Not at all…
Moving Bucs 2021 1st rd pick is an EASY give away for a player like Ngakoue…Even w/ the capitol investment being in the 5yrs-$85M range (per Sportstrac) above and beyond the 1st Rd Picks value.
You know your getting a young proven NFL commodity vs rolling dice on ~50-50 1st rd success rate.